Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1159 ecto, Number 1159 Wednesday, 29 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* RE: Music/BEAUTY Re: and you know what you're doing so don't even SILK Re: Laurie's alter voice Wrong Century explained Re: Laurie's alter voice RE: Music/BEAUTY Happy's vocals Re: Happy's vocals wrong century again. Re: AXcess An Early One Re: #ecto (It had to happen sometime) One of those days Tunnel Mental Re: Milla, Act One, Scene Three female voice-overs Re: Happy Day! Tori on Letterman TONIGHT!!! My son is getting into music bigtime! Musical progeny lyric request test ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 05:05:44 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: RE: Music/BEAUTY Onica : > Well so far in my travels on line I have encountered much interest > in: Tori (!!!),Happy (here, only), Sarah, Milla, Kate (tho not much AT > ALL:(), Liz, Laurie, Also tidbits of other artists, but... Try newsgroup rec.music.gaffa or love-hounds mailing list (they are the same thing) for more on Kate! (or have you? heh) Kate is talked about a lot here too. > Anyone else out there adore Danielle Dax??? Me, me, me! I believe there are many here who do. I think the latest news was 3 earlier Dax albums being released on CD. Cool. Alex in Tucson, where it's been 115F (46C)! (not all-time record though) /-\ |_ |= >< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 09:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Emily Breed Subject: Re: and you know what you're doing so don't even On Mon, 27 Jun 1994, Suspended In Duct Tape wrote: > Mitch aliased: > > >From: It's a name that a flame never has been connected with > > For shame, Mr. Pravatiner! "It's a name WITH WHICH a flame has never been > connected"!!! After all the grammatical deconstruction that's been going > on in these pages lately, you shouldn't be making those mistakes... ;> Now, now, now, meth, "that is the sort of arrant pedantry up with which I will not put." :-) Dave, Angelos, & I saw the Nields opening for Chuck Brodsky last Thursday, and I wanted to thank whoever it was that recommended them. They were terrific! Had to buy a cd, had to get it signed, had to leave it in the cd player at work most of the next day... :-) -- Emily ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 09:49:10 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: SILK Vickie wanted more info on what's on Sheila Chandra's Silk, a compilation on Shanachie. There is a nice career retrospective inside, but for some reason they don't actually tell you what albums the songs came from. I believe they are in chronological order. The times are the time left in the song when I tracked through, since times aren't included either. Out On My Own 4:19 Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram 6:22 Lament of McCrimmon/Song of the Banshee 6:38 Village Girl 4:13 Quiet 2 4:11 All You Want is More 4:14 Storm Trance 3:29 Lament 6:22 Strange Minaret 4:04 Mecca 4:29 neal ======================================================================== From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: Laurie's alter voice Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 11:05:17 -0700 (PDT) Aaron writes: > Sarah inscribed: > > > I really like it. It doesn't bother me at all. She said that > > when she was in Brasil, some people were asking why she uses > > it. The reason was a power thing...people unconsciously (or not) > > tend to listen to deeper voices. Laurie said, "You guess why." > > Like you mentioned, people are supposed to pay more attention to > deeper voices, which is where the gag about "broadcast quality voices" > comes from. I remember hearing an interview with Laurie Anderson years ago in which she talked about the reasons why she experimented with putting her voice through a harmonizer. As I recall (actually I have it on tape somewhere but I'm not sure where) she explained that she was working with the idea of male voices representing authority figures. ("What we see here are magnified images of human sperm...") She can speak in her altered quasi-male voice and speak with a certain gravity that she can't with a woman's voice, and she found this all very interesting. As do I. I rather like her harmonized voice actually - it sounds like a strange twisted being whose voice is wading through treacle. (or molasses for you Americans. ;) I think of the those silent movie stars (sorry; no names come to mind - this may in fact be apocryphal) whose careers came to a crashing halt when talkies came out and their speaking voices turned out to be thin and squeaky. > Think back on every movie preview you've ever seen. Most of them > probably had narrators. Now, how many had *women* narrators? Yes, those aggressive deep male voices on movie trailers are so annoying. Particularly since they all sound like the same guy, and since the stuff he's saying is so superfluous and formulaic anyway. ("An epic tale of love and passion..." "A land without law where only the strong can survive..." or whatever) Douglas Adams likened the movie trailer voice to chainsaws in his fourth Hitch-hikers book, as I recall. I'm trying to think of movie trailers with female voice-overs that stand out, but of course I