Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1132 ecto, Number 1132 Wednesday, 8 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Tom Robinson/Gary Numan (new subject)) Heather Nova Bio? Re: waking up, etc. Re: waking up, etc. Bay Area Ecto Gathering? Salmonberries Calling You Re: Salmonberries Re: Tom Robinson, social commentary and "Waking up" (fwd) Calling You & ectos in Edinburgh Re: waking up, etc. The late-night listings Re: Calling You "Eurythmics Live" double-cd - how good? Re: Salmonberries Re: "Eurythmics Live" double-cd - how good? new york area 'philes??? my own private montana Ectofete Re: new york area 'philes??? Ectofete redux Re: Ectofete redux Re: Ectofete redux "For It All" stuff to trade/sell... shopping Ecto Re: The late-night listings UNSUBSCRIBE Re: The late-night listings Re: new york area 'philes??? Heavenly Voices Re: Heavenly Voices ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 06 Jun 1994 15:49:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Warren Subject: Re: Tom Robinson/Gary Numan (new subject)) > Is this the Tom Robinson from the U.K. who is openly gay and had >the hit "Glad to be Gay" in the seventies? > I wish I still had his recordings. Are they available now on CD? Yes, Revvie, same one. I've seen _Power In The Darkness_ (including all the bonus songs) and _TRB TWO_ on CD. I don't have the label information with me but I'll Email you tomorrow if you'd like. > And speaking of not being afraid of taking stands, its nice to be >a part of ecto, where all (so far) I have come into contact were of the >"live and let live" attitude. IMHO, ectophiles are becoming a subculture >of their own; Thats why I have "waking Up' in my signature. The world >may just be waking up - hope its not too late. Ditto, ditto, ditto! Ecto is a wonderful place! By the way, I recall seeing mention of Gary Numan some time back, and I wanted to let the (perhaps the *only*) other fan know that he's got a new single out with a group called "Dadadang." The song is called "Like A Refugee (I Won't Cry)" and is very very nice. It's a bit Irish. If you're anything like me, you may have been considering skipping this purchase (due to past disappointment), but I finally bought it (manic completist that I am) and I'm definately not sorry! -Sam ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 16:38:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Heather Nova Bio? Ilka, (Sorry the rest of you :) I (duh) erased the Heather Nova Biog you sent me a coupla weeks ago....can you send me a new one? Chris Sampson chris@neuron.uchc.edu ======================================================================== From: Mklprc@aol.com Date: Mon, 06 Jun 94 22:13:18 EDT Subject: Re: waking up, etc. Rod L. Bourland writes: > "Ectophile". Which seems to cross generational lines. > (what is this Generation X stuff anyway)? I think we > may have learned from the mistakes One of my favorite little bits of trivia: whence this X stuff, anyway. Although the book "Generation X" by Douglas Coupland is the source of the term being applied to the post-Boomers, it was originally the name of Billy Idol's first band, in the '70s. But he didn't invent it. Billy has a net address (idol@well.sf.ca.us) and I wrote and asked him about it. He posted a barely literate response: "Generation X was the name of an english/scio/pop culture book all about the culture, everythig from eton to bluebeat. It's the cover of the best of GenX, a CD of mine in Europe. The does have an American equavalent. It had opinions from greasers and mods and the upper classes showing the dramtic differences. We thoguth aha, that's us. lyl libido" No, I don't get the "lyl libido" reference; a new net.name perhaps? Anyway, if the book is that old, then the real "Generation X" people would be pushing 40 by now; older than Douglas Coupland would have us think. BTW, Coupland did not mention Idol or the original Generation X book anywhere in his own tome. (This is not to detract from Coupland's book, which is excellent, imo.) Michael Pearce ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 06 Jun 1994 23:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Re: waking up, etc. Hi! Interesting talk about Generation X (I prefer to think of myself as a member of Generation Y :)... check out the cover story of the current issue of NEWS- WEEK for a truly amusing take on the subject. Meredith the swamped meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 12:47:41 -0400 From: Mike Matthews Subject: Bay Area Ecto Gathering? I'm going to be in San Francisco from June 20 'til June 26 for the NEXTSTEP Expo '94. Would all you Bay Area folk be interested in a get-together of some sort? Or, at least, some of you? :-) I'm flying in June 20th, should arrive in San Francisco about noonish, and will be staying at the ANA Hotel. I'll have a car, because I'm going to be swinging down to pick up seanympf (not sure which day, although it's definitely not going to be the 26th as my flight back to Dulles is a little early for that). Anyone game? Mike ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 11:53:09 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: Salmonberries Warning - this post will contain almost no musical content, and what little there is deals with kd lange. Last night was an interesting night for me. After previously answering a bunch of inane questions and admitting to seeing a number of mediocre films, I was given a pass to a special event screening of a mystery movie that is purported to be one of the top movies of the summer. There was a number to call for reservations, but all they wanted was your age, and refused to divulge any information. So I'm supposed to go see this movie without any idea what it is. Well, it will be one of the top movies of the summer, sir. So it could be the Flintstones? It's a movie that's not currently out. So two weeks ago it could have been the