Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #592 ecto, Number 592 Wednesday, 2 June 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Personal info & DID Annie Lennox Unplugged on MTV Europe test Lost in Cherry Hill! HB, Cure & Ma mushing John Allen Paulos never had to deal with my mailer Charlotte Sometimes Re: HB, Cure & Ma mushing Ectophiles Guide: Call for Q & R Submissions None ectogather --- NOT! Re: Welcome (backs) and; Re: Klaus/2 How I spent my vacation from posting The Box ======================================================================== From: bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu (Michael Bowman) Subject: Personal info & DID Date: Mon, 31 May 93 10:45:55 PDT Well I've been subscribed to Ecto for about 9 months and have finally gotten around to posting the personal information. I've also included my desert island discs and would like to see other's a well. Michael Bowman 735 SW St Clair #806 Portland, OR 97205-1458 503/295-2679 bowman@lib.pdx.edu born 4/11/62 occupation - librarian shoe size - 10B 1st heard about Happy on Love-Hounds My (non-classical) desert island discs: Amos, Tori. Little Earthquakes Bush, Kate. The Dreaming Bush, Kate. Hounds of Love Clapton, Eric. Crossroads Cocteau Twins. Head Over Heels Enya. Watermark McKennitt, Loreena. The Visit McLachlan, Sarah. Solace Rhodes, Happy. Warpaint U2. Achtung Baby ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 30 May 93 16:57 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Annie Lennox Unplugged on MTV Europe Hiya, all MTV Europe viewers, pay attention: On Sunday, June 6, 1993, 18:00-18:30 CET, MTV Europe will broadcast MTV Unplugged with Annie Lennox The show was recorded on the Montreux Jazz Festival in July 1992. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== From: depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (S. A. Ezust) Date: Mon, 31 May 93 17:21:06 EDT Subject: test test -- | Alan Ezust depeche@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| THIS E-MAIL ADDRESS WILL BE CHANGED TO EZUST@CS.MCGILL.CA SOMETIME NEXT WEEK!! ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Mon, 31 May 93 21:39:00 EDT Subject: Lost in Cherry Hill! Hello Ecto! Seems my regular service is down, somehow a bad packet is wedged in the queue and is crashing the system when I try to download my mail. If for any reason anyone needs to reach me, I can hopefully be reached at my old address, r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com - and I say Hope, 'cause I haven't used Genie since I found SAI. I'm afeared we may be losing Meredith on Genie as they have just announced a rate increase! A nice welcome for the Prodigy refugees! Anyway, I've been missing all the mail and digests since last Friday. I did send in a request for bounce mail which I think got out OK. Hope all is well with you, and I'll write again as soon as things get cleared up! Take care, you glorious ectophiles! Missing you all - Bob L. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 1:45:16 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: HB, Cure & Ma mushing Hi, a belated HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Michael Bowman! (belated Welcome too...) My son Adrian is out of school for the summer and is working in Lansing, Kansas. He's working his way through his "Classics to Read" list and wants to know the name of the book that the Cure song "Charlotte Sometimes" was based on, so he can try to find it. I'd ask on the Cure list, but I know there are lots of Cure fans here too (Laura?). Is there a full list of books that Cure songs have been based on? (He's already read _The Stranger_.) (It's cool, he said he had just checked out _Wuthering Heights_ from the library and I asked him why. He said "because it's a classic, and because of the Kate Bush song"...yay!) Excuse me while I brag a little bit more...(it's ok, now that he's off the net for the summer :-)...)...he ended up his freshman year with a 3.1 average (though he says he's disappointed, but hey, he took some classes he ended up not liking and he *HATED* living in a dorm. Next year he'll be sharing a 3-bedroom apartment.) He's taking (right word?) a double major, Spanish and Film, which seems pretty set. As I said, he's working through the summer, and will be able to come up and visit in August. I'm so proud of him, he's a great guy!! (Okay Ma, that's enough...:-)) Kiri, *hug*, it was great having you here! Vickie (all movied out. We have watched so many movies this weekend, I've hardly been on the net at all.) Yay Bulls!! (yes, we fair-weather fans have been watching all the games.) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 9:00:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: John Allen Paulos never had to deal with my mailer Hi all, Well, I've FINALLY managed to type in the John Allen Paulos article about innumercy and other things mathematical that appeared in a recent(?) OMNI magazine. For those of you who are still interested, or can remember back that far, just email me direct for copies, as I don't want to use up valuable bandwidth for this minority-oriented posting. That weird bit of electric taste stuff (the question about the battery.....) is STILL in mothballs..... Klaus, is the information for subscribing to The Box on the CD or what? Chris ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 07:56:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Charlotte Sometimes Charlotte Sometimes isn't exactly a classic--it's a (in North America at least) rather obscure British children's book from the 60s by Penelope Farmer. I first heard about it from a book called _In Defense of Fantasy_ and found a copy and read it. Of course right after that I heard the song, which was fun. I'll have to look to see if I still own it or not. Anyway, Vickie, you can tell your son that it's a good but not essential book. He could probably find it in a public library in the children's books. I found a copy for myself in Britain. The university library here has a copy in their children's section. Here's the info from their catalog entry: Farmer, Penelope, 1939-. Connor, Chris. MT Charlotte sometimes / Penelope Farmer, pictures by Chris Connor. ED [1st American ed.] PI New York, Harcourt, Brace & World [1969] --Neile ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Jun 93 13:02:34 EDT From: Laura Frank Clifford Subject: Re: HB, Cure & Ma mushing Vickie, I see Neile already got back to you on Charlotte. There are more, though. 'How Beautiful You Are' is from a poem by Beaudelaire (sp?). Also 'The Drowning Man' is from the Gormenghast trilogy by Mervyn Peake. And 'Love Cats' was inspired by the movie 'The Aristocats'.... There's another reference to another Camus book, but I can't think of it offhand. Also, you should let your son know that Porl's no longer with the band.... Laura ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 10:34:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ectophiles Guide Subject: Ectophiles Guide: Call for Q & R Submissions Hello to everyone! Here is the next call for submissions to An Ectophiles Guide to Good Music. This is an open call for opinions about artists/groups whose names start with Q &R. Guess who that means! The idea of the Guide is to let us share our musical enthusiasms with each other. **The important thing is you being able to share what you think is important about this music.** Please, everyone, send at least your opinions of these artists. We welcome any and all participation and would like to receive as many opinions on as many artists as possible. Please respond with to: ethelred@u.washington.edu by Wednesday, June 16. Deadline for responses to N,O, and P is June 9. Late responses will likely not make it into the first edition of the Guide. --------The Ectophiles Guide to Artists starting with Q & R-------- THE ARTISTS: Queen Ida, Queen Latifah, Rainbirds, Eddi Reader, John Renbourne Group, **Happy Rhodes**, Rig & PanicRip, Sonya Robinson, Roches, Clara Rockmore, Gabrielle Roth We would like as many opinions/comments about Happy as possible! Gushing is perfectly acceptable. ;) THE FORM: Name of artist (Band/Singer): Country of origin: Type of music (ethereal/rock/folk) generally: Covers/own material?: Other groups artist has played with [for See also section]: Comparisons: General Comments: Recommended first album: Recordings: Title: Year of Release: Label & Country (and address if indie): Catalogue #s: Availability (mention country if applicable): Ecto priority (must have/recommended/recommended for certain tastes [please specify]): Group Members/ Backing Musicians: Comments (please keep brief as you can while still including the information/description you feel is necessary): Do you own this recording? [answer will not appear in actual guide]: --[please repeat recording info for each recording you want to talk about]-- Further info (eg. fan club address): NOTES: --Please respond with one artist per message. It will make it way easier for us to sort through incoming messages). If you can use the artist's/ group's name as the subject line that will help even more. --Our aim is to give you a chance to share info about the music that interests you (and that doesn't) and why--to help to other ectophiles looking for new music. --We included a comparisons section because even though in principle we don't like them, in practice