Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1152 ecto, Number 1152 Friday, 24 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Seeking opinions... Re: Into the Black Hole Re: Our Lose is Your Gain Re: replies to pretty much every thread going on now Re: Seeking opinions... Re: Excellent Birds Re: Laurie anderson discography? this line intentionally left blank Disregard... The Zen Kiss, Cocteau Twins Q, and a hullo :) Re: Excellent Birds Re: this line intentionally left blank Re: this line intentionally left blank Re: this line intentionally left blank Re: The Zen Kiss, Cocteau Twins Q, and a hullo :) This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Sarah / Milla Today's your birthday friends.... CDs, Kirsty, and the Cocteau Twins Re: The Zen Kiss Re: The Zen Kiss Re: The Zen Kiss, Cocteau Twins Q, and a hullo :) Re: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Re: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Remakes/Covers Gentle Giant Incredible exploding aliens across the internet Milla's Lyrics ======================================================================== We're caught up now with digests! yay! --jessica ======================================================================== From: Cloudbust@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 18:41:37 EDT Subject: Re: Seeking opinions... Greetings all! Jeff, Thanx for the blank line-diacritical method. I can see that it would work on any system using a monospaced font (which I will have to change my America Online Preferences for since I use a proportional font normally) and I will probably try that if needed in the future. I hope I remember to note the monospace requirement in the affected posts :o Also, could you send me the full net address of r.m.g? >Me, I think KaTe is *outrageously* talented, and she happens to be easy on >the eye. Especially in the ivy shot on the cover of that wretched book >_The Secret History of Kate Bush and the Strange Art of Pop_ by horribly >ucky Fred Vermorel. I also have a copy of that travesty, _The Secret History of Kate Bush and the Strange Art of Pop_. Well, at least the cover photo is good to look at. I still prefer the photos used in my Picture Disc album (vinyl? now I am showing my age!) of "The Kick Inside" (with the Japanese cover). So simple, yet SO evocative! >Is language inherently mathematical? While I would tend to answer in the negative, it has been theorized that _communication_ begins with mathematical precepts for common ground. Nevertheless, my application of mathematical abstracts to grammar may be rooted in my constant frustration with common events that seem to follow no rules of logic or standardization in everyday life. I therefore seek a bastion of order wherever I can find it. I have, however, a tenacious grip on order at best. >Quotations are not parenthetical. Yes, I know. And I meant to correct that sentence before sending it, however I was already running late for work (UGH) and missed it. OOPS! ======================================================================== From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 18:54:51 -0400 Subject: Re: Into the Black Hole A digestless mjm wrote: > Kirsty MacColl: Titanic Days CD5 > One word describes this gem (and anything else this lady does): > Fabulous. She is wonderful, isn't she? _Titanic Days_ (the album) is flawless IMHO, as long as you program out "Big Boy on a Saturday Night." :-) > I'm still waiting with baited breath from any release of pre-Kite > Kirsty, esp. since reports of this have been trickling in. > I want I want I want, to paraphrase JS. I posted earlier this year about a CD I bought called _The Essential Collection_. It seems to include most, if not all, of her pre-Kite work like "They Don't Know," "A New England," "Terry," etc. It also has a couple of remixes and alternate versions on it. It's been popping up in many place recently. I even saw it at my friendly neighborhood Best Buy. While I'm glad I have it, I never listen to it. It's just not the Kirsty I know and love. It sounds an awful lot like Tracey Ullman, which is understandable since they've worked together. However, while I like Tracey Ullman's stuff in a weird, campy kinda way, I just don't appreciate it when it's coming from Kirsty. I even like Tracey's version of "They Don't Know" better. Stuart __________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu "There are a lot of hidden nerds. I'm aware of the exciting man in Trent The Nine Inch, but I can see the nerd in him, too." - Tori Amos __________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Our Lose is Your Gain Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Wayne Palmer expns: > lot of folks to support the station over the years. This was the general > impression I got from the 30 or so people at the focus group. We all loved > the station and the music, but the consensus was that they were starting > to try to attract a wider audience by playing some of the stuff that you > could hear on all the area commercial stations at the expense of losing > their long time listeners who have been members over many years. >From what they'd been saying on the air, the big result of their listener responses was that we wanted, in no uncertain terms, "NO BILLY JOEL". (Well, I dunno, I've thought of a few worldmusic mixes that the instrumental part of "The Stranger" might fit it B-].) I just got my first issue of 88.5 Xpress, and am going to devour it as soon as I get off line. ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: replies to pretty much every thread going on now Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Meth exudes: > In fact, the psychobabble in the middle is actually one of the high points > of the song for me. (And one of my favorite works by Cage is "Aria With > Fontana Mix", too. So shoot me. :) Me too. Meredith Monk does a cool version of "Aria" on the "A Chance Operation" collection (my favorite piece of which is Yoko's). I'd be tempted to put on the latest H[GB]P one of my pieces with just sampled voices from "Gabrielle: A Living Hypertext", but as those who've seen the script might guess, the music would terrify the horses. ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Seeking opinions... Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Jeffy jefts: > But this is *very* different from the subject, as I don't think most > popular female singers have "rocker" looks. If anything, the more > popular/"beautiful" ones are quite the opposite. E.g., Paraiah Carey. > (oh dear...I meant to write Moriah. Silly me.) No, it's Mariah. Moriah, I believe, is what they call the wind (or a mountain at which Moses did something or other). I, for one, (my revent ravings pro Yoko, Meredith Monk, et al notwithstanding) am a bona fide Mariah nut. > Quotations are not parenthetical. Typically, the only reason I'll > punctuate outside a quoted passage is when the passage in question is a > command in which a period might be misleading (e.g. "Please type, 'cp > ../mc* .'. This will copy the required files to the current directory.") I always (except when I slip, or when writing manuscripts that others may reject due to my not keeping to ostensibly standard rules) place periods outside quotes. Since much of the writing I do does involve text strings that periods could make misleading, I've decided to stay consistent... though I often finesse the issue by finding a way not to end the sentence with a quote. Tom Swifties have their uses B-]. > > Jeff > (not a language queen, merely someone who never had much trouble making use > of rules of grammar) > ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Excellent Birds Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Jeff agains: > Okay, now my opinion: > > The first time around, Gabriel guested on Anderson's album. The second > time around, Anderson guested on Gabriel's album. Because they *both* had > a hand in both versions, I view the latter as a remake (*not* a cover). The *first* version was for the video, made for a TV special shown on 1/1/1984. Gabriel's remake (which appeared in 1986) and Anderson's remake were distinct versions from the video. Does anyone at all have a copy of the aforementioned "Good Morning Mr. Orwell" special? I am on an undying quest for it, as it had not only that piece but Oingo Boingo's "Wake Up It's 1984" and other cool stuff. ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Laurie anderson discography? Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) > re the united states set... what's the story behind so much music? I > heard vaguely somewhere that she had some sort of television > programme at one point...? "United States" is the live recording of a performance that filled two evenings. (I know. I was there. I regretted falling asleep at the end.) I wish it was on video -- "Home of the Brave" looks cheesy and commercial by comparison (but only by comparison). ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 22:35:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: this line intentionally left blank Hi! You might remember in my account of Tori's show in New York City last week that "Silent All These Years" was disrupted by someone up in the upper balcony freaking out and a lot of hysterical screaming. Well, today I found out what happened: a guy in the audience tried to throw himself off. :( :( :( Goddess, I am *so* glad the people sitting around him were able to restrain him. I can't imagine what would have happened otherwise... what would have happened to him, to the people below, not to mention to Tori's psyche... gack! Anyway... If anyone (Mitch? :>) heard the side-splittingly funny segment with The Reduced Shakespeare Troupe on All Things Considered this evening and wants a copy for posterity, I taped it. (The NPR station here repeats the first hour of ATC between 7 and 8, I got it when it came around again.) E-mail if you want a copy. In case you're wondering, the Reduced Shakespeare Troupe is three guys from Berkeley who have achieved fame on the BBC World Service and are currently touring the country: they're in DC this weekend, and will be in Cambridge, MA in September. They currently hold the American record for fastest Hamlet (34 seconds, down from 37, set during the segment :) -- the World Record, so they say, is 17 seconds, set by an East German troupe (but it's been confirmed that their Ophelia was on steroids ;). Jeffy explained: >The first time around, Gabriel guested on Anderson's album. The second >time around, Anderson guested on Gabriel's album. Because they *both* had >a hand in both versions, I view the latter as a remake (*not* a cover). > >And remember, the version on _So_ has a slightly different name..."This is >the Picture" (with 'excellent birds' listed as sort of a subtitle). Yes, and it's quite a different version, as well. I always viewed "Excellent Birds" as the first draft, and "This Is The Picture (excellent birds)" as the second draft, done later. Not that one is necessarily better than the other, but it certainly seems that Gabriel took the version from _Mister Heartbreak_ and did more with it for his own album. In that sense, it is indeed a remake. Damon wondered: >I heard vaguely somewhere that she had some sort of television >programme at one point...? She was somehow affiliated with PBS' "Live From Off Center" program for a little while -- I know she produced one episode on her own, and I think she had a hand in other episodes, as well. I saw the end of the one she did when I was in 10th grade, before I knew who she was, and yes, it