Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #674 ecto, Number 674 Wednesday, 28 July 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Outback? weekend update (PG, Brin (not brni), CD-ROMs) The Abnihilisation of the Etym Re: brni's address (long, technical, no Happy content) Notes the something of the something continues... Re: Minesweeper (r) a swell evening.. Announcement of deadline Happa Happa Happa ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 14:12:36 EDT From: torok@nynexst.com (David Torok) Subject: Outback? Hello all, Has anyone heard of the group called "Outback"? Can you give me some info? I heard *one* track of theirs as a background music during a juggling competition. It seemed to be a very bass-heavy weird ambiant music In any case, I'd love to get the names of their album(s), and a better idea of what they sound like in general before I spring for the discs -=$>Dave<$=- torok@nynexst.com ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 12:50:32 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: weekend update (PG, Brin (not brni), CD-ROMs) AAAACCKK!! All my mail to ECTO gets returned when it is delivered, so i don't even notice when it's returned and NOT delivered. GRRRRRR (See Juha, you are not alone.) What a great weekend. Thursday I saw David Brin give a reading/ babble session. I haven't actually read any of his books, but I was intrigued about a few from the reading. He read from THe Postmaster, Earth, and his new one, which I've already forgotten. He was very opinionated, but I was disappointed that he seemed to look very narrowly at most issues. I couldn't decide if it was the forum or if he was just shallow, but maybe the books will tell. Incidentally, the description of the new book sounded interesting, but the reading did nothing to pique my interest Friday, went to the Peter Gabriel show. All the encouragement I got from the crowd made me decide I shouldn't pass it up, and everyone was so right. Actually, righter than I think you really expressed. I thought the show was stupendous. I was surprised he only played two songs from SO, but didn't have any complaints. The incorperation of camera work into the show was really effective, particularly the manic hand-held cameras in "Digging in the Dirt" The idea of this roughly 50 year old man in tights and a loose shirt, vaguely pudgy and slightly jowly, dancing and skipping around the stage works so much better than I had any reason to believe it should It was great to see Shankar, although I didn't think he played hardly anything of interest on the violin. Oddly enough, he could sing just about the same way as he plays violin, and HE sang the low parts on "In Your Eyes", as well as eery, falsetto passages that sounded exactly like his violin. The final song was "Biko", and there really was nothing after it. I think I would always end up having greater regrets about possibly missing a great show over having wasted my money on a lesser show Ticket-wise, I went with a friend, and we had no problems buying fantastic $30 tickets (no service charge) that were right in the middle of the Sports Arena, maybe 40-50 rows back from the "female" stage, looking directly at Tony Levine when he was out there. That's 3 for 3 in the don't bother with Ticket Master experiment. Plus, WOMAD is coming to LA in September!!! All the rest of the weekend was spent hanging out with friends who just bought a CD-ROM player. I've been fighting the urge to ever buy a computer for my home, but I was completely floored by the games they have on CD-ROM. Put out by Lucas Arts (yeah, that Lucas) and Sierra, they all feature real motion, animated sequences, and realistic voices. We were lost in the world of "Tentacle", a twisted game where a mutated Tentacle has taken over the world. We operate in three time zones, present, 200 years past (in a hotel with Washington, Jefferson, Hancock, Franklin, and Betsy Ross), and 200 years in the future (in a world run by tentacles, where humans are pets). That's probably more than anyone really wants to here about computer games, but it really seems that the CD-ROMS moved the games far beyond anything I had seem, in terms of graphics and interaction. The ideas of the games didn't seem too different than the text oriented games of years past, like Hitchiker's Guide, the cause of many sleepless nights in college Neal ----- End Included Message ----- ======================================================================== Subject: The Abnihilisation of the Etym Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 15:23:16 CDT From: Joe Zitt (The title is actually entirely irrelevant.) Guyver-One writes: > Umm, "Guyver-One" and MacGyver (or is it McGyver?) don't have anything to do > with each other. :) My "mail-name" comes from a Japanimation thing that I saw > and liked a lot. People ask me this all the time, or at least they