Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1161 ecto, Number 1161 Wednesday, 29 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: An Early One Re: female voice-overs New York Happynings Re: Tori on Letterman TONIGHT!! voice-overs again... Lush review Re: High-pitched sounds Re: tori on letterman Re: muzACK OVERDUE PLUG FOR LOREENA MCKENNITT MAILING LIST feminine beauty and society Sheryl Crow tickets for Chicago show... Milla lyrics Was this ever posted? mirmama ======================================================================== Subject: Re: An Early One Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 12:36:27 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >> Vickie seems to be the 11th :-) > >11th?? Hey! :) Is that list in order? Does that make me number 3? Eep. >Nostalgia time! Here's Ecto's very first post: Cool. This seems to get reposted every year at about this time. ;-) >Vickie suggested ecto, but a bit late i'm afraid, it's >already been called "ectoplasm" but at least that's pretty >close! So our address is "ectoplasm@athos.rutgers.edu" Wasn't it only a little while (5 days?) before the name change to ecto? >myself, Dave Steiner, Joseph Dembski, Jeff Burka, David N. Blank, art, >Mitch Pravatiner, woj, Jeff Abbott, Albert Philipsen, Laura Clifford, >Vickie, Jorn Barger, and hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (feel free to send me >your name, if you want :) I'm surprised mjm isn't in this list; he was one of the early r.m.g evangelizers. Hey, Mike, when did ya join? Seems kinda funny that jess is asking for kiri's name...we all got pretty familiar with the hargie address! (anybody know what Court and Kiri are up to now?) >(whew, I'd be worried about J people if Jeff Burka were gone!) Don't worry, Vickie, I'm not going anywhere. The J's are safe with me. Jeff ======================================================================== Subject: Re: female voice-overs Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 12:24:13 -0400 From: lcliffor@bbn.com >>>Think back on every movie preview you've ever seen. Most of them >>>probably had narrators. Now, how many had *women* narrators? >Well, I can recall a few women narrators, but generally they use >that same, stupid, generic, official, you-have-just-won-a-years- >supply-of-catfood male voice. For the upcoming Indian feminist >romp (?) called something like Bashi on the Beach, there is a >female voice on the narration. Either I am embracing the >stereotypes, or it was just bad, but the voice sounds like an >excited high school girl, and left me wondering if the movie (which >looked all right), would really be worth seeing. > >Neal Hmmm, Joanne Woodward for 'Age of Innocence'. Winona Ryder for "The House of the Spirits'. I can't quite remember if "Gas Food Lodging" had a voice-over - I think it did by the younger sister played by Faruza Balk. Laura ======================================================================== From: Brad_Baker@novell.com (Brad Baker) Subject: New York Happynings Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 10:07:39 -0700 (PDT) I will be going to New York for the first time in August. Any Happy'nings there in the last two weeks of August? Bako ======================================================================== Date: 29 Jun 94 11:02:27 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Re: Tori on Letterman TONIGHT!! |Okay, this is what I meant by "late-breaking updates"...I have just |found out that Tori Amos will be on "Late Show With David Letterman" |TONIGHT, 11:35 p.m. EST, CBS. Sue, sue, sue... you missed the story last week, and sent this one out at the 11th hour. It just goes to show that the true fan (tm) must watch all late-night shows all the time and disregard your list. :-) I am one of the very fortunate ones who serendipitously was watching Conan *just* as Story played, and was watching Letterman last night to see Tori say "ummmmmmm" on TV!!!! Very funny choice of song. We love you sue! Thanks for the updates. -mjm ======================================================================== Subject: voice-overs again... Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:01:57 -0400 From: lcliffor@bbn.com Oops, missed the 'trailer' aspect of that. Whoever started that thread is right - I must admit I'm drawing a blank... Laura ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 02:30:31 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Lush review I'm so busy, I'm soooo busy! I'm sorry to all of you I've been ignoring... I'll be back on board soon, I promise. Here's the only thing I can post for the time being, because it was already written for Beat Magazine anyway. :-) Lush Split (4AD/Shock) It has been widely reported that Lush were unhappy with Cocteau Twin Robin Guthrie's work on their debut "proper" album, "Spooky", a couple of years ago, and that was demonstrated in dramatic fashion when they toured here last year; songs which had been gentle strummy pop tunes on the album turned into fierce, high-volume guitar attacks on stage, a rush of anger that was both cathartic and very, very loud. Though it seemed at the time that the next Lush album was destined to mirror the savage guitar attack of the live shows, the resulting album is anything but that. This time around Lush have chosen Mike Hedges to handle production, a perfect choice if ever these was one. Hedges, too often stereotyped as a producer of gothic bands, is well versed in extracting melody from noisy pop music; his work on this album is the polar opposite of Robin Guthrie's cluttered production on "Spooky". Hedges' fondness for orchestration also shows through again, with four out of the twelve tracks here being graced with perfect, subtle string arrangements, including opening track "Light From A Dead Star", a gentle, harmony-laden soundscape that is finished all too soon, only to be followed by something better. That something is "Kiss Chase", possibly the most perfect thing Lush have recorded, a logical successor to their previous high point "For Love" that, like the 1992 single, begs to be let out on its own to enrapture unsuspecting radio listeners. That's two out of two for Miki Berenyi, who has only written four of the songs on this album but makes each one count. >From there, the last place this album is supposed to go is grunge, so there it goes; "Blackout" is like a duel between The Breeders and 60s psychedelia, while current single "Hypocrite" is hard-edged power-pop, hard to resist and equally hard to forget. "Lovelife" puts things firmly back in glistening guitar mode, casually throwing out melodic perfection as if it was the easiest thing in the world. "Desire Lines" is one of two long, brooding songs on the album; this one recalls Clan Of Xymox until the string-washed midsection of the song carries it to a devastating emotional explosion at its centre; this one should be an immense experience live. Seeming to enjoy their juxtaposition of moods, the short "The Invisible Man" squeezes three different moods into one two minute song; "Undertow" could be early Curve with better melodies. The eight-minute "Never-Never" is a nocturnal lament that, incredibly, seems too short. The appropriately named and positioned "Lit Up" returns to melodic po with another set of crystalline melodies carelessly thrown in. "Starlust" offers a final nod to noisepop before the film-soundtrack closer, "When I Die", finishes proceedings with a suitably nostalgic, Morricone-inspired melody. Something's obviously clicked with Lush, who've come up with an unexpected surprise while no-one was looking. "Split" eclipses its predecessor and lives up to its creators' name - it's a complete delight of an album that proves once and for all that Lush are indeed the really talented bastards we always suspected they were. (9.5/10) ANTHONY HORAN -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: High-pitched sounds Date: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 11:13:47 -0700 (PDT) Philip writes: > Well I'm one male who most certainly can hear said noises... > > I can walk past a room empty of people, but full of computers and > monitors, and if there's a single monitor left switched on it drives > me nuts (the noise is especially bad if the monitor is on, but not > being used, for some reason, but I easily hear it whether it's in use > or not) and I can generally head straight to the offending device to > turn it off... Well I guess I'm another male human being who doesn't like the noise teevee sets make - that irritating whistle as those electrons bash themselves against the glass. Though it's becoming less problematic as I get older, sadly. Sigh. There goes the upper range of my hearing... Still, that's one rather nice thing about the monitors used with Macintoshes and workstations and newer PCs - they have a much higher frequency of screen refresh than standard clunky old 60 Hz (or 50 Hz in Europe) monitors and teevee sets and so the noise they make is so high I can't hear it. Presumably my Macintosh would irritate a bat. "Where are... my computer monitors and bats?" - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 14:07:47 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: tori on letterman >DATE: Wed, 29 Jun 1994 00:41:08 -0400 (EDT) >FROM: Suspended In Duct Tape >If anyone wants to venture a guess as to why she performed "Precious Things" >and not something from UtP, feel free. I think she didn't know what she was >going to play until she sat down at the piano (no band interference! Yay!), >but then again, she did a damn good job of chopping 2 minutes off of the song, >and was quite meticulous about slurring the word "cum", so maybe it was >premeditated? > Yes, I noticed all of those points, especially in contrast to her show here Monday night. I am sure she knew she ws planning to play Precious Things, in particular because of the shorter length and the . Perhaps she chose the song because she could play without the band and without the weird piano effects. Since Cornflake Girl is played mostly from tape, the band would have played along. I was *truly* impressed the band didn't join in-I have seen them "help" out people in need like Itzaak Perlman! *ecch* Dennis Parslow You know what I like about hockey? Troy, NY 12180 I'm on breakaway with the greatest player p00421@psilink.com of all time. You know what I hate? Darryl Strawberry is not a dog. He's not passing to me. A dog is loyal and chases after balls Denis Leary Tom Lasorda ======================================================================== From: Mklprc@aol.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 14:22:30 EDT Subject: Re: muzACK Quoting Suspended In Duct Tape : Steve moaned: >>Today I had to make a couple of phone calls to outfits that put >>you on hold before they finally talk to you. So I spent a fair >>amount of time listening to muzak. I got some amusement out of >>hearing what seemed to be a Muzak version of Prince's "I Would >>Die 4 U" (just guessing at the Princely spelling here). The >>thought that kept running through my head was "do these people >>who perform this stuff KNOW what they're doing?". > Unless the person who told me this was totally taking me for a ride, > as I understand it most Muzak emanates from Musak, Inc. in Seattle, > which produces the liquid tofutti heard on hold and in elevators and > supermarkets across the globe. Apparently many Seattle musicians who > have now made it big are ashamed to admit that they worked for Musak, > Inc. to pay the rent before they made it big, either as > administrative assistant-types or actual musicians. The image of > wossname from Soundgarden mellowing out to the soft hits version of > "Like A Virgin" is almost too frightening to handle. Call it biting satire or a crime against the future, but Seattle keyboardist Sara DeBell released a CD called "Grunge Lite" last year. Highlight is the tackiest version ever conceived of "Smells Like Teen Spirit." Other tracks suffering the DeBell treatment are "Even Flow," "Wired God," "Swallow My Pride" and a bunch of others. The subtitle/header of the record states "A whole big butt-load of easy listening favorites." The inside photo is a shot from above of a bunch of sheep clustered tightly together, some of which are wearing Pendletons. Printed on the CD itself is an image of a cash register with "Thank you!" below it. Other photos are of grungy models striking romantic poses like you'll see in 2009 TV commercials for "Those Fabulous Grunge Years! Now Collected for YOU on DigiCard! Relive Those Glorious Days When Life Was Good! Send Only N$2,992.994 NOW..." etc. You want this album, but you won't play it very often! %-) mp ======================================================================== From: dcwalter@tomservo.edaal.ingr.com (Christian Walters) Subject: OVERDUE PLUG FOR LOREENA MCKENNITT MAILING LIST Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 14:22:36 CDT Hi! I've been a little bit lax about plugging the Loreena McKennitt mailing list lately. Been out of town a bunch, and work piled up. You know how it goes. :) So now I get back and the talk of a newsgroup for Loreena is all hot 'n' heavy 'n' borderline hostile. Please calm down :) Anyway, for those of you who have just been made aware of the mailing list. "The Old Ways", here's the info. To subscribe or any other admin-type things, send mail to: old-ways-request@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com To send a message to everyone, it's: old-ways@tomservo.b23b.ingr.com Please specify if you want the digest or the bounce option (you'll get the bounce option by default, but you can always change or have both). The volume of traffic is moderate to light. Loreena has recently wrapped up a tour of Europe and the States. We've gotten reports of scattered appearances at folk festivals and