Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1153 ecto, Number 1153 Sunday, 26 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Re: Remakes/Covers On the punctuation-of (Frente!) Front more FRENTE! confusion.... just a little thank-you note.... Zap Mama Re: On the punctuation-of (Frente!) Front ZAP! Hey Bdays! More Zap Mama (concert review) TITP/Excellent Birds (and a bit of nostalgia) Re: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Re: TITP/Excellent Birds (and a bit of nostalgia) The Whole Story Re: ZAP! Romeo Void more punctuation confusion.... Oh well, I'm depressed now ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 17:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Jeffy ponders: > Is the TWS version of "Wuthering Heights" not a remake of the original from > TKI? Hmm... I guess that would depend on whether a remake contains any of the original tracks. Are the multiple remixes of songs on CD singles, some with added material, remakes? ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Remakes/Covers Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 17:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Chris chueries: > PG's version of Excellent birds....idunno....a *revisiting*? Hmmm.... for that matter, what about Fripp's "Exposure" (on his album of the same name) and Adrian Belew's non-Crimson "Heartbeat"? Or, come to think of it, ELP's "Epitaph"? Or (most relatedly) Happy's acoustic "Feed the Fire"? On the quotation front: what does one do when writing an non-exclamatory sentence which had the band name Frente! at the end of it? (And I had to got through a lot of twisting to get that question not to end with "Frente![!?]"[!?]") ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 18:17:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: On the punctuation-of (Frente!) Front Joe Zitt ponders: >On the quotation front: what does one do when writing an >non-exclamatory sentence which had the band name Frente! at the end of >it? (And I had to got through a lot of twisting to get that question >not to end with "Frente![!?]"[!?]") Ahh grasshopper, how one answer one's own question when one phrases them correctly... The answer, as you've discovered, is to rearrange the sentence... Reminds me of an old joke: (A would-be letter to a mongoose co.) Dear Sirs, Please send me two (2) mongooses. [Discards the above letter] Dear Sirs, Please send me two (2) mongeese. [Discards the above letter] Dear Sirs, Please sne me a mongoose...and while you're at it, send me another one. Anyway, that's my advice. "Afterall, isn't that what I'd do when ending a non-exclamatory sentence with 'Frente!'?", asked Chris. *My* question is: "How in the hell does one end a quoted exclamatory interogative ending with 'Frente!'!?" Chris ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 17:18:24 PDT From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: more FRENTE! confusion.... all this talk of how to puncuate FRENTE!, has me awondering ... when talking about this band do you just yell their name? or is it a glottal click (not sure of the proper name for it, but like in the !kung - that infamous african tribe from everyone's intro anthro class). i lean towards the yelling method -- but this tends to annoy ones friends ..... :-) semi-hopelessly confused in SB ---- chrisF ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 17:28:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Marisa Wood Subject: just a little thank-you note.... Thanks and e-hugs to everyone on ecto (and #ecto too!) who sent me birthday greetings! I (finally!) got a CD player on the big day, so I'm spending a lot of time planning what CD's to buy next. I have disappear fear's latest, and Kristen Hall's _Be Careful What You Wish For_. GUHS, Marisa ------------------------------------------------------------------- Marisa Wood (Seastar) mlwood@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 17:34:12 PDT From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: Zap Mama ok vickie's recent ravings (oops, i *meant* to type intellectual discourse :-) ) have convinced me, i need to hear Zap Mama. so now the question becomes - which cd would vickie and other ectoids suggest buying, first given the fact that my budget is sorely limited (what an imperfect world!)? and any idea if they are heading out to the west coast anytime in the near future, they sound like a tremendous show (understatement). chrisF (who likes to play fast and loose with puncuation as the mood suits him. so there :-P :-) :-) *********************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 | every minute i spend with you * * Biology Dept., UCSB | is like a song. and that is why * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 | i cannot see you anymore * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -the jody grind * *********************************************************** ======================================================================== From: "Ralph A. Pincus" Subject: Re: On the punctuation-of (Frente!) Front Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 20:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Chris' (or is that "Chris's"? Or "Chris's?") question is: > > "How in the hell does one end a quoted exclamatory interogative ending > with 'Frente!'