Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1131 ecto, Number 1131 Monday, 6 June 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Hi & Hex One thing reminds me of another Rhodeways? Re: Rhodeways? Re: REVIEW: Sam Phillips, GAMH, SF, 31 May Rhodesways Re: Rhodeways? Emily Bezar in Concert Re: Flintstones question Re: Hips Lick Shaken Frente! October Project Xpress Interview Rhodeways UNSUBSRIBE Returned Mail: Member unknown: rossl2 (fwd) Re: Rhodesways Re: Returned Mail: Member unknown: rossl2 (fwd) Radio Silence (was: Rhodeways) October Project XPress Interview Boris Grebenshikov (was Re: Rhodeways) Hi! And thanks for the recommendations Tom Robinson Re: Tom Robinson, social commentary and "Waking up" New address Re: Boris Grebenshikov (was Re: Rhodeways) New NIN video tonight, foot extraction Seattlephiles? ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 17:10:06 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Hi & Hex Hihi Cheri, welcome to Ecto! I haven't heard of "Hex" by Bark Psychosis, but I did a quick double-take because there's a band that gotten talked about in Ecto called Hex. It used to be comprised of Steve Kilby (The Church) and Donette Thayer (Game Theory) but now it's Donette working with her own musicians. A new album is due out...um...Real Soon Now. The old Hex albums are called "Hex" and "Vast Halos" and I like both of them very much, with a bias toward the first one, "Hex" but I think I might like the next one (whenever it may come) best of all. Donette's voice is beautiful, lush and ethereal, but the music isn't. (anyone want to volunteer to describe Hex's music, old and new? Well, woj is probably the only one who's heard the new Hex, in demos) Another Vickiepost thuds to a halt because she hates trying to describe music so much...film at 11! Vickie ps, Bark Psychosis...cool name! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 17:42:23 CDT From: Subject: One thing reminds me of another The description in these pages today of the cover art on the Dan Hicks album, with its depiction of the artists in full hippiedom, somehow triggered an association with an item in today's _Chicago Sun-Times_. They ran a short piece on the Otters, the eclectic Chicago band whose more famous members include Stuart Rosenberg and Kat Eggleston. The story carried a photo of the band, which reveals a reasonable degree of hippiedom, at least visually. They have just come out with a CD on the Waterbug label, whose title is an imagina- tive pun that I can't for the life of me remember. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 16:49:10 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Rhodeways? Hi, I am assuming that some of you have received Rhodeways, since at least one person (whose name I forget) posted about it. Could you please give a more detailed description regarding what it's like, i.e. number of pages, color or black and white, table of contents, based on which those of us who have chosen to be skeptical can make a judgement to send the $15 out or not? Normally I would rush to support anything related to Happy, but for some reason I want an enthusiastic go-for-it before I subscribe to this zine. Thanks, Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 17:44:04 -0700 (PDT) From: David Dixon Subject: Re: Rhodeways? On Fri, 3 Jun 1994, Angelos Kyrlidis wrote: > I am assuming that some of you have received Rhodeways, since at least one > person (whose name I forget) posted about it. Could you please give a more > detailed description regarding what it's like, i.e. number of pages, color > or black and white, table of contents, based on which those of us who have > chosen to be skeptical can make a judgement to send the $15 out or not? As a matter-o-fact, I just got mine today. It's not bad.. 12 pages, black & white, pretty good layout, plus you get to see what Happy looked like as a little kid! I think the $15 annual fee is a little steep, but I suggest supporting it anyway, just because there should be a non-electronic 'zine for Happy fans who aren't net-ready. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 18:46:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rod L. Bourland" Subject: Re: REVIEW: Sam Phillips, GAMH, SF, 31 May This is my first time sending a letter and i don't know if it will get to everyone but I hope so. It was nice to see such a great review of Sam Phillips. I saw her in concert as an opening act, though I went for just her performance (she opened for Bruce Cockburn). Before the show I sent a hand-picked boquette of exotic flowers and a short fan letter back stage to her. I didn't think she would get it as the guard was very non-committal. But to my amazement, when she got around to singing the as yet unreleased "Strawberry Road" she said, "I would like to dedicate this to a a very loving caring man in the audience named Rod". I couldn't believe it. It was just a page-long letter I sent her with the flowers but I told her that I couldn't wait for her new release.Of course I gushed a bit and told her that her producer and husband was also great (T-Bone Phillips). But I didn't think it would warrant a dedication! :) She accompanied herself on guitar, with no back up band. I envy you that you saw her with a band. Though she was quite the solo artist. I can't wait to see her again. I hope it will be soon. I will never forget that night. And i highly recommend her albums, especially "Cruel Inventions". What wonderful melodies and beautiful lyrics. Thanks for letting me know she was touring, John. And thanks for the great review. Do you mind if I send it to her? Revvie We're Waking Up, Yes, its Good; We're waking up, I knew we would; There's a growing force of people who care, In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world". - Happy Rhodes, "waking up" ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 21:56:51 -0400 From: barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu Subject: Rhodesways Could anyone please send me information regarding Rhodesways, like how do I get it who do I write to, how much does it cost? As of yet, I have received no information regarding it either via snail or email Barry ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 22:34:07 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Rhodeways? > Hi, Hi Angelos! I've been meaning to post about Rhodeways... > I am assuming that some of you have received Rhodeways, since at least one > person (whose name I forget) posted about it. Could you please give a more > detailed description regarding what it's like, i.e. number of pages, color > or black and white, table of contents, based on which those of us who have > chosen to be skeptical can make a judgement to send the $15 out or not? > Normally I would rush to support anything related to Happy, but for some > reason I want an enthusiastic go-for-it before I subscribe to this zine. Go for it, is what I'd say. The things that make it worth having are: 1) It's the first issue of a fanzine dedicated to *HAPPY*! 