did seriously weird me out. :> In fact, it was a discussion of that episode in school the next day with a friend of mine who was really into Laurie Anderson (but didn't tape the show :() that first introduced me to her work... serendipity, whoo! Cathy related: >I've told this story to a couple of ectophiles but frankly was a bit too >embarrassed to tell the whole world I didn't recognize Sarah. So she smiled at you first? Gee, maybe she thought you were cute. ;) Thanks for sharing that! John informed: >Of course you're strange for thinking it. :) Actually, part of what I >don't like about Tori (all, IMHO of course) is her hair. Is that red her >natural color? There's just something about her face that doesn't click >for me, though I can't really describe it. Beauty is the most difficult >thing for me to describe... :) Nope, her hair is a dye job. (Y'know, I've been wondering lately about her self-image, since she changed her name and her hair color ...) IMO she's destroying it by dying and dying and perming and perming... one of these days she's not going to have any left. I think the best picture of her ever is the one on the "Winter" CD-singles... her hair is straight and hennaed, and she's definitely Yummy (tm). :> >Have you tried showing her any of the photos from RhodeSongs? I think a >couple of the ones taken from the live show are stunning. She really is a >strikingly beautiful woman. In more ways than one... :) Actually, I haven't... since I got RhodeSongs I haven't taken it home to show mom and dad, and my copy is (hopefully still) in Sarah's, er, possession. :) Vickie gushed: >I'm knocked out! Within the space of a few hours I had 3 orgasmic >musical experiences. First, we went to see Zap Mama at the Ravinia >Festival, 2nd, Iris DeMent performed live on the Leno show, and 3rd, >Rebecca Pidgeon performed on Conan's show. Hey, check out the current issue of _Request_ magazine (the one you get free at Sam Goody/Musicland stores), there's a neat article/interview with Iris Dement in there. There's also a quite favorable mention of Ingrid Karklins in the World Music column, yay! >If anyone else saw this show, or another Zap Mama show, and has better >powers of description than I do, I'd love to hear another take of their >concert. All I can really say is that if Zap Mama come *anywhere near* >where you are, GO SEE THEM!! It will be an experience you won't soon >forget, even if you can't describe it :). I second that emotion. :) When I saw them open for 10KM, they didn't have fabric, but they had all sorts of little pots and gourds that they used for music-making props. They had the crowd in a frenzy by the end of the set... it was truly amazing. Stuart agreed: >She is wonderful, isn't she? _Titanic Days_ (the album) is >flawless IMHO, as long as you program out "Big Boy on a Saturday >Night." :-) What's wrong with that song? It's one of my favorites from the album. Well, for those keeping score I called WFNX today, and Milla goes on at 2PM on Saturday, with Sarah to follow. The weather forecast at the moment is saying it's supposed to rain domesticated housepets, but according to the guy I spoke with at FNX, if it rains, it rains: there's no rain date. I'm going to check the weather on Saturday AM and see what's doing. If it's raining and looks like it's going to stay that way, I'll call the station and see if it's been cancelled... if not, what the hell, I'm going. I've done much sillier things. I aim to get there around noon or so. So where should we all meet, hm? Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================= "He's gaining on us! Move this thing!" "I can't! It's a Geo!" ======================================= ======================================================================== From: Cloudbust@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 22:53:13 EDT Subject: Disregard... Greetings all! Please disregard my request for a full net address for r.m.g. I just discovered the newsgroup. Thanx again, Bob. ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 14:56:59 +1200 Subject: The Zen Kiss, Cocteau Twins Q, and a hullo :) Hullo everyone! (okay, there'll be two hullos :) I've not been reading ecto lately, as I've had exams, but they're nearly over now, so I decided to take a bit of time to go CD browsing this morning while I have some spare time :) I listened to most of Sheila Chandra's new album "The Zen Kiss", and was intrigued... (I haven't any of her other albums) The "Speaking In Tongues" tracks gave me problems on first listen... (they're mostly percussive, but using only her voice - lots of short and rapid sounds) They were definitely interesting, but I wasn't sure whether I'd wish to hear them often, or if repeated listens would find me liking it... Does anyone else have comments on this? I quite liked the rest of the album I think... It is almost completely vocal as I remember, and she has a wonderful voice! "Woman and Child" was... unexpected I think sums it up best :) very direct and evocative imagery... Next up is the Cocteau Twins Question... specifically, I'm wondering about a good first album to get :) (This inspired by finding the best CT collection in a NZ shop I have seen (an entire five different discs :) namely: Blue Bell Knoll Treasure Heaven or Las Vegas Four-Calendar Cafe and a single: Aikea-Guinea (the CT logo would seem to place this with "Treasure" if it was with any of the above albums, but none of the tracks on it were on the albums that were there, so perhaps it is from a different one...) all the albums were $40 (ie. about US$20 which is about as expensive as imports usually get) and the single was $20 :/ Would people like to share their opinions on this? :) It can't be too long since we had a CT discussion I guess, but I don't remember... if we had one