they're useful. --Unless you request otherwise, your name & email address will be attached to the subjective stuff. --Please use smilies to indicate any sarcasm or humour(!!). --Don't feel compelled to fill in each section if it's awkward for you to get the info. If we have blanks we can try to fill them in later. This isn't meant to be a discography of each artist--its main function is to give us a more organized way of letting each other know about artists we love and want to talk about and think other ectophiles might be interested in (or might need to be warned about). --If an artist has a number of albums please give quick reviews of each that you feel you can talk about. --We reserve the right to (carefully, gently) edit responses. --Please send responses only to ethelred@u.washington.edu; send comments/questions to neile@u.washington.edu or marylou@bnr.ca --Deadline for Q & R: June 16. Late messages will be accepted, but likely won't appear in the first edition of the guide. ------------------------------- Again, please respond with one artist per message by June 16 to ethelred@u.washington.edu Thanks to you all. Eagerly anticipating your responses... --The Ectophiles Guide Crew (volunteers welcome :) ) If you have questions or comments please email: Neile Graham (neile@u.washington.edu) or Mary Lou Rowe (marylou@bnr.ca) ======================================================================== Date: 1 Jun 1993 13:01:59 -0600 From: "Julianne Dunphy" Subject: None None Hi hi hi! I saw "Dave" about a week ago and just loved it!!! I thought it was cute and very insightful (into what I'm not sure :) But anyway... I would recommend this movie, its really entertaining. (Of course, my opinion might be somewhat due to the fact that I *love* Kevin Kline). *sigh* Vickie, congratulations on your son's successes! You have every right to be proud! Where does he go to college? Later all, Julianne "let's take the dance floor" Dunphy ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Ectophiles Guide: Call for Q & R Submissions Date: Tue, 01 Jun 93 14:12:33 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis neile writes: >We would like as many opinions/comments about Happy as possible! Gushing >is perfectly acceptable. ;) *******G U S H*********? About Happy? Ah, come on... ;-) Angelos P.S. How can you make a comment or even state an opinion about Happy? She is an example of how creative and successful an artist can be given enough talent, dedication, hard work, and encouragement. My mind cannot begin to imagine what it would be like in an ideal world, where Happy would have record company support (translation $$$$) to pursue her artistic dreams fully. Someone in the past (or was it the SiG interview?) mentioned she used to perform in Albany by singing and painting at the same time. If I have one complaint, it's that she doesn't have the support required to perform on a regular basis, which would most probably boost her creativity and would lead her to new ways of expressing herself and thus annihilate all the lame competition and make her join the ranks of contemporary greats for a larger fraction of the world population than the estimated 1/1,000,000 which has been exposed to her music/art. ======================================================================== Date: 01 Jun 93 14:25:10 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: ectogather --- NOT! If you happened to be on the island of Manhattan on Memorial Day and noticed a man in ecto-garb wandering aimlessly through the streets and avenues looking strangers in the eye in the hope of recognition, well that was probably me. It all seemed so doable, too. I spoke to Meth the night before (good voice, ay?) and she suggested we meet at a place (I will never forget the name) Serendipity. She said it was in the Village --- Christopher St. --- and that I could find the exact address in the phone book. Well, needless to say I should have looked it up right then and there, but, dummy me, I figured I'd look it up in the morning. Well, you guessed it, come the A.M. and the only mention of Serendipity in any Manhattan directory is 60th St. Certainly not the village, and no where near Christopher. And of course by the time I ascertained this sobering item of information, it was too late to call them in New Haven (at least, that was assuming they would be on time... maybe I should have called and at least left a message... oh well). But then, there was still hope for 2 reasons. One, the assigned meeting time, and two, the meeting place. The time was supposed to be 1pm and it just so happened that the person I was staying with had a friend coming in from New Haven on a train that arrived