Flintstones? Well, I went a half hour early, despite being told that reservations did not in fact guarantee me a seat. (I should check the definition of reservation and see if this is in fact possible. Perhaps it was just a chance for me to express my reservations about going.) After waiting in a long line, I was finally asked my age. 28 was apparently the wrong answer. "I'm sorry sir, we already have enough people in that age bracket." Then they gave me a pass to another movie. So, I went home, had some food, listened to the melodius tunes of Tuvan throat singing by Huun-Huur-Tu, and headed out to another movie. The weirdest coincidence of the evening was the music playing in the theater when I arrived. I entered to the last half of "Song of the Caravan Driver", by Huun-Huur-Tu. Very bizarre. The movie I saw was Salmonberries, kd lange's acting debut. It's copyright 1991, so who knows where it's been sitting. It's by Percy Adlon, director of Bagdad Cafe. I found the movie really captivating and moving, at least most of the time. Unfortunately, this was all because of the forty-ish German actress that shares the lead with lange. She had a very powerful performance. kd was pretty wooden and uninteresting, as a woman masquerading as a man working on an oil rig in Alaska. Sort of Little Jo of the North. Perhaps those who also perceive men to be monosyllabic, uncomunicative and surly will appreciate her portrayal. (Ok, sometimes that's true, but not always!) She actually loosens up and becomes a bit personable when she drops the mail guise. Despite these complaints, there is some beautiful footage shot in Alaska, and some very powerful, emotional scenes. The soundtrack bares a slight resemblance to Bagdad Cafe's, in that there is one beautiful, haunting song used repeatedly, and nothing else I would really want to buy. In this case its lang's "Barefoot", a song that repeatedly shows more emotion than she does in the movie. (Is it available on one of her albums? Is "Calling You" from Baghdad Cafe on anything other than the soundtrack?) Neal ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 07 Jun 1994 15:13:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Sam Warren Subject: Calling You Neal asks: >Is "Calling You" from Baghdad Cafe on anything other than the soundtrack?) I've got it on the Patti LuPone Live album. She sings it as part of a medley with "Get Here." If you like Patti, I recommend it, but if you ever feel Patti's voice is kind of irritating in its "grandiosity," you'd better steer clear of this one. (But there is a rather scintillating version of "Come To The Supermarket In Old Peking.") -Sam ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 15:27:22 EDT From: justin@campion.crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: Re: Salmonberries the song Barefoot by k.d. lang (not lange) has not been released on any of her albums nor is there, to my knowledge, a soundtrack album for the film. However, a video of the song was made, using landscape scenes from the film, and this video (with hi-fi stereo sound) is included in k.d. lang's video compilation Harvest of Seven Years (USA NTSC release from some Time Warner subsidiary). Salmonberries has been shown at film festivals in North America and did have a brief commercial release in Montreal some time ago. The basic plot line is in fact very similar to Baghdad Cafe (unhappy woman in hostile environment meets another woman and, though they clash at first, eventually become friends). The actual setting is of course rather different, as are all the plot details :-). There's also a Berlin interlude in Salmonberries that has no parallel in Baghdad Cafe. Director Percy Adlon has made at least two other feature films as well as several documentaries (in German). The other two features I can think of both star Marianne Sagebrecht (the German woman in the desert in Baghdad Cafe); one of them is called Sugarbaby, the other I have forgotten. justin ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:38:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rod L. Bourland" Subject: Re: Tom Robinson, social commentary and "Waking up" (fwd) This was forwarded per the author's request :) And although she doesn't share my optimism, at least ectophiles are a step in changing the social fabric - and I know we could change the circumstances of the world.. Happy isn't afraid - are you ( a collective you)? Revvie We're Waking Up, Yes, its Good; We're waking up, I knew we would; There's a growing force of people who care, In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world". - Happy Rhodes, "waking up" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:20:40 -0500 From:iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu To: "Rod L. Bourland" Subject: Re: Tom Robinson, social commentary and "Waking up" > T'm a former hippie turned >yippie turned yuppie and finally emerging in my forty somethings as an >"Ectophile". Which seems to cross generational lines. (what is this >Generation X stuff anyway)? This "labelling" stuff is ridiculous, IMO. It's a sad attempt to stereotype people under one umbrella, completely ignoring human individuality. Labels are made by insecure people who feel a need for a group culture, similar to the cliques of junior high school and the freshman phenomenon of 20 hallmates traipsing to the cafeteria together. Most people grow out of this, and develop their own sense of self: morals, ethics, beliefs, etc. The ones who don't spend all day sitting on their asses thinking of labels. Ever notice that the labels all apply to generations? It seems to me that we're more alike than different -- in the scheme of things, 20 years just doesn't count for much. It's not as if everyone born in 1965 suddenly said, 'I was born too late to be a yuppie, so I think I'll be a 20-something instead.' No, they share a lot in common with the people before and after them, just like