can't. Perhaps it's because I'm usually late for movies and miss most of the trailers anyway. Certainly I think of that TV show Quantum Leap, which I think had a woman doing the voice-over prior to the tacky theme tune, and that struck me as unusual. At least I think it did - I don't think I've ever watched an entire episode of that show... ob Happy: Do you think there's a connection between the voice Happy uses in her songs - esp. the really high one and the really deep one - and the message she's conveying or the parts she's playing? - Neil -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 20:20:39 MET DST From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Wrong Century explained Meredith says: >Albert noted: > >>Me too. The male vocals in this song make perfect sense. In the >>chorus, the past and present incarnation are singing together. She >>used to be a man ("not only am I woman") with long black hair (a >>native American, perhaps), but something happened to make him >>reincarnate into a female, in the wrong century. > >I always thought the narrator, a Native American male remained male when he >got transported into the wrong century, but because of his long black hair >(and presumably Native American jewelry) got mistaken for a woman by the first >person to see him. They why does he say "not only am I woman"? He must have been terribly confused, otherwise he could have just peeked inside his trousers. >The weirded out vocals always signified the confusion of the moment to me -- >this poor guy has just been ripped out of his world and dropped unceremoniously >into the wrong century, his head is spinning and he can't figure things out. >Elrod's weird vocal percussion underscores the confusion the guy is feeling. >Makes perfect sense to me... I always thought the weirded out vocals signified the confusion present in the world the person is transported to ("where everybody moves too fast... I don't think I can understand *this*", followed by the weird noises). The person him/herself is not confused, just shocked and appalled, but "still [he/she makes] a home in this wrong century". Albert ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Laurie's alter voice Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 14:26:33 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Neil writes: >ob Happy: Do you think there's a connection between the voice Happy >uses in her songs - esp. the really high one and the really deep one - >and the message she's conveying or the parts she's playing? Well, the song that's leaping to mind right now is "Baby Don't Go" (which many of you will remember as One Of My Favorite Songs, though I think that the original cassette version sounds better than the one on CD). In that one, the voices are opposite. The beautiful high voice is the one telling her to be strong and go out and face the world ("Show what you are / be strong / be true / time for you to be who you are"). It's the deep, almost masculine voice begging, "Baby don't go / Baby don't go away / Baby don't leave / I need you to stay." So here we've got a reversal of the traditional gender roles, where the "male" is weak and begging for support. On a not really related note, I was wondering if we ever decided what the BV, which many thought sounded like a foreign language, on "The Flight" was saying. My latest guess is, "Free the monster." Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 12:57:48 -0600 (MDT) From: Damon Harper Subject: RE: Music/BEAUTY On Tue, 28 Jun 1994, Alex Gibbs wrote: > > Anyone else out there adore Danielle Dax??? > > Me, me, me! I believe there are many here who do. I think the latest > news was 3 earlier Dax albums being released on CD. Cool. All right... DaniellEvangelising time please. I've heard danielle dax's name tossed about here for quite a while, and now that i've heard (and enjoyed) most of the other "major" artists around here, I want someone to convince me to go out and find some of dax's albums. so, convince away!! :) (I know this is a bit unspecific, but...) > Alex in Tucson, where it's been 115F (46C)! (not all-time record though) Whoof! * Kalaleq melts ;) > /-\ |_ |= >< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu > |"\ ("\| (o) (\/) /^\ |_/ (dig them nifty ascii graphix! :) *HUGS* 'n' stuff, Damon -- ]*[ -- "Days go by endlessly, endlessly pulling you into the future." - Laurie Anderson, "White Lily" /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ ( Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca X nomad@kazak.nmsu.edu X nomad@helix.net ) \_____________________________/ \______________________/ \_________________/ ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 12:10:39 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Happy's vocals Hi, Jeff writes: >On a not really related note, I was wondering if we ever decided what the >BV, which many thought sounded like a foreign language, on "The Flight" was >saying. My latest guess is, "Free the monster." I thought I had posted about this. The word from Happy in a letter where she answered a couple of questions, is that she is singing 'Vita mors est' latin for 'Life is death'. > though I think that the original cassette version sounds better than >the one on CD Err, what do you mean? Did