Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #675 ecto, Number 675 Wednesday, 28 July 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Hello & thanks & Sandy Denny & Outback Worried Translations and Grapefruit Bowie response, and Tribe! Re: Katemas/CT and the Bobs! brni's address. mail(er) problems aimee mann flash Jarmusch Thirteen Year Itch Re: Lost in the Outback Call WXPN Items of interest heidi berry John Lurie and the Lounge Lizards ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 23:14:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Hello & thanks & Sandy Denny & Outback Hello, everyone-- Sorry I've been so silent lately, only surfacing once to post my DiD Anyway, now I had to surface to send greetings to two new ectophiles, John Barton and Kevin Scott, both whom told me recently they were going to join up Hey, welcome to you both! John is a long-time friend with good taste who we've been pushing Happy's music on for about six months. He just got email access, so we urged him to join. He's another poet (the best published of us all, with his 5th book just out from Quarry Press in Ontario), so beware folks, between Jeanne and Mary Lou and John and Jim and me poetry will be taking over the list Kevin is a new friend from Winterpeg, Manitoba (where yours truly was born) who I started an exchange with a while ago and we'd been talking about Stereolab and Steeleye Span and all when Jim realized he'd never heard Happy. We quickly rectified that, and now we're welcoming Kevin into the ecto-fold I do feel a little like an evangelist. Eek. All I can say is that Happy deserves to be known. Count me as another person who gets shivers when I hear her sing that line from RUTH. Heck, I get shivers when she sings "When the Rain Came Down," "Phobos," "Ecto," "Words Weren't Made for Cowards," etc., etc. I don't think my favourite Happy songs would fit on one tape--maybe on 6 discs and an EP, eh? ;) Anyway I want to thank Greg publicly for mentioning Tribe. I picked up _Sleeper_ and it's been residing in my player a lot recently. I think the first night I got it I played it six times. I also bought Suddenly, Tammy! and have also grown very fond of it Jens recently helped me acquired both Bobo in White Wooden Houses discs (thanks, Jens!!). They are wonderful, particularly the first one, which has been another obsession Luckily, I've been off work and have had time to indulge all these obsessions, including an obsession with a new novel. I'm working on chapter 5 right now and it's going quite well (touch wood). It is of course music-related, but I don't want to say too much more than that Oh, and the main character is named after one of my cats. How's that for a piece of trivia? Speaking of obsessions, Tower is having a sale here which includes pop music box sets, so I got them to include Sandy Denny under the pop umbrella and am now the proud & happy owner of the _Who Knews Where The Time Goes_ set. I didn't realize how much I'd love it or I would have gotten it years ago. It's wonderful. I've always loved her work with Fairport and have two of her solo albums on disc (Sandy & North Star Grassman--both replaced vinyl copies I'd long ago worn out), but didn't realize that this set would be such an addition to my collection. She has one of the best voices *ever*. I swear it. "Tam Lin" was the first Celtic rock/folk song I ever heard (in about 1977) and it totally blew me away It still does re: Outback. They're a "world music" ensemble with Aussie roots, who mix fiddle, guitar, and African drums with digeridoo. We have _Dance the Devil Away_ and I highly recommend it. It's lively music that will make you want to get up and dance. Really Oh, and world music reminds me that I meant to thank Robert Morrow publicly his for Ectophiles Guide entry on Altazor. Long ago I told him I would look for them and I finally got the disc. It's really wonderful--Latin-American folk music with wonderful (female) voices and instrumentation. It took me a while to find it, but once I did I've seen it a couple of places. It's political & powerful music In the next few days I'll be posting an ectophiles guide update so everyone knows what we've got & what we need. Thanks to all for your contributions! Anyway, I'd better stop now before I make up for weeks of silence with a message that clogs everyone's mailer Hugs & Greetings, --Neile ======================================================================== Subject: Worried Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 09:05:07 +0100 From: Stephen Thomas Hi peeps. Three and a half weeks ago I posted my order for HR5 and Equipoise, and I haven't received anything yet. When I've ordered stuff from AG in the past it's only taken a couple of weeks, so I'm getting a little worried. I'd be very grateful if someone who was better placed than I am could check with AG whether they've received the order, whether its been posted out yet, and to which address it was sent. I posted my order to the Bearsville address Kiri: I got Court's letter this morning, and its good to hear that she's well. Send her my love Jeff: I don't know if anyone has mentioned this, but when the EctoKite is done, how difficult would it be to have a few photos taken of it and sent to contributors (or any ectophile, for that matter)? Keep well, Stephen ======================================================================== Subject: Translations and Grapefruit Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 3:13:01 CDT From: Joe Zitt Neal R. Copperman writes: > It was great to see Shankar, although I didn't think he played hardly > anything of interest on