Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1166 ecto, Number 1166 Tuesday, 5 July 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* destroying the colossus Problems at Rutgers, and Shorts ectopics Jacques Brel Not to worry... Not To Worry 2 Re: We're all in this together Not to worry... Re: Wrong Century (& SOS, for the heck of it) Not To Worry 2 Indirect happyvangelising :) alt.music.ecto Year in Song (MMO) alt.music.ecto Re: High-pitched sounds Re: milla and boingo RE:Laurie Anderson Album Re: another suggestion Friendly, friendly ecto.. Re: Digest postings hard to swallow? fuzzies ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 02 Jul 1994 00:19:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: destroying the colossus Hi! I agree with Neil and Jeff. If I wanted to post to alt.music.ecto (or even read it), I would do so directly. But I've never liked the idea of the news- group, and I like the idea of my messages to ecto getting posted to a group by a third party even less. Besides, who's going to wade through an entire Digest if they're not on the list? There are enough digest-exploding programs out there that having all the messages in one post wouldn't discourage flaming any. It would end up being a waste of Net bandwidth. I think Neil's idea of posting a pointer to the list periodically to the newsgroup would be a viable alternative. That way, those who are really interested will know where to go, and casual net-surfing goo will know to save themselves the trouble. We still love you though, Vickie! :) :) :) Meredith Net Goons For A Flame-Free Ecto meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== From: ode@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (Ode) Subject: Problems at Rutgers, and Shorts Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 00:26:42 -0400 (EDT) This is actually Vickie, really and no kidding :) Anglelos is worried: > First of all let me kindly ask Vickie not to post to ru.rec.ecto *and* the > mailing list, because we get an echo echo. :-) But I am sure she knows that. It isn't me Angelos. It's a problem at ru.rec.ecto. Actually, Rutgers as a whole seems to be having problems, which is why I'm posting through this site. Please know that I'm *not* responsible for the extra posts. :-( Until the problem is fixed, no one should send long posts to Ecto. This is why I've decided not to post the long post I talked about earlier. I won't post digests to Ecto, but I will ask permission of those who post about other artists to forward them to alt.music.ecto. I'd talk about other point about this discussion, but since I know it's going to be bounced back to me *and* the list, I'll keep this short. When things are fixed and the next slew of digests are sent out, I'll explain more about the difference between ru.rec.ecto and alt.music.ecto for those poor folks who are exceedingly confused by all this. Short cuts: Welcome back John!! Hiya to Ian! Happy Canada Day to the northerners on the list! Happy 4th of July to the 'mercans, and pfffptbt to our British friends across the pond :-) :-) :-). Also, before I get wet noodles in the mail from Stuart and Jeremy and Jeffy and Sam and others...please let me publically apologise for not paying attention and jumping to conclusions about Paul's post. I've already groveled in e-mail, and y'all know I meant no offense to anyone. I'm *very* embarrassed. Have a great trip Angelos! *HUGS/GUHS* (multiple choice :) to each and every one of you out there! Vickie (who plays Ode on TV) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jul 94 00:32:41 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (we are penguins) Subject: ectopics well, i'm now more or less caught up my e-mail now. phew. quite a bit can stack in the space of three weeks even though i unsubbed from many of the lists that i'm on. so, like, this is the klaus that deals with all of ecto since, um, before the KonvenTion. wow. it has been a long time. anyways, onwards... Angelos sez: >Finally, woj says re: Stabbing Westward: >>it seems to have more metal aspects to it than a nin comparison would >>indicate. >Are we talking about the same band? yes, they use guitars, but NIN use >guitars too. yeah, we're talking about the same band. :) i still haven't gotten around to listening to this album again but all i remember from the sole time it graced my ear canals is that "heavy metal" guitar sound. while there's no question that nine inch nails uses guitars, i don't think that they use the same way as stabbing westward does. however, i must concede that angelos probably listened to the album more cloesly than i: there's an article in a recent b-side (the one with tori on the cover) which informs us that the members of stabbing westward, which has been active since 1985, have done quite a bit of session and touring work with a number of industrial acts such as die warzau and