2) It was put together by a true fan...just like us! 3) It has a killer photo of Happy on the cover, never before seen! 4) The are 2 (count 'em!) photos of Happy as a child. I've never even seen childhood photos of her before. 5) Welcomes and interview stuff directly from Happy. 6) How much are 1st issue Homegrounds worth? :) The zine is in black and white. Counting front and back cover, there are 12 pages. There are only the 3 photographs, but we've not seen any of them before, and Happy *is* one of the least-photographed artists around. There are some floating around, they just need to get to Sharon. Are there problems with it? Well, yeah, I have my gripes but they're not important. I think the zine will imporove with each issue, especially if Sharon gets more support and more material. A couple things are directed directly to us. In the thanks section she says "Welcome to the Ectophiles" and on the last inside page, after giving the addresses of (what we would say) "Ectoish" artists (Tori, M7T, Black Tape For A Blue Girl, Kate, Love Spirals Downward, Sarah, HNIA, Julee, Loreena & Frente!) Sharon writes: What is an Ectophile? Ecto is an electronic mailing list on the Internet, a worldwide combination of networks linked together to provide information for those with access to a computer and modem. Created in 1991 by Jessica Dembski, Ecto provides a forum for discussion about Happy and other artists as well. To join the Ecto mailing list, just send a message to ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu, or to contribute, write ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu. The first inside page (pg 2) has a short editorial and thanks section. The editorial is called "A Happy Medium" and includes something that I might have written if I'd thought of it :) ("The fact that hers is not a household name makes me want to run screaming into the night and hit my head with a rock") I *know* how that feels! The third page has a hand-written welcome from Happy, and the beginning of a current News section called "Happy-nings" which continues on page 7. Page 4 is a capsule history (somewhat in need of updates and corrections) and this is the page with the two childhood pictures. One is a standard school photo and the other looks either like a church confirmation photo or perhaps she was a flower girl at a wedding. She's wearing a white dress and white veil. I'll try to get more infor about the photos. I have no idea how old she might be. A guess....(I'm probably so far off)...5 in the white dress photo and 7 in the school picture. Page 5 has a history about Aural Gratification on one side of the page and a couple of gargoyles on the other (drawn by Jered Hundley) which looks pretty good. Page 6 is the beginning of a fascinating interview with Happy about how she works, and the new album. No spoilers, just some general technical details. Page 7 is more of that interview and the rest of the Happy-nings News page. Page 8 is an excerpt of an article Mike Goudreau wrote about Happy which I have read before but can't seem to identify. I'm almost certain it's been posted in Ecto. Page 9 is a Happy Discography, which only features the CDs 1-6, RhodeSongs and HR5, though there is a note that the 1st 4 were only available on cassette until 1992. All the song titles, AG #s and years are given. Also on this page is a very strange drawing of Happy (not *by* Happy...as a matter of fact, none of her artwork is featured in this issue) by Jered again. Page 10 is an article entitled "Is it K-A-T-E T-O-R-I Happy?" (with the line drawn all the way through Kate & Tori's names, crossing out their names) and it's written by Happy, her thoughts on being compared with Kate and what she thinks of Tori and how she feels about the media treatment given these two women. Page 11 ends the previous article, lists the fanclubs, and tells what an Ectophile is. The last page is a drawing of Happy by someone named Poppy and though I don't like it very much, I think it's cool that Poppy drew it at all. Also on this page is subscription info: $15.00 annually in the U.S. and $18.00 overseas. Rhodeways is published quarterly. Send subscriptions and submissions to: Rhodeways P.O. Box 1951 Provo, Utah 84603 U.S.A. So there you have it. It's not above or undeserving of critisism, but why bother? Kinks will be worked out, problems will improve and it will grow. I hope subscriptions explode after BTC is released, since the address will be in the liner notes. It's a Fanzine. It's a fanzine for Happy Rhodes! Pages and pages wouldn't be enough to describe how cool I think it is. This is Vickie speaking, the fan who once thought that no one outside the Albany and Kansas City areas would ever know who Happy was, who never *dreamed* that there would be an electronic mailing list dedicated to Happy, who never dreamed that she'd walk into HMV-Oxford in London, England and see Happy's CDs, who never dreamed that these wonderful albums on cassettes would ever be *released* on CD! Yeah yeah yeah, if I thought a fanzine was such a great idea, why didn't I do one myself? I seriously thought about it, but there's a big big difference between thinking and actually doing. My thinking is still sitting in a big file on my hard drive titled "FanzineMisc" and Sharon's doing is sitting in front of me, finished and delivered. As far as I'm concerned, kudos and credits where they're due, and there are *no* hard feelings. As far as subscribing...? Well, the articles can be typed in and the photos can be scanned as gifs, (neither of which I'll do though) but the real reason to subscribe to the zine itself is just to tell another Happyfan that you think it's cool what she's doing, and to help make the next one bigger and better. All I can say is that I'm glad I subscribed. