Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1150 ecto, Number 1150 Thursday, 23 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Excellent Birds Ecto classified ads -- 20 Jun 1994 Re: Seeking opinions... Today's your birthday friend.... replies to pretty much every thread going on now Re: Laurie anderson discography? Re: Seeking opinions... Re: replies to pretty much every thread going on now United States Live Re: replies to pretty much every thread going on now Now Toronto too??? Iris, Rebecca & Zap Mama (Swoon!) ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Excellent Birds Date: Wed, 22 Jun 94 23:41:41 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Chris Sampson writes: >I don't think I'd describe Peter Gabriel's version of Excellent >Birds as a *remake*, anymore than I'd describe either Robert Wyatt's or >Elvis Costello's version of Shipbuilding that way....they were >collaborative efforts which appeared on an album by each of the involved >persons, and were done differently....To me, remake, suggests that one >person had the initial rights to it..... Okay, now my opinion: The first time around, Gabriel guested on Anderson's album. The second time around, Anderson guested on Gabriel's album. Because they *both* had a hand in both versions, I view the latter as a remake (*not* a cover). And remember, the version on _So_ has a slightly different name..."This is the Picture" (with 'excellent birds' listed as sort of a subtitle). Jeff (who feels that "I'll Gather Flowers" by Moon Seven Times is a remake of Area's "I'll Gather Flowers", since it's performed by two of the three songwriters) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 21:46:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Burks Subject: Ecto classified ads -- 20 Jun 1994 ECTO CLASSIFIED ADS 20 Jun 1994 Editor -- Doug Burks [dbx@hebron.connected.com] Please check your ads and send me any changes, additions, or deletions! For full information, see the classified FAQ, available from the editor. >>>> MUSIC WANTED CD's wanted [for a start :) ] for trade or purchase: any by Pamela Golden (except for _Happens All the Time_) any by Area any by Moon Seven Times (except for _Moon Seven Times_) any by Gyan Contact: Doug Burks [dbx@hebron.connected.com] 6 Mar 94 Manfred Mann's Earth Band -- I Who Have Nothing (single). For purchase or trade. I'd even be happy with a tape dub! Contact: Klaus Kluge [klaus@inphobos.wupper.de] 16 Feb 94 CD's wanted (for trade or purchase) Bel Canto - any cd singles with non-lp tracks Cranes - Inescapable (cd single) Earwig - any cd singles with non-lp tracks Innocence Mission - any cd singles with non-lp tracks Margot Smith - Adored (cd single) Tribe - Here at Home, Joyride (cd single), Payphone (cd single) Contact: Art Liestman [art@cs.sfu.ca] 22 Feb 94 CD's wanted for purchase or trade: Robyn Hitchcock - _I Often Dream of Trains_ Contact: Emily Breed [emilyb@netcom.com] 1 Mar 94 Music wanted: Devils Wielding Scimitars -- either album. Can use more than one of each...I have some desparate friends as well! CD's Brenda Kahn -- _Goldfish Don't Talk Back_ (CD preferred) Contact: Dennis G Parslow [p00421@psilink.com] 20 May 94 CD copy of Sinead O'Connor's UK single version of "The Emperor's New Clothes." This single also has two mixes of "I Am Stretched On Your Grave" (which is what I'm *really* anxious to get). Contact: Sam Warren [I_SW@zis.ziff.com] 17 Jun 94 >>>> MUSIC AVAILABLE Happy Rhodes albums available for sale or trade: Contact: [your name would look nice here! :) ] Tape dubbing project. Cassette tapes: miscellany related to Happy Rhodes, various samplers, and Ecto projects, available for sale (or possibly trade). Contact: Doug Burks [dbx@hebron.connected.com] 6 Feb 94 Duplicates availlable for trade (preferred) or sale: _Cherish the Day_ -- Sade (CD single with 4 different versions (sade remix short version, sade remix long version, ronin remix, pal joey remix)) _Crucify_ -- Tori Amos (CD single, standard German vs. with Crucify (remix), Here. in my head, Mary and Crucify (LP vers.), still shrink- wrapped) _Human Behaviour_ -- bjork (CD single with 5 different versions (Original, "Close To Human", Underworld Mix, Dom T. Mix, Bassheads Edit), still shrink-wrapped) _Worldstars for Freedom_ -- various artists (CD with PG&KB's Don't Give Up as well as 14 other titles by other artists, track listing available on request) _The Kick Inside_ -- Kate Bush (US LP (SW-17003), country&western cover, mint except for a bit of price sticker glue) _Sat In Your Lap/Lord Of The Reedy River_ -- Kate Bush (NL 7", not mint, ask) _Rocket Man/Candle