the mastering change something? Do my ears have parasites? :-) Angelos ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Happy's vocals Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 15:21:40 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Angelos writes: >I thought I had posted about this. The word from Happy in a letter where she >answered a couple of questions, is that she is singing 'Vita mors est' >latin for 'Life is death'. Maybe you did. My brain is mostly mush these days. Thanks. I wrote, about "Baby Don't Go" >> though I think that the original cassette version sounds better than >>the one on CD >Err, what do you mean? Did the mastering change something? Do my ears have >parasites? :-) On my original cassette there's really good separation on the lead vocal. You know how it jumps around? "Wake (and arise) de(fi)ant (one) time (time) for (for) you (you to) be who you are..." Well, the non-parens stuff sounds like it's double tracked, one on each side of your head, and the stuff in parens is right in the center of the sound stage. So if you listen on good headphones, you get this really astouding effect. I've never thought the CD version sounded as good. Jeff (who is somehow not surprised to see that he has no trouble separating the parts of the vocal when writing it out...) ======================================================================== From: snpf@lucid.com (Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson) Subject: wrong century again. Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:31:19 -0700 (PDT) I don't understand why it is a Native American male. (I am being kindof lazy and not reading the lyrics; but I'm curious what the reasons for y'all are.) -senaympf ======================================================================== From: snpf@lucid.com (Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson) Subject: Re: AXcess Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 13:54:26 -0700 (PDT) > > Anyone else hear of Crash Worship? > > > Yes- Crash worship very odd band from San Diego. Once gave me & a friend > their backstage passes so we could get into a show.Not theirs, unfortunetaly. > I haven't seen them live, but I've friends who love it. Naked dancing, > weird substances...not for the easily disturbed. I've listened to their > CD's and found them good only for a night of laughing gas. Hope to see > them live someday...I'll try anything twice (*wink wink*nudge nudge*) Well, I was there, and there weren't any nakid people. Lots of half nakid people, though. It was nice. Almost moshing, but gentler. The strangest substances were fruit and wine. Their music is much drumming. I think it is definitely a live band thing. -seanympf ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 17:36:28 EDT From: torok@nynexst.com (David Torok) Subject: An Early One Here's an early-evening ramble: I just looked back in the old archives to see when I joined ecto, and also what 'number' I was. How many readers are there now? I originally heard Happy's music at the 1991 KaTemas party in Boston hosted by Greg Bossart. I joined ecto (actually, it seems in retrospect that Jessica *added* me without me requesting it, based on my interest at the KaTemas bash!) 30 July 1991, making me the 39th person to join! Vickie seems to be the 11th :-) I had occasion recently to meet up with Jessica when I was in Silicon Valley a few weeks ago. She is a *wonderful* person and I'm glad to have known her for nearly three years! And all that hard work on ecto! Thanks again, Jessica, and I wish you great success in your current & future endeavors. I'm unfortunately going to miss Happy's Woodstock (and Woodstock-area) performances since I'll be in Burlington Vermont for the annual IJA (International Jugglers Association) week-long convention. It's 9-13 August, and if you're anywhere near Burlington you should definitely check it out! Especially that Saturday afternoon which is a sort of public 'games' day outdoors amongst the public in some park. The rest of the time we'll be on UVM's campus. To make up for missing Happy, I'll be seeing Sarah three times in early July, twice for free! (Central Park Summerstage, Red Bank [New Jersey], and Penn's Landing in Philadelphia). On another note, my sister sent me (for my birthday) the two The Story discs. She's now working in LA for The Story's management company, trying to make it as an agent or manager in the music biz. Unfortunately, in that business you have to start as a receptionist, secretary, or mailroom-person, so she's semi-bored and her skillset is definitely not being utilized! Lastly (veering entirely away from any music-related rambling), is anyone else on ecto a roller-coaster freak? I've just returned from an 8-day coaster-riding bash in California, and will be going to a weekend-long event in August (taking place at the Coney Island Cyclone, and then at Great Escape at Lake George NY). wheeee! cheers, -=$>Dave<$=- ======================================================================== From: Cloudbust@aol.com Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 18:26:27 EDT Subject: Re: #ecto (It had to happen sometime) Greetings all! Vickie, Thank you for taking the time to explain this situation. It is sad that some people seem to exist just to cause grief for others. Nevertheless, we can strive to overcome such nonsense. America Online does not yet offer access to IRC, but I hope that they will at some point in the future. They are making wonderful progress with the Internet Gateway. If that ever comes to be, I will certainly stop by! Thanx again, Bob. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 17:09:49 CDT From: Subject: One of those days In the space of only a few hours, I've creamed one incoming file, found out that I did the same to another yesterday, have had to cope with a keyboard where any of the keys stick, and found a good new channel on IRC. What more could anyone want? :-) Meredith tarred and feathered me: >Mitch aliased: > >>From: It's a name that a flame never has been connected with > >For shame, Mr. Pravatiner! "It's a name WITH WHICH a flame has never been >connected"!!! After all the grammatical deconstruction that's been going >on in these pages lately, you shouldn't be making those mistakes... ;> Let me take this opportunity to shift the ultimate blame to George M. Cohan, who once wrote a lyric "It's a name that a shame/Never has been connected with/Harrigan, that's me." (Thanks just the same to Emily for going to bat for me :-). ) Rava commits a small error of fact: >> Sens, this person we've been raving about, had an annoying habit of >> sending a message to the entire channel that consisted of this: >> >> Sens says "hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" > > For those unfamiliar with this the command is: >/msg #ecto hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Actually, to get this result one would say "/me says hmmmmmmmmmmmm." He commits a more significant error of fact a short time later: > However, why it is annying is because /msging to a channel is normally >for when you aren't on the channel but want to make a comment. Or, in cases [...] > In this case, Sens was on the channel and also /msg'ing the channel. >Very disctracting since it causes a different message format to pop up. For Issuing a /msg to one of one's own channels can be for perfectly benign purp- oses as well. On this system, for instance, it's the only way to send a comment out without either establishing a /query (which only works for only one channel at a time) or putting periods between words. Off to try to sleep off the collected experiences of this day :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 16:12:18 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: Tunnel Mental This is not much of an ecto question, but it's my only mailing group, so all questions go here :) I recently trecked to LA to see Mark Burgess & the Sons of God. He was the lead singer of the Chameleons, a band some seem infatuated with, although I'm not one of them. My houseguest of the time was (Hi ian! He's a new lurker, maybe.) so we went up to see them. The show was what I expected having heard a few Chameleons albums, but the opening band seemed pretty cool. They were called TUnnel Mental, and I don't know a thing about them. They sounded not-American, perhaps British. The lead singer was a heavy set black and white man, accompanied by a silver woman on backing and occasional lead vocals. Kind of punk/ranting stuff, reminding me vaguely of New Model Army, with some heavier beats and keyboards thrown in. I thought they were really cool, and would love to know something about them. Anyone out there ever heard of these guys? Neal ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 16:22:37 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Milla, Act One, Scene Three The recent Milla talk reminded me of seeing some Milla pix when I went to see Sarah in LA. Actually, Jeff Hanson found them in this magazine while I was busy buying the THis Mortal Coil box, and poor Jeff seems to be mysteriously ecto-less for the last few days. Anyway, I couldn't recall the magazine, but he say ..... >>>> Magazine with Milla--BIKINI (she appeared without a bikini) She appeared wearing very little (as usual?), and actually looked really horrible. Not only much to thin, but every effort seem to have been made to twist and disguise her natural beauty. They were some of the worst proffesional photographs of anyone I have ever seen. (But Jane really does look great in Mondo!) And on a perhaps somehow related subject(?), in disagreement with what has been stated previously, there are people who find the seriously obese attractive. I don't think there is any body type that doesn't have it's fans. I would agree that my limited experience has shown me that women are generally much harsher judges of women's body types than men are. At least, my previous girlfriends would knock the appearances of woman who seemed perfectly attractive to me, for whatever that's worth. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 94 16:38:56 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: female voice-overs >>Think back on every movie preview you've ever seen. Most of them >>probably had narrators. Now, how many had *women* narrators? Well, I can recall a few women narrators, but generally they use that same, stupid, generic, official, you-have-just-won-a-years- supply-of-catfood male voice. For the upcoming Indian feminist romp (?) called something like Bashi on the Beach, there is a female voice on the narration. Either I am embracing the stereotypes, or it was just bad, but the voice sounds like an excited high school girl, and left me wondering if the movie (which looked all right), would really be worth seeing. Neal ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Happy Day! Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 19:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Vickie reminds us: > Happy's never done an actual tour, but she has played various dates. > The "biggest" so far was in Philadelphia in 1992. She sold out an > 800 seat theater! Lots of us were there, and some of us came > from far away to be there :). (yeah, it was worth it!). I was talking to a salesoid at the local Rainbow Records, and he said that Happy had done an in-store performance there a few years back. The things I miss... BTW, they have a complete set of Happy CDs in stock. Joe (now grooving to the new live Leonard Cohen album). ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:39:41 -0400 (EDT) From: S Trowbridge Subject: Tori on Letterman TONIGHT!!! Okay, this is what I meant by "late-breaking updates"...I have just found out that Tori Amos will be on "Late Show With David Letterman" TONIGHT, 11:35 p.m. EST, CBS. --Sue Trowbridge //////////////////////////trow@access.digex.net\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again --Tori Amos ////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 20:55:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: My son is getting into music bigtime! Egads! WXPN kinda blew me away today. I heard some Clannad, later some Sam Phillips. You know, there is a Lot of Really Great Music out there. Yesterday, my oldest son Richard (15) came up to me and asked if I knew of any "deep" music. He only recently got bitten by the music bug and thought top 40 radio was about it. He is now a new Tori Amos fan! (I tried to get him into Happy, especially thought he'd like "Be Careful What You Say", but all things happen when they're supposed to happen!). He listened to "Little Earthquakes" and was dumbfounded, now he's getting into "God" and "Cornflake Girl" while we await our copy of UTP from Columbia House (don't shoot me!). We have videos of those two songs. I guess when I told him Tori's net.list was "really deep thoughts" he figured the music would indeed be deep. Meanwhile, he's teaching himself guitar. I guess having a stratocaster around the house is good for something! Meanwhile, I've pretty much decided on the music I'll be using for the HBP this year. Prepare to dust your ears off as I reach back to 1968 and 1972! Then again, on the plus side, I shan't be lumbering you all with my bass this time! (Wait till Christmas!?) Thanks for the bandwidth! Bob, a Parent ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 21:01:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: Musical progeny Egads! WXPN kinda blew me away today. I heard some Clannad, later some Sam Phillips. You know, there is a Lot of Really Great Music out there. Yesterday, my oldest son Richard (15) came up to me and asked if I knew of any "deep" music. He only recently got bitten by the music bug and thought top 40 radio was about it. He is now a new Tori Amos fan! (I tried to get him into Happy, especially thought he'd like "Be Careful What You Say", but all things happen when they're supposed to happen!). He listened to "Little Earthquakes" and was dumbfounded, now he's getting into "God" and "Cornflake Girl" while we await our copy of UTP from Columbia House (don't shoot me!). We have videos of those two songs. I guess when I told him Tori's net.list was "really deep thoughts" he figured the music would indeed be deep. Meanwhile, he's teaching himself guitar. I guess having a stratocaster around the house is good for something! Meanwhile, I've pretty much decided on the music I'll be using for the HBP this year. Prepare to dust your ears off as I reach back to 1968 and 1972! Then again, on the plus side, I shan't be lumbering you all with my bass this time! (Wait till Christmas!?) Thanks for the bandwidth! Bob, a Parent PS apologies if this is a double post; it looked like my prior attempt had failed so I'm trying again... ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 22:04:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: lyric request Hi! This may be stretching things even by ecto standards, but You Never Know... Does anyone out there have the new Spin Doctors album? I'm specifically looking for the lyrics to the song "Cleopatra's Cat", which are really funny and worthy of sending to a few people I know, but are not worth buying the CD, since I really don't find the Spin Doctors interesting at all (although they all look like people I went to school with, but I digress). So, if anybody has the lyrics and a few minutes to type them in a send them to me, or an ftp site somewhere where I could just go get them myself, please e-mail directly. Thanks! Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jun 1994 22:10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: test please ignore... I think ecto just died but I'm hoping not... Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)