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 23:52:46 -0700 (PDT) From: David Dixon Subject: Emily Bezar in Concert Hi folks, Em and I just got back from the Emily Bezar concert in SF, held at the Noe Valley Ministry, a quaint little church in the heart of SF with lots of children's artwork on the walls. The performance had its weak spots-- some of her more "abstract" pieces just didn't do much for me-- but her songs for solo piano were just wonderful. And she's got a great voice (as long as it doesn't get too loud; sometimes her voice (when coupled with a Harmonizer) reminds me of Yoko Ono!) If she were just a little more pop, she could be the "next Tori Amos". I've exchanged some email with Emily in the last few days. She says that she picked up a copy of _Warpaint_ about a month ago and thinks Happy's voice is just wonderful. "Really resonant and strong." Yep, I think we got another convert. :) She says she's a bit shy about posting things to the net, but I'll try to persuade her to at least subscribe to Ecto. The more the merrier. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 19:41:48 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Flintstones question Joseph jokes: > > > What, no takers on the Fred Flintstone's bowling team question???? > > > > tornados." No one is certain. Please, someone, salvage the remainder of my > > sanity. Tell me the answer to this question (which has turned out to be much > > more difficult than it first appeared)! > > Can't say I remember the team, but I think their official beer was Rolling > Rock. > > (*ducking*) No need to duck - according to a review of the Flintstones movie posted on rec.arts.movies, in the film, Fred *does* drink Rolling Rock! -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 3 Jun 94 19:52:13 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Hips Lick Shaken Frente! mjm roars (grin): > I am starting to like the Frente! album a whole lot. > In particular is sounds superb in my car (and not all > albums do). ObQuestion: what is the song Cuscutlan > about? That is currently my favorite song (for those > at home keeping score) on Marvin. It's about a recent war, from one perspective or another - I can't quite remember now, but the band talked about it quite a bit in interviews back in '92, citing it as an example of how they were not always light and frothy bubblegum songwriters. I'll try and dig up the appropriate piece and quote it at you tomorrow; even better, I can ring their manager on Monday and get pointed to likely printed matter. Fear not, I will answer your question! :-) - Anthony (listening to the new Church CD - Mmmmm. :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 04 Jun 1994 09:58:31 -0400 (EDT) From: WAYNEPALMER@delphi.com Subject: October Project Xpress Interview This is a great interview that October Project gave to Kim Alexander from WXPN that appears in latest issue of the Xpress, the Members' Newsletter that goes out bimonthly to members of the station. Before anyone worries about copyright, I have gotten permission from 'XPN to transcribe it for distribution on the Internet. It really answers some of the questions people have had about this band and how they came about. Kim Alexander got a lot of info from them for such a short interview. The unique sound of October Project By Kim Alexander Midday host Kim Alexander caught up with David Sabatino and Mary Fahl of October Project recently and asked them questions about the band's formation, their style and the making of their debut album. KIM: I have a hunch you've all had some classical training. DAVE: There's some classical training in the backgrounds of some of the players in the band. But it's really not a factor in the music as much as some people think it is. I think most of our influences come from our likes for pop music, mine being the Beatles. Marina loves Joan Baez... MARY: I think the only think anybody brings from their classical training is a certain discipline in the way that we rehearse. We try to avoid any kind of musical cliches when we're arranging and putting the music together. I've never had classical training at all. KIM: October Project is such a unique sounding band. Is this the kind of band you envisioned yourself in? DAVE: We're often asked why it sounds the way it does... it's because we've taken all these different people with really different musical backgrounds and different likes in pop music, and put them together and it ended up sounding like October Project. I couldn't have imagine being in a band with people of totally different backgrounds and having it work. It's kind of a magical thing that we got together in the first place. MARY: The way that we got together wasn't through some kind of ad. Most bands get together because they share common musical interests, but I think one of the reasons that we sound unique is that none of us share any musical interests at all. I probably wouldn't have typically been in a band with Dave, who's extremely rock 'n roll, and grew up listening to Carlos Santana. I listen to a lot of world music and more traditional singers like Sarah Vaughan and Nina Simone. KIM: You were signed to Epic Records partly due to your big following in the New York City area. I understand that Club Sin-e was your home base. MARY: Yeah, we had played around New York for about two years at places like CBGB, the Lone Star, every place you can possibly imagine. DAVE: Every place, places we had no business being in! KIM: It's hard to imagine you at CBGB, to tell you the truth... MARY: Yeah, well, that was very interesting. They used to sandwich us in between heavy metal bands, so there would be all these metalheads out there with tattoos and beer bottles in their hands. And we'd go on and they'd be kind of raucous at first