paul barker (from ministry). so, perhaps the nine inch nails comment isn't as off-base as my ears would indicate as i'm sure that working with folks like that would certainly influence their music. it is also mentioned that the guitars are a recent addition and that they used to be a lot more synth-oriented. in another note, angelos continues: >A brief note to let Bay Area ectophiles know that there are some $1.99 >marked BMG distribution 'Possession' Cd singles in the Berkeley Tower. anyone in north central jersey who needs a copy of the "possesion" single should go to any of the four scotti's records stores (in morristown, madison, summit and one other place i can't recall) which also has a slew (some might say a "buttload") of said single. >BTW, let me note here that Letters to Cleo, [...] Check out Aurora >Gory Alice if you like bands like Tribe, Arson Garden, Lemonheads. i picked that disc up a long while ago as well but have only listened to it once a long while ago. hence, i'll shut up about it until i've refreshed my memory. ;) Kjetil asks: >+--- woj (uffda!) [April 19]: >Hey -- what's with that moniker? Jens, is this your doing? :-) i forgot where i picked that up. it might have been from greg who went to university at carelton in the heart of scandinavian american (minnesota) or it might have been from one of my high school friend's parents who grew up in wisconsin near the minnesota border. maybe i saw it on a license plate. shrug. who knows. :) >Sidsel Endresen hey! i bought a disc by her a few months ago and had been meaning to mention it in these pages. can anyone tell me what else she has done? it's been a while since i listened to it (notice a trend here? :) so i can't describe it accurately now but i liked whatever i heard. john sandoval sez: >We *LOVE* New Mexico and hope to live there eventually. have i mentioned that i'm a native new mexican? granted, i'm a native by circumstance: my father was in the air force reserve, was called up during the pueblo incident in 1968 and stationed at cannon air force base in clovis. my mother was pregnant with me at the time and the rest is history. five months after i was born, my parents moved back to upstate new york. i'd like to go back to new mexico someday as well. Cheri Villines asks: >Has anyone here listened to "Hex" by Bark Psychosis? that's one that's been on my list for a while. i have an ep of theirs from a few years back which is quite good. the band was unfairly lumped in with the "shoegazer" ghetto created by the british music press. while they had some similarities to the earliest singles by slowdive, which was at the mellow end of the noisy, blissed out pop spectrum, bark psychosis took the move towards quietness to extremes. i imagine that some folks might have mistaken that single for new age music. i'm going to have to make a more concerted effort to find that album; thanks for reminding me cheri! glenn mentions: >I just picked up this 2CD box called _Heavenly Voices_ and br!an replies: >It's out on Projekt records (I think).. Mine came with a little catalog >of their product line, mostly goth and ethereal music.. I think it just >came out last year (or *maybe* 1992). i'm pretty sure that it's on hyperium records, actually. hyperium is a german record label which is very similar to projekt with regards to the music they promote and release (ethereal, "gothic," etc.). the two labels recently made a deal to license and distribute each other's release which is why the compilation is available from projekt. chris sampson sez about kip adotta: >Whoever posted the bit about him, however, is correct in describing >him as being not particularly funny, having never seen him perform, i can't comment on his stand-up act but a few of his songs on that album he did a while back were amusing. "living in the slaw lane" and "wet dream," songs whose lyrics were rampant with puns (the former with fruits and vegetables and the later with fish) got more than a few chortles and groans from me. david dixon channels stephen hill: >I _think_ we got a Lanterna CD very recently; I'll have to check. huh? henry's released lanterna on disc?!? when?!? where?!? how much?!? Cloudbust@aol.com sez: >I also have a copy of that travesty, _The Secret History of Kate Bush and >the Strange Art of Pop_. Well, at least the cover photo is good to look at. you think so? i hate it. too much makeuo. ugh. seanymph sez: >There was a study or something where they found that people paid more >attention to deeper voices. at my college's radio station, we had a series of public service announcement titled "the sounds of science." one of these two-minute forays into acoustics dealt with this subject, explaining how people were more likely to believe a person who spoke in a deep voice than someone who spoke in a high-pitched voice. they demonstrated this by pitch-shifting a recording of a man talking