!?" After you stop laughing (as I had to), you pull out a little-known punctuation mark called an "interrobang." It's a hybrid of a question mark and an exclamation point. Kinda tough to show here, but imagine one mark superimposed over the other and I'm sure you'll get the picture. Strangely enough, my dictionary (the WICKED COOL American Heritage [c]1992) has a definition of "interrobang," but no illustration. Hmph. As for where to put it, I have no f*cking idea. Cheers!? (sorry, you'll have to imagine an interrobang) --Josh (somebody who actually does this sh*t for a living and wunders y hee bekaim en editer in thuh furst plase) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 18:02:08 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: ZAP! Well, I actually have very little to say about Zap Mama, but it doesn't seem like it's going to stop me. I recently bought the first(?) disc, the Adventures in Afropea (or something like that). It has looked nice sitting next to my CD player for a week, unopened. I thought there were only 2 discs, so decision making should be easier. They were here in San Diego not long ago, opening for Milton Nasciemento. Same in LA too. So, I think they've already done their west coast shows. Sorry Chris. Newspaper reviews had them blowing MN off the stage. Don't have the new Sheila Chandra either, but I love the vocal percussion on Weaving my Ancestor's Voices and Roots and Wings. I've listened to them many times, and they never fail to awe and excite me, although I prefer the ones with unmodified voice, rather than the echo or reverb or whatever. IT doesn't need any tricks to complete bowl you over. So, I don't find them boring over time. It's cool because you can even learn them a bit, in a stumbling incomprehensible way. At least the words ....conical, genical, conical, genical, badabadbada or whatever. (Sort of like the fun I have singing along on my favorite Gaelic songs!) Oh, and in the same batch of unlistened to CDs was a copy of Silk I just picked up. SO Vickie, if you want me to tape whatever's on that but not on the others (maybe with that Mary Coughlin single tacked on), let me know. Treasure's my favorite Cocteau Twins album too. Don't think you could go wrong with any from that list though. I think it was Treasure that sparked the reviews saying that the Cocteau's were the voice of god. It is a wonderful, magical album. West coast, Peter Gabriel-less WOMAD dates were canceled due to scheduling dificulties. Not apparently poor ticket sales... neal ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 22:20:06 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Hey Bdays! (sorry about this being late) HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Teresa VanDyne!! Special note: we met before Happy was even recording music, before rec.music.gaffa even existed. We met at BushKon in 1984! We may not talk much, Teresa, but I definitely want to say how cool I think it is that you're on the Net and on Ecto now. HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Dave Torok!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Ethan Straffin!! HUGS/GUHS Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 22:29:55 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: More Zap Mama (concert review) Zap Mama is definitely on tour and heading East. I don't have cities or dates at this time, but they were due to play Columbus, Ohio last night (that's Thursday night). Charley called Luaka Bop records and got someone who promised to send him the tour info. That might not be enough time for some people in some cities, so keep an ear out. The woman at Luaka Bop did say that Zap Mama would be coming back to the states in the fall. Ah! A review! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Chicago Tribune June 23, 1994 By Greg Kot - Tribune rock critic ZAP MAMA HAS MESMERIZING EFFECT ON RAVINIA Caption with photo of Zap Mama on stage at Ravinia: "The female Euro-African vocal quintet Zap Mama performs Wednesday night at Ravinia without gimmicks or special effects on a virtually barren stage, save for mircophones and percussion instruments." WORLD MUSIC A stark stage in Highland Park was transformed into a Central African jungle Wednesday, and all because of the power of five voice and a roomfull of accomplices. Zap Mama, the female Euro-African vocal quintet, closed their set at Ravinia with a Pygmy chant, "Babanzele." Setting the atmosphere by evoking bird trills and the wind rustling through the trees, the vocalists built a dense, rhythmic tapestry. At the behest of leader Marie Daulne, the audience was soon adding a simple melodic chant of its own. The effect was mesmerizing, a trance-inducing latticework of voices that rose and then gently spiraled to a hush. "Babanzele" is in many ways a tribute to Daulne's childhood rescuers, the Pygmies who gave her family refuge as they fled rebels who killed her father in war-torn