everyone else. Labels create divisiveness rather than unification. The same goes for racial labels, IMO. >I think we may have learned from the mistakes >of the sixties counterculture and have benifited by their "awakenings" - >i.e. the environment, womens rights, gay rights, etc.. Though we have a >way to go on these and other issues, still I think there are changes >a'coming. Yes, Happy, we _are_ waking up...... I hope so, but I don't share your optimism. I love ectophiles for the same reasons you do -- they are incredibly open-minded and giving. But this is my refuge, especially on the Net. Go out into the Real World (tm), and see the violence, the divisiveness. Or bring it in closer and go to any other mailing list, and you see more hate and anger than anything else. Ecto is flame-free because its participants _want_ it to be, not because it's a new natural order. I think most of us on this group have made conscious choices to be open-minded, because it is the most logical thing on this earth to be. Unfortunately, most people in the world are not logical. And BTW, the glass is half empty. :-) ==> valerie ========================================================================== iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu "Patience, Iago. He was obviously less than worthy." -- Jafar "The hardest to learn was the least complicated." -- Indigo Girls ========================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 13:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Ectophiles Guide Subject: Calling You & ectos in Edinburgh Just a very quick message: Holly Cole has a wonderful version of "Calling You" on her second disc whose title in my rush I cannot now recall. Highly recommended. I'm leaving for Scotland for three weeks tomorrow. I'll miss you all--except those of you meeting me in Edinburgh Sat. at 4:00 at Mama's! --Neile neile@u.washington.edu Ectophiles Guide address: ethelred@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 14:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rod L. Bourland" Subject: Re: waking up, etc. I did read the newsweek article. I enjoyed it and it did explode some myths. Back in the late 60's there was a big funeral for the "love generation" held in San Francisco. The media gets its teeth into something (broad generalization, I know) and perverts something through a commercialization. Pre-fabricated "Hippie band" The monkees appeared. Popular sitcoms had their characters becoming "hippies'. Silly movies about hippies were released by the major studios. BTW, "hippies" didn't go see them, just made to get bucks from middle America. Now see all of the new generation X tv series popping up on tv, more to come in september. It makes me shudder. And its the only reason I'm a little afraid of Happy becoming a pop icon. But then, I know she could rise above it. Revvie We're Waking Up, Yes, its Good; We're waking up, I knew we would; There's a growing force of people who care, In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world". - Happy Rhodes, "waking up" On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, Suspended In Duct Tape wrote: > Hi! > > Interesting talk about Generation X (I prefer to think of myself as a member > of Generation Y :)... check out the cover story of the current issue of NEWS- > WEEK for a truly amusing take on the subject. > > Meredith the swamped > meth@delphi.com > ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 18:39:10 -0400 (EDT) From: S Trowbridge Subject: The late-night listings For a laugh, check out the cover of Frank Black's new "Teenager of the Year" album and see if you don't agree that he looks exactly like the late film star/drag queen Divine. Don't forget Tori on Conan tomorrow!! --Sue Trowbridge LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, 11:35 P.M. EST, CBS 6/7 David Sanborn 6/9 Randy Newman 6/10 Johnny Cash 6/14 David Byrne 6/15 John Hiatt 6/16 Spin Doctors 6/17 Stone Temple Pilots THE TONIGHT SHOW, 11:35 P.M. EST, NBC 6/9 Texas 6/10 Sheryl Crow 6/13 Clay Walker 6/14 Leon Redbone 6/17 Boingo [apparently a rechristened Oingo Boingo] 6/20 Henry Rollins 6/21 Crash Test Dummies LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, 12:35 A.M. EST, NBC 6/8 Tori Amos 6/9 Eleven 6/13 Spanic Boys 6/16 Frank Black 6/17 G-Love and Special Sauce *** People who receive ecto in digest form may subscribe to the ectotv mailing list and receive these bulletins immediately -- including late- breaking updates, if we get 'em! Send mail to trow@access.digex.net. *** //////////////////////////trow@access.digex.net\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ Alas for those who do not sing but die with all their music in them. --Oliver Wendell Holmes ////////////////////////////////////\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Calling You Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 20:27:37 -0400 (EDT) > Neal asks: > > >Is "Calling You" from Baghdad Cafe on anything other than the soundtrack?) > > I've got it on the Patti LuPone Live album. She sings it as part of a medley > with "Get Here." If you like Patti, I recommend it, but if you ever feel > Patti's voice is kind of irritating in its "grandiosity," you'd better steer > clear of this one. It's also on an album (which, if I recall. is called "Calling You"), by Bob Telson, its composer. ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 12:57:18 +1200 Subject: "Eurythmics Live" double-cd - how good? Hullo everyone I saw this double-cd set (actually triple-cd I think - the third one having just 6 tracks (not named on the (very brief) notes inside)) Anyway, it was quite cheap, and were I not trying to cut down on non-essential CD purchases, I would have snapped it up I think, but instead I wish to know if it is really worth having, or whether I would be better to save my money, even if it was cheap... I'm kinda dubious about this 'live' thing... I mean concerts are great if you're actually there, and a recording of one would be good if you had been at the concert, but is there anything special about these recordings that make them really worthwhile getting? or is it more like album + crowd noises? Is it only for big Eurythmics fans? (I used to listen to them a lot, but wouldn't call myself a huge fan, and I haven't listened to them in quite a long time actually, with all the incredible music I have been introduced to here... :) Finally, the albums I do have are on tape and LP, not CD, but even so, if there isn't anything very special about them I'd probably still rather spend the money on a CD from my ecto get-list :) Thanks for any comments! Yours, Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 18:11:37 -0700 (PDT) From: SUZANNE S WEISS Subject: Re: Salmonberries On Tue, 7 Jun 1994, Justin Bur wrote: > Director Percy Adlon has made at least two other feature films as > well as several documentaries (in German). The other two features > I can think of both star Marianne Sagebrecht (the German woman > in the desert in Baghdad Cafe); one of them is called Sugarbaby, > the other I have forgotten. I believe the name of the other film is "rosalie goes shopping". marianne was in all of the films, usually as the main female character. BTW, I found "RGS" to be rather enjoyable. it's out on video as is "BC" and "S" (which was their first film together if I remember correctly). peace, suzanne ======================================================================== Subject: Re: "Eurythmics Live" double-cd - how good? Date: Tue, 07 Jun 94 21:17:39 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Philip writes: >I'm kinda dubious about this 'live' thing... I mean concerts are >great if you're actually there, and a recording of one would be good >if you had been at the concert, but is there anything special about >these recordings that make them really worthwhile getting? or is it >more like album + crowd noises? It depends on the artist/band. For instance, let me quote from a DID list I wrote a couple of years ago (which would probably be substantially different now...): [wrt the live set _Alchemy_] 7. I love the sort of mid-period Dire Straits (_Making Movies_ and _Love Over Gold_) and this album not only compiles the best of both of these albums but does so with Knopfler at his live, scorching best. The 10+ minute version of "Sultans of Swing" is guaranteed to put anyone in a good mood. ------- I'd take live Sarah McLachlan over studio any day, and I consider my tape of the WFNX (Boston) broadcast to be my favorite Sarah "album." Some people sound great live, some bands can really take the extra "space" and make use of it. Some others are just dull. And no, I don't have the slightest idea how the Eurythmics sounded live. ;-) Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 07 Jun 1994 22:18:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: new york area 'philes??? Hi! Okay, so this is for those Ectophiles within reach of New York City who are interested in modern dance. If that's not you, hit "delete" now. :) Since we're a pretty culturally literate and eclectic bunch, I thought I'd mention a dance concert that's happening in the Village this weekend that is sure to be at least interesting, if not outright good. The main performer/ choreographer is Jody Sperling, one of my best friends from college, and this is her first big public performance in what's looking to be a very promicing career. I've seen the first half of the dance (it was part of her senior thesis at Wesleyan), and it's good. The musical accompaniment is experimental (when there is accompaniment), and she's assembled a good ensemble of dancers for the pieces she's performing. I'd say her biggest influence is Merce Cunningham, though I'm not sure if she'd agree with me. :) She and the other folks in this performance have shelled out a lot of their own money to put this event together, and they need quite a turnout to just break even. Performances are this Friday at 9 PM, and Saturday and Sunday at 8, at the Dance Theater Workshop on 55 Bethune St. in Manhattan. Appropriately (yet coincidentally) enough, the space is the Merce Cunningham Studio on the 11th floor. Tickets are $10, and reservations are required. Call the box office at (212) 924-0077 to get your name on the list. I'm going to the Saturday performance. If any of you out there are interested, please drop me a line and maybe we can get together. Sorry to take up list space with this, but if you can't post a public plug for a good friend's first New York performance (and did I mention my bestest buddy Shura designed the costumes? :) on ecto, where can you post it? :) Hope to see at least one or two of you there on Saturday. Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 22:59:55 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (lasagna breeze) Subject: my own private montana hey ectoids... long time no talk, ay? it's been a busy past few weeks filled with lots of excuses for not posting, the primary of which was that i moved from new brunswick to boonton, nj. that tale is a long and sordid new chapter in the book chronicling the flight of the rutgers ectophiles from the home of ecto which would no doubt bore you all to tears so i'll spare you. suffice to say that memorial day weekend was spent discovering just how much stuff i possess, putting it in boxes and driving it across the state. if that wasn't enough trauma for one person to deal with, the weekend following the move found me on a plane jetting across the country to billings, montana (hence the subject of this post) for three weeks of serfdom and slavery in big sky country. yeehaw. fortunately, i have this nifty laptop with me and free time in the evenings so i think i'll take advantage of the situation and catch up on my email (there's about 1000 messages sitting in my mailbox awaiting