what-not for the next few weeks. Last I heard, she is still planning a more extensive tour beginning late in the summer. No dates yet, but we have many people on the list who talk regularly with Quinlan Road, Loreena's company, and we should get them as soon as they roll off the presses. Join on up! We're a uniformly friendly bunch :) Bye! -- Christian Walters * A man doesn't automatically get my respect. He dcwalter@ingr.com * has to get down in the dirt and beg for it. Intergraph Corp * - Jack Handy, "Deep Thoughts" ======================================================================== Date: 29 Jun 94 13:11:50 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: feminine beauty and society |I don't think that the situation quite reverses itself, because society |seems more intent on creating a form of physical _feminine_ beauty, rather |than male attractiveness. [rest of excellent post by kathy deleted] I have 2 points to make on this issue, then I will try to shut up. 1) I have a friend who contends, no *insists*, that Beauty, whatever that may be, is the number one determining factor men use in choosing a mate. Period. She is certain of this, and as I go through life, I become more and more convinced. As much as I would love to say otherwise (and I'm being fully honest with myself here so it could turn ugly :0), the more alluring a performer's appearance, the more interesting her music or art or personality is to me. I'm sure I would like Kate's music even if she looked different, or if I never saw her face, but I *do* admit that what made me buy The Whole Story (my first Kate) was a combination of hearing 2 or 3 of her songs on the radio and the *amazing* visage on TWS poster that hit me in the face every time I walked into a record store for months. Somehow, that a woman can be both physically beautiful, *and* capable of producing beautiful music or art or whatever, is a combination that is inescapably intriguing and alluring for me. This may be the most unPC thing I've ever uttered, but a beautiful woman is entrancing to me... men, on the other hand, have absolutely *no* such effect on me... so I can love Todd Rundgren as much as I love Peter Gabriel. 2) There was a fantastic PBS show on the other night about exactly this! Femininity in our society. I forget the name of the show, and I only caught the end of it, but there was a great quote along the lines of everything we condemn in society is personified as a feminine characteristic. This may be extreme, but I think, in america at least, very close to the truth. The ugly truth. The *cool* thing is that this show will be rebroadcast this afternoon in Chicago (channel 11, 2pm, I believe) and my VCR is set. I'll try to give more details when I've seen it. I believe none other than Rebecca Jenkins, of ecto fame, is the narrator. -honestmjm ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 14:55:29 CDT From: peterf@pion.uchicago.edu (Peter Freeman) Subject: Sheryl Crow tickets for Chicago show... First of all, let this lurker thank you all for giving him lots of reasons to spend money that he really shouldn't be spending; everything I've bought on the list's(*) recommendation has been good so far... If you are nowhere near Chicago, you need read no further... But now, the reason I write: two of us were planning upon going to the Sheryl Crow concert on June 25th. One of us (namely me) did not look in the reader and did not know it had been switched to Park West on July 3rd. But at least we got street parking and a good dinner at Addis Abeba :-) We won't be in town July 3rd. If anyone would like these tickets, at the $15 pre-Ticketmaster real face value, send e-mail. We're leaving Saturday morning, but I'll figure out some way to get them to any interested party by then... Thanks, Peter (*) that is, the collective consciousness of all who post ======================================================================== Date: 29 Jun 94 14:28:57 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Milla lyrics |>I would like to call your attention to one song, in particular, |>which is probably just about my favorite on the album, due to |>its directness and metaphor and wedding of poignant lyric to |>perfect musical and melodic accompaniment: Clock. | |It's one of my favorites too, for the first 3 minutes. But I think that a |full minute of the vocalized riff at the end is just *too much*. Only my |opinion, of course. Yet I think that the song could easily be 45 seconds |or so shorter without losing anything. Omygawd, I *totally* disagree, Jeff. Just the other night I was playing this song in the car and