did, when I > was on relay. :) I hope this didn't come across as rude, it's not intended > that way, I'm amused when people confuse the two b/c they look and sound so > similar. :) To further complicate things, there's what appears to be a live-action movie, "The Guyver", starring Mark Hamill (I think) that's out on video Someone else (?) said: > > I am convinced that it is the wonder of the creative process at work here > > There is more creativity involved in making a compilation tape than one > > might think Yeah! I used to get VERY annoyed in college when "real musicians" would deride DJs as being talentless. I put a *lot* of energy and some talent in to putting shows together, and the craft and artistry needed to keep a dance floor active in live DJing can be, at the least, challenging. I sometimes think I learned as much or more about song writing and creation from studying the disco DJs (yes, it was that long ago) I assisted in college as I did from studying existing songs WretchAwry writes: > We're lucky. Artists, such as Happy, hear themselves differently. They > can't be fans of themselves, not in the same way we are their fans > Too bad I find I often hear things in my own songs for the first time when I'm watching someone else listen to them. In doing my last piece, I included a lot of what I thought was fairly abstract movement -- only to have one of the dancers give me a complex explanation of what the movement meant and how it tied in to things in my life -- and she was exactly right When I was in psychotherapy, one of the most important aspects of it was that I'd bring to the sessions my latest songs and poems, and we'd discuss them. They often were way more revealing than I intended In putting together my current performance piece, I'm having some trouble hearing it as an audience member would -- the soundscape is a field recording a made in Jerusalem a few years back, and I have to erase from my mind any knowledge of what the voices speaking in Hebrew are saying, since I can't expect the audience to be able to get any information from them >From another angle, I find, as a tech writer, that programmers have very much the same problems experiencing their programs as users might. Quite often, a programmer sees the program from the innards out, while a user sees it from the interface in. If a user can't figure out how to enter data, s/he's not going to care in the least that it uses a really nifty hashing algorithm. Chris Sampson writes: > Please ask your roomate about the current status of the Lounge > Lizards a/o John Lurie....I've heard they've broken up. I believe they put > out an album about 2 years ago, and assumed they'd always be together, > since they seemed to be on their way up... I hope they're still around, I have their very first album, and used to play it a lot. Talking about them down here gets confusing, by the way, since there's a band called the Austin Lounge Lizards, and when someone mentions the Lounge Lizards I ahve to ask which one they mean Unfortunately, they're almost never talking about the true ones SANDOVAL@stsci.edu writes: > 1) Can someone out there explain to me the Bowie "mythos"? I've never > really been a big Bowie fan, but I do have his Changes CD. What I'm wondering > is how some of his songs tie in? This has come up since I've been listening > to Happy's "Ashes to Ashes" and really listening to the words. Is this song > part of the "Ziggy Stardust" story? What other songs are included in the > story? Any help is appreciated... :) "Ashes to Ashes" is a followup to "Space Oddity", and has no direct connection to the Ziggy mythos. The Ziggy material was on the album "The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars", though only thre songs (I think) have clear links. I'd love to make a movie of the album; I have much of it sketched in my head > Also, when we took our trip to the beach :), we heard a show that > featured covers of songs. We heard Sting sing "Tempted" and someone else sing > "Invisible Sun". This sounds like a good show for "Ashes to Ashes". I don't > remember what time the show was on, but Saturday mornings aren't usually early > for me. :) The only thing I care about on Saturday mornings is "Schoolhouse > Rock". :) A thought rattling in my head (bonk, bonk): If we were to put together a dream album of famous artists doing Happy songs, who would we pick, and for what songs? ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 19:26:30 EDT From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: brni's address (long, technical, no Happy content) d(that's *doctor* d to you)sr explains brni's problem: >[...] isn't technology wonderful?! :) (no sarcasm intended!) -g -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 19:38:05 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman I saw the most remarkable film last night. It's called Un Cour de Hivre (approx) (The Heart of Winter) and is one of the best films I have seen in a very long time. If the last 15 minutes would have worked for me as well as the rest of the film, it would have been a guaranteed 5 stars. As it was, it only dropped to about 4.5 The movie was incredibly emotional. The characters feelings were so strong that it made my heart flutter and my stomach clench up. There are musical passages (Ravel's trios) that are overwhelmingly passonate. Even people who don't really like classical music (Like my ex-gf) were completely rapped up in the playing Added bonuses were the way the film was constructed. Many scenes inside a violin shop were so well layed out and interesting, and the sense of depth and appreciation of the craftsmenship and the instruments overflowed the screen. What I thought was most remarkable was the use of sound. Only one or two movies can I think of that had such an effective use of sound, or the absence of sound Only the sounds that were relevant were included, and the absence of peripheral sounds made the ones that were there seem that much more important. Spans of as long as minutes elapsed with only a few hushed words or some creeking or clanking, and this just acted to heighten the emotional tension The movie really made a strong impression on me, and I would love to hear what other people think. It also seems to be open for a bit of interpretation, since the Union Tribune gave it a good review without the writer appearing to understand anything about the film The slightly alternative Reader gave it a stronger review, that was very analytical, and not what I got out of the film, but interesting My ex-gf had a different interpretation of some key scenes, but was confused by the movie, and I had an interpretation that seemed natural to me (though no one else echoed it) that was a good intellectual answer, but doesn't work for me emotionally. And the film was so emotional that I didn't want to settle for an intellectual answer, although I feel the emotions just weren't there for the movies end So, please go see it so I can have a good discussion about it neal (working hard to win most verbose competition) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 22:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Notes Hi! Anthony, you *wouyldld* have to drop a bomb about Happy's "best of" album and then run away, wouldn't you??? Guess I'll have to give Susanne a call and see what I can get out of her. ;> (I do need to call her, really- WESU just added HR5 (funinally) and I should let her know) woj and I went up to Maine last weekend, and we listened to WCLZ in Portland (98.1, I think), which station I had hreeard has beedad been known to play Happy, and I', m sure is the reason Portland is on her maybe list for the tour Sure enough, we heard "Waking Up", and later thant evening they we tuned in the World Cafe and heard "Ashes to Ashes" in a set of covers. Happy on the radio twice in one day. Wow "Ashes to Ashes" vcertainly seems to be doing its job and getting her on the radio, at least around here Ingrid Karklins show this weekend!!! Yay!!!!! And don't forget about Katemas at Casa Footah con woj, this Saturday.. Meredith meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 22:45 EST From: Guyver-One Subject: the something of the something continues... > Subj: The Abnihilisation of the Etym Oh, yeah, that's it. :) > (The title is actually entirely irrelevant.) so's what I just said. :) > Guyver-One writes: >> Umm, "Guyver-One" and MacGyver (or is it McGyver?) don't have anything to do >> with each other. :) My "mail-name" comes from a Japanimation thing that I >> saw and liked a lot. People ask me this all the time, or at least they did, >> when I was on relay. :) I hope this didn't come across as rude, it's not >> intended that way, I'm amused when people confuse the two b/c they look and >> sound so similar. :) > To further complicate things, there's what appears to be a live-action > movie, "The Guyver", starring Mark Hamill (I think) that's out on > video Yup, there is. It does star (?) Mark Hamill. I'm somewhat embarassed to admit that I've seen it, but at least I wasn't the one who paid to rent it. :) It's really not worth your time. The movie is based on the animation, but the animation is just a lot better, I just wish the damn store would get the third tape of the animation so that I can see how it ends!!!! While I'm here, you can put me down as a possible Ecto-hostel. Being a young un' (I think I did that wrong but the correct way of spelling that has decided to vacant the premises of my skull) I still live at home so I would have ask my parents. Bottom line - if you're ever coming through or nearby Terre Haute, Indiana (though why you would I can't imagine) drop me a line at: miharki@indsvax1.indstate.edu with advance warning (no less than a week before should work ok) and