about what he would do if he inherited a large sum of money. frankly, the high-pitched playback was so altered that it was difficult believing that someone could even speak like that (short of having a serious cold). >Has anyone else on this list heard of Crash Worship? yup. a buncha technomystical brujos from southern california with a penchant for percussion. they have a number of releases, most are cassette-only or vinyl 7"ers. there's at least one cd which is a live recording but, as others have pointed out, their performances are much more than loud drums and screeching voices. the live cd is on charnel house records - for information and a catalog, send a note to mason@netcom.com. a catalog also exists on the web somewhere but i don't have the url handy. onica asks: >Heard of Amy Denio?!? mjm and i have been singing her praises here for a while. the first time i heard her was on a compilation of seattle-area bands called _secretions_ (c/z records). she, under the moniker couch of sound, had a track on there called "lousy in the tropics," which remains my fave tune of hers. (that's actually a very good compilation if anyone happens across it - it's not entirely ectophilic but there is some brilliant work on it.) she also asks: >Anyone else out there adore Danielle Dax??? and alex replies: >I think the latest news was 3 earlier Dax albums being released on CD. alex, are you thinking about the lemon kittens cd releases i mentioned over on love-hounds? joe zitt sez: >(A semirelated anecdote: a few years ago, a coworker tried a >personality test on me. She said that the results tracked with an >almost entirely female personality my college roommate's girlfriend, a psychology major, was doing research into personality types and tried a similar test on me. i, apparently, am androgynous. and on that note, i'll close. ;) +woj ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Subject: Jacques Brel Date: 2 Jul 1994 00:53:16 -0400 If you want to listen to artists influenced by Jacques Brel, then seek out recordings by Marc Almond (of Soft Cell fame). Especially the album "Jacques", an album entirely of Brel covers. Brel was probably the biggest influence on Marc Almond's vocal style and it definitely shows. Of Marc's other albums, highly recommended are "The Stars We Are" and his most recent album "12 Years of Tears", which is a live album. +########################################################################+ +###+ Paul Cohen, Philadelphia, PA +###+ +########################################################################+ +###+ P.COHEN@genie.geis.com +###+ PMCOHEN@aol.com +###+ +###+ 70703.3126@compuserve.com +###+ PMCOHEN@delphi.com +###+ +########################################################################+ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jul 94 02:43:47 EDT From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) Subject: Not to worry... ...I won't post the digests or any part of them. Vickie ======================================================================== From: ode@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (Ode) Subject: Not To Worry 2 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 03:05:50 -0400 (EDT) I tried Rutgers again and it was really weirded out still. Just in case the message that it took me half-an-hour to write didn't come through... I'm not going to post the digest or any part of the digest. If there's going to be any more discussion, please wait to see that the problem ru.rec.ecto if fixed, so everyone doesn't get 2 copies of each post. Again, I'm not going to post *anything* from the digest, I *promise*. Vickie ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 19:10:02 +1200 Subject: Re: We're all in this together Albert awph'd (? :-) > Vickie wretched: > >>Happy knows that *some* people want to find the aliens >>specifically so they can save our world. That's what the song is about. >> >>Happy *herself* believes that we have to save ourselves, and that it's >>folly to think that we can hope to be saved by an alien race. That's >>also what the song is about. > > Let me first make clear that I completely agree that this is the right > interpretation of SOS. That's not what this message is about. What I > don't agree with is Happy's idea that it is undesirable to reach out for > the aliens. We (I'm using this word in a rather broad sense) are all in > this universe together. Happy's ideas sound a bit like planetism to me. > I'm not saying that Happy had this in mind when she wrote the song, but I > think she needs to rethink her ideas about aliens. I don't think that Happy is saying it is undesirable to reach out for aliens... What I think she is saying is that we should do something about the sorry mess our world is in, without relying on aliens to come along and fix everything for us... this doesn't mean that communication with alien species is a bad thing; only that if it happens it would be nice if we had something to show for ourselves... > Moreover, I think this idea of "saving" us is a bit vague. When would we > be able to say that we've been "saved"? Is there anything to save? > Wouldn't everything become incredibly boring after we would have been > saved? Well a little peace and harmony and an end to a few of the world's troubles might be looked upon as 'boring' to some, but I don't really see it that way... (and if we take "saving" to mean this, then I don't really imagine that anyone sees it that way) Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes) Subject: Not to worry... Date: 2 Jul 1994 03:37:51 -0400 ...I won't post the digests or any part of them. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jul 94 9:31:22 MET DST From: Albert Philipsen Subject: Re: Wrong Century (& SOS, for the heck of it) Mike Matthews writes: >Who's to say we haven't? There's that theory that folks like Da Vinci and >Jules Verne were really people from the future, because their ideas were so >ahead of their time... Okay, I'll admit it: I'm someone from the future too. The future is actually quite nice, and I have no idea why I went back. >Time is not an illusion, it's just represented in a way our perception can >understand it by clocks and other moving things. But is there more that the clocks and other moving things? Where is the time? Could you hand me some time? >I think it is possible to predict the future if you could simulate *every* >*single* *subsubsubsubsubatomic* *particle*. Sure, but you'll need the whole universe to do that, right? How would you do it faster than the universe? I think what's really happening right now is that the universe is simulating itself, producing the future. >Just because we can't understand it doesn't mean it can't be understood. Just because I can't predict it doesn't mean I don't understand it. >Interesting idea. I think dreams are the results of random noise inside yer >brain, personally. My dreams don't resemble random noise. I've heard beautiful new music in my dreams, and they look better that the best virtual reality flight simulator could produce. >Alien beings have to exist. The universe is too big to say otherwise, >especially when there's even more out there. I don't think we can know that for sure yet. >Mike Warpy ======================================================================== From: ode@fuzzy.dialup.access.net (Ode) Subject: Not To Worry 2 Date: 2 Jul 1994 03:49:27 -0400 I tried Rutgers again and it was really weirded out still. Just in case the message that it took me half-an-hour to write didn't come through... I'm not going to post the digest or any part of the digest. If there's going to be any more discussion, please wait to see that the problem ru.rec.ecto if fixed, so everyone doesn't get 2 copies of each post. Again, I'm not going to post *anything* from the digest, I *promise*. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 02:07:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Damon Harper Subject: Indirect happyvangelising :) Well, I've been in no position to do any happyvangelising of my own, so I lent my happy tape to a friend who's going out to vancouver for the weekend to meet a bunch of people... people who like generally ecto artists :) Good enough for now, vickie? ;) re laurie anderson: when's the new album supposed to be coming out? and to holly: celebrate canada day by proclaiming yourself and your environs to be under canajan jurisdiction, and autonomous from the US! ;) At least hang a canajan flag in your window :) And o canada is a *much* more stately anthem ;) *HUGS* Damon -- ]*[ -- "Days go by endlessly, endlessly pulling you into the future." - Laurie Anderson, "White Lily" /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ /~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~\ ( Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca X nomad@kazak.nmsu.edu X nomad@helix.net ) \_____________________________/ \______________________/ \_________________/ ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 23:03:22 +1200 Subject: alt.music.ecto mho... ecto-the-mailing-list is, as we all know, much more than simply a place to talk about Happy, and it has the friendliest atmosphere I have seen anywhere on the net... I dislike the idea of having ecto digests available on usenet for much the same reasons as have been mentioned by other people... If, however, there was a simple way to specify that a post be sent to the newsgroup as well as the list, then *relevant* posts (and there are a lot of posts made here that are relevant to the list, but are, imho, not relevant to a.m.ecto) could be echoed there if the poster so wished... I'm not sure I like this entirely though, as it would probably mean that replies to a.m.ecto posts that were made in this fashion would get sent to the list, which opens us up to usenet.flames :( (perhaps the list address could be automatically removed from the usenet posts... but this would mean that genuine replies would go only to the newsgroup... still, provided that the list address is posted to the group on occasion as was suggested, people would be aware of this I guess...) This approach requires a simple method of specifying that posts be echoed to a newsgroup, but with the ecto list address removed... I have absolutely no idea of the feasibility of this... Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 23:13:18 +1200 Subject: Year in Song (MMO) I've just been listening to Mary Margaret O'Hara's "Miss America" and I thought I'd ask if anyone would like to offer an interpretation of "Year in Song"...? :) Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== From: Philip.Sainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz (Philip Sainty) Subject: alt.music.ecto Date: 2 Jul 1994 07:18:49 -0400 mho... ecto-the-mailing-list is, as we all know, much more than simply a place to talk about Happy, and it has the friendliest atmosphere I have seen anywhere on the net... I dislike the idea of having ecto digests available on usenet for much the same reasons as have been mentioned by other people... If, however, there was a simple way to specify that a post be sent to the newsgroup as well as the list, then *relevant* posts (and there are a lot of posts made here that are relevant to the list, but are, imho, not relevant to a.m.ecto) could be echoed there if the poster so wished... I'm not sure I like this entirely though, as it would probably mean that replies to a.m.ecto posts that were made in this fashion would get sent to the list, which opens us up to usenet.flames :( (perhaps the list address could be automatically removed from the usenet posts... but this would mean that genuine replies would go only to the newsgroup... still, provided that the list address is posted to the group on occasion as was suggested, people would be aware of this I guess...) This approach requires a simple method of specifying that posts be echoed to a newsgroup, but with the ecto list address removed... I have absolutely no idea of the feasibility of this... Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 04:28:29 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: High-pitched sounds Philip: > Meredith Meth'd: > > > seanympf noted: ... > > Yes, women can generally hear tones of a higher frequency than men can. > > For example, I can hear the high-pitched little whine emitted by television > > sets and computer monitors when they're switched on, but every single male > > I've pointed this out to has looked at me like I'm nuts. ... > Well I'm one male who most certainly can hear said noises... I am as well. My mom's TV especially drives me nuts. I can usually tell if a TV is on even if it's muted and I can't see it. Same goes for a lot of monitors; they vary even more. At one job an engineer built a power supply that hurt my ears... I couldn't even go in the same room because of it's high whine. No one else (about 5 male engineers) was bothered by it, although I was the youngest. Now I really have ringing (tinnitus) in my ears all the time, but I can still hear these noises. My hearing is too sensitive it seems (I say this for other reasons too). I haven't ruled out these noises as being a possible causes of my tinnitus, but it's not the most likely. /-\ |_ |= >< Alex R. Gibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu on IRC #ecto: /-,' |= ~|~ |= |_ (~, |= |_| _\~ |= (Betelgeuse) "Phwa! Oh great! As they say when you're buying suppositories: with friends like that, who needs enemas." -- Max Headroom ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 05:07:41 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: milla and boingo Jeffy: > berni sez: > >on boingo: > >i am always suspect when a band changes its name. it *always* comes ... > Leno actually talked to Elfman for a few minutes after the band played, and Sometime last week Danny Elfman was also on Later with Greg Kinnear (I think that's his name). I only saw the end of it but they talked about the name change and his soundtracks. My memory seems to be very hazy on this for some reason but I think Boingo performed too. Maybe they'll repeat it sometime for those who follow (...)Boingo. /-\ |_ |= >< Alex R. Gibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu Betelgeuse ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 02 Jul 1994 08:53:47 -0400 (EDT) From: WAYNEPALMER@delphi.com Subject: RE:Laurie Anderson Album Damon asks: >re laurie anderson: when's the new album supposed to be coming out? The last she said when I say her during the spoken word tour was that the album was supposed to be out around October to coincide with the scheduled tour. Really looking forward to it after hearing her answer