In The Wind_ -- Kate Bush (7" poster sleeve, mint) Contact: Uli Grepel [uli@zoodle.robin.de] 17 Apr 94 _Y Kan't Tori Read_ Good quality tape copies of my CD. For costs (tape+ postage). Or I'll trade tapes. Contact: Uli Grepel [uli@zoodle.robin.de] 10 Feb 94 Y Kant Tori Read - Good quality copies onto cassette (Dolby B or C, HX Pro), DAT or MiniDisc. If you live in this part of the world and are after a cassette copy, or if you want a DAT or MD copy, then drop me some mail. Airmail postage for a cassette to the US is about $3 plus packaging (75c), DAT and MD are lighter and probably cheaper. Contact: Anthony Horan [anthony@xymox.apana.org.au] 9 May 94 The following discs are for sale. Email to reserve or query. Kate Bush | Eat the Music single | $4 ppd Kate Bush | Rubberband Girl single | $7 ppd singles from "The Red Shoes" Ingrid Chavez | Elephant Box single | $4 ppd dance-y spoken word remixes Terry Hall | The Collection | $9 A best of from a member of the Specials, Fun Boy Three, The Colourfield Kashtin | Kashtin | $9 ppd Inuit pop (sounds much like Gypsy Kings) Lava Hay | With a Picture in Mind | $9 ppd Female pop duo from Nettwerk in Vancouver, B.C. Maestro Subgum and the Whole | Lost Lost Lost | $8 ppd Jazzy, blusey fun Paw | Jessie single | $3 ppd Slacker rock Sebadoh | Bubble and Scrape | $9 ppd SubPop Sandie Shaw | Nothing Less Than Brilliant single | $4 ppd 4 different songs, inc. a Smiths cover Sun 60 | Only (sealed) | $10 ppd alternative pop Tall Tales and True | Shiver | $4 ppd Aussie Pop Cassell Webb | House of Dreams | $9 ppd Folky, dreamy pop X | Hey Zeus! | $9 ppd Their latest Contact: Neile Graham [neile@u.washington.edu] 16 May 94 Moon Seven Times - 7=49 Removed from the wrapper 74 minutes ago (playing time 73 min's). I would be most grateful to have anyone remove it from my life post haste. Was purchased for $13.95, please make an offer. Contact: Chuck [Kraken123@aol.com] 17 May 94 >>>> ECTO GATHERINGS -- none -- >>>> CONCERT GATHERINGS -- none -- >>>> PERSONAL ANNOUNCEMENTS HAPPY CARDS are business cards that have Happy's name, the Aural Gratification address and her entire CD catalog. They are great to give to people who you want to "convert". :) I am sending 20 of them to anyone who wants them. To get a batch, send me a self addressed stamped envelope (legal size is best) and I'll send them to you. (Foreign members can send an International Reply Coupon.) If I run out of cards, I will have more printed up. Contact: John Sandoval 9015 Thamesmeade Rd #B Laurel, MD 20723 27 Apr 94 Awaiting your submissions as editor, I remain ... Doug Burks _O_ @>->--- dbx@hebron.connected.com |< She really is!! Doug Burks _O_ @>->--- dbx@hebron.connected.com |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 22:28:31 -0700 (PDT) From: David Dixon Subject: Re: Seeking opinions... On Thu, 23 Jun 1994 p.cohen@genie.geis.com wrote: > --Could there EVER be a female Meat Loaf? > > Debbie Iyall from Romeo Void is about the closest I can think of to fitting > the bill. Perfect example of someone whose looks did not hinder the success > of the band. Her voice was so exquisite that nobody cared what she looked > like (and when it comes down to it, that _is_ what it's all about). What a > shame that she hasn't recorded since Romeo Void broke up years ago. Until recently, that is. Romeo Void recently regrouped, and have played a few concerts in the Bay Area in the last year or so. I think they have a new album coming out sometime soon, perhaps this fall. D^2 ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 07:03:24 CET-1 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* *** Teresa VanDyne **** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 3 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 5 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 5 1971 Cancer Jim Gurley Mon July 6 1959 Cancer Courtney Dallas Fri July 9 1971 Cat Michael Peskura Sat July 9 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 9 1966 Cancer Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Jun 1994 23:18:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: replies to pretty much every thread going on now Hi! So who all is going to be at this Sarah/Milla shindig in Boston on Saturday? We should all arrange to somehow get together. (I'll be wearing my ecto shirt, so I won't be too hard to find... :) Send direct e-mail. Thanks. Now to the replies... fasten your seat belts folks, this is probably going to end up being rather long ... Cathy (of the chronic coffee spillage problem) reported: >Sarah was just here in Mpls in May, but I saw an ad in Sunday's