I'll see what the situation around here is. I can always ask, but I can't promise. If I were on my own, I would. That's all for now... still wondering why my tape deck has decided that the left track of things is less important than the right and therefore records the left quieter than the right...but only sometimes! Kevin _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ /_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_\ // \\ \\ / \/ \/ \ // // "What is the reason / / >< \ \ * * * \\ \\ for having roses ! ! ! \ \ \ ! ! ! // // when your blood is * * * \ \ >< / / \\ \\ shed carelessly?" \ /\ /\ / // // \\ \\_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _// \_-_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_- -_-_/ Tom Servo on Catalina Caper: "was that the funny part?" "...yes, it's never too early to fuse your spinal cord together, in a few years these children will be addicted to painkillers, but for now little Billy is paralyzed..." -- Crow T. Robot -- ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1993 02:24:50 +1000 (AEST) From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Minesweeper (r) In apana.lists.rec.happy-rhodes, article , you wrote: > heh, another case of ectosynchronicity! jessica got "minesweeper" I'm still amazed that Microsoft actually package games as part of the Windows system :-) > i was intrigued enough to write a version for X11 (there was already > a version, but i wanted to start my own from scratch -- i am a bit > compulsive about Xwindows programming ;) i am thinking of adding > strange new features :) when it's done, i'll let y'all know ;) I have a collection of about 8 Amiga Minesweeper games, so if there are any Amigoid wanna-be MineSweepers out there, drop me a line and I'll send you the best one(s) :-) Anthony ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: a swell evening.. Date: Tue, 27 Jul 93 23:57:18 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Well, Mike bailed on me last night, and Beth bailed on me at 8:00 this evening (truly the last minute...I called her at 8:00 'cause she was due at my house between 7:30 and 8!) but I persevered and managed to get *one* friend to go with me to see Ingrid Karklins at the 15 Minutes in downtown DC Quite a bonus--we got their nice 'n early (since when I called yesterday the feller who gave me info couldn't tell me what time she'd be going on stage) and got in before the $5 cover went into effect. Free concerts! I *like* that I'm still kicking myself for not taking my CD to get an autograph There's not *too* much I can say about the concert except that it was great. I recognized most of the songs but couldn't begin to guess their names. ;-) I was rather disappointed that she didn't play "Leatherwing Bat" (my favorite track on _A Darker Passion_). She did, however, play "Hiro/Smitten" which is another of my faves. "Big One/Little One" sounded *much* better live Ingrid was on keyboards, kokles, penny whistle, and violin. Very impressive was the song in which she played penny whistle with one hand, keyboard with the other, and every now and then moved the pennywhistle away from her face so she could sing. There was a drummer (Stacey somebodyorother) and a bassist (can't recall his name) both of whom were quite good. I was quite impressed by the drumming, and it was nice to see a female percussionist jamming away--it seems rare Ingrid was nice 'n talkative. Apparently they just left Austin yesterday morning 10:00 am and drove for 30 hours There was a surprisingly (to me) large Latvian contingent in the audience and she spoke to them in Latvian a bit All in all, a groovacious evening, and one I would have been more than happy to spend $5 on had they actually asked me to pay the cover charge And news...Ingrid says that Green Linnet has agreed to release another album, so she'll be hitting the studio this fall!! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1993 16:01:53 CDT From: Subject: Announcement of deadline Those opting to send me the texts of introductions for their HBP selections, for me to read onto the tape, should email them in time for them to reach me by 5 PM, Central Daylight Time on Thursday, July 29. (CDT is five hours ahead of Greenwich Mean Time). This will, in the best case, give me a chance to record them Thursday night and mail the tape to Doug on Friday, to give it the best chance of reaching him by the following Monday Anyone foreseeing a problem with this schedule should email me immediately Mitch U15289@uicvm.uic.edu ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 28 Jul 93 0:54:56 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Happa Happa Happa Hey guys.. HAPPY BIRTHDAY to woj!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to John Relph!! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Bob Kollmeyer!! Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)