the violin. Oddly enough, he could sing just > about the same way as he plays violin, and HE sang the low parts on > "In Your Eyes", as well as eery, falsetto passages that sounded > exactly like his violin. The final song was "Biko", and there really Did they reproduce the non-English singing Youssou N'Dour sang on the original "In Your Eyes"? I've always wanted to know what the hell he was saying For that matter, does anyone know when the Bulgarians are saying in KaTe's "Deeper Understanding"? Or what Elton John is saying in "Solar Prestige A Gammon" B-}? OK, I gotta ask this: Is that a real cat on Happy's "Noone Here"? I'm listening for the third time, and each time, I've been spooked into looking around the room (and, once, checking my porch) for where the cat might be, Unrelatedly: I finally got a book today for which I'd been searching for decades (literally!): Yoko Ono's "Grapefruit". It's full of terse verbal scores, like gentle Fluxus pieces. An example, chosen at random: MEND PAINTING Pick an old scarred painting Wash it thoroughly with soap Powder it. (This process may be eliminated according to your taste.) Perfume it The perfume may be a short one or an expensive one, depending on your taste The time should be in the evening before the lights are lit You should go near the window and do it if it becomes too dark You may use an old wall, pavement, shoes, gloves instead of a painting 1962 summer I've got a feeling this is going to turn into one of those books I curl up with when it's dark inside. (Current ones include John Cage's "Empty Words", Edgar Pangborn's collected stories, and Randall Jarrell's "The Animal Family".) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 21:01:09 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Bowie response, and Tribe! In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article <01H11BY81NS2GR5K8G@avion.stsci.edu>, you wrote: > is how some of his songs tie in? This has come up since I've been listening > to Happy's "Ashes to Ashes" and really listening to the words. Is this song > part of the "Ziggy Stardust" story? What other songs are included in the > story? Any help is appreciated... :) The "Ziggy Stardust" story is told on the album of (almost) that name. "Ashes To Ashes", meanwhile, is a sort-of-sequel to his early hit "Space Oddity" which also featured the character of Major Tom > 2) Does anyone else get goosebumps when Happy sings the line from RUTH? :) I get goosebumps when she sings the chorus in the "produced" version of "Feed The Fire"... :-) Now, who was it here who waxed lyrical about "Sleeper" by Tribe? I know Jessica liked it a lot, but someone else posted several pages about them Anyway, I finally found "Sleeper" and "Abort" today - both imports, though "Abort" is *supposed* to be out here locally through Mushroom - and bought "Sleeper" as I couldn't afford to buy both. THIS IS GOOD!!!!! Whoever mentioned them, thank you. And they're friendly too - I emailed them and their bass player mailed me right back... :) Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 09:22:12 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: Katemas/CT and the Bobs! Is there any potential crash space out there in Connecticut? I may be able to get away for the weekend, and help y'all celebrate Katemas after all. (Else I may be in Montreal letting people laugh at my pitiful French) By the By, got a chabce to see the Bob's Monday-their first time in Albany. Great show! Even better than the albums! Metroland described them as a cross between Devo and the Mills Brothers (?), but how would you describe them? I gave up. About a 50/50 mixture of their own tunes and their covers-from-hell (Purple Haze!) Dennis Parslow What do you want? Do you want to go out? Troy, NY 12180 Do you want a cookie? Do you want me to p00421@psilink.com dial the number for you? Jane Siberry "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog" ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 9:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: brni's address. mail(er) problems Hello, all, Neal R. Copperman writes to tell us: AAAACCKK!! All my mail to ECTO gets returned when it is delivered, so i don't even notice when it's returned and NOT delivered. GRRRRRR (See Juha, you are not alone.) Not having nearly the knowledge as our grand footah, I am hesitant to get in over my head...but here's my $.02. I complained to the postmaster at Rutgers, and was told that...what probably happens is that my post makes it to EcTo (the mailing list) but not to certain individuals (a subset of those receiving loose mail, I suspect) hence, it makes it to the digest, but not to some people. For instance, brni's address has been out of bounds until recently (not out-of-bounds, as much as incorrectly interpreted for our list) so my recent posts to ecto come back as undeliverable mail, appear on the digest, anyway, but don't make it to some individuals who get loose mail. I will, therefore guess that you, Neal, get the digest. If you examine the routing info at the top of the undeliverable mail returns, you should be able to determine who didn't get what you posted Joe Zitt offers some information on the Lounge Lizards: I hope they're still around, I have their very first album, and used to play it a lot. Talking about them down here gets confusing, by the way, since there's a band called the Austin Lounge Lizards, and when someone mentions the Lounge Lizards I ahve to ask which one they mean Unfortunately, they're almost never talking about the true ones Which is their first album? In recent conversation with brni, I've learned that we both own _Live in Tokyo (Big Heart)_ and _No Pain for Cakes_. In addition, I've recently come into possession of a CD reissue of _Live 79/81_ which features a very different lineup than on the later releases. I've never seen them in concert, and this is the main concern about their still being together. I've heard of the Austin Lounge Lizards, but never heard their music. What an unfortunate geographical bias against, as you so correctly refer to them, the TRUE ones. Have you seen any of the Jarmusch films with John Lurie? (Paris, Texas (Cameo role, and I'm not sure it's by Jarmusch), Down by Law, and Stranger than Paradise...Are there others?) He's got a great screen presence, IMHO anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) adds to the Minesweeper thread: I'm still amazed that Microsoft actually package games as part of the Windows system :-) Probably a result of Bill Gates' never having grown up. MS is about to (has?) release Windows versions of Asteroids, Centipede and other charter members of the arcade video games...complete with a "boss key" for about $39 > i was intrigued enough to write a version for X11 (there was already > a version, but i wanted to start my own from scratch -- i am a bit > compulsive about Xwindows programming ;) i am thinking of adding > strange new features :) when it's done, i'll let y'all know ;) Forgive the ignorance....what's Xwindows? X11? For the sake of clarity, I am speaking of the Windows 3.1 version of Minesweeper with the capability of pointing and clicking at any square on the grid Finally, a word of advice to our newest EcTophiles embarking on the rite of passage as to the etymology/meaning/usage of footah...be forewarned that he is immovable on this issue (unless we were to band together and get really nasty...but that won't happen on the "warm blue fuzzy" mailing list...). To date, the "possible" though improbable solutions have ranged to the depths of: a footah is the opposite of a headah, and appears at the FOOT of the page, rather than at the HEAD. Greg has denied any and all stories as being true, making it entirely possible that the correct choice (if there is one and only one) has been encountered. My personal favorite is that it is onomatopoeic and has to do with Mr. Bossert's musical phrasing (though it would make more sense if he played the bass and not the guitar (as I originally thought, but later changed my mind) Alas, he has been sphinxlike with respect to this detail (to me, at least, others who've been to Chez Footah, no doubt have seen the instrument....he may play both, I suppose...). Anyway, it's not too late for y'all to avoid my fate...the previous rambling being the symptom of a broken mind) As to the competitive assertion seen here earlier: "Verbosity is mine sayeth Chris, repeatedly...in several languages....and different idioms" Of course, this is a lie, as those of you who've read Vickie's and Mitch's (old) posts will know.. Chris Sampson chris@neuron.uchc.edu ======================================================================== Date: 28 Jul 93 10:44:33 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: aimee mann flash Well, don't get too excited. But, I heard a song from the new album (Say Anything) on WXRT this morning. Has this come out as a single. I know I Should've Known was the first single, and I never heard that on the radio (though I rarely listen to radio) Anyway, the more airplay she gets the greater the chance that she'll tour and continue to produce music. Yay! -mjm ======================================================================== From: composer@beyond.dreams.org (Jeff Kellem) Subject: Re: aimee mann flash Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 11:24:12 EDT On the ecto mailing list, Mike Mendelson wrote.. > Well, don't get too excited. But, I heard a song from the > new album (Say Anything) on WXRT this morning. Has this come > out as a single. I know I Should've Known was the first single, > and I never heard that on the radio (though I rarely listen to radio) > > Anyway, the more airplay she gets the greater the chance that she'll > tour and continue to produce music. Yay! Well, this isn't really an indication of touring, but she supposedly performed as a "special guest" with The Kinks at Great Woods near Boston, MA last night, 27 Jul 93. FYI.. -jeff Jeff Kellem Internet: composer@Beyond.Dreams.ORG ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Jarmusch Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 10:52:19 CDT Chris querried: > against, as you so correctly refer to them, the TRUE ones. Have you seen > any of the Jarmusch films with John Lurie? (Paris, Texas (Cameo role, and > I'm not sure it's by Jarmusch), Down by Law, and Stranger than > Paradise...Are there others?) He's got a great screen presence, IMHO Well, I dunno if Lurie was in them, but Jarmusch also did (for the record) Mystery Train (one of my favorites!) and Night On Earth br!an, another Jarmusch fan.. -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 17:39:11 BST Subject: Thirteen Year Itch 4AD have just done a series of concerts in London to celebrate 13 years of 4AD - hence the "thirteen year itch" title. I wasn't able to go but someone kindly got me a video for a fiver and a limited edition (2000 only) CD for 2 pounds which has unreleased tracks and demo's by Heidi Berry, Lush, His Name is Alive. A veritable bargain as there is about 70 mins of music - works out at just over 23c per song :). Some of them are quite good, although HNIA sound a bit like Neil Diamond!! Interesting stuff Well it looks as if Jane Siberry will finally be out in the UK on Monday. But