and...I guess it was music it sooth the savage beast. Actually, we had a bit of a metal following. I think we're more accessible to that kind of listener than we are to a really heavy-duty alternative listener, 'cause you know metalheads like big pop ballads! After about two years, we luckily found a home at Club Sim-e. It's a tiny, little coffeehouse run by this guy named Shane, who's from Dublin, and he made it a really accessible place for us. We played there almost every single week and the industry did start to take notice. And since than I think several other acts have gotten signed out of there, which is very exciting. KIM: Who else? MARY: I think Jeff Buckley (folk singer Tim Buckley's son) got signed out of there. KIM: So, you get signed and you go to Nashville, of all places, to make your record. Why did you choose Nashville? MARY: Our Producer, Glenn Rosenstein, is centered in Nashville and he thought - and Epic thought as well - that it would be good for us, being our first album, to get away from our natural surroundings. Glenn is very well-connected down there, so we were able to make an album that, to put it bluntly, probably sounds a lot more expensive. We couldn't have afforded to make that kind of an album in New York, and Nashville is so accessible musically. It's a wonderful place to make an album because the whole city is dedicated to doing just that, to make it easy for you in a lot of different ways. And it was a great experience. KIM: Let's talk about Julie Flanders' unique position in your band. She writes the lyrics but she's not actually a performing part of the band. MARY: That's correct. We've gotten compared to Enya, and to Renaissance, although I don't know if that's a really accurate comparison, but both of those acts also had outside lyricists who did not perform. DAVE: Other examples are The Grateful Dead, Elton John... MARY: King Crimson... DAVE: Everyone comes in with their strength. Julie writes and that's what she does best. KIM: Does she tour with you? DAVE: Very rarely. She'll go out on some promotional tours with us, but generally the day-to-day grind of going across the country is... MARY: She is fortunately spared that! KIM: So when you're off traveling and performing, is she home writing some more? MARY: Hopefully! DAVE: We have another album coming up. Julie is also pursuing an acting career. So she has her own performing outlet. KIM: So many people have compared you to Renaissance...what is your reaction to that? MARY: I don't think it's an accurate comparison. It's funny, because Annie Haslam has heard our album and we heard through the grapevine that she likes it, but she doesn't think we sound anything like them either! I don't really think she sounds anything like me, and we have a lot more harmonies. Our songs are radically different...they have that really strong classical bent where they go off into long sections of sort of pseudo-classical music. We never do that. I think there's a sort of breadth to their sound, where I don't think they are afraid of sounding big and a little bit grand. But other than that, I think we are more of an ensemble than I sense Renaissance was. DAVE: And when we perform live, our sound is edgier, and Mary gets to do her Grace Slick kind of thing. MARY: The writers and the critics who make those comparisons, after they hear us live, they say, "You know what? I was wrong." I think there's more grit to what we do, a lot more energy. It's much more grounded than the album is. That's where the comparisons tend to fall away. KIM: And you feed off the energy of the audience... DAVE: That's the key thing. We talk about the driving around and the grind of touring, but those two hours before, during and shortly after the performance - if the audience is there - it makes it worth it. Well, that's the whole interview. Like I said it's rather short, but really gives you an idea of what the band is like. Hope it didn't take up to much screen time, I never know whether I should post something like this although it seemed that when I asked around I got a positive response. *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* | Wayne A. Palmer *Ye Olde Florence Train Station* waynepalmer.delphi.com | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WXPN-Music That Needs to be Heard <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< | *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 4 Jun 94 12:22:55 PDT From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Rhodeways Hi, Thanks to Dave and Vickie's encouragement I think I will indulge myself into the Rhodeways experience. And given the personal nature of Tom Robinson's interaction with his fans I picked up a clearance Warpaint for $1.50 yesterday, which I will send to him. Once you set your mind on Happyvangelizing it seems you can't stop. Not that he would have the clout to get her exposure but I think that songs like 'Waking Up', 'To live in your world', 'Words weren't made for cowards', 'Warpaint' would be interesting enough for him, and given his fondness for interesting covers, who knows what may happen. Somehow a 'Waking Up'/'Power in the darkness' segue in a live TR show sounds interesting :-) And besides he knows a wide variety of people ranging from PG to Lucio Dalla and Elton John, so if he likes it, he might spread the word. Still trying to imagine what the cover of BTC will look like. Pillars in the back where the track listing will be somehow seem appropriate :-) In other news, I picked up a clearance 'Radio silence' CD by Boris Grebenshikov. Ultra cool!! Where have I heard this before though is the question. Was the title track a radio hit in the US? Oh, I also found an Emily Bezar Cd, and based on D^2's mention bought it. Ugh. Me no like at first listen, but will give it time. Seems I am back in the mode of more 'heavy' things to listen to. Lately, I have been in a Treat her Right/Morphine/Gigolo Aunts/O Positive frame of mind, and therefore my judgments are based on oompf of the music and not the ectophilic standards. Missing the ectoparty in the other side of the bay, I remain Angelos 'High wire fencing on the playground, high rise housing all around High rise prices on the high