paper >that she's coming back August 23. And this time The October Project will >be opening for her! They're opening for her in Detroit too, or so I hear. Let's see, The Story are opening in Central Park on 7/9... and I'm not sure how this Boston thing is organized, but it would make sense for The Story to be there as well... I wonder who's opening in Red Bank on 7/10? (Yes, I'm going to that show, too. And yes, I am obsessed. Do you have a problem with that? :) >We told the ticket >guy we were close personal friends of Sarah's (he wasn't sure if we were >kidding or not since he didn't know who Sarah was -- he asked if she was >from around here...I told him no, but that I'd stood next to her at the >Loring Bar (I didn't recognize her then although we exchanged hellos...)). ??? Have you shared this story with us before? Yes or no, please elaborate! Anthony reminisced: >An Australian band called Cold Chisel, usually quite a loud pub-rock band, >released a song back in the early 80's called "Flame Trees" (just covered, by >the way, by the wonderful and femalevocalising Killjoys); when this song came >out as a single, they censored the word "bullshit" in it despite the fact >that even then radio was quite willing to play it uncut. The censoring was >done by reversing the vocal track for that word, resulting in the immortal >line: > >"Ah, who needs that sentimental bweeshinneahb any way?" :-) That reminds me of a song by a band I can't remember the name of who did a song I also can't remember the name of, the oft-repeated chorus of which was, "Hollywood ladies/ son of a bitch" and contained most of the other six of the Seven Deadly Words. It also happened to be quite popular at WFIT in Melbourne, Florida, back when it was a good (and rather influential) college radio station. One of the MDs took the song and turned each Naughty Word neatly backwards, with a very interesting end result -- half the song was sung backwards! It was hysterically funny. "Hollywood ladies, son of a tchib!" :> Vickie said: > Funnyfunnyfunny, why am I the only one on the planet (HRfan-wise) > who does not really care for "Wrong Century"? I'm rather ambivalent about it. I don't *not* like it, but you won't find it on any of my Happy Samplers, either. I don't mind Mitch Elrod's vocals, though. In fact, the psychobabble in the middle is actually one of the high points of the song for me. (And one of my favorite works by Cage is "Aria With Fontana Mix", too. So shoot me. :) > I'm certainly missing > something :) but I tend to cringe when I see that someone has put > that song on a sampler tape ("The Issue Is" too) and *never* would > have become a Happy fan if I'd heard that song first. I'm also ambivalent about "The Issue Is". I agree with Jeffy that the live version blows the socks off of the one on the album, though. And I like both versions of "Oh The Drears", which is one of my all-time fave Happy tunes. The live version of "I'm Not Awake, I'm Not Asleep" makes the studio version almost unlistenable for me, it's so amazing... The only Happy song I can unequivocally say I absolutely *cannot* stand is "He's Alive". I automatically program it out whenever I put in the CD, and didn't even put it on my tape dub of Rhodes I, to save trouble. IMO it never should have been recorded, in-studio recording lesson or no. But I'm already well aware that that's just me. :) Jeffy defended the faith: >You're *insane*. "Lost" is no worse than *any* of the mindboggling >single-word-titled songs on _Solace_ : "Terms," "Lost," "Home," "Shelter," >"Mercy" (I think I'll leave "Black" off the list--it's great live, but I've >never been crazy about the studio version). I *love* the male vocals on >it, and I love the contrast of Sarah's voice to them. Wish I had >a copy of _Solace_ with me in the lab today. Well, we all know where I stand on _Solace_. I will agree that "Terms" and "Home" are pretty powerful, however... the live version of "Home" from the current tour is one of the few songs in recent memory to literally leave me speechless, dumbfounded and utterly awestruck. I was undecided about driving up to Boston to see Sarah this weekend until I put on my tape of the Hartford show this evening... I *must* experience this song live again, and soon. (And in Hartford Sarah was sick, so her voice was relatively shot, yet still... sigh...) Ethan noted: >I'm not too nuts about any of these songs (although "Terms" is okay). It >does seem that Sarah fans are sharply divided over what parts of _Solace_ are >best, doesn't it? :) It's going to go down as one of the Great Ongoing Debates, for sure. Kjetil spelled it