Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #598 ecto, Number 598 Tuesday, 8 June 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* 'nother morph... Hello Re: Roskilde and other things... Re: Artists playing at Roskilde Suspended in Ecto U2 Re: Was lost, but now am foundering... Re: thank you mr. burka concert recordings ======================================================================== From: rjk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Date: Fri, 4 Jun 1993 23:47:20 -0500 Subject: 'nother morph... JESSICA: It's in the usual place; transfer it to the archives when you get a chance. Everybody Else: 8) Available Real Soon Now will be the indisputable proof that you've all been waiting for. I was finally able to digitize the TOP SECRET video tape that I took of Happy backstage at Phily when she didn't know anyone was looking and let her guard slip, revealing the Kate Inside. ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) Seriously though, this one is pretty good, IMHO, considering I had to electronically amputate Happy's hand (sorry) since I couldn't find a pic of Kate with two fingers painting her cheek. SIGH! What I wouldn't give for a nice color full face shot of Happy, Kate, and Tori. I could get a gaffan war mob after me! Anyway, once again for those without facilities to play fli files, I have included gifs of the steps involved. All of them, in fact. JESSICA: feel free to weed similar ones out if space is of a concernt; I tried to just pick a few, but some of them are just so eerie that I figured I'd put them all there and leave you the burden ;) In fact, you might notice that the date on the .fli file is quite old; it has indeed been done for a while. I, however, have been on a much much much needed break from all things academic, which unfortunately included such things as ecto and rdt. I have been skimming over the backlog of posts and while I'm far from done (just over 1M of compressed mail to go through...) I did in passing catch a plea for other St. Louis Ectophiles and feel obligated to not only raise my hand as a St. Louis Ectophile but a Wash U Ectophile. Julianne's arival at WashU would therefore be a doubling of Wash U Ectophiles, were it not for the fact that I graduated last month. And regarding said "Alternative" station, while better than the standard fare, is "Commercial Alternative" in every sense of the word, with DeeJays that seem to have been transplanted from your common, run-of-the-mill Top 40 station with all the same cliche'd phrases and inantity. Poking long, hot pieces of metal through one's eardrums is a much more pleasant aural sensation, IMHO. I know I intended to post something about it to these pages long ago when it converted from a Phil Collins/Michael Bolton/etc. station to its current format simply to fill a "market niche". I cannot for the life of me remember if I did or not, however. One last thing since I've rambled on this long about things of little importance to ecto as a whole except that it does involve surnames, a topic of several posts of late I beleive: Julianne, any relation to the Dunphy that currently (or use to) attend Wash U? Enough writing. I've got plenty of reading to do. bob "Oh, the angst" -- Cookie Monster ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 23:03:11 MET From: amipb@amipb.gna.org (Philippe Berard) Subject: Hello Hello ectophiles ! I'm new to this mailing-list, so I must conform to the directives first : I'm a 24 years old, 1.80 meters tall with a 41 shoe size (approx. 27 cm, I don't know what's the common measure in the US). My main interests are, for computers : programming, graphics (image processing and 3D) and music (MIDI). My favourite computer is the Amiga (what else ?) :-) My other interests are : religions, past civilizations, astronomy and music. Well, too much for the features. I've comed to this list because Vickie Mapes, the WretchAwry clone to which I send a great big humpf! (private joke :-) ), who have known me on the Kate Bush mailing-list (love-hounds), asked to Steve Fagg to send me a sampler tape of Happy Rhodes work (wait a little more, Steve, you'll get my greetings in the next mail :-) ), and to report my impressions on this list. Now, I've listened to it too many times to tell you the correct number, and I find it quite impressive and delightful. Desperatly, I don't have enough time this evening to write the complete review, so I should post it next week (7-11 June). As you may guess, it will be quite positive :-) Regards, -- Philippe PS : Sorry for the looonnnnnggg delay, Vickie, but my mail/news feed has some *serious* problems these days (and I think that receiving 5 mailing-lists is maybe a part of the problem) but, well, here I am, finally ! ;) .----------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Philippe Berard (French Amiga User) | UseNet : amipb@amipb.gna.org | | "They hold a cup of wisdom, | -> Please don't send mails | | But there is nothing within" (Kate Bush). | >50 Ko ! | `----------------------------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1993 13:45:41 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Roskilde and other things... In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <199306030633.AAhnoss.ifi.uio.no02043@hnoss.ifi.uio.no>, you wrote: > Are there any Ectophiles planning to go to the Roskilde festival? A bit out of the way for me, unfortunately... :-) > Hmm, I should type in the list so that I could get recommendations > what to see from you lot! I'll send it in a separate message, since it > is so long. See The Cranberries. Then buy the album. :^) (By the way, those of you waiting on my promised interview - it's coming real soon now, I just have to find the spare time to type it in...!