street, high time to pull it all down' -TR ======================================================================== From: Trish Rucker Subject: UNSUBSRIBE Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 17:01:36 -0400 (EDT) UNSUBSCRIBE etco trish_r@mind.ORG -- mind.org 404/659-5720 404/521-0445 Public Access Unix in Atlanta ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 15:39:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rod L. Bourland" Subject: Returned Mail: Member unknown: rossl2 (fwd) Don't know what I am doing wrong in trying to get this message out one last try :( Sorry if this is inconveniencing anyone. I am new to sending to the list, though not new to the list. Should I post something about myself at a later date - is that protocol? Revvie We're Waking Up, Yes, its Good; We're waking up, I knew we would; There's a growing force of people who care, In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world". - Happy Rhodes, "waking up" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 04 Jun 94 05:31:45 EDT From:Postmaster@aol.com To: bourland@netcom.com Subject: Returned Mail: Member unknown: rossl2 The mail you sent could not be delivered; it was addressed to an unknown AOL user (rossl2). The text you sent follows... This is my first time sending a letter and i don't know if it will get to everyone but I hope so. It was nice to see such a great review of Sam Phillips. I saw her in concert as an opening act, though I went for just her performance (she opened for Bruce Cockburn). Before the show I sent a hand-picked boquette of exotic flowers and a short fan letter back stage to her. I didn't think she would get it as the guard was very non-committal. But to my amazement, when she got around to singing the as yet unreleased "Strawberry Road" she said, "I would like to dedicate this to a a very loving caring man in the audience named Rod". I couldn't believe it. It was just a page-long letter I sent her with the flowers but I told her that I couldn't wait for her new release.Of course I gushed a bit and told her that her producer and husband was also great (T-Bone Phillips). But I didn't think it would warrant a dedication! :) She accompanied herself on guitar, with no back up band. I envy you that you saw her with a band. Though she was quite the solo artist. I can't wait to see her again. I hope it will be soon. I will never forget that night. And i highly recommend her albums, especially "Cruel Inventions". What wonderful melodies and beautiful lyrics. Thanks for letting me know she was touring, John. And thanks for the great review. Do you mind if I send it to her? Revvie We're Waking Up, Yes, its Good; We're waking up, I knew we would; There's a growing force of people who care, In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world". - Happy Rhodes, "waking up" ----------------------- Headers ------------------------ >From bourland@netcom.com Fri Jun 3 22:01:18 1994 Received: from ns1.rutgers.edu by mailgate.prod.aol.net with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04664; Fri, 3 Jun 94 22:01:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) id AA05322; Fri, 3 Jun 94 21:46:49 EDT Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id SAA05317; Fri, 3 Jun 1994 18:46:51 -0700 Date: Fri, 3 Jun 1994 18:46:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rod L. Bourland" To: John Relph Cc: FU_BLU_MA_LI In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: Re: REVIEW: Sam Phillips, GAMH, SF, 31 May AOL-Member: rossl2 ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rod L. Bourland" Subject: Re: Rhodesways I, too need the info, and was also wondering if there is a release date for Happy's latest album. Ist completed. Seems I heard it was in the process of being printed up (the artwork holding it up) Is this true. Also are there enough people living in the Southern California to have a ECTO get together? I would gladly host. And of course it would be open to anyone who wanmts to travel here. Also, can I get Happy's Fax number (or did I ask that already. BTW, does anyone remember an artist in the seventies named Jobriath? He only did two albums - wasn't a big seller, they tried to promote him on Bowie's glittery coattails. I have them on vinyl and consider them classics - especially his concept album "Creatures of the Street", (a very gaythemed story). If anyone sees this on cd please advise me ASAP, please. Thanks semper pax p.s. if anyones interested I could make copies of the Jobriath albums. I hope Rhino will pick up his catalogue. Revvie We're Waking Up, Yes, its Good; We're waking up, I knew we would; There's a growing force of people who care, In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world". - Happy Rhodes, "waking up" On Fri, 3 Jun 1994 barry@gnu.ai.mit.edu wrote: > Could anyone please send me information regarding Rhodesways, like how do I > get it who do I write to, how much does it cost? As of yet, I have received > no information regarding it either via snail or email > > Barry > ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 4 Jun 1994 23:09:19 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: Returned Mail: Member unknown: rossl2 (fwd) "Rod L. Bourland" : > Don't know what I am doing wrong in trying to get this message out one > last try :( Sorry if this is inconveniencing anyone. I am new to sending > to the list, though not new to the list. Should I post something about > myself at a later date - is that protocol? Hi Rod/Revvie! No, your not doing anything wrong, everyone posting to ecto usually gets returned mail. These returns are not from ecto, but from individual subscribers of ecto that are currently unreachable. If you see your own post come back to you like an ecto post then odds are everyone else reachable on ecto saw it too. I saw your post fine the first time. > Subject: Returned Mail: Member unknown: rossl2 I've been getting bounces from this address too. I usually get around 2-5 mail bounces from each ecto post, something I don't really like, but am hoping something I just did will file them seperately. Rod, you should see this message twice, since I am sending it to ecto and directly to you. /-\ |_ |= >< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu "Well most people would agree that censors are a silly breed. In fact it surprises me how they ever manage to breed at all." -- Max Headroom ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 5 Jun 1994 01:41:46 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Radio Silence (was: Rhodeways) kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis): > In other news, I picked up a clearance 'Radio silence' CD by Boris > Grebenshikov. Ultra cool!! Where have I heard this before though is the > question. Was the title track a radio hit in the US? Thomas Dolby has a song called "Radio Silence" on _The Golden Age of Wireless_, which has several popular songs like "She Blinded Me With Science". I don't remeber if "Radio Silence" got much play but that might be it. /-\ |_ |= >< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 03 Jun 1994 23:05:47 -0400 (EDT) From: WAYNEPALMER@delphi.com Subject: October Project XPress Interview This is a great interview that October Project gave to Kim Alexander from WXPN that appears in latest issue of the Xpress, the Members' Newsletter that goes out bimonthly to members of the station. Before anyone worries about copyright, I have gotten permission from 'XPN to transcribe it for distribution on the Internet. It really answers some of the questions people have had about this band and how they came about. Kim Alexander got a lot of info from them for such a short interview. The unique sound of October Project By Kim Alexander Midday host Kim Alexander caught up with David Sabatino and Mary Fahl of October Project recently and asked them questions about the band's formation, their style and the making of their debut album. KIM: I have a hunch you've all had some classical training. DAVE: There's some classical training in the backgrounds of some of the players in the band. But it's really not a factor in the music as much as some people think it is. I think most of our influences come from our likes for pop music, mine being the Beatles. Marina loves Joan Baez... MARY: I think the only think anybody brings from their classical training is a certain discipline in the way that we rehearse. We try to avoid any kind of musical cliches when we're arranging and putting the music together. I've never had classical training at all. KIM: October Project is such a unique sounding band. Is this the kind of band you envisioned yourself in? DAVE: We're often asked why it sounds the way it does... it's because we've taken all these different people with really different musical backgrounds and different likes in pop music, and put them together and it ended up sounding like October Project. I couldn't have imagine being in a band with people of totally different backgrounds and having it work. It's kind of a magical thing that we got together in the first place. MARY: The way that we got together wasn't through some kind of ad. Most bands get together because they share common musical interests, but I think one of the reasons that we sound unique is that none of us share any musical interests at all. I probably wouldn't have typically been in a band with Dave, who's extremely rock 'n roll, and grew up listening to Carlos Santana. I listen to a lot of world music and more traditional singers like Sarah Vaughan and Nina Simone. KIM: You were signed to Epic Records partly due to your big following in the New York City area. I understand that Club Sin-e was your home base. MARY: Yeah, we had played around New York for about two years at places like CBGB, the Lone Star, every place you can possibly imagine. DAVE: Every place, places we had no business being in! KIM: It's hard to imagine you at CBGB, to tell you the truth... MARY: Yeah, well, that was very interesting. They used to sandwich us in between heavy metal bands, so there would be all these metalheads out there with tattoos and beer bottles in their hands. And we'd go on and they'd be kind of raucous at first and...I guess it was music it sooth the savage beast. Actually, we had a bit of a metal following. I think we're more accessible to that kind of listener than we are to a really heavy-duty alternative listener, 'cause you know metalheads like big pop ballads! After about two years, we luckily found a home at Club Sim-e. It's a tiny, little coffeehouse run by this guy named Shane, who's from Dublin, and he made it a really accessible place for us. We played there almost every single week and the industry did start to take notice. And since than I think several other acts have gotten signed out of there, which is very exciting. KIM: Who else? MARY: I think Jeff Buckley (folk singer Tim Buckley's son) got signed out of there. KIM: So, you get signed and you go to Nashville, of all places, to make your record. Why did you choose Nashville? MARY: Our Producer, Glenn Rosenstein, is centered in Nashville and he thought - and Epic thought as well - that it would be good for us, being our first album, to get away from our natural surroundings. Glenn is very well-connected down there, so we were able to make an album that, to put it bluntly, probably sounds a lot more expensive. We couldn't have afforded to make that kind of an album in New York, and Nashville is so accessible musically. It's a wonderful place to make an album because the whole city is dedicated to doing just that, to make it easy for you in a lot of different ways. And it was a great experience. KIM: Let's talk about Julie Flanders' unique position in your band. She writes the lyrics but she's not actually a performing part of the band. MARY: That's correct. We've gotten compared to Enya, and to Renaissance, although I don't know if that's a really accurate comparison, but both of those acts also had outside lyricists who did not perform. DAVE: Other examples are The Grateful Dead, Elton John... MARY: King Crimson... DAVE: Everyone comes in with their strength. Julie writes and that's what she does best. KIM: Does she tour with you? DAVE: Very rarely. She'll go out on some promotional tours with us, but generally the day-to-day grind of going across the country is... MARY: She is fortunately spared that! KIM: So when you're off