attention, most of which are ectoish in nature). however, before i get to that, i have an interesting tale to tell which will not bore you all to tears for it is a happy tale! i had some free time after work this afternoon and decided to check out any local record stores that were not of the chain variety. i found one - a place called bohemian records. it's only a few blocks away from the hotel i'm staying at so i walked over and checked out their wares. it's a bit of a weird store in that all the discs and cassettes are behind the counter and you either have to ask about a specific artist or squint to see the titles in stock. since my tastes vary widley, i opted for the latter method. i noticed a lot of tori singles so i asked about the "past the mission" singles of which the owner was unaware. he immediately placed a call to his distributor in new york city and ordered a couple sets. while he was doing that, i noticed some familar cd spines along the bottom shelf in the female vocal section. yup, you guessed it: he had happy cds in stock! wheee! i didn't look at all of them but i saw _volume one_, _warpaint_, _equipoise_ and _rhodesongs_. we got talking about happy and it turns out that he's a big fan. he heard her on echoes a while back and immediately searched out her releases which he has been pushing for a few months. it seems that there is a fledg- ling following of happyfans out in montana - yeehaw! we talked a bit more about the new album, past tours, distribution, the evils of major labels and so forth and he said that he was going to write happy about what's happening out here in big sky country now. yay! before the battery runs out, just one last quick note: if there are any ectophiles out here in montana who want to get together some evening between now and the june 24th, please drop me some email or call and leave a message. i'm in the sheraton hotel in billings and will soon be bored out of my skull. +woj ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 21:16:38 -0700 From: relph@presto.ig.com (John Relph) Subject: Ectofete Hi everyone, I thought I'd take a little of your time for an account of SeanYmpf's EctoFete. In the first place, Jennie and I were in Half Moon Bay because my group (actually a duo) had an informal gig at Ocean Books. We provided `background' music for about three hours (starting at noon, which meant we had to arrive late to the EctoFete), although how trains, dead women, and fiddle tunes can be background music is anybody's guess. In any case, we headed back over the hill and decided to just drive straight to Rengstorff Park. Unfortunately I had neglected to pack the directions, so when Jennie and I arrived at the park we wandered around for about ten minutes, passing the tables full of people looking very uncomfortable, working to have a good time. But I had noticed one blanket on the far side of the park with three people looking very relaxed so I said to Jennie, let's wander over to those people over there, and I'll ask them, "Are you Ecto?" and if they look at me strangely and say "huh?" we'll go get the directions from home. So we wandered over and I said "Are you Ecto?" and sure enough, they didn't look at me strangely. Ah! So then we proceeded to sit and introduce ourselves and eat fruit and chocolate and drink lukecold sodas (not necessarily in that order) for a while, listening to Milla, Kristen Hersh, Happy (of course!), and other Ectofodder, while we talked and ate. Finally, we were starting to get a little chilly as the sun moved behind the trees, so we got up and tossed a couple of frisbees, often to hilarious effect. (Unfortunately, Eric tweaked his ankle, thanklefully not seriously.) Eventually, the time got late, so we helped Sarah carry the goods back to her apartment (just behind the park, but you knew that), and made some plans for dinner. Sarah had previous engagement, so the rest of us started up our trusty steeds and sped over to Jose's, the Caribbean/Cuban restaurant in Palo Alto, for dinner. We had a large vegetable pizza with barbecue sauce, always good, but that's not important. What IS important is that Jose's specialty drink is, yes Ectofriends, a BLUE margarita! Eric was the first to notice, but we all caught on finally, and it was entirely a coincidence (the cosmic unconscious at work). And excellent fuzzy blue drinks they were indeed. And so, after a fine dinner with most excellent beverage, we all talked until we could talk no more, and thus the evening ended. Thank you, and good night! -- John P.S. Jessica, don't forget about that MM stuff... ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 1994 22:01:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rod L. Bourland" Subject: Re: new york area 'philes??? Your post about the Dance artists' performance is perfectly appropriate, IMHO, to post in ecto. As you said, if you can't post it here, where can you post it? It seems to me that ectophiles are a pretty eclectic bunch and I know I would like to hear about such things if they were happening in the Los Angeles basin where I live. IMHO, you need not make any apologies for a post. semper pax, Revvie We're Waking Up, Yes, its Good; We're waking up, I knew we would; There's a growing force of people who care, In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world". - Happy Rhodes, "waking up" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 22:14:16 PDT From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Ectofete redux Since we've had two versions of seanympf's EctoFete, I thought I'd be redundant tonight and offer up yet another view. Besides, *one* of these accounts should spell my name right. :-) I headed out towards Rengstorff Park, cutting it close to get there by 3:00 until I realized that my boom box would work much better if I had batteries for it. Stopping to get batteries took 5 minutes or so, then I drove around the block and back before realizing that