all out for us: >Meredith Tarr (wow -- it looks so unfamiliar now when I spell it out) Looks familiar enough to me! :> >claims that "Go Van Gogh" and "Gogh van Go" are pronounced the same. I >must point out that such a thing could only happen in the USA :-) I realize that. We're such boors. :) >I'm very glad to hear that Meth knows better than the average commentator >when it comes to _my_ name, though :-) :-) Couldn't have done it without your able instruction a few months back... >WRT "Wrong Century": Is it only me that am reminded of Einar (in the >Sugarcubes) by Mitch' vocals? I think they are _perfect_. Those of you >who don't like WC so much, how do you feel about Einar (and for that >matter Fred in the B-52's)? I think Einar should be shot. The best thing about Bjork's solo album was the fact that Einar wasn't on it. I love the Sugarcubes, but each song that he's in (which is, unfortunately, pretty much all of them) has a certain annoyance factor which is 100% related to his presence therein. I think it's interesting that their biggest "hit", if you will, was "Birthday", one of the few songs on which he is nowhere to be heard... And I don't mind Fred Schneider. I like Kate Pierson's voice better, but Fred's cute in his own nerdy way. "Rock Lobster" would be nothing without him. Mitch explained: >WRT Kjetil's query: David Mamet's _Oleanna_ is actually a play about sexual >harassment. As best I can recall what was reported in one review, the title >is an allusion to a song popular either among Scandinavian immigrants to the >U.S. in the early part of this century, or in the old country at the same time, >or both; it was some kind of ode to freedom. So *that's* where it's from! I've been trying to figure that out ever since I saw the play at the Yale Rep last fall. (It was also, imho, one of the worst plays I've ever seen. The performances and staging were fine, they just had shit to work with. Mamet has done so much better than this... I went in expecting the brilliance of _Glengarry Glen Ross_, and got 90 minutes of PC pseudo-intellectual multisyllabic drivel clearly written with no goal in mind except to hear his characters talk. But that's a rant for another time. :) Wayne opined: >By this are you asking if there can be such a thing as a heavyset female >performer? If this is the case, than I definitely think someone like Alison >Moyet would be the female counterpart to Meat Loaf. I've never seen a picture of Alison Moyet (aside from album covers) and haven't see a video either, so I had no idea that she's overweight... interesting. Stuart solved: >The group is Romeo Void. The song is "Never Say Never." I *think* the lead >singer's name is Deborah Iyall. :) I loved those guys. Talk about a weird bunch of folks... Revvie stated: >I happen to find Loreena McKennet very attractive. Also, Kate >Bush, Jane Siberry (did you see the cover of Mondo 2000), And Judy >collins is magnificent. Then there's Natalie Merchant, The lead singer >from Innocence Mission (can't recall her name off hand but I saw her in >concert and she was EXTREMELY attractive). Karen Peris. And if you've indeed seen Innocence Mission live, then I hate you. ;) >And I don't find Madonna particularly attractive. Give me Sandra >Bernhard ANY time.... Madonna's a dog. Like, woof. (I'm going to get hate mail from Valerie soon, I can feel it...) She doesn't even approach the canine quality of Sandra Bernhard, however... ick! Different tastes, I guess... John noted: >I don't think Johnette is bad looking at all. In fact, I find her quite >attractive, in an undefineable way. She does look more worn now than she did >when I first saw her many years ago, but I was taken with her then and I still >am. Oh, I agree with you totally. The first time I saw her was in the "God Is A Bullet" video, and I thought she was pretty cute there. >I'm in complete agreement with you here (though personally, I don't find >Tori attractive :) ). ??? I fail to understand this one. But as I said, different tastes... sure, her ears stick out at 90 degree angles from her head, but that's really her only flaw in my eyes, and besides, she wears her hair to disguise it. (Am I strange for thinking this?) >I'm one who thinks Happy is pretty. I'm two (of many, I'm sure). Hers is not the conventional Hollywood beauty, but she's very striking. Photos just do *not* do her justice. (I've been trying to convince my mom for a long time that Happy really is pretty, but all she has to go on is the cover of _Warpaint_, so she doesn't believe me.) Josh gratiated: >Thanks, everybody, for indulging my curiosity on this topic (especially >since it looks like it was already covered on gaffa and rdt...oops). Don't worry about that. I don't think it's been covered on rdt, but surely if it were, it would degenerate quickly into a mindless flamewar. Like the discussion on .gaffa often seems to do... At least here, it remains a real *discussion* (and a mighty amusing one at that). But to make this thread a bit more fair and even-sided, let me just point out that I think the lead singer for Gin Blossoms is *really* cute, as is the lead singer for Live, especially when he's got his little wire-rimmed spectacles on. :) Michael Stipe wasn't too bad 10 years ago, either... And Bela Fleck, besides being god, is positively adorable. I wanna take him home. :) Jeffy reported: >Tori was just on a local morning talk show called _Broadcast House Live_. Eeeep! Anybody else out there manage to tape this? Off to feed the cats... Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 02:36:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Damon Harper Subject: Re: Laurie anderson discography? Wow, I guess I already have/have heard/have seen/have heard of all of laurie's albums then :) I was kinda hoping there were more. Now to go about acquiring them :) re the united states set... what's the story behind so much music? I heard vaguely somewhere that she had some sort of television programme at one point...? *HUGS* Damon -- ]*[ -- "Days go by endlessly, endlessly pulling you into the future." - Laurie Anderson, "White Lily" /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ ( Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca X nomad@kazak.nmsu.edu X nomad@helix.net ) \_____________________________/ \______________________/ \_________________/ ======================================================================== From: guetzlaf@rhea.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Subject: Re: Seeking opinions... Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 7:50:25 CDT I said: > Typical, nothing good to say. ;-) Our mailer went na-na, so I apologize for the empty post. Come to think of it, I'm not even sure *this* will get posted. Ah well, here goes... -- Cathy ======================================================================== From: guetzlaf@rhea.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Subject: Re: replies to pretty much every thread going on now Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 8:11:57 CDT Meredith notices my offhand comment about Sarah's last visit: >>...but that I'd stood next to her at the >>Loring Bar (I didn't recognize her then although we exchanged hellos...)). I've told this story to a couple of ectophiles but frankly was a bit too embarrassed to tell the whole world I didn't recognize Sarah. Last time she was in town, she played at The Guthrie Theatre which is across and up the street from the Loring Bar. Carla and I wanted to stop at the Loring for some killer artichoke ramekin and a glass of wine before the concert. We were there plenty early, and while Carla was trolling about for a table, Sarah came wandering out of another room, walked over to where I was standing, and smiled. I thought she looked familiar, but the way she was dressed was pretty much the way everyone dresses here, so I thought I'd probably just seen her around. She had on a nondescript rust colored sweater and jeans, and wool socks and birkenstocks, and her hair was pulled back. She was also much smaller than I thought she'd be, having only seen her perform on TV. Anyway, we kept exchanging smiles, and all the time I'm trying to place her. She seemed to know that I knew she was *someone* by the look on my face, and she was mildly amused by that. Carla finally came back and we went and sat down, at which point it hit me that that was Sarah I was standing with. I jumped up and went back to where she'd been, only to see her outside walking back towards the Guthrie with a guy (turned out to be Dave Kershaw). I guess I could have run screaming after her but decided that wouldn't fit the image of Minnesota Nice. Probably just as well I didn't really talk to her, I would have just stood there saying 'Duuuuuhhhhh'. So this time around, Sarah is at the State Theatre downtown. We're already scheming about where the band may go before the show so we can be there too. We've a few more choices this time although the restaurants in the immediate vicinity frown on birkenstocks. The gay bar across the street doesn't. ;-) So that's the tale of my brush with greatness. -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@cray.com ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:12:37 -0400 (EDT) From: WAYNEPALMER@delphi.com Subject: United States Live >re the united states set... what's the story behind so much music? I >heard vaguely somewhere that she had some sort of television >programme at one point...? >*HUGS* > Damon United States Part 1 to 4 was from material done during 1979 and 1980. What makes up the 5 album set was performed in it's entirety in New York, London & Zurich. The recording itself was done at the Brooklyn Academy of Music from Feb 7-10 in 1980. She did smaller versions of the show around the US and Europe that contained some of what makes up Unites States. I did see her during one of the smaller shows. Would have loved to have been able to see the B.A.M. show. I will say Brooklyn Academy of Music is one of the best places to see her(say her there during the Strange Angels tour). I also had a friend who had gotten invitations to the filming of the Home of the Brave filming. Unfortunately I ended up sick as a dog the day of the filming and couldn't go. *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* | Wayne A. Palmer *Ye Olde Florence Train Station* waynepalmer.delphi.com | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WXPN-Music That Needs to be Heard <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< | *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:26:16 -0500 (EST) From: "I'll be here, I'll be ecto..." Subject: Re: replies to pretty much every thread going on now Meredith stated: >John noted: >>I don't think Johnette is bad looking at all. In fact, I find her quite >>attractive, in an undefineable way. She does look more worn now than she did >>when I first saw her many years ago, but I was taken with her then and I still >>am. >Oh, I agree with you totally. The first time I saw her was in the "God Is A >Bullet" video, and I thought she was pretty cute there. My personal favorite video is "Scene of a Perfect Crime". I think she looks great in those old West style clothes. :) >>I'm in complete agreement with you here (though personally, I don't find >>Tori attractive :) ). >??? I fail to understand this one. But as I said, different tastes... sure, >her ears stick out at 90 degree angles from her head, but that's really her >only flaw in my eyes, and besides, she wears her hair to disguise it. (Am I >strange for thinking this?) Of course you're strange for thinking it. :) Actually, part of what I don't like about Tori (all, IMHO of course) is her hair. Is that red her natural color? There's just something about her face that doesn't click for me, though I can't really describe it. Beauty is the most difficult thing for me to describe... :) >>I'm one who thinks Happy is pretty. >I'm two (of many, I'm sure). Hers is not the conventional Hollywood beauty, >but she's very striking. Photos just do *not* do her justice. (I've been >trying to convince my mom for a long time that Happy really is pretty, but >all she has to go on is the cover of _Warpaint_, so she doesn't believe me.) Have you tried showing her any of the photos from RhodeSongs? I think a couple of the ones taken from the live show are stunning. She really is a strikingly beautiful woman. In more ways than one... :) John ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Jun 1994 09:43:14 -0500 (EST) From: "I'll be here, I'll be ecto..." Subject: Now Toronto too??? As some of you may remember, Jenn and I are taking a road trip this weekend to Buffalo,Syracuse and Cooperstown. I've gotten some great tips on good record stores (thanks to everyone, you know who you are :) ) and I'm hoping to come back with plenty of new stuff. But, we are now considering driving up to Toronto from Buffalo because 1) I've never been to Canada, 2) Toronto seems like a nice place :), and 3) because it's there. :) I do have a few questions (I'm sure you saw that coming...) 1) Where are some good record stores in Toronto? One of the things that I'm questing for on this trip is the 2 CD's from Kate's boxed set that have all the singles. 2) What are the laws with respect to bringing stuff back across the border? I know Mexico's laws, but I have a feeling Canada is a bit different... 