traveling and performing, is she home writing some more? MARY: Hopefully! DAVE: We have another album coming up. Julie is also pursuing an acting career. So she has her own performing outlet. KIM: So many people have compared you to Renaissance...what is your reaction to that? MARY: I don't think it's an accurate comparison. It's funny, because Annie Haslam has heard our album and we heard through the grapevine that she likes it, but she doesn't think we sound anything like them either! I don't really think she sounds anything like me, and we have a lot more harmonies. Our songs are radically different...they have that really strong classical bent where they go off into long sections of sort of pseudo-classical music. We never do that. I think there's a sort of breadth to their sound, where I don't think they are afraid of sounding big and a little bit grand. But other than that, I think we are more of an ensemble than I sense Renaissance was. DAVE: And when we perform live, our sound is edgier, and Mary gets to do her Grace Slick kind of thing. MARY: The writers and the critics who make those comparisons, after they hear us live, they say, "You know what? I was wrong." I think there's more grit to what we do, a lot more energy. It's much more grounded than the album is. That's where the comparisons tend to fall away. KIM: And you feed off the energy of the audience... DAVE: That's the key thing. We talk about the driving around and the grind of touring, but those two hours before, during and shortly after the performance - if the audience is there - it makes it worth it. Well, that's the whole interview. Like I said it's rather short, but really gives you an idea of what the band is like. Hope it didn't take up to much screen time, I never know whether I should post something like this although it seemed that when I asked around I got a positive response. *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* | Wayne A. Palmer *Ye Olde Florence Train Station* waynepalmer.delphi.com | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WXPN-Music That Needs to be Heard <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< | *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* ======================================================================== Subject: Boris Grebenshikov (was Re: Rhodeways) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 94 22:37:19 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Angelos writes: >In other news, I picked up a clearance 'Radio silence' CD by Boris >Grebenshikov. Ultra cool!! Where have I heard this before though is the >question. Was the title track a radio hit in the US? I've been pushing this album, in minor ways, on Ecto for almost 3 years now. "Radio Silence" was a minor hit in the US; I think I saw the video more often than I heard the song on the radio. I mentioned it most recently when I posted about buying the Milla album. I've mentioned it over the years largely because of the BVs by the likes of Annie Lennox and Siobhan-what's-her-name. The album was produced by Dave Stewart. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:29:40 +0100 From: bridgesm@logica.co.uk (Martin G Bridges) Subject: Hi! And thanks for the recommendations Hi there! Well, I've been lurking around here for a while now, but felt wary about popping my head up until I had something interesting to say. Well, here it is - judge for yourslves its interesting-ness, but remember it's 9.20am on a Monday! Hanging around this list, and the IRC channel, you can't help but pick up recommendations of other artists. The biggest problem I have is deciding which ones to go for! I can't afford all of them, especially with the extortionate CD pricing over here in the UK. I started with Tori, then from talk on RDT picked up Equipoise. Took a while to grow, but it's there now! While in the States I picked up Sarah's "Touch". This sorta started me on a major female vocalist swing. Then recently I started hearing a lot about Milla, and the odd mention of Indigo Girls. So, while doing my regular Staurday wander around the record shop I picked up the new Indigo Girls album and the Milla single ('Gentleman Who Fell'). The IG album is wonderful, truly wondrous. Works fine on an ol REM fan like me! As regards Milla - well, the jury's out and contemplating. So, al in all, thanks a bunch to the lot of ya! You've cost me a fortune! But keep at it - it's great to be amongst such a great bunch of people with great taste. And not a single angry word - so unlike RDT these days! Take care, and see ya around, Martin, the BigGuy *------------------------------------------------------------------------* The above opinions are all mine:Martin Bridges Logica Space & Communications Ltd,Stephenson House, 67-87 Hampstead Road, London NW1 2PL, England. Tel: +44 (0)71-637 9111 Fax: +44 (0)71-383 0530. *------------------------------------------------------------------------* >>>.............I don't exist when you don't see me....................<<< ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Mon, 6 Jun 94 13:04:33 BST Subject: Tom Robinson I have to second what Angelos says about TR. I sent Tom a letter on friday and I got a personal reply today - he phoned me up :-) I hope he likes the Happy Rhodes CD that Angelos is going to send him. tim ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 06:35:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Rod L. Bourland" Subject: Re: Tom Robinson, social commentary and "Waking up" Is this the Tom Robinson from the U.K. who is openly gay and had the hit "Glad to be Gay" in the seventies? I wish I still had his recordings. Are they available now on CD? I had them on vinyl but they were stolen. I really enjoyed his music and also like the fact that he wasn't afraid to take stands on various social issues. And speaking of not being afraid of taking stands, its nice to be a part of ecto, where all (so far) I have come into contact were of the "live and let live" attitude. IMHO, ectophiles are becoming a subculture of their own; Thats why I have "waking Up' in my signature. The world may just be waking up - hope its not too late. T'm a former hippie turned yippie turned yuppie and finally