until I get the disk in my sweaty little paws I'm not holding out any hope.. The Victoria Williams tribute hasn't sufaced but my local CD store has it on import. They've got the jewel case but can't find the CD itself. This just isn't fair tim tim ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 07:50:58 -0700 From: jmg@rocket.com (Jim Gurley) Subject: Re: Lost in the Outback > Has anyone heard of the group called "Outback"? Can you give me some info? >I heard *one* track of theirs as a background music during a juggling >competition. It seemed to be a very bass-heavy weird ambiant music > They are another world-music-sounding British band (I believe). Neile and I have one of their CDs. Not bad. Heavy use of the Australian (damn I can never spell this) digeredo...that long wooden tube/bass instrument that makes an incredible deep bass sound...part of the dreaming I believe...anyway, makes a wonderful sound...it's a part of these guy's sound: part Gypsy Kings/part frantic folk...I don't remember it being so much ambient as dancable.. Neile can correct me if I'm wrong Their stuff sort of typifies the world-music-lite stuff that's around, not bad, very likeable in fact, but kind of a mish-mash of different cultures and styles... ======================================================================== Date: 28 Jul 93 15:18:05 EDT From: Bob Brown <74756.1557@compuserve.com> Subject: Call WXPN I've just called WXPN's request line (215-573-WXPN) for the 3rd time this week requesting Ashes To Ashes The person taking the request said - "Wow, that's been requested a lot this week". I said - "Great.. how many calls does it take for it to make the top 5 requested songs of the week?". They said - "Gee, I don't really know, maybe if you call on Friday morning when they play the top 5 they'll be able to tell you" Soooo... if you're in the WXPN listening area, give some calls to XPN requesting Happy's Ashes To Ashes. Maybe we're close to getting her in the top 5. Even if you don't live here, call anyway. When they ask you where you're calling from just tell 'em "Center City" - Bob 74756.1557@compuserve.com ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 13:49:37 CDT From: Subject: Items of interest Last night, _World News Now_ broadcast the factoid that 50 years ago today, President Roosevelt ended the war-related rationing of coffee. For all those of us on the list who give the stuff a prominent place in our universe of aids to late-night lucidity, this woiuld seem to be a milestone well worth observing :-) There was a post in comp-acad-freedom-talk today, that attempted to lampoon overlong and elaborate .sigs by listing the longest, most elaborate one I've ever seen (the entire post exceeded 1000 card images). The following part of it may be of interest to Australians and upstate New Yorkers on this list, respectively: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > |\ > ---*-- | \ > -""" \__| \ > / : Qld : TAS \ > / :........ \ > ' SA : AA :.......*| x = Schenectady NY USA > \ : * :NSW / > \* :/""""""\`..x */ > ----' VIC\ *`./ > """" > \"""/ > NT\*/ Given the current state of geographic education (and other kinds of education as well) in America's schools, you'd be amazed how many of today's young people would be likely to locate Schenectady there for real, not to mention the place- ment of the Australian states :-) Chris sayeth, in pertinent part: > a footah is the opposite of a headah [...] Would these two concepts, then, make up a matched set with Tony Curtis' alleged (but quite likely apocryphal) reference to "yon castle of mine faddah" in his first screen role? :-) ObUn Coeur en Hiver (not de Hivre as Neal spelt it): It is indeed a good film (Good as well that I caught the typo I made in the last line; else I would have pronounced it to be a "goof film.") It depicts one of the more unusual bits of _amour fou_ (not quite amour footah :-) ) to be seen on the big screen lately-- though that term seems to me to connote something more frenetic than is actual- ly at issue here. How else to explain away (as if you could in the first place ) why Emmanuelle Beart falls for the seclusive violin artisan, to the point of dumping his boss, then breaks up with the former in a surprising exchange of emotional fireworks? Mitch ======================================================================== Date: 28 Jul 93 15:57:19 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: heidi berry Vickie queried: >ps, also on this compilation is a *wonderful* new Heidi Berry song called >"The Moon and the Sun." MJM, is this song on the album you bought? Yes it is. Its very nice Here is the track listing so you can compare to the one you have: Mercury Little Fox The Moon and the Sun One-String Violin Darling Companion Distant Thunder Heart Like a Wheel For the Rose Follow Ariel Dawn It is a 4AD release in U.S., 1993. Recommended -mjm P.S. I heard one of these songs on the acoustic WHFS show Jeff alluded to while in D.C. Also heard the Iris Dement cover Mitch alluded to on same show. Good show! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 15:48:28 EDT From: Laura Frank Clifford Subject: John Lurie and the Lounge Lizards Well, I think I have the 'first' Lounge Lizards LP as well - I can't remember the title, but it's black and white and has the Peter Gunn theme on it I really like it but haven't played it in quite a while I've liked Lurie in Jarmusch's films as well. I believe he was in Mystery Train, but don't remember if he showed up in Night on Earth I'm pretty sure I've seen him in non-Jarmusch films as well.. Laura ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)