3) Would the easiest way to pay for anything be by credit card? Or should we exchange some US currency? (As you can probably tell, I'm NOT an international traveller... :) ). Thanks again to the Ectophiles who helped to point me to places in the Syracuse-Rochester-Buffalo region (especially you Josh :) ). I hope someone can help me with Toronto now... Oh, we are leaving at 4 pm tomorrow, so if you can't get back to me before then, don't worry about it. Take care everyone, John ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 23 Jun 94 9:57:02 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Iris, Rebecca & Zap Mama (Swoon!) I'm knocked out! Within the space of a few hours I had 3 orgasmic musical experiences. First, we went to see Zap Mama at the Ravinia Festival, 2nd, Iris DeMent performed live on the Leno show, and 3rd, Rebecca Pidgeon performed on Conan's show. I had set a VCR for Leno, but luckily we got home early (thanks for the ride Chip!) because Leno and Conan were delayed by the NBA Finals (congratulations Houston! Sorry NYC) so I wouldn't have gotten either performance if we'd been out-of-town or something. Iris performed "My Life" just sitting at the piano, with no other accompaniment. It's not my favorite song on the album, but it has a simple power of its own, and since Iris and her music can move me to tears, I loved it anyway. The song was shortened :-(, and it's too bad Leno didn't interview Iris (not suprising) though she was sitting next to him at the end and he told her he liked the song. Iris seemed nervous and hesitant, and shy (she never looked into the camera) but that's understandable. Although the performance gave me chills, I wonder a bit what people who've never heard Iris thought. It may be silly, but I feel very protective toward Iris, in the same way I am about Victoria Williams. Just the thought that someone watching it might think "this sucks" and turn the channel hurts a bit. I wouldn't expect any Ectophile to say "this sucks" but if anyone didn't like it, please be kind about expresing it :-) However, if anyone who saw it liked it but doesn't have the album, run, don't walk, to the nearest record store and get _My Life_ and listen to it many, many times. It's a wonder to behold, if the listener's ears, head and heart are open to it. Just on the basis of one song, I'd also say the same thing about Rebecca Pidgeon's album _The Raven_ (Conan showed the CD) and will be getting a copy myself as soon as I can. Her song was *wonderful*!!! Obviously, I don't know the name of the song (snatches of lyrics "I wondered about you" and "when daddy say he gotta go") but it was very "June Tabor-ish", dark and mesmerising. Rebecca accompanied herself on guitar and was backed up by a pianist, upright bassist, subdued drummer and 2 backup singers. Her voice didn't have the Celtic lilt that was very evident in her Ruby Blue days, but she used unusual inflections and interesting vocal rhythms. I have a feeling that the name Rebecca Pidgeon will become an often-seen one in the pages of Ecto. I hope so, anyway :). The biggest problem with talking about Ruby Blue is that their albums were never easily available, outside the UK, anyway. We gushers have had the same problem with Eddi Reader and Mary Coughlin's albums. Now that Rebecca has a solo album that is almost certainly released in the USA (and hopefully Canada and elsewhere) she'll get wider exposure. I just now watched the performance again, and Conan says "my next guest began her music career in the late 80s, while a member of Britian's Royal National Theater Company. Here to perform a song from her American debut album, _The Raven_, is Rebecca Pidgeon." Cool! The night started with seeing Zap Mama at Ravinia. I'd always associated Ravinia with classical and jazz music, and so (duck!) never really paid that much attention to it. After 4 years of living in Chicago, it took Zap Mama to finally get us to go there. The festival itself lasts for a couple(few?) weeks, with performers every night. To our suprise, it turned out to be *extremely* easy to get to for us. (Our not having a car was another deterrent. We just assumed that it would be a nightmare to get to without one). We took the Metra train (4 blocks away from our house) and it stopped, literally, a half-block away from Ravinia! The setting is beautiful, with lots of shade trees, and the "thing to do" is to take blankets and picnic stuffies, and have one. We even saw many people who had raised tables with tablecloths and candles. It looked to us that there were two main music areas, an open-air, but covered stage, with seats under the covered area, and an enclosed, air-conditioned theater. Zap Mama played in the enclosed theater. Those who bought lawn tickets weren't completely out-of-luck, because the concert was broadcast over many speakers located all around the park. We were inside though, and I'm glad. Zap Mama has to be seen to fully appreciate their live show. *Why*, however, is hard to explain. They started singing while offstage, and come out onto the stage holding up