there really *wasn't* a road on that side of the park, and that I should park by the barbecue area and walk. So it wasn't until almost 20 minutes late that I arrived to find myself the first to greet a fairly worried seanympf. I pulled out my copy of the instructions and reassured her that they were completely intelligible (to me, at any rate). We chatted for 20 minutes or so before deciding that if no one else showed up, they were just flakes and wouldn't get any of the chocolate. So we proceeded to swing by Sarah's apartment to collect the food and blanket, and I grabbed the boombox & CDs from my car, and we listened to Milla on the hillside & chatted until Jessica joined us around 4:20, soon followed by John & Jenny. After a fair amount of brie, crackers, fruit, & chocolate had been consumed, we grabbed two of the frisbees (I had brought several, and seanympf had another) and proceeded to toss them around, with the usual result that two people would simultaneously throw to the same target, who would try to catch both & fail to get either. :-) While we played, we were visited by a suspicious park ranger, who had to be reassured that the brown bottles we had been drinking from contained root beer & cream soda, and we really hadn't been smuggling in alchohol. Alas, as John mentioned, I caught my foot in the pitcher's rut of the softball area of the field, mildly hyper-extending my ankle. I've been limping for a couple of days, but it's almost back to normal. Sarah had a friend's birthday dinner to attend, so the rest of us were forced to drink her share of Jose's special blue margaritas. Not the fuzziest of blue drinks, but still a fine example of ectosynchronicity at its best. But John's description of the pizza as "veggie" doesn't do it justice. In addition to many of the "normal" pizza veggies, this also included corn, pineapple, and several other veggies not normally found on a pizza, with the tomato sauce replaced by barbecue sauce. It was actually quite excellent - just nothing like what one normally thinks of as "pizza". :-) And with firm resolution to do this again RealSoonNow[tm], we went our various ways. Awaiting the next time, I remain Erik with a "k", if you don't mind :-) _______________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe the return address. KLA Instruments Corp. The one and only True Address is: San Jose, CA e_johnso@kla.com. - - - KLA's only opinion on the subject is that I should get back to work - - - In your head, no car is fast enough / In your heart, no love is true Would it ruin all your solitary fancies / If I told you that it isn't only you? -- Emma Bull, Cats Laughing, "For It All" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 22:27:42 PDT From: John Relph Subject: Re: Ectofete redux I must heartily apologise, as I realised as soon as I received Erik's post that I had in fact spelled his name wrong. Sorry, Erik, I won't do it again. > Erik > with a "k", if you don't mind :-) -- John >soon >followed by John & Jenny. P.S. that's Jennie (not Jen, not Jennifer, not Jenny). ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Jun 94 22:42:19 PDT From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: Ectofete redux |> I must heartily apologise, as I realised as soon as I received Erik's |> post that I had in fact spelled his name wrong. Sorry, Erik, I won't |> do it again. Not a problem. Happens all the time - which is the only reason I make a point of correcting it. Otherwise, I start to wonder if *I'm* the one spelling it wrong. :-) |> >soon |> >followed by John & Jenny. |> |> P.S. that's Jennie (not Jen, not Jennifer, not Jenny). Oooops! My turn to apologize for the same thing. I think this is either ectosynchronicity at work, or instant karma for nitpicking. :-) Erik _______________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson Don't believe the return address. KLA Instruments Corp. The one and only True Address is: San Jose, CA e_johnso@kla.com. - - - KLA's only opinion on the subject is that I should get back to work - - - In your head, no car is fast enough / In your heart, no love is true Would it ruin all your solitary fancies / If I told you that it isn't only you? -- Emma Bull, Cats Laughing, "For It All" ======================================================================== From: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu (laurel) Subject: "For It All" Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 01:19:56 +22293638 (CDT) Well.... Erik has endeared himself to me by quoting one of my favorite lines, from one of my favorite songs.... ("In your head, no car is fast enough / in your heart, no love is true -- would it ruin all your solitary fancies, if i tell you that it isn't only you?" - Emma Bull, Cats Laughing.... from "For It All") (now I'm getting the feeling that I'm quoting the wrong line, I have two fave lines from that song. Heh. ach well...) Which reminds me... with any luck, I'll be an extra in the no-budget movie being made of Emma Bull's fine novel WAR FOR THE OAKS (which that song is from...)... At least, I *think* they are filming the First Avenue scenes this week sometime, and I think I'll be able to get to Minneapolis for the event. :) :) :) (and I'll get to see lotsa friends and hear some good music and like that) Just had to share... and compliment Erik on his .sig.... ::: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu ::: Laurel Krahn :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you need me, me & neil'll be hangin out with the DREAM KING" - Tori Amos ======================================================================== From: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu (laurel) Subject: stuff to trade/sell... Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 01:58:27 +22293638 (CDT) ...since i think the classifieds are on hiatus... here's a list of stuff i'm willing to part with... I'm broke and trying to get some different music into my collection.... cdwise, at least. methinks i made tapes of most of these... Now available for sale and/or trade... Please e-mail me your offers and questions at: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu Thanx..... :) What I am offering (it's an odd bunch of stuff, I know): Artist Title Description ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Kate Bush "Love and Anger" Promo - one track, cardboard gatefold cover with closeup pic of kate's face, cd has pic of rose, CSK 1859 Kate Bush "Rubberband Girl" UK single - picturedisc, 3 trax, Rband Girl (extended mix) & Big Stripey Lie Cranberries "Dreams" promo - just has the one track, PRCD 6757-2 nice cover Beautiful South "Song for Whoever" promo - just the one track, slimcase cover has cool pic of yellow tulips Aphex Twin "Words & Music" promo - 1994, 8 trax, incl 3 selections from the latest album, five spoken things. no liner notes, but neat cd & backcover (this concludes the rare/promo section, the rest is more straightforward, all cd's and cases are in darn good if not near perfect condition unless otherwise noted) Diamanda Galas THE SINGER 1992 album, 10 trax, she sings.... Underworld CHANGE THE WEATHER 1989 10 track, hole punched in notes must've beenpromo or such at one time Age of Chance MECCA 1989 cd, out of print now??? dunno... Digital Underground "No Nose Job" single 5 different mixes... The Residents GOD IN THREE PERSONS what can i say, 14 trax... Suede "Metal Mickey/The Drowners" EP - 4 trax, slimline UK single with "My Insatiable One" and "To The Birds" East Coast Family VOLUME ONE - trax by Boyz II Men, Another Bad Creation, M.C. Brainz, w/ some cool remixes of their hits and "End of the Road" of course... the Primitives PURE - 16 trax of goodstuff, I just have too many cd's and too little time... pop Book of Love LULLABY - a classic album, 10 trax incl "Tubular Bells" and others... Depeche Mode CATCHING UP WITH - 13 trax, lotsa hitz... 1985. yeah. Proclaimers THIS IS THE STORY - a different proclaimers album that I had a long time before a certain movie/song became a hit... catchy.. Fleetwood Mac BEHIND THE MASK - i saw this concert, like the album Living Colour - TIME'S UP - 15 trax, incl "Elvis is Dead" YES! :) B-52's - THE B-52's - what can i say, "Rock Lobster" ohcrud maybe i wanna keep this one... "Planet Claire" um... Sugarcubes - HERE TODAY, TOMORROW NEXT WEEK - more icelandic fun... 16 trax Book of Love - CANDY CAROL - incl "Alice Everyday"... 12 trax... B-52's - GOOD STUFF - 10 trax.... from the B's.... Prince "New Power Generation" single - like new, 6 trax... incl remix of title track, "T.C.'s Rap," "Brother with a purpose" "Get Off," "The Lubricated Lady" and "Loveleft, Loveright" Prince "Gett Off" single - like new, four different remixes of title track, + "Violet the Organ Grinder," "Gangster Glam," and "Clockin' the Jizz" ----- that's about it.... here's some of what I'm looking for, I'll just name artists... generally i'm looking for promos or singles or rarities where these folks are concerned: Peter Gabriel, Richard Thompson, Sarah McLachlan, Tori Amos, Poi Dog Pondering, Matthew Sweet, Indigo Girls, Pogues, Laurie Anderson, Judybats, Toad the Wet Sprocket, Kitchens of Distinction, Sinead O'Connor, Oyster Band, Waterboys, Suzanne Vega, Peter Himmelman, and others... artists whom I don't have enough albums from yet (and sometimes can't find them, come to think of it): Jane Siberry, Happy Rhodes, and lotsa others (darnit, i'm too tired to keep listing stuff)... suggest trades or prices or whathaveyou and i'll let you know... depending, it may go first come, first serve, or best offer in the batch of e-mail i receive... :) we'll figure something out, drop me a line... ::: lakrahn@inst.augie.edu ::: Laurel Krahn :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: "If you need me, me & neil'll be hangin out with the DREAM KING" - Tori Amos (ohyeah, will also accept back issues of sandman or sandman trading cards in trade.... :) :) :) ) (and other objects that play to my many hobbies, come to think of it... star trek stuff... good books...) :) ) ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 08:30:49 BST Subject: shopping I met up with Ilka and Peter in London last night and we indulged in yummy Carribean food with loadsa potent cocktails. If you want to find hard-to-find CDs then send Ilka to ferret them out for you. Her bags were bulging with tasty morsels :-) but I'll let her tell you about that. I didn't have much time to go searching but I did find a few good CD shops. There's an excellent CD shop opposite Reckless in Berwick St (just off Oxford St). I found a used RhodeSongs (I wonder how that got there) and a Nettwerk sampler which had a Sarah MacLachlan song on it "What Lies Beyond". I also spotted loads of other interesting stuff but didn't have time to check out. tim ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 09:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: lynne@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Lynne Evans) Subject: Ecto Hi Jessica! Please add me to the ecto mailing list! I just discovered her music, having been a Tori and Loreena fan, and hanging around the big sky bbs that Richard and Missy run. A couple of Happy's songs have really blown me away! I have written an article that hopefully will appear in the next RDT (not the one that just was published) about the profound effect that Tori's music has had on my life! If my first encounter with Happy's music is any indication, then I think that I'm in for another wild, emotionally growth producing ride! Hugs, Lynne ---- Lynne Evans lynne@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 09:40:59 -0500 (EST) From: "I'll be here, I'll be ecto..." Subject: Re: The late-night listings Sue said: >THE TONIGHT SHOW, 11:35 P.M. EST, NBC >6/17 Boingo [apparently a rechristened Oingo Boingo] It is a rechristened Oingo Boingo