at 12:38pm. So naturally we thought that the odds were good that Meth and Woj would be arriving on the very same train. So, I accompanied my friend down to Grand Central, arriving just as said train was letting out, with the profound hope that I could head them off at the pass and salvage the day. No such luck. I saw no one who looked like M&W, and no one noticed my ecto shirt. The second contingency was much more tentative. I assumed that M&W and do the same thing I was about to do: head to the Village, Christopher St. specifically, and look for the imaginary restaurant. So I hopped on the 1-train and got off at said exit at about 1:07pm. Well, after traversing Christopher St. a good 5 or 6 times, I figured the chances were decreasing rapidly. I decided to wander aimlessly through the rest of the village (which, luckily, was quite empty that day, making the chance of an ecto-sighting at least realistic) looking for them. I hit all the spots I could find: Bleeker Bobs, and a few other out of the way CD stores. I must have wandered around there for a good hour and a half, tracing and re-tracing streets. I finally gave Christopher St. one last optimistic look, and headed to my last hope, the Village Tower on West 4th. (For an out-of-towner, I've actually been to the City quite a few times and was happy that I remembered pretty much where all these things were. Small consolation.) I am happy to report that the Village Tower had 5 (at least) Happy Rhodes CDs (VI,II, Ecto, Rearm, EQP). I was almost tempted to leave a note near them for M&W in case they happened by. I spent a while at Tower (I did not feel like buying anything since I'm still absorbing all the CDs I bought in the last few weeks --- plus there was nothing I was really looking for), stopped by the Happy Rhodes section one final time, then decided to appease my stomach and headed uptown on the N train. The rest of this sad tail is hardly worth mentioning. I got off around 34th and got some food, reading the Tower 10th anniversary issue while I ate (Hounds of Love made it in the Top 20, and there were 2 Kate quotes for reasons I'm not entirely sure of). Then I decided I would just keep walking around in my ecto-shirt. So I headed uptown, towards the apt. I was staying in. I walked from 34th to W.85th, but still no sign of them (no big surprise there). When I got back, around 4:45, my friend informed me that they had called around 3:30 (!!) from, of all unlikely places, Serendipity on 60th St., where they had just arrived! So even if I had gone there at the assigned meeting time (1pm) I would have had to wait for 2.5 hours (*very* unlikely) in order to catch them. Bummer. Well, by that point I decided I'd try to catch an early flight home. (I really loathe NYC, when you get right down to it, and I actually missed Chicago. I to this moment do not understand what attracts people to Manhattan. Yuck.) So, in summary, it was (understatement follows) a mildly disappointing day (the trip itself worked fairly well, though, as a whole). But do not dismay, M&W, fellow ectokin, another friend of mine is getting married Labor Day -- in Brooklyn. -dejectedandslightlyfootwearymjm ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 01 Jun 1993 14:56:20 -0400 (EDT) From: susskind@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Mark Susskind) Subject: Re: Welcome (backs) and; Re: Klaus/2 Hello again! As far as I can tell (I only read Ecto in digests), no one else has mentioned the significance of Happy's monster drawings, and I am waiting with baited e-breath. Thank you for the tip on reading the lyrics of "Cohabitants". I'll do that later today. I hope you all had a good weekend. As usual, I can't tell my weekends apart, because they are all pretty much the same, dull. Take Care! Happy Hugs! Mr. MRS ---- Mark Susskind susskind@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1993 15:00:39 CDT From: Subject: How I spent my vacation from posting Atypically, there has been less than usual in these pages the past week or so that I've felt moved to respond to. I think I may finally have enough material to create a post of meaningful length :-). We all must be easing back into routine from the long weekend together, judging from the lighter-than-usual volume the last few days. For that matter, we all must have been easing into the long weekend together, judging from the lighter- than-usual volume for much of last week. Not that this is all bad; it has all- owed me to sort of catch up on the heavier-than-usual traffic on comp-academic- freedom-talk (to which Brni and Uli should definitely submit their recent war stories about sysadmins), before I gave up on absorbing all the details on the lated