remarked to Vickie how she took an otherwise catchy tune, and turned it into something brilliant by rephrasing the melody with a new harmonic twist at the end. I think that minute at the end is what distinguishes the song! Fantastic. Vickie agreed, saying there was no filler on this CD. yes yes yes -- hope she (milla) visits chicago soon. |>exit visas. Could the song, in general be about the plight of the |>Jewish people? Is she Jewish? | |"Clock" made me wonder if she was Jewish as well, particularly based on the |"...take my life, my song, my breed" and the "Fires are burning / my people |are yearning" lines. But it should be remembered that Hitler betrayed his |treaty with the USSR and killed an awful lot of Soviets, apparently because |they were there and he had nothing better to do with his time and/or his |army. :-/ I've been waiting to see if she says anything in any interviews Yup, certainly true... and maybe she has some gypsy blood or who knows... there were many oppressed groups in Eur. in WWII and prior (and post) so the Jewish thing is just a guess. I haven't seen much press at all re: milla. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 29 Jun 94 14:29:36 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Was this ever posted? Sender: postmaster@hardees.rutgers.edu Received: from hardees.rutgers.edu by arl-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.4/5.940406sam) id NAA11256; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:08:17 -0400 Received: from ns1.rutgers.edu by hardees.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA25829; Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:08:13 EDT Date: Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:08:13 EDT From: Postmaster@hardees.rutgers.edu (Mail Delivery Subsystem) Subject: Returned mail: Can't create output Message-Id: <9406291708.AA25829@hardees.rutgers.edu> To: ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 "|IFS=' '; exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #jessica"... Can't create output 550 "|IFS=' '; exec /usr/local/bin/procmail #jessica"... Can't create output ----- Unsent message follows ----- Received: from ns1.rutgers.edu by hardees.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA25825; Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:08:13 EDT Received: from dub-img-1.compuserve.com by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA12746; Wed, 29 Jun 94 13:08:06 EDT Received: from localhost by dub-img-1.compuserve.com (8.6.4/5.940406sam) id NAA09344; Wed, 29 Jun 1994 13:08:05 -0400 Date: 29 Jun 94 11:02:27 EDT From: Mike Mendelson To: S Trowbridge Cc: Subject: Re: Tori on Letterman TONIGHT!! Message-Id: <940629150226_555063.0_DHL68-2@CompuServe.COM> |Okay, this is what I meant by "late-breaking updates"...I have just |found out that Tori Amos will be on "Late Show With David Letterman" |TONIGHT, 11:35 p.m. EST, CBS. Sue, sue, sue... you missed the story last week, and sent this one out at the 11th hour. It just goes to show that the true fan (tm) must watch all late-night shows all the time and disregard your list. :-) I am one of the very fortunate ones who serendipitously was watching Conan *just* as Story played, and was watching Letterman last night to see Tori say "ummmmmmm" on TV!!!! Very funny choice of song. We love you sue! Thanks for the updates. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 29 Jun 94 13:30:49 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: mirmama Did I say that Mirmama is an extraordinary piece of work? Someone from England (sorry, was it Geoff Parks?) was nice enough to snag one of these for me, and I'd only given it a cursory listen until now. I would highly recommend it... Eddi Reader has some magic moments on here and this ain't disney either. While I'm here, I think Flying Dutchman (TA) is as Kate Bushy a song as Tori has written. It reminds me of The Empty Bullring, in content and lyrical approach. Some of Tori's B-sides that I am just discovering now are purre brilliant songs. I mean, just *really* inspired songwriting. Upside Down. Humpty Dumpty (no idea what it means, but it's great!). Flying Dutchman. Sister Janet. Honey. These are all at least as good as anything on the albums. Maybe better. Any ideas why she chose Precious Things for Letterman? Half way thru the song I realized the "you can make me cum/Jesus" line was coming up and thought I knew. But she didn't say cum, she said "ummm". I played this back 12 times trying to figure out if it was censored, but I'm pretty sure now she censored herself. -mjm ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)