Zaire during the 1960s. Daulne eventually settled in Belgium, where she founded Zap Mama in 1990, a group devoted to the vocal traditions of the world. More than mere revivalists, the group recontextualizes these traditions into an organic hybrid that is both loving and irreverent. In contrast to the haunting austerity and otherworldliness of the Bulgarian State Radio and Television Female Vocal Choir--the only female vocal group to rival the success of Zap Mama in North America-- Daulne and her sisters in song project a funky, streetwise image. They dance, they giggle, they perform mime, they wag their fingers and crack jokes, they break out into boisterous conversations, and they sing beautifully in a multitude of languages. Which is not to say the group's repertoire was without political content--it was, but it wasn't heavyhanded. The pleading gospel inflections of "Citizen 120" and the mournful wails and barking dogs of "India" didn't require explanation or translation to convey meaning. But in the 16th Century hymn "Din Din*," the solemn atmosphere was punctured when one of the singers manufactured a burp--a little elbow to the ribs that reminded the audience that Zap Mama can be as playful as it is serious. The sense of the unexpected is essential to the act's success because there are no gimmicks or special effects to prop up a faltering show. The stage was virtually barren save for a few microphones and stray percussion instruments. Adorned in thrift-shop mix-and-match outfits, including unlaced pink gym shoes and boots, the group entered hidden by sheets, which were soon transformed into robes, sashes, hoods and belts. Self-accompanied on gourds, finger cymbals, wood blocks, even Tupperware, the group just as often used only its voices to weave dense polyrhythms. So the quintet had no trouble doing justice to one of the masters of orchestrated rhythm in "Mr Brown***," the Godfather of Soul. Daulne, Cecilia Kankonda, Celine 'T Hooft, Sabine Kabongo and Sylvie Nawasadio** were human hip-hop beat boxes one minute, scat-singing divas the next. A similar rhythmic exercise, "Plekete," evoked a car sputtering into gear and weaving through traffic. Daulne's armanda of vocal and mime effects extended to channel-surfing on an imaginary car radio, which led only to exasperation. "There is nothing on the radio," she said. "Sometimes you have to turn it off and sing." And so they did. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ * ...16th Century hymn "Din Din" (I don't know what he's talking about, because they did *not* perform "Din Din" at all. It's my all-time favorite Zap Mama song and believe me, I was waiting for it and would have recognized it immediately) ** Daulne, Cecilia Kankonda, Celine 'T Hooft, Sabine Kabongo and Sylvie Nawasadio (hmm, this is a different line-up from the listing in the Ravinia program book, which was Marie Daulne, Sabine Kabongo, Sally Nyolo, Marie Afonso, and Sylvie Nawasadio. Though I don't exactly know who was who--the "introduction" portion was great but you really couldn't understand her accent--I'm almost certain who Marie Daulne was, and the woman introducing everybody wasn't Daulne, but said her name was Marie which, when I read the program, assumed was Marie Afonso. It matters in that I would like to know who was who and it's nice to get it right in a printed review too) *** "Mr Brown" (Chris swears that they didn't perform this song but I can't say. He listened to the album before the concert and I didn't. Charley bought it for us and brought it over before we headed up to Ravinia. Charley and Chris listened to it while I was in the shower) One thing I wanted to add...many many many thanks to Klaus and Claudia, because they were the ones who turned me on to Zap Mama a couple of years ago! ***HUG*** Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 0:20:33 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: TITP/Excellent Birds (and a bit of nostalgia) > Joe Zitt kindly informs us: > > >The *first* version was for the video, made for a TV special shown on > >1/1/1984. Gabriel's remake (which appeared in 1986) and Anderson's > >remake were distinct versions from the video. > > Okay, now I gotta ask, when was the video made?! The _Mister Heartbreak_ > liner notes say, "The music on this Compact Digital Disc was originally > recorded during July and December 1983 on analog equipment." I would guess is that the song was recorded in July, and the video made in December. It is true that the only problem is semantics. I guess that "remake" probably is the correct word, but Peter's is not a remake of Laurie's version, it's a remake of their original version. The only clue on the video itself comes at the beginning, when the words "'This Is The Picture'" Music and Video by Peter Gabriel and Laurie Anderson" scrolls along the bottom of the screen. Since our video copy is in mono, and since I don't actually have _Mister Heartbreak_ on CD (and I'm far too lazy to dig out the LP) I can't talk about differences. Not that it matters. Both artists obviously had the master sessions and re-worked the song however they saw fit to