recently, perhaps personal email is best, but I don't mind either way :) Finally, a big hullo to Urs!!! :):):) Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Excellent Birds Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 23:18:58 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Joe Zitt kindly informs us: >The *first* version was for the video, made for a TV special shown on >1/1/1984. Gabriel's remake (which appeared in 1986) and Anderson's >remake were distinct versions from the video. Okay, now I gotta ask, when was the video made?! The _Mister Heartbreak_ liner notes say, "The music on this Compact Digital Disc was originally recorded during July and December 1983 on analog equipment." This in no way contradicts your statement that the video version predates the _MH_ version, but they must have been recorded at practically the same time (particularly in comparison to the Gabriel version, which was another couple of years further along!) >Does anyone at all have a copy of the aforementioned "Good Morning Mr. >Orwell" special? Sorry, all I've got is a copy of the video for "Excellent Birds." Which is indeed excellent. I'm always so captivated, that I've never paid much attention to the differences in the music between that and the first album version. Jeff (who sez: "Please note my use of periods within quotation marks. With all the ridiculous inconsistencies within the English language , I fail to see why people latch on to this particular item of punctuation to flagrantly disregard with the idea that it will somehow lend an air of consistency or logic to their writing.") ======================================================================== Subject: Re: this line intentionally left blank Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 23:32:42 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Meredith Tarr writes: (Kjetil's correct...it's very odd to type all that) >You might remember in my account of Tori's show in New York City last >week that "Silent All These Years" was disrupted by someone up in the >upper balcony freaking out and a lot of hysterical screaming. Well, today I >found out what happened: a guy in the audience tried to throw himself >off. :( :( :( Heh. First time I saw Pink Floyd, a fellow succeeded in tossing himself off a balcony at the Hoosier Dome. He didn't fall very far, and did not particularly hurt himself nor the people on whom he landed. Naturally, this ocurred during "Learning to Fly." (this is *not* an urban legend! I was *there*!) >If anyone (Mitch? :>) heard the side-splittingly funny segment with The >Reduced Shakespeare Troupe on All Things Considered this evening and wants >a copy for posterity, I taped it. (The NPR station here repeats the first >hour of ATC between 7 and 8, I got it when it came around again.) E-mail >if you want a copy. Heh. A few years ago, I saw the Reduced Shakespeare Company perform the entire works of Shakespeare in one evening at Indiana University. Of course, they didn't perform all of all of them. Many only got a passing nod. The histories, for instance, took the form of two guys miming a football game whilst the third did sportscasting duties, explaining which king or other member of roylaty was doing what with the ball. A flag was tossed when the ball was tossed to King Lear. Penalty? "Fictional character," of course! The best part was Hamlet, which I believe they performed 4 or 5 times. Timings were something like 17 minutes, 5 minutes, less than a minute, and a couple of minutes *but backward*. I believe it was the real short version in which one of the fellows, in drag, took care of the entire Ophelia role by saying, "Hey nonny nonny hey" and then splashing himself with a glass of water and keeling over. And of course, in the backwards version, Ophelia took a mouthful of water and sprayed the stage. If you know anything about Shakespeare's plays, you'll have a ball watching them. If you _don't_ know much Shakespeare, you'll still laugh really hard. Trust me. [re: Excellent Birds] >In that sense, it is indeed a remake. Thank you. I was feeling ganged up on after my first post. ;-) Of course, now Joe Zitt tells us that the _MH_ version was also a remake... [re: Tori] >Nope, her hair is a dye job. (Y'know, I've been wondering lately about her >self-image, since she changed her name and her hair color ...) How old was she when she changed her name? "Myra" seems like the sort of name that could cause distress as a youngster. Kids are mean, and names are an easy target. Any idea where she came up with "Tori"? Forgetting the way she looks, would Myra Ellen Amos have been allowed to release an album under her own name? >I think the best picture of her >ever is the one on the "Winter" CD-singles... her hair is straight and >hennaed, and she's definitely Yummy (tm). :> Nah. I like the one inside the SATY single. I also like the picture on the back inside of the UtP liner notes. Jeff ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: this line intentionally left blank Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 00:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Jeffy sayeth: > Forgetting the way she looks, would Myra Ellen Amos have been allowed to > release an album under her own name? Of course, if this were a David Lynch film or something, I would suggest that "Myra Ellen Amos" is the pseudonym. Why? Well, say it several times fast (and recording it in Dancing Dwarf mode may help), and it sounds suspiciously like "My real name is..." Joe (who is planning to call his first album "Yes, That's My Real Name".) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 00:13:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Re: this line intentionally left blank Hi! Tori was actually called Ellen while growing up, so Ellen Amos, while not as musical as Tori Amos as far as names go, still would have been able to release an album under her own name, I think... And she was 21 when she changed her name. Meredith, who doesn't give a shit about punctuation unless it's commas- she gets all riled up about those :) meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 0:31:44 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: The Zen Kiss, Cocteau Twins Q, and a hullo :) Philip quizzes: > I listened to most of Sheila Chandra's new album "The Zen Kiss", and > was intrigued... (I haven't any of her other albums) > > The "Speaking In Tongues" tracks gave me problems on first listen... > (they're mostly percussive, but using only her voice - lots of short > and rapid sounds) They were definitely interesting, but I wasn't sure > whether I'd wish to hear them often, or if repeated listens would find > me liking it... Does anyone else have comments on this? I don't have Zen Kiss yet, so I don't know how it compares. I too am only able to take the Speaking In Tongues songs in small doses, but her other songs more than make up. She has SIT songs on all of her albums, except Monsoon's "Third Eye" which is still my favorite Sheila Chandra album, even if it isn't technically a Sheila Chandra album. My favorite solo is "Weaving My Ancestor's Voices" but I have favorite songs on all her albums. My all-time absolute *LEAST* favorite SC album is "Silk" which is more of a compilation (consisting of mostly songs I dislike, which is why I don't like it, coupled with the knowledge that people might pick up "Silk" and judge Sheila harshly by it). In somewhat of an order of preference: "Third Eye" (by Monsoon, with Sheila singing lead vocals) "Weaving My Ancestor's Voices" "Roots And Wings" "Quiet" (but this has *lots* of SIT songs) "Nada Brahma" "Out On My Own" "The Struggle" "Silk" (feels as if I'm missing something...) I have TS, OOMO, NB, Q and TE on LP (vinyl) and when Sheila was beginning to be released on CD, they took Nada Brahma, split it up, and put half of it on the "Out On My Own" CD and half on "The Struggle" CD, so you'll look forever in vain for a "Nada Brahma" CD. It doesn't exist. TS, OOMO and Quiet all contain non-LP tracks, so of course, I had to buy them again (as if I wouldn't want them on CD anyway!) Silk also contains tracks never-before released. It's the one old SC I don't own, though I suppose I'll have to pick it up one of these days. RaW has re-mixes of earlier songs, and original songs too. Even though OOMO and TS are at the bottom, both contain songs I love, so I recommend them for diehard Sheila fans. My all-time favorite Sheila song ("Raqs") is on OOMO, and every Sheila fan *HAS* to hear "Strange Minaret" (ximerre mix) on TS. It's the song "Strange Minaret" (which I don't really care for) but it's all *backward* (note that ximerre is reremix convoluted) and it's *SO* cool! There are other good songs I love too, but others that make me cringe big-time. With each album, cringe-factor songs have gotten less and less, to where there's not one that I cringe at on Weaving... and which makes me think I'm going to absolutely love Zen Kiss. Ooops, I forgot to add that the song "Raqs" was originally from the album of Nada Brahma. Not answering your questions Philip... I'm just rambling incoherently :) > Next up is the Cocteau Twins Question... specifically, I'm wondering > about a good first album to get :) (This inspired by finding the best CT > collection in a NZ shop I have seen (an entire five different discs :) > > namely: > > Blue Bell Knoll > Treasure > Heaven or Las Vegas > Four-Calendar Cafe > > and a single: Aikea-Guinea > (the CT logo would seem to place this with "Treasure" if it was with > any of the above albums, but none of the tracks on it were on the > albums that were there, so perhaps it is from a different one...) > all the albums were $40 (ie. about US$20 which is about as expensive > as imports usually get) and the single was $20 :/ I would say, definitely, no question, that you should get Treasure. Treasure is my all-time absolute favorite CT album, so you should get Treasure. It's the first CT album I heard and bought, and I still love it as much as the day I bought it, so I'd say, yeah, Treasure. You could also buy Treasure, because it's just as good, but I really like Treasure the best. And then, there's Treasure, which is worth picking up if you're spending that kind of money, so flip a coin between Treasure and Treasure. Or, you could try Treasure, and build your collection from there, but make sure that Treasure is the corner- stone of your CT collection. Btw, did I ever mention that I really, really, REALLY, **REALLY** ***LOVE*** _Treasure_? (Second choice, Aikea-Guinea, which is my favorite CT song after "Ivo" from TREASURE) > Would people like to share their opinions on this? :) Treasure :) Vickie (who doesn't have an opinion on Treasure, she has *CONVICTIONS*) :) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 0:44:41 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Joe Zitt is absolutely correct. "This Is The Picture/Excellent Birds" was indeed recorded by Peter and Laurie *especially* for the special _Good Morning Mr Orwell_ which was aired the morning of January 1, 1984. It was a collaboration, and then later both artists put their own versions on their own albums. Peter's is *not* a "remake" and never was. I had been meaning to post about that, but Joe beat me to it. Btw, I don't have the entire special on tape Joe, just that one song. Vickie (who believes that Jeffy is being unnecessarily snippy these days, especially to Cloudburst, and thinks he needs to switch to decaf, but loves him very dearly anyway...always) ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 17:46:37 +1200 Subject: Sarah / Milla Just one question for those who are attending - Will anyone be taping it? :) Philip ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 06:44:44 CET-1 Subject: Today's your birthday friends.