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sat, 05 Jun 93 08:00:26 -0400 From: Michael Matthews >Hello ectophiles ! Hiya, Philippe. >I'm new to this mailing-list, so I must conform to the directives first : >I'm a 24 years old, 1.80 meters tall with a 41 shoe size (approx. >27 cm, I don't know what's the common measure in the US). Assuming shoe sizes here in the US are given in inches (which is pretty close for my feet), that's about a 10.5. >My main interests are, for computers : programming, graphics (image >processing and 3D) and music (MIDI). My favourite computer is the >Amiga (what else ?) :-) WHAT ELSE???? Ooooo, them be feudin' words! :-) :-) :-) Welcome to Ecto. If you will be tempted like me to buy all six of Happy's CDs at once, you may want to do it in moderation (e.g. buy two a week or something); that's an awful lot of tunes to absorb at once. Not that I'm complaining, mind you... >Regards, >-- Philippe ------ Mike Matthews, matthews@ectds.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Lubarsky's Law of Cybernetic Entomology: There's always one more bug. ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 20:43:26 +0800 From: m.dougiamas@info.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas) Subject: Re: Artists playing at Roskilde Wow! What an event! IMHO, you should add a "+" next to both Chris Isaak and Barenaked Ladies. I've only heard a few songs by Barenaked Ladies, but they were very good. I have every song by Chris Isaak, however, and love them as if they were my own. (I like the current release least, though ... too C&W for me...) The Ecto File returns soon to a screen near you! (At last) Martin -- .---- _ . ---------------------------------+-------------------------------. | _r| Ll\ Martin Dougiamas, Ectophile | You ask so many questions, | | | |_|__\ m.dougiamas@info.curtin.edu.au | What answers should I choose? | |->\ |_|_ / Curtin University | Is it schizoid paranoia | | ~~ `_' Perth, Western Australia | or just existential blues? | |_______ v __________________________________|___________ T-Bone Stankus __| ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 5 Jun 93 11:13 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Suspended in Ecto Hello Ecto, And hello Phillipe, welcome to fuzzy blue ecto! It's great to see this list growing! What are the other lists to which you subscribe? Just want to second the advice on buying Happy's albums in mass! There is so much to get into on each album that it's better to get one or two (pref one!) at a time. Repeated listenings bring out nuances. It's like a rich meal! I think the Amiga is a nice computer, but it seems Commodore is intent on shooting itself in the foot. They've already given up on the US market, and from what I hear, support is mediocre at best. Still, the Amigas I've seen were impressive technically. I especially like their video output, which conforms nicely to real television. One of my clients (I'm in video postproduction) uses his Amiga for animation, bypassing film. It's a different look, but also a nice one! So, welcome to ecto! It's also nice to hear from Martin and bob, long time no see! bob, is that new morph a fli or a flick? I thought the last morph there was a flick... Does flick run on a PC? (I have a fli viewer)... After all the initial FTP excitement, Genie still hasn't delivered my articles yet! Mayhaps later... brni, I have indeed pestered XPN to play Gentle Giant. I have also pestered them to play "Cohabitants" and "Closer". No luck so far. Vickie, I hope you've checked your mailbox by now! BTW, if you have E-Z FTP access, you might want to put that review in the reviews directory! Also, I haven't gotten in touch with Polly yet wrt a video, but hope to do so soon. I have alerted Susanne, however. Anthony, how goes the quest for Australian distribution? Chris B, how goes the quest for Australian rock? :) And so, till the next time we come 'round the corner and up your street, this is Bob, your friendly poet-philosopher, saying: 'Bye! -foop- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Jun 93 22:06 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: U2 Hiya, today I was told that I was an unwilling, unknowing and unasked listener of the U2 concert that took place on Wednesday in the Frankfurter Waldstadion. That stadium is about 10 km away from here, and what I say (about un* listeners) is valid for regions even more (20 km and more) far away from it: We all witnessed the lowest 5 to 10 Hz of the concert. Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! Woommm! ..... ... ... .. ... .. . Has anyone else here made this experience somewhere else in this world? Are the members of U2 able to hear ANYTHING after that >1 year world tour? Bye, Uli ======================================================================== From: rjk1@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1993 20:05:25 -0500 Subject: Re: Suspended in Ecto Robert Lovejoy writes: > So, welcome to ecto! It's also nice to hear from Martin and bob, > long time no see! bob, is that new morph a fli or a flick? I thought > the last morph there was a flick... Does flick run on a PC? (I have a > fli viewer)... I really ought to try and find out more about all of this, but my impression is (and it may be inaccurate in places...) that .fli and .flc are very similar formats; the main differences being that the .fli format supports a maximum resolution of 320x200, while .flc is, as far as I know, unlimitted. This, coupled with the fact that .flc headers appear to be a bit different, causes some .fli players to choke on some .flc files. Regarding players, there is a player (play) on hardees that can handle both, but from what I can tell from testing it on about half a dozen different machines, it is very picky about what it will perform on (obviously the amount of memory on the video card plays a role, but there appears to be more to it than that; perhaps adherence to VESA standards) . Anyway, I kept this in mind and scaled the starting pictures down to < 320x200 and was able to produce a .fli file that many players (ibm based, anyway) can handle. I have heard tale of a player for X, but have not had any luck locating it as I don't even know its name. I should also note that it was zipped using version 2.04g of pkzip; any unarchiving problems are probably based on version incompatabilities. If all else fails, get the gifs; not as neat, but still interesting. enjoy bob ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1993 15:55:37 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Was lost, but now am foundering... In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <9306041954.AA02024@carmel>, you wrote: [Wow, I'm posting a lot today. Sorry for being so garrulous, folks.. :-)] > Well, it was probably due to the vibes and their effect on analog recording > media that can't be captured by digital recordings... Woj was probably happy > that day, and the ecto-collective vibe-machine was in full Happy mode. > [Couldn't resist, I am sorry... ;-)] Greg should have considered the > disadvantages of a digital recording before proceeding... Digital recording technology doesn't seem to have hurt "Warpaint" or "Equipoise" any... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- my laserdisc player also plays CDs... > Ecto. This is quite amazing. The songs which stand out for me are Would Favorites for me from Ecto at the moment are If So (it's been stuck in my head for days now, and I even heard it last night while I was out - the strange thing being that the club I was at was in the process of playing Nine Inch Nails' "Wish" at 180 decibels. And what pops into my head, but "If So"! Strange. But then again, that's my multitasking mind for you...). "Look For The Child" I absolutely adore, and in fact it was one of the first Happy songs I heard. It still gets to me every time. I don't know if it really counts as Ecto, though... > Rearmament. This didn't make as great impression on me at first because > it followed to closely upon my Ecto buy and I didn't have the patience > for it. Now it has taken up a semi-permanent place in my cd player and > I must say that I think this is quite amazing as well. I have a heart inside, > she's begging me for suicide. I've put this on a few times and have had > to put this song on repeat. Be Careful What you Say has found a place > on my running tape and I have a question about this song. Just let me interrupt there, and say that this wonderful and somewhat unexpected song reminds me a lot of Peter Gabriel earlier on his earlier solo albums. Just an observation... :-) Perfect Irony, by the way, is wonderful. Totally wonderful. > It seems that there are two positions being argued in the song. One being > that no matter how young you are, you have a right to your feelings and > a right to express what you think. The chorus seems to be saying, watch > what your saying, you're young and you don't know what you are talking > about. Am I correct about this and does anyone else have any thoughts > on this song? My take on this one was that the verses are putting forward the commonly held point of view that you should always speak your mind and be honest to the point of tactlessness with people - it's sort of saying, "this is what you've been told? Well, what *I* say is this..." and then the chorus, which is Happy's advice to those people. [That's the best I can do on a Sunday, sorry!] ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1993 15:42:49 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Hello In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <9306042203.AA00eju@amipb.gna.org>, you wrote: > Hello ectophiles ! > > I'm new to this mailing-list, so I must conform to the directives first : What directives? :-) Hey, they let *me* in here, so I think you'll be fine! (Hiya, and welcome!) > My main interests are, for computers : programming, graphics (image > processing and 3D) and music (MIDI). My favourite computer is the > Amiga (what else ?) :-) I can see it coming, computer wars in Ecto... :^) Just kidding... but I am rather fond of my large square Amiga-like beastie myself... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1993 15:48:38 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: thank you mr. burka In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <9306041133.AA19874@syrinx.umd.edu>, you wrote: > >Massacred? How? It sounds fine to me, considering the budget on which it > >was recorded... > > You misunderstand. There's another version of "The Chase" that's about > 8 minutes long, appearing on the original VII cassette from 1986. It's > definitely preferable to the version on the CD, though I'm sure there are > a few heathens who would claim it's too repetitive and thus prefer the > shorter CD version. Ahh, I see... unless it was edited for reasons of CD space... (checks)... nope, that's only a 49 minute disc. Strange. Maybe it suffered tape damage during the latter part of the song. Or maybe Happy decided it was too long. "In Hiding" from Warpaint seems to fade out prematurely, too... > I'd always assumed that the CD version was merely an edit of the tape version, > but what Mike says about the key change kind of implies a different > recording. Unless maybe his tape just always played at the wrong speed. ;-) The sampler tape that Ilka did for me played a fraction too fast, and as a result when I got the discs, the songs on the tape sounded s-l-o-w! I'm used to their correct speed now, though... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "Something about this place makes me lose a grip on time and space..." - Saint Etienne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: concert recordings Date: Sun, 06 Jun 93 07:52:21 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Anthony Horgan asks, re: Doug Burks: >Do you have his e-mail address by any chance? How well is the concert >recorded...? dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu In case he hasn't been following Ecto lately, tell him you're a recent ectophile. Happy graciously allowed "us" to record the concerts, but requested that only ectophiles get copies of it. >Wouldn't the digital Philly concert be an improvement in the sound quality >department (did the person doing the recording hijack some outputs from the >mixing desk, or just stand in the crowd?) a) there will *always* be a huge arguement over which is a better recording process. Digital "loses" data, albeit minute quantities. Analog can be less precise at reproduction _and_ can introduce unwanted sounds through the recording and playback medium. b) both concerts were essentially recorded "in the crowd." Albany was recorded by woj, he had his recording walkman with him, as well as lapel mic he's very found of (and I must admit he's gotten impressive quality off it). Philly was recorded from a setup placed by a wall away from the audience. c) actual recording "quality" is probably about the same. Neither sounds professional, but I'd say both are better than the Kate Bush boots I own. d) my own feeling as to why Albany sounds better is based purely on the acoustics of the performance hall. The QEII, a bar, seems to have a much warmer sound. The Philly concert was in this really odd building. Essentially it was a stone cylinder with a peaked ceiling. The sound wasn't so bad where the Ectophiles were sitting (3rd row center), but the recording equipment was at the outside edge by part of the curved stone wall (I *almost* said "one of the walls...;-) e) Somebody apparently accidentally turned off the Philly recording equipment about 2/3 of the way into the show. The Philly tape is missing, amongst others, "Warpaint," "In Hiding," "Mother Sea," "He Will Come/The Flight," and "Would That I Could" (the song which set off this whole thread!). Ironically, the one song from the Philly concert that had made me very urgent to get the tape in the first place, "Where Do I Go," was the next song after the recorder shut off. The live version of that song is intensely powerful and blows away the recording on VII. It may be the only live song I'd say that about, though most of the other ones also have moments that are very notable... Jeff ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Was lost, but now am foundering... Date: Sun, 06 Jun 93 07:59:01 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Anthony wrote: >[Wow, I'm posting a lot today. Sorry for being so garrulous, folks.. :-)] Don't worry. We'll let you know when we start getting annoyed... (Jeffy, the ecto leader and resident anti-christ has spoken....) >> Well, it was probably due to the vibes and their effect on analog recording >> media that can't be captured by digital recordings... Woj was probably happy >> that day, and the ecto-collective vibe-machine was in full Happy mode. >> [Couldn't resist, I am sorry... ;-)] Greg should have considered the >> disadvantages of a digital recording before proceeding... > >Digital recording technology doesn't seem to have hurt "Warpaint" or >"Equipoise" any... Heh heh. That was a *joke*. Recently, there was a massive flamewar in Love-Hounds involving an ex-ectophile and generally insane person named Jorn Barger. In the midst of this flamewar, he ranted about Ecto and the list's readers. He accused me of being an egomaniacal fascist of some sort who managed to somehow control Ecto and turn all of its readers against him. The whole flamewar started, though, with a digital/analog arguement about the fact that digital media couldn't store Jorn's posited emotional vibes, while analog media can pick up the vibes you put out when you listen to the music, thereby allowing you to feel those vibes again upon a later playback. Jorn was unwilling to listen to any notion that his concept, interesting as it actually was, might simply be a matter of subconscious aural cues that accumulate. When _Warpaint_ came out in '91, it was popular for Happy Rhodes fans to gloat about how much better this low-budget upstart from Albany's recording sounded than KaTe's latest, _The Sensual World_. Most Kate fans would agree that TSW is a fairly miserable recording (this doesn't, however, stop it from being one of my most listened-to KaTe albums) Jeff ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)