put on their own albums. On _So_, the song is credited to "Laurie Anderson/Peter Gabriel" so Peter is obviously giving Laurie the most credit, which indicate (to me, with no other information) that Laurie came up with the original idea. How is it credited on Laurie's album? Whatever/whoever, it's a wonderful song and video. It took me a few days to get around to digging up the video, which we dubbed from a friend of ours since we didn't see it when it originally aired. (We were visiting Los Angeles, had spent New Years Eve sleeping in a car in the parking lot of an LA grocery store, then woke up to go to a pre-arranged visit with Armando Gallo, who put together Peter Gabriel and Genesis photo biographies. That night, we went to a Kate Bush fan party and met Andy Marvick/IED for the first time. That was a great trip! We kept joking that George "1984" Orwell would have been a Kate Bush/Peter Gabriel fan. Ah memories...) Anyway, digging up the video was fun. You know how sometimes you start to do one thing and end up sidetracked by other things? I was going to just watch the PG/LA video, but that entailed searching through our old videos, and I ended up watching so many great (or at least, fun) videos from the early to mid 80s, things we taped at the time they were being played on MTV. Chris had a VCR (his mom bought one in 1978) and after we met I used to tape all kinds of things. There's lots of trash, because I never was sure what I might want to keep, and if I taped something not-so- good, but then after it I taped something good, I was stuck with the not-so-good video too. I always apologise if I'm showing someone my video list from back then. MTV has always interspersed good stuff with bad stuff, but a particularly interesting aspect of early MTV is that videos weren't then as "important" as they are now, so they played what they had available to them. Those were the days when they had blocks of time not filled up by advertising and used to show 5-10 minute segments of animation pieces to kill time in areas of the country where no local ads were being shown. (I mean, I assume that in Los Angeles, local ads were playing, but in Kansas City, they had no takers, so we got the filler stuff. I have a *lot* of those fillers). Up to the mid-80s, MTV showed not only currect videos, but videos from the late 70s, so we saw a mixture of punk/New Wave/rock videos. That's the time when MTV was closer to 60s AM radio, as far as their being eclectic goes. I don't know if anyone's interested in this list, but some of the highlights I've been watching are: Buggles "Video Killed The Radio Star" (of course) :) Hayzi Fantayzee "Shiny Shiny" "John Wayne Is Big Leggy" EBN-OZN "Bag Lady" (much better than AEIOU-Y) Frank Zappa "You Are What You Is" (shown on a kids show!) Rough Trade "All Touch, No Contact" Lene Lovich "Bird Song" "Say When" "Lucky Number" "New Toy" Lenny Bruce "Thank You Mask Man" (from Night Flight) Blondie "Rapture" Visage "Fade To Grey" Reckless Eric "A Pop Song" Klark Kent "I've Got A Place Of My Own" (really, Stewart Copeland) Roxy Music "Avalon" (what a *wonderful* album!) Don Fagen "New Frontiers" Madness "One Step Beyond" (which I first saw in a theater!) Thomas Dolby "Europa" (still my favorite TD song) The Jam "Town Called Malice" Oingo Boingo "Nothing Bad Ever Happens To Me" The Pretenders "Tattood Love Boys" "Brass In Pocket" & others Total Coelo "I Eat Cannibals" (silly, but fun) After The Fire "Der Kommissar" Falco "Der Kommissar" (which I liked better) Anderson/Van Geles "Friends Of Mr Cairo" Captain Sensible "Wot?" Joe King Carrasco "Person-Person" (& others) Wall Of Voodoo "Mexican Radio" The Police "Every Breath You Take" (I tried to get *all* the versions) David Bowie "Ashes To Ashes" Japan "Visions Of China" Chris DeBurgh "Don't Pay The Ferryman" Kim Wilde "Kids In America" Landscape "Norman Bates" Adrian Belew "Big Electric Cat" Roman Holiday "Stand By" Tom Tom Club "Genius Of Love" Laurie Anderson "Oh Superman" Will Powers "Adventures In Success" "Kissing With Confidence" Tim Finn "Through The Years" Ultravox "Vienna" Nena "99 Luft/Red Balloons" (there are 3 versions that we have) Philip Glass "Act III" Monte Video "Shoop Shoop Widley Wop Cumma Cumma Wang Dang" :-) :-) Mari Wilson "Just What I've Always Wanted" Stuart Copeland/Stan Ridgeway "Don't Box Me In" M "Pop Music" and *SO* many others...lots of Peter Gabriel, The Police, Abba, Siouxsie & the Banshees and more. Luckily, many of these better-known artists now have their own video compilations out, but many of the "one-hit wonders" (in MTV/radio terms) don't, so I'm glad I was taping much of the time :) It's been so much fun to watch many of these good (or bad-but-fun,) videos again. Later, when I started my radio show, my interest focused more on female vocals, and later lists are packed with more of them. I'm definitely not one to say something like "it was so much better then" because as long as good music still keeps getting recorded and released, I'll keep on buying and loving it. I *know* that there will always be great music to discover. Vickie (watching/listening to Lene Lovich