questions about it during her Phila. & Princeton appearances. Anyone out there see some type of tour schedule yet so I know when to start watching for tickets to go on sale? *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* | Wayne A. Palmer *Ye Olde Florence Train Station* waynepalmer.delphi.com | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------| | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WXPN-Music That Needs to be Heard <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< | *=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=* ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 02:50:27 +1200 Subject: Re: another suggestion When I posted my last comment, I hadn't yet read Vickie's original post (sorry! not good style at all...) Vickie suggested that people could say if they didn't want a post sent to the newsgroup... My suggestion involved people saying if they _did_ want their post sent to the newsgroup... I feel this is better... Yes it means that people can forget to do so, but my feelings are that I'd rather have posts that might have gone to the newsgroup not go, than have posts that are meant for just the list to end up on the usenet... Also, some degree of automation as mentioned in my previous post would be nice... if there was an additional address that sent to both the list and the newsgroup (and removing the poster's name/address from the newsgroup copy - surely simply a matter of piping the text through a utility written to strip out the appropriate names before sending?) it would ease matters greatly I think... I don't know if this is possible though (especially with Jessica no longer at rutgers) As a final thought: ecto was set up for the discussion of Happy, and as such the idea of increasing a.m.e volume in this manner is good, as it must surely be good for Happy... however ecto is more than this... I consider this list to be virtually unique in my experience of the net in its atmosphere and the attitudes of its members, and despite ecto's original purpose it seems almost criminal to do anything which might compromise this... I know that some people feel this wouldn't happen, but I can't help feeling nervous about the whole thing... Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 10:05:36 -0500 (CDT) From: "This is gonna hurt like hell..." Subject: Friendly, friendly ecto.. Hello everyone!! i'm pretty new to the mailing list (about a week) but i wanted to respond to neil's comment about irc #ecto... neil had stated that ecto was very friendly but when the world was let in it could turn into a glass house.. well, this is somewhat true, but if you cant take risks, the *good* people who do show up there would never be found. i was turned on to #ecto by the infamous moo-man and i fell in love with it. i have made a lot of friends and have even fallen in love with one (hehe) and i would never trade our "glass" for brick walls. #ecto is there when you need it.. there were so many times when i just needed someone to talk to and my local friends werent home.. all i had to do was go to #ecto and i had a family to help me and cheer me up! anyone who has not joined our close family needs to check it out. someday you may need us.. and we'll *always* be there!!! :) thanks for listening and thank you to all the ectophiles that i know who have helped me over the past 6 months (moo-man, fili, neal, groc, morph, jane_fan.. just to name a few...;) i love all of you!!! lovey ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 03:13:08 +1200 Subject: Re: Digest postings hard to swallow? Erk... this can't be good for me... this is my third post already on a subject I'm not even comfortable with! Mike wrote: > Ecto is already advertised, more or less, on IRC, which is *far* worse in > peons per capita than news, IMHO.> I doubt whether many (if any) of the occasional jerks that we get on #ecto even get as far as discovering that there is a mailing list by the same name, let alone its address... (and even then, they can have much more "fun" by pestering people on irc without bothering with going to the trouble of sending email... > It won't break down the atmosphere any; the same folks will post. > Remember, a flame war takes two people: one to start it and one to keep > it going. It might take two people for a flame _war_ but it only takes one for a flame. And I am quite sure I'm not the only person who has gone into stress-overdose by the simple act of forcing myself not to encourage an idiot flamer... Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 04:46:20 +1200 Subject: fuzzies I have a distinct need to participate in some extreme fuzziness, so to everyone who wants one....... * ** ** ** ** *** * * * * ** ** ** ** ** * * * *** ***** ** ** ** ** *** * * * ** ** ** ** ** ** * * * * ** ** *** *** * (...repeat as required...) Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)