large pieces of fabric in front of them so the singers were completely obscured. It was quite a sight, hearing those incredible voices coming from very colorful...fabric :-). Beyond the 5 singer's voices, the only things onstage were the bits of fabric, used in many various ways throughout the show, a bench and the few instruments used, a gourd, some shakers and a few small things that we were too far away to see clearly. The singers of Zap Mama have amazing voices and use them in so many different ways that it sometimes sounded as if there were 20 people on stage. They are serious about their music, but have a terrific sense of humor and their vocal and stage antics had the audience laughing many times during the show. You could tell that these women really like each other and love what they're doing. One of the highlights of the show was an entire song dedicated to introducing each singer. One of the singers, Marie Afonso, sang in various styles while the others danced and hummed behind, and she used each vocal style (at one point gospel-ish, for instance) to lead up to each introduction. As each was introduced and while the audience was applauding, the others would drape and decorate the introduced woman with their own piece of fabric (which I'm sure has a name, but I don't know it) thus sharing pieces of themselves with each other. All the while, singing was still going on. It was fun, powerful, unusual and effective. The sound was amamamamazzz-ing-ing-ing, with the only visible microphones being a cluster hanging from the ceiling, though at one point, they used traditional microphones as instruments. Each used her microphone in a different way...one pounded hers as percussion, another zipped hers across her plastic, textured hat, while another rubbed the microphone on her buttons...it was very strange and interesting, though I can't imagine what the people outside were thinking :). If anyone else saw this show, or another Zap Mama show, and has better powers of description than I do, I'd love to hear another take of their concert. All I can really say is that if Zap Mama come *anywhere near* where you are, GO SEE THEM!! It will be an experience you won't soon forget, even if you can't describe it :). I've typed in the page in the Ravinia program guide, and here it is: ZAP MAMA Marie Daulne Sabine Kabongo Sally Nyolo Marie Afonso Sylvie Nawasadio Afro-European quintet Zap Mama is a vibrant group of women singers who perform a rich a capella belnd of songs, sung mostly in French, from African Pygmy chants to Spanish madrigals, _Spin_ magazine said of the group's unique sound, "It's so organic that there's a natural beauty and grace that promotes cultural understanding without pandering or preaching." Founded in 1990 by Marie Daulne, the Belgium-based ensemble first gained exposure in the United States as the opening act for 10,000 Maniacs last year. In 1993, Zap Mama's debut album _Adventures In Afropea_, was released in the United States. It commanded the number-one position on _Billboard's_ Top Adult Alternative chart for 11 consecutive weeks and, according to the magazine, was the best-selling "world music" album of the year. An extensive round of international touring followed, and the group was the subject of a 1991 award-winnning BBC documentary, _Mizike Mama_. Marie Daulne was born in Zaire in the early '60 of a Zairean mother and a Belgian father (who was killed in the rebellion that followed Zaire's independence in 1960). Daulne was still an infant when her family hid from the rebels among a Pygmy tribe in the African jungle. Daulne's mother was eventually able to move the family to stay with her husband's relatives in Belgium . While growing up, Daulne learned both traditional African songs and Catholic chorals. Since there was no money for instruments, she formed an a capella group with her brothers and sisters. At age 22, Daulne returned to Zaire to meet the Pygmies who had helped her as a baby. "When I heard them chanting, I suddenly understood the sheer power of the human voice. I knew right then that I wanted to sing too, to convey as much with my voice as I can." Zap Mama was the result of this discovery. "I became interested in the rhythms of the earth--as a Zairean, as a Belgian, as a woman, and as a human being. And singing is my way of uniting all these different tribes." ---------- Zap Mama's new album is _Sabsylma_ (Luaka Bop/Warner Brothers 9 45537) In a musical blissy haze, I remain, Vickie "There is a road straight to my heart, traveled by those with fire..." Happy Rhodes ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)