one minute, watching/listening to October Project the next) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 00:06:48 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds >DATE: Fri, 24 Jun 94 09:25:05 -0700 >FROM: Ethan Straffin > >Jeff sez: >>Is the TWS version of "Wuthering Heights" not a remake of the original from >>TKI? > TWS? The only other verion I know is ITHOTN (by PB). What is TWS? Dennis Parslow You know what I like about hockey? Troy, NY 12180 I'm on breakaway with the greatest player p00421@psilink.com of all time. You know what I hate? Darryl Strawberry is not a dog. He's not passing to me. A dog is loyal and chases after balls Denis Leary Tom Lasorda ======================================================================== Subject: Re: TITP/Excellent Birds (and a bit of nostalgia) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 00:56:46 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Vickie writes: >I would guess is that the song was recorded in July, and the video made >in December. It is true that the only problem is semantics. I guess that >"remake" probably is the correct word, but Peter's is not a remake of >Laurie's version, it's a remake of their original version. I think it was yesterday (the day before?) when I stressed that I felt it was a remake and not a cover. At the time, I was hoping to explain my view of the semantic issue. Obviously it didn't work. ;-) I fully agree that the _So_ version is a remake of the original collaboration and not a remake of Laurie's version. Any time I've implied otherwise was *before* I learned that the collaborative version in the video was recorded before the _Home of the Brave_ version. Now I'm dying to get to a VCR so I can pull out the video and watch it again! (strangely, I almost put on my SiG 118 video tapes last weekend when I was building a kite for someone; instead I opted to pop in my tape of the Mama Tour). >On _So_, the song is credited to "Laurie Anderson/Peter Gabriel" so >Peter is obviously giving Laurie the most credit, which indicate (to me, >with no other information) that Laurie came up with the original idea. >How is it credited on Laurie's album? Time to make life more complex. In the _Mister Heartbreak_ liner notes (predating _So_, of course), we have the credit to "Gabriel/Anderson." Why do I get the feeling that someone is playing an elaborate joke on us all? >I don't know if anyone's interested in this list, but some of the >highlights I've been watching are: > >Buggles "Video Killed The Radio Star" (of course) :) Strangely, this still gets quite a bit of airplay. I'm not sure if I usually see it on MTV or VH-1, though. >Frank Zappa "You Are What You Is" (shown on a kids show!) Speaking of kids shows, ever seen _The Adventures of Pete and Pete_ on Nickolodeon? Very surreal, and lots of great music and cameos. I've seen way cool cameos by Michael Stipe and Kate Pierson, on two of the three or four episodes I've seen. >Don Fagen "New Frontiers" Bomb shelter, right? >Madness "One Step Beyond" (which I first saw in a theater!) Ooh! Still hear this on 'HFS every now and then. Didn't know there was a video, though. >Oingo Boingo "Nothing Bad Ever Happens To Me" Grrr. Musical guests I wanted to see on both Leno and Letterman tonight, and they even played at non-conflicting times, so I *could* have watched both. But somehow, I managed to catch John Mellencamp on Letterman, but turned to Leno just in time to watch Danny Elfman walk off the stage. >The Police "Every Breath You Take" (I tried to get *all* the versions) Was "Don't Stand So Close to Me '86" a remake or a new version? ;-) >Laurie Anderson "Oh Superman" Ooh. I'd love to see this. Y'know, after years of bitching about me using this song for my answering machine message, my 83 year old grandmother now sometimes starts leaving her messages in a throbbing near-monotone chant, which I guess is how she hears Laurie's outgoing message. What a great, fun list. Wish I had a video collection like that. But I'm grateful for what little neat stuff I do have. Jeff ======================================================================== Subject: The Whole Story Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 01:13:31 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu (posted publicly for anyone else confused by my use of acronyms!) >>Jeff sez: >>>Is the TWS version of "Wuthering Heights" not a remake of the original from >>>TKI? And Dennis asks: >TWS? The only other verion I know is ITHOTN (by PB). What is TWS? KaTe, of course, first put "Wuthering Heights" on her debut album, _The Kick Inside_. Several years later, she recorded an entire new lead vocal which was placed over the original instrumental tracks (is it just me, or is the music mixed a bit differently?) and placed this on her greatest hits album, _The Whole Story_. The vocal is much deeper, and more mature. KaTe fans are rather divided as to which they prefer. Personally, I like the original best. KaTe sez she wanted to move the song away from the "little girl" voice that so many find shrill on the original version. Personally, I prefer the little girl voice, and I largely attribute that preference to the fact that Cathy Earnshaw, when she first appears as a ghost in the novel, shows up as a young girl. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 2:15:15 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ZAP! NeAl writes: > Don't have the new Sheila Chandra either, but I love the vocal > percussion on Weaving my Ancestor's Voices and Roots and Wings. I forgot to add that I respect Sheila's vocal percussion, and love it in the songs I love. It has to be *very* hard to do, and she's been working on it for years and years. It's just that she does it a *lot* and on every album, and unless I'm in the mood to hear it, I usually skip those songs. She's definitely a master though. I don't know if she plays a tabla. > Oh, and in the same batch of unlistened to CDs was a copy of Silk > I just picked up. SO Vickie, if you want me to tape whatever's > on that but not on the others (maybe with that Mary Coughlin single > tacked on), let me know. Whenever you have a few minutes to spare, could you type in the track listing, and times, if they're listed. > Treasure's my favorite Cocteau Twins album too. Don't think you > could go wrong with any from that list though. I think it was > Treasure that sparked the reviews saying that the Cocteau's were > the voice of god. It is a wonderful, magical album. It is, which is why it always bothers me to hear the band talk trash about this album. With cringe-reaction fine tuned, I got up the nerve to read the CT interview in Mondo 2000 (the one with the *AMAZING* Jane cover) ready to slam it shut and re-vow to never again read a CT interview at the slightest hint of Treasure-bashing, but luckily, they never said a word about it. Vickie ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 06:50:00 UTC Subject: Romeo Void > Romeo Void recently regrouped, and have played a few concerts in the > Bay Area in the last year or so. I think they have a new album coming > out sometime soon, perhaps this fall. I do hope you are correct. My information was that they were just regrouping for a few charity events and not doing anything permanent. I would definitely like to see them record. +########################################################################+ +###+ Paul Cohen, Philadelphia, PA +###+ +########################################################################+ +###+ P.COHEN@genie.geis.com +###+ PMCOHEN@aol.com +###+ +###+ 70703.3126@compuserve.com +###+ PMCOHEN@delphi.com +###+ +########################################################################+ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 25 Jun 1994 09:50:52 +0100 From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: more punctuation confusion.... Chris Farmer muses about the ! on the end of Frente! : > when talking about this band do you just yell their name? or is it a > glottal click (not sure of the proper name for it, but like in the !kung > - that infamous african tribe from everyone's intro anthro class). I'm probably wrong, but I don't think there are any languages with glottal clicks, although bilabial (kiss), dental (tut), lateral (gee up horsy :), alveolar (half a clip-clop sound?) and retroflex clicks all exist in various languages. Josh-who-isn't-Ralph ponders: > After you stop laughing (as I had to), you pull out a little-known > punctuation mark called an "interrobang." It's a hybrid of a question > mark and an exclamation point. Kinda tough to show here, but imagine > one mark superimposed over the other and I'm sure you'll get the picture. Possibly the interrobang is set to make a resurgence since it appears in the Unicode 16-bit character encoding (character 0x203D). Possibly not :) As far as I remember, its use was a marker for an ironic statement. I think someone else (a francophone of some description) proposed using a reversed ? for the same purpose. symbolically, |/-\|\| -- She was a woman of letters, you know. Oh yes. I told her once and she laughed and we worked it all out. Not just letters either, signs. I'll show you. Behind each knee an H, from behind her behind a +, her nostrils were ,s (hope this isn't getting too confusing for you), her waist was )(, and pride of place went to V (in plan, prone), and ! (front elevation). Then of course she digested all this and pointed out she also had a : and regular .s (though those were puns, not signs -- like I say, she was a woman of letters). Never mind; at that! I went i (she went O). -- Iain Banks, _The Bridge_ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 25 Jun 94 5:13:25 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Oh well, I'm depressed now I just found out that I missed seeing Moon Seven Times here in Chicago on Thursday night. Damn :( They're on a mid-western tour (or so I hear in alt.music.alternative) but no dates were posted. Someone just happened to mention the Chicago date. I suppose I should read ama more often, but it's really impossible to wade through, and there are so many dickheads to hang out there, my blood pressure goes up every time I read it. Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)