and they have a new album out called "Boingo" (original, huh? :) ). The album is REALLY good, with plenty of Boingo's and Elfman's dark themes. (For those who may not know, Danny Elfman, the man who wrote the music for "Batman", "Edward Scissorhands", "The Nightmare Before Christmas", and many other movies, is the lead singer for Boingo.) They aren't Ectofodder really, but I like them a whole lot. Now if they'll just come out here to the East Coast... Philip said: >I'm kinda dubious about this 'live' thing... I mean concerts are >great if you're actually there, and a recording of one would be good >if you had been at the concert, but is there anything special about >these recordings that make them really worthwhile getting? Since I was just talking about Boingo, I thought I'd comment on how they did their live album. What they did was record them playing the songs live in the studio. Everything was recorded in one take, so it's live, but there isn't the crowd noise. They have very distinctive ways of playing their music live, so it's a real treat to hear their songs the same way they play them live. (I've seen Boingo well over half a dozen times...) Of course, this still doesn't answer Philip's question about the Eurythmics CD... Sorry about that Philip. :) John ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 09:42:37 EDT From: Don Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE UNSUBSCRIBE Ecto DHOWE@ALBNERIC.BITNET Summer is here... time to take a break from these computer things| * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Don Howe DHOWE@ALBNERIC.BITNET Ballston Spa Central School 518-884-7129 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jun 94 10:11:10 EDT From: ken@zeus.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: The late-night listings > Don't forget Tori on Conan tomorrow!! > > --Sue Trowbridge > > LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, 12:35 A.M. EST, NBC > 6/8 Tori Amos Except that according to my local TV listing, Conan will be pushed back till 1:05 AM tonight. ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:50:17 -0500 From: iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu Subject: Re: new york area 'philes??? >even. Performances are this Friday at 9 PM, and Saturday and Sunday at 8, >at the Dance Theater Workshop on 55 Bethune St. in Manhattan. Appropriately >(yet coincidentally) enough, the space is the Merce Cunningham Studio on the >11th floor. Tickets are $10, and reservations are required. Call the box >office at (212) 924-0077 to get your name on the list. I'll put in a plug for this dance too. Jody is incredibly talented, and Shura does some wonderful costume designing. I wish I could go (thanks, Meredith, for mentioning it...I'm sure there are a lot of ectophiles who will thank you Monday), but I'm stuck in Chicago/Atlanta for the weekend. (I'll actually be flying between the two places Friday night, so I'll really be stuck in Cleveland, where I change planes). SEE THIS SHOW! ==> valerie ========================================================================== iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu "Patience, Iago. He was obviously less than worthy." -- Jafar "The hardest to learn was the least complicated." -- Indigo Girls ========================================================================== ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 08 Jun 1994 12:08:54 -0500 From: gmcdonald@zdi.ziff.com (glenn mcdonald) Subject: Heavenly Voices I just picked up this 2CD box called _Heavenly Voices_, a mammoth compilation of stuff by female singers. Most of the bands I didn't recognize, and even the ones I did, like Moon Seven Times, Die Form, Andromeda Complex, etc., I'm not actually familiar with, so it looked like a good educational investment, and about the closest you could come to Ecto-esoterica-in-a-box. In fact, I haven't even listened to it yet, but there is *very* little information in the box (in fact, the box and the long cards in it add nothing but bulk to the package; they could have easily put the two CDs in one of those double holders and added a single fold to the booklet without losing any info), and I wonder if anybody knows anything more about it, like, what year did it come out in, etc.? glenn ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Heavenly Voices Date: Wed, 8 Jun 1994 09:53:52 -0700 (PDT) > I just picked up this 2CD box called _Heavenly Voices_, a mammoth > compilation of stuff by female singers. Most of the bands I didn't > recognize, and even the ones I did, like Moon Seven Times, Die Form, > Andromeda Complex, etc., I'm not actually familiar with, so it looked like > a good educational investment, and about the closest you could come to > Ecto-esoterica-in-a-box. > > In fact, I haven't even listened to it yet, but there is *very* little > information in the box (in fact, the box and the long cards in it add > nothing but bulk to the package; they could have easily put the two CDs in > one of those double holders and added a single fold to the booklet without > losing any info), and I wonder if anybody knows anything more about it, > like, what year did it come out in, etc.? Congrats! It's a great set. In fact there's only *one* song on there I don't like (but boy that one gets on my nerves..) 8) It's out on Projekt records (I think).. Mine came with a little catalog of their product line, mostly goth and ethereal music.. I think it just came out last year (or *maybe* 1992). You're right, the packaging is spartan, but the artwork on both cases and cds is gorgeous.. very 4ADish. (in fact someone said the cd covers are from the same photo shoot or at least the same person as the This Mortal Coil covers. Can't confirm that tho..) I don't have mine handy so I can't answer much beyond this... But if anyone has questions, I can look it up tonight.. br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)