emerging in my forty somethings as an "Ectophile". Which seems to cross generational lines. (what is this Generation X stuff anyway)? I think we may have learned from the mistakes of the sixties counterculture and have benifited by their "awakenings" - i.e. the environment, womens rights, gay rights, etc.. Though we have a way to go on these and other issues, still I think there are changes a'coming. Yes, Happy, we _are_ waking up...... P.S. Can someone give me the info on Tom Robinson's releases on CD? Label, fax number :) I would like to talk to him too! Revvie We're Waking Up, Yes, its Good; We're waking up, I knew we would; There's a growing force of people who care, In all the years of struggle it seems we're making way, I have never been afraid to change the circumstances of the world". - Happy Rhodes, "waking up" On Mon, 6 Jun 1994, Tim Cook wrote: > I have to second what Angelos says about TR. I sent Tom a letter on friday > and I got a personal reply today - he phoned me up :-) > > I hope he likes the Happy Rhodes CD that Angelos is going to send him. > > tim > ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:25:54 -0500 From: iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu Subject: New address On Friday I am leaving Chicago and winding my way to Albuquerque, New Mexico, for three months of sun and papers. For anyone in the area, pick up a copy of the Albuquerque Tribune (the pm paper) in about 2 1/2 weeks and look for my byline! I will have net access there, but it won't be this address. Unfortunately, I don't know what my new net address will be yet, but I will let y'all know. My new snail mail address is: Valerie Nozick 801 Locust Place, NE Apt. # 2214 Albuquerque, NM 87102 I'll have this account when I return to Chicago in September, and I will continue to get e-mail until Friday. ==> valerie ========================================================================== iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu "Patience, Iago. He was obviously less than worthy." -- Jafar "The hardest to learn was the least complicated." -- Indigo Girls ========================================================================== ======================================================================== From: snpf@lucid.com (Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson) Subject: Re: Boris Grebenshikov (was Re: Rhodeways) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 08:15:29 -0700 (PDT) > Angelos writes: > > >In other news, I picked up a clearance 'Radio silence' CD by Boris > >Grebenshikov. Ultra cool!! Where have I heard this before though is the > >question. Was the title track a radio hit in the US? > > I've been pushing this album, in minor ways, on Ecto for almost 3 years > now. "Radio Silence" was a minor hit in the US; I think I saw the video > more often than I heard the song on the radio. > > I mentioned it most recently when I posted about buying the Milla album. > > I've mentioned it over the years largely because of the BVs by the likes of > Annie Lennox and Siobhan-what's-her-name. The album was produced by Dave > Stewart. > > Jeff > Yes, the title track was a hit in the US, in 1992? or so. I really like this album. In Maryland he was on a radio show, and he said cool things--like that music is living and is created with the listener each time it is played. He was the first person from the Soviet Union to get a contract with an American record company (Columbia?), and some called him the equivalent of Bob Dylan in the Soviet Union (yes, now defunct)...well known and respected folk singer kind who is political. Soviet Union was a big place, though. Was there a thread of unification through Boris G.? ECTO PARTY REPORT: Many people flaked (or seemed to). But it was fun. Eric came first, then Jessica, then John Relph and his friend Jenny. Oh, and I was there. We talked and ate chocolate (we had to eat it all by ourselves!) and fruit and crackers and brie. Then we played frisbee (and I'm sore-hmpf). Was fun. (Legendary Pink Dots has a Clockwork Orange feel) -seanympf ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:18:40 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: New NIN video tonight, foot extraction Since there are people here who like NIN: A new NIN video is supposed to be premiered on US MTV's Alternative Nation tonight, according to 120 Minutes' guest host Juliana Hatfield. It's rumoured I posted: > > In other news, I picked up a clearance 'Radio silence' CD by Boris > > Grebenshikov. Ultra cool!! Where have I heard this before though is the ... > Thomas Dolby has a song called "Radio Silence" on _The Golden Age of Umm, never mind, I completely misinterpreted the question and I obviously don't know anything about Boris. Insert appropriate sig... 8*) /-\ |_ |= >< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu "I don't want to be younger. I look back 2 years and realize what a jerk I was, but with that comes the realization that I'm a jerk now. I think that's why old people don't move much. 'I'm such an idiot, I think I'll just stand here.'" -- probably Dennis Miller ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Seattlephiles? Date: Mon, 6 Jun 1994 09:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Hiya folks! Well, it looks like I may be able to make the trek up to the Vancouver EctoFest! What I'd like to do is come up to Seattle early in the week or even the weekend before and explore Seattle for the week (since I'm still convinced I want to spend my life there even though I've never even been there) 8) What I'd like to know is if any kind Seattlephiles can provide EctoHostel lodging for myself and my girlfriend. Even bare floorspace will suffice. The cost of the plane tickets is going to more of less decimate my bank account and leave little money left for hotel fare. Also, if there's any room for a Seattle/Vancouver carpool, I'd love to join in. We're looking into flying into and out of Sea-Tac, and then using public transportation to poke around town.. If anyone has ideas or whatever, please let me know! *Many* thanks in advance, and *HUGS*! br!an (the moo-man, stuck in Texas. ick.) -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)