cause celebre there. The odds are I'm now missing something interesting, but what can you do :-)? Then again, the dearth of traffic on ecto made it easier to duck out of the annual meeting of the Law and Society Association during the long lunch breaks, to check my email. Not that the meeting was an unqualified success for me; the last notable statement in these pages last week having been that someone else's post was about to be imputed to me until the reader saw the true writer's .sig, and if I'd been thinking straight, in retrospect, I'd have asked around WRT whether I could sue for infringement of my trade dress :-). But my biggest mistake, as I now see it, occurred during the Saturday night pizza party in the atrium of Northwestern University Law School. I was fingering my slice of stuffed pizza and my glass of microbrewery beer, and eyeballing a wall of phot- ographs of old-fashioned courthouses; when the eyeballer next to me observed that the Montana courthouse in one of the pictures was the same one the trial was held in when she was sued for libel. I immediately struck up a conversa- tion on her estimate of the likely outcome in the Janet Malcolm-Jeffrey Masson case; it never occurred to me to ask how she herself happened to be sued. Oh well :-). I empathize with Vickie WRT being movied out; not knowing what all would be playing during the long weekend, I took a couple of afternoons off last week to see _Point of No Return_ (which they now plan to turn into a TV series, believe it or not) and _Mad Dog and Glory_. By yesterday I had regained enough energy to go see _Scent of a Woman_, which is a truly marvelous film, BTW. Hope that the latest wave of blockbusters doesn't displace _Map of the Human Heart_. Maybe it's just all the celluloid I still have on the brain, but for some un- known reason the mantra "remember Griffin Dunne in _After Hours_?" kept waft- ing through my head as I read mjm's saga of his disappointments in the Village. It is heartening to know that people in these quandries always have Tower Rec- ords in general, and the Happy section in particular, to fall back on :-). Last night _World News Now_ accompanied the weather with an acoustic version of "Wild Horses" done by a woman. Anyone have an idea who she was? For that matter, anyone remember who did the original? Off to pay my HMO premium for the month, try to catch Connie Chung's maiden voyage as a continuing presence on the evening news, see if I can locate my Maestro Subgum tape to review for the Guide, and try to remedy my present lack of sleep. In the aggregate, it's good to be back :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Subject: Re: How I spent my vacation from posting Date: Tue, 01 Jun 93 18:31:38 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Mitch writes: >Last night _World News Now_ accompanied the weather with an acoustic version >of "Wild Horses" done by a woman. Anyone have an idea who she was? For that >matter, anyone remember who did the original? I think I read somewhere that the Sundays have recently covered the Stones tune in their latest album... So, I guess that unless I am wrong, I have answered your question! :-) (BTW, you *knew* who did the original, right?) Angelos (One last conclusions chapter to go and the first draft is DONE! which explains how *I* spent my vacation from posting ;-)) PS. On a whim I bought the 3rd symphony by Gorecki (watch me misspell his name) because I keep seeing it everywhere and wanted to hear what it was like and $9.99 seemed like a good price. Pretty good dreamy, sorrowful stuff. PPS. On the same whim I bought Big Catholic Guilt's 'Possession'. It's nice to know that Boston can produce music as diverse as BCG and Aimee Mann. For those in the un-know, BCG is a industhrash band, with quite personal lyrics (Sam Jordan, the lead singer and lyricist had apparently a rough life, if one believes that 'Uncle' is autobiographical), IMHO on the same level as NIN, but a bit less synthesized. ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: The Box Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1993 10:39:19 +1000 (EST) Another Chris poses a quickie ... > > Klaus, is the information for subscribing to The Box on the CD or > what? > Well, I'm not Klaus, but the information is on the back of the Steam CD single and the Blood of Eden CD single as far as I'm aware. I sent away and ages later, they sent me an application form, which I then Faxed off with a VISA card number, so hopefully it shouldn't take too long for the issues to come in .... but L20 is a lotta money (but it's cheaper to almost everywhere else (Europe and the US)). Chris. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)