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* *** Dave Torok *** *** Ethan Straffin *** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 3 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 5 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 5 1971 Cancer Jim Gurley Mon July 6 1959 Cancer Courtney Dallas Fri July 9 1971 Cat Michael Peskura Sat July 9 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 9 1966 Cancer Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== From: Stuart Myerburg Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 02:23:39 -0400 Subject: CDs, Kirsty, and the Cocteau Twins I went CD shopping earlier this evening even though my bank account does not approve. My trip was made more eventful by a semi that decided it wanted to be in my lane without telling me first or worrying about whether I was in the way. Luckily, I was able to avoid having my car smashed to oblivion. After this near-death experience, I didn't feel nearly as guilty buying CDs. I even showed restraint and bought only 2, although I was coveting about 10 others. I ended up with Indigo Girls' _Swamp Ophelia_ and The Moon Seven Times' _7=49_. I *love* _Swamp Ophelia_. Emily and Amy have definitely matured as songwriters, even if they can't spell Jane Siberry's name correctly in the liner notes. ;-) I've only listened to half of _7=49_, but I like what I've heard thus far. Meredith defended "Big Boy on a Saturday Night": > What's wrong with that song? It's one of my favorites from the album. I don't know exactly what it is. I think it is probably just that the chorus really annoys me. I don't mind the rest of the song that much, and I like the lyrics. But then that chorus comes in...I thought it might improve when I heard it live, but I actually disliked the live version more than the recorded one. Philip asked: > Next up is the Cocteau Twins Question... specifically, I'm wondering > about a good first album to get :) (This inspired by finding the best CT > collection in a NZ shop I have seen (an entire five different discs :) > > namely: > > Blue Bell Knoll > Treasure > Heaven or Las Vegas > Four-Calendar Cafe Well, I was going to say _Heaven or Las Vegas_ because it is definitely my favorite, but... Vickie, repeating herself a bit, recommended: > I would say, definitely, no question, that you should get Treasure. > Treasure is my all-time absolute favorite CT album, so you should > get Treasure. It's the first CT album I heard and bought, and I still > love it as much as the day I bought it, so I'd say, yeah, Treasure. > You could also buy Treasure, because it's just as good, but I really > like Treasure the best. And then, there's Treasure, which is worth > picking up if you're spending that kind of money, so flip a coin > between Treasure and Treasure. Or, you could try Treasure, and build > your collection from there, but make sure that Treasure is the corner- > stone of your CT collection. Btw, did I ever mention that I really, > really, REALLY, **REALLY** ***LOVE*** _Treasure_? _Treasure_ is the only CT CD I still don't have. I even bought the singles box before it. I don't know why. I just never seem to pick it up. Now I feel like I might be missing out on something wonderful. Perhaps I'll be purchasing another CD sooner than I had anticipated. Well, off to bed for some much needed sleep... Stuart __________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu "I need more things. I need more money. Don't want to work. Want things for free." - Jane Siberry __________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:30:10 +0100 From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: Re: The Zen Kiss >>>>> "PS" == Philip Sainty writes: PS> I listened to most of Sheila Chandra's new album "The Zen Kiss", and PS> was intrigued... (I haven't any of her other albums) PS> The "Speaking In Tongues" tracks gave me problems on first listen... PS> (they're mostly percussive, but using only her voice - lots of short PS> and rapid sounds) They were definitely interesting, but I wasn't PS> sure whether I'd wish to hear them often, or if repeated listens PS> would find me liking it... Does anyone else have comments on this? I'd only heard Monsoon's Third Eye before, a few years ago. What amazed me was the degree of _control_ she has over her voice. By the end of Speaking in Tongues 3 my jaw was somewhere in the carpet; how ever does she manage the speed of articulation with such precision? As to repeated listenings? I've only had it a week, and I've not had time to listen to anything much, but I think it may not suit every occasion. PS> I quite liked the rest of the album I think... It is almost PS> completely vocal as I remember, and she has a wonderful voice! Absolutely, although I'm still less than convinced about the amount of digital delay used in some places. Maybe this is just because I haven't heard any of her material between this and the Monsoon album, and I'm missing the evolution between. PS> "Woman and Child" was... unexpected I think sums it up best :) very PS> direct and evocative imagery... Indeed. So direct that some people might find it uncomfortable or embarrassing. That's their problem, I say :) One thing puzzles me, though. What is the conjunction of Uranus and Neptune (during which the album was recorded) supposed to signify? I'm not too hot on this astrology lark, so I wasn't aware there had been any significant research into the effects of these planets (discovered in the 18th & 19th centuries, resp.) Hope all the [^a-zA-Z] characters are in the right places! (I wish I could remember perfectly the ``She was a woman of letters'' section of Iain Banks' _The Bridge_ so I could quote it here.) i,n. ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 11:17:09 BST Subject: Re: The Zen Kiss I haven't got my copy yet :-( If you want to sample Sheila's amazing vocals without shelling out on the whole album I recommend checking out one of the Virgin 21st birthday CDs - only UKP1.99 and you not only get Sheila Chandra but Sam Phillips and quite a few besides. tim PS I've welded Martinis & Bikinis into my CD player. For the uninitiated I haven't got some weird kind of fetish but Sam Phillips new album!! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 10:15:08 -0500 From: dnb@meshugge.media.mit.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Subject: Re: The Zen Kiss, Cocteau Twins Q, and a hullo :) At 11:31 PM 6/23/94, WretchAwry wrote: >Philip quizzes: >> The "Speaking In Tongues" tracks gave me problems on first listen... >> (they're mostly percussive, but using only her voice - lots of short >> and rapid sounds) They were definitely interesting, but I wasn't sure >> whether I'd wish to hear them often, or if repeated listens would find >> me liking it... Does anyone else have comments on this? > >I don't have Zen Kiss yet, so I don't know how it compares. I too am >only able to take the Speaking In Tongues songs in small doses, but >her other songs more than make up. I don't know if people realize this, but those short and rapid sounds are tabla bols (tabla is the North Indian Classical percussion, bols is "sounds" or strokes, they are phonetic representations of certain strokes on the tabla). If she were an adept tabla player, she should be able to repeat everything she speaks out loud, note for note, on the tabla. They're an essential learning and communication tool in the study of tabla. There are actually long traditional compositions composed for just tabla, but I'm not certain if she is reciting them or something more improvisational. These tracks might be a little more interesting if you could hear them played as well as spoken. Anyone know if she actually plays tabla? Peace, dNb P.S. Source: I've just started studying tabla myself. --- David N. Blank-Edelman o/ \ / \ / / \o M.I.T. Media Laboratory /# ##o # o## #\ E15-473F, (617) 253-2169 / \ / \ /o\ / |\ / \ ======================================================================== Subject: Re: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 11:33:14 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu > > >Joe Zitt is absolutely correct. "This Is The Picture/Excellent Birds" >was indeed recorded by Peter and Laurie *especially* for the special >_Good Morning Mr Orwell_ which was aired the morning of January 1, 1984. > >It was a collaboration, and then later both artists put their own versions >on their own albums. Peter's is *not* a "remake" and never was. I still don't understand why Gabriel's version (and indeed Laurie Anderson's, it now turns out) of "Excellent Birds" is not a remake, if it's not the original. Is the TWS version of "Wuthering Heights" not a remake of the original from TKI? Confused, Jeff ======================================================================== From: Ethan Straffin Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 09:25:05 -0700 Subject: Re: This Is The Picture Of Excellent Birds Jeff sez: >I still don't understand why Gabriel's version (and indeed Laurie >Anderson's, it now turns out) of "Excellent Birds" is not a remake, if it's >not the original. Well, I guess it's a matter of your definitions. To me, "cover" and "remake" are virtually synonymous terms, and you can't exactly cover a song you co-wrote. At most, I guess I'd call a later version a "re-recording" or "reinterpretation," but I'd probably just call it a different version. >Is the TWS version of "Wuthering Heights" not a remake of the original from >TKI? Of course not. We all know that Kate's "Wuthering Heights" was a Pat Benatar cover. :) BTW, thanks to everyone who has sent me birthday wishes! *HUG* *GUH* Ethan ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 1994 12:44:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Remakes/Covers *I* think we've a semantics problem here. Technically, I suppose, PG's and LA's album versions of the song are BOTH remakes, though when I usually hear the word remake, I think of someone doing a (chronologically) newer version of *someone else's* song. It needn't be terribly original, just temporally later. A cover, in fact, is how I've begun referring to such a recording. Nothing new and exciting, just the same lyrics, music, arrangement done by someone else. Examples: Leonard Cohen's version of Always (originally by Irving Berlin?) definitely a *remake* in a truly exciting (subjectively) sense of the word. Hall and Oates' version of Family Man (originally by Mike Oldfield) definitely a *cover* in a truly boring sense of the word... Not that the song is boring, but after hearing the original and then the cover, I'm given to wonder, "Why'd they even bother!?" (Note the punctuation within the quotes, where *I* prefer to put them, as they are a part of what was spoken.) PG's version of Excellent birds....idunno....a *revisiting*? Thankyou and goodnight. Chris ======================================================================== From: Alain.Lachapelle@167-290-33.hexacom.com (Alain Lachapelle) Date: 24 Jun 94 10:03:10 -0500 Subject: Gentle Giant bourland@netcom.com writes: > This brings up one of those odd pairings. I once went to see > Gentle Giant at the Hollywood Bowl, where they were opening act for > Black Sabbath. Yes indeed an odd pairing. Must've been real strange! Gentle Giant were very well known here in Quebec, playing yearly concerts with an average 15,000+ audience at the Montreal Forum. Opening acts were Quebecois progrock groups. Once, they played at the same stadium as P. Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" concert, with Pollen (a Quebecois progrock band) and Weather Report (with Jaco Pastorius). The stadium wasn't full, but it was a very good show. They came back later the same year at the Montreal Forum. A new Gentle Giant Live in L.A. is about to come out. And Kerry Minnear (composer and keyboardist/vibraphonist/cellist/singer/guitarist) is thinking about writing again under the Gentle Giant name. You know, Minnear used to write all those nice gentler GG pieces, the ones with the string quartets and so on. I'm looking forward at hearing Minnear's demo tape for upcoming pieces! One of his plans would be to write music until he can't anymore, while a touring band would perform around the world. The guy's a composing genius. Apart from Gary Green, guitarist, and Phil Shulman, horn player, none of the previous members are interested in re-forming GG. Cheers, Alain al@hexacom.com ============================================== ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 24 Jun 94 20:16:03 MET DST From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Incredible exploding aliens across the internet >From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) >Subject: Re: Silly question > >>Since it seems to be possible to make your head explode just by thinking >>the right thoughts, would it be possible to make the whole internet explode >>just by sending the right message through it? > >I'm lost. Are you suggesting that this *hasn't* happened *yet*? I'm lost. Are you suggesting that this *has* happened *already*? >From: Ethan Straffin >Subject: Re: One alien has come... > >Gotta love sendmail, dontcha? I particularly like the bit where it gets >hopelessly wedged and interprets parts of the message body as candidates for >the From: and (in your case) Cc: headers -- I was just reading about that in >_The UNIX Hater's Guide_ or somesuch. Did it also say how the subject line could have been created? "Subject: Re: DESIRE nuclear group proposal: evaluating functions (Based on: J. Treur [a name], "Declarative descriptions of 6 Sep 14 Jan Heuvel [another name] (66) sign of life" Actually, this makes a lot of sense. DESIRE is a language for formal specification of intelligent reasoning systems. Evaluating functions, which should actually be read as "functions evaluating", seems to be a reference to computers (a computer is a mechanical implementation of a function which is evaluating). The proposal I wrote made possible a completely declarative description of an intelligent reasoning system using evaluating functions. The number 66 is of course 42 (the answer to life, the universe, and everything) when interpreted in base 6, which makes a lot of sense, because we seem to use base 6 and 10 mixed when specifying times. So, what actually happened is that aliens have been listening to the noise generated by our computer systems, and decided that there is intelligent life on this planet. That's why they sent us this message. :-) >Be sure to let us know when you find out if this willems@cs.vu.nl guy is >really an alien! I had lunch with him today, but didn't notice anything unusual *yet*. >Ethan Thanks for all the happity birthday wishes! I received them a little late (I'm on digests), but they were very much appreciated. Albert ======================================================================== Date: 24 Jun 94 15:22:42 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Milla's Lyrics |16-Jun-94 17:34:11-GMT,1376;000000000211 |From: Rithrian@aol.com |To: WretchAwry |Date: Wed, 15 Jun 94 09:11:40 EDT |Subject: Milla | |Since you seem interested, and since RDT didn't seem the best venue: |Here's what TIME magazine had to say about Milla: Issue: 4/25/94. | |** |PEOPLE | |BY GINIA BELLAFANTE | |The Divine Miss M [cool article deleted] | |Just a public "Milla" service. : ) | |Angela |------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- | |I really have to get to know Milla's lyrics better. I would like to call your attention to one song, in particular, which is probably just about my favorite on the album, due to its directness and metaphor and wedding of poignant lyric to perfect musical and melodic accompaniment: Clock. This is a very simple lyric, but the description goes a long way: Clock (Milla) I'm locked in a box with a window and a clock Sometimes I can't sleep, I watch the second hand feeding Time is ticking, ticking and the flowers are dripping, dripping I am awake and I cannot sleep All hail to the madman, great murderer, great Aryan Take all that you need, take my life, my song, my breed Fires are burning, burning, my people are yearning, yearning I'm locked away to defy and die Time is getting colder and I'm getting older, older Where is the face that I knew before? I wonder aloud what Milla's ethnic background is. Almost certainly, the great Aryan must be Hitler (ys). The box could be a concentration camp or a ghetto or maybe I'm taking this too literally and she is talking from present day pov instead? Is this song about the holocaust? The third to last line above makes me think of Soviet refuseniks who were locked in jail for years for defying the regime and denied exit visas. Could the song, in general be about the plight of the Jewish people? Is she Jewish? Of course I am coming at this from a totally biased point of view, because these are the images this song conjures up for me -- which is why I'd like to see what you'all think this song means and what the message is. Either way, the chorus is the catchiest thing this side of the common cold. Brilliant. And if she wrote it when she was 16 she already has alot in common with Kate! -mjm ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)