Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #671 ecto, Number 671 Monday, 26 July 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Late review of Syd Straw's show at QE2 kd lang Unplugged An American Apologizes "Sweet Relief" Re: as Klaus as Klaus can be warning, low glass Re: a question (several really) Happy Birthday Project -- take six Private to dbx Re: strange CDs and the fate of people without a feeling for numbers Closing Down.. FOOTAH katemas weekend in boston Marc Ribot (for brni) Minesweeper (r) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 03:11:13 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Late review of Syd Straw's show at QE2 Well, she had a real band this time. However, she didn't play *anything* off her album :-{ What she did play was mostly new stuff ("This will be on my next album, if I am ever allowed to make another one"), with a few covers tossed in (Husker Du, Robyn Hitchcock, and closing with Led Zepplin-remember that she closed her last show with Highway to Hell (AC/DC). The drummer used a cardboard box for a bass drum! Good time. Opener was Vic Chesnut (sp), a guy in a wheelchair (atrophied legs) who plays a mean guitar, with a backup of a drummer and a Bass player who were no help at all. Vic's music is similar in style to Cowboy Junkies, but the lyrics are more like Timbuk3 on drugs Not optimum for a live act, but I bet his album(s?) are way cool. get a band, though Vic also played with Syd's band. A couple songs she started by telling the Bass and Vic that they don't know this one, but when you figure it out, hop right in. Oh yeah, she did a couple of Vic's tunes as well Well, I have to be at work in less than 6 hours, so I think I should crash Dennis Parslow What do you want? Do you want to go out? Troy, NY 12180 Do you want a cookie? Do you want me to p00421@psilink.com dial the number for you? Jane Siberry "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 00:47:29 PDT From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: kd lang Unplugged Was over at a friend's house when what came on MTV but kd lang Unplugged. The more I see kd the more I begin to agree with Kiri that she is one of the goddesses I'd make this longer, but it's been a long day. Stayed up until 2 last night, got called at 8:30 to go to breakfast with a friend, had an 18-mile run, then went flying to practice landings. Landings are the hardest part. It was easy to land on the huge runway at the Eugene airport but the tiny Creswell runway was a stress-o-rama. Chris kept telling me to relax. It would have been easier to relax if I hadn't known that making a sufficiently wrong move would have smacked us into the ground :-) ======================================================================== From: Martin Hanley Subject: An American Apologizes Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 9:46:35 +0100 (BST) > Martin Hanley asserts: (and I do mean asserts :) ): > * Come on, guys, this is not a mailing list restricted to the USA, > * nor should it be.. > Please, please, please....Art Liestam already took me to task for > what I, in a reply, termed an "Americocentric" attitude.. Oh, look, I'm sorry. It's not you place to apologise - I was well out of order, even with the justification of being in a rotten mood. Sorry > * Good grief; did *I* get out of bed the wrong side. Apologies all round > While we're attributing behavior to sleep patterns, I would like to > point out that I was extremely tired at the time of the alleged typing > Regardless, I am profoundly sorry for any offense I may have unwittingly > inflicted on non-American EcTophiles. One of the amazing things about the > net is its international-ness, n'est-ce-pas? No offence taken, really. I hope that I didn't offend too many people with my raving (if short) diatribe > | Chris Sampson | Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 09:40:04 BST Subject: "Sweet Relief" No sighting of "Sweet Relief" yet. I asked about it in HMV in York at the weekend and surprise surprise, the assistant had heard of it. Someone else had been asking for it about a week before tim ======================================================================== From: jk101920@ee.tut.fi (Kannisto Juha) Subject: Re: as Klaus as Klaus can be Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 14:51:00 EET DST > Hey, who was the (suspected) ectophile who talked to my friend Frank > (nick: AoC) on IRC? He saw a group named "Happy", joined it and found > out that there was indeed someone who wanted to talk about our Happy > For a couple of days now, I'm also able to IRC (nick: cosmicV), but > sofar I haven't found a kindred spirit > Hmmm... I was hosting a channel called #Happy a few times during recent days but I can't recall having talked to AoC... I did chat with some interesting guy from near Moscow who was 'gaffan'. He had not heard any Happy's music though but was familiar with the name... My nick's 'Juha', btw By the way, got my _Debut_ -cd finally today! It was the last one they had, lucky me! Now I just have to find a kind friend to tape it for me as I have no cd-player as of yet :) Too bad my #1 cd dubber is in London at the moment... Also got myself on the Suzanne Vega -mailing list today... I was surprised to find out that it's much smaller and less active than this one... I thought it'd be huge considering how well known she is in comparison to Happy. Oh well, Ectophiles are an active and intesive bunch it'd seem :) A friend of mine (met him in the army) visited me today and asked me to play Tori's 'Little Earthquakes' -video (I got him hooked on that one during our service) :) After that I played him Happy's 'The Wretches Gone Awry' (my favourite song from her), and he thought the two artists sounded surprisingly similar, he liked Happy very much too! Ok, gotta run now.. Best Wishes, Juha Ps: Seems that I get all the things I've posted here back a few days later as 'undelivered messages' even though they do reach the destination just fine.. -- Juha Kannisto O jk101920@cc.tut.fi O I have a friend in Phobos O Savikukonkatu 21 O jk101920@ee.tut.fi O At times I think I'm almost there O 33530 Tampere O jk101920@cs.tut.fi O * Happy Rhodes * O Finland O +358-31-560941 O ~~~~~~~~~~~~ O ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 25 Jul 93 11:59:18 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: warning, low glass >From: Greg Bossert > >urf, having said that, i admit a great deal of interest in hearing mr >Glass' "symphonic" adaption of some of the material from Bowie and >Eno's "low"... are there any ectopinions on this effort? > hmm. i borrowed it from a friend and taped it, but i haven't had any desire to listen to the tape, at all. it bears little to no resemblence to the bowie/eno music at all, which is, imho, the only thing that could have made it at all interesting. its very *nice* sounding, i suppose, as wallpaper or something.. >*** > >given the increasing frequency of statements of curiousity, >bafflement, and (one sincerely hopes) amusement over the genesis and >application of the word "f**t*h", it is with no small amount of >embarassment that i admit that the more people wonder, the more >stubbornly determined i become to keep the secret. it could be that >the truth is far less entertaining than the mystery, but i think it >more likely (and i am sure you all agree) that the utterance* has, in >its origin and use a Significance so horrifying and maddening as to >require complete and solemn silence (give or take a few giggles and >snickers) > sounds like a bad h.p. lovecraft novel.. > >*/utterance/ <<"Vt@r@ns>> n >1. the act or an instance of uttering >2. a thing spoken >3 > a. the power of speaking > b. a manner of speaking >4. [Linguistics] an uninterrupted chain of spoken or written words not > necessarily corresponding to a single or complete grammatical > unit{sense 4 revised from ACOD Nov88} > > > >/utterance/2 <<"Vt@r@ns>> n. [literary] > >"to the utterance" to the bitter end > >ME f. OF outrance f. outrer surpass, f. L ultra: see /ultra/ > >:) > one of my professors, while intoxicated, said of one of the students (after said student instigated an incident that led to temple university finally instituting a sexual harrassment policy): "jeffery nnnnn is inutterably ignorant." what does this have to do with the term "footah"? or, to put it bluntly, who the hell *is* carter g. woodson? >*** > >brni, i am having trouble responding to your message re FX -- your >address seems garbled. what should i use? > the address is mojzes@monet.vill.edu. i'm not sure why the mailer garbles it like that, and no one answers any of my requests that it be fixed. :( yesterday i went out and bought the alesis quadraverb (after also having looked at the quadraverb gt, which has distortion and compression as well). i decided that i want to be able to toggle the distortion independantly of everything else, so i'll be picking up a distortion box soon. the worst/best part of the whole thing is that while i was checking out effects equipment, i found a bass that i *really really* liked. of course, it cost $1400, so i went down a step to the ibanez sr800, which i found at one store for ~$500, and for ~$700 everywhere else. i think i'll be getting that on tuesday. :) :( :) :( i wonder how i'll pay my tuition? >also, i will promptly pull out my collection of cerebi and check those >letter pages ;) > oh oh >*** > >finally, some Happy, offered not as obligatory but rather in awe, >given a relisten to HR^5: goodness, what a voice > "i'm still waiting" >youknowwhat! what? (blinks eyes innocently) >-greg > brni mojzes@monet.vill.edu ======================================================================== Date: 26 Jul 1993 09:02:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Subject: Re: a question (several really) Kevin writes.. >2) is there any place in this wide, wonderful net of ours that I could find >Cocteau Twins lyrics? (this is not really that important, but it would be nice >:) ) You know, I've often wondered about this myself. I have Blue Bell Knoll and Heaven or Las Vegas on tape and I think they're great! Unfortunately, I can't understand the words...I'm not sure that I'm meant to but if there were any lyrics out there I'd like to know them.:-) >3) what do you do when you make a compilation that you like so much that you >keep listening to it over and over and over even though you think that you >should really be listening to something else? (I finally managed to get >_Debut_ out of my stereo and now I can't get this compilation out of it) I have that problem too...:-) Rhodes VII and Ecto spent an inordinate amount of time in my cd player. In fact, the cds were literally stuck in there after a while! -Quenby ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 07:40:54 MDT From: dbx@ventana.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Happy Birthday Project -- take six Greetings, In all practical terms, this is your LAST chance to contribute to the 1993 Happy Birthday Project. The originally announced deadline was 1 Aug, but since I just realized that is Sunday, I will extend it through my getting my Monday mail. That is STILL very close, so if you want to contribute, ACT NOW! I cannot guarantee that anything received after the deadline will get on the tape (though I will try my best to do so. I plan (hope? :) ) to mail the tapes to Jeff on that Tuesday). Once again, I've tacked the FAQ for the project onto this post I currently have tapes from the following Ectophiles: Steve Fagg Albert Philipsen Dirk Kastens Doug Burks Angelos Kyrlidis Alan Moorse Ulrich Grepel Jane Zakrzewski Bob Lovejoy Jens Brage Dave Dixon (Any spelling errors are mine. :) Please correct me, if needed.) I also have a slip to pick up three packages, which probably include three more tapes Why aren't _you_ on this list? I finally have listened to all of the selections, trying to nail down some timings, check for introductions, etc. (Well, that's my _official_ excuse, of course. :) ) I'd like to make some comments First, a number of people have worried about duplication, which I've publicly and privately pooh-poohed. So far reality has validated my opinion. Of the eleven tapes, there is nothing _close_ to a duplication. Heck, few _genres_ have been duplicated. The range is wonderfully amazing, as I expected Another of my correct suspicions was that I wouldn't have most of the songs in my record collection. Correct! So far, just one Second, I had better watch what I say more carefully. :) I suggested ten minutes as a limit, and people have held me to that. Five of the tapes clock between 9 and 10min. Two of them clock between 9:55 and 10:00! (Not to mention Bob Lovejoy's 14:20 contribution). More importantly, the total already is over 92min, so the project will definitely extend onto a second tape. For those who have sent just one tape, you can either mail me a second tape (C-90) or else you can use the tape dubbing project. Bob Lovejoy, the post office broke your 90min blank cassette in a way that I didn't think cassettes could be broken. Finally, given the number of people who have sent ninety minute tapes, I will use two C-90's for the final product Third, of the eleven contributors, four included their own original music. My hat's off to you all! They're *wonderful*! Fourth, I have a few questions for specific contributors: Steve Fagg: How should "Glenney" be spelled correctly? Dirk Kastens: Who should I credit your medley to -- you? Ulrich Grepel: For your last selection, should the first word in the song title be "Though" rather than "Through"? Albert Philipsen: I lost your note. :( Which song did you prefer as a second alternate selection? Alan Moorse: If I had to use a second song from your contribution, which would you like me to pick? Jens Brage: How much should I contribute towards Jeff's kite for you? Fifth, a hearty thank you to all of the contributors, past and future C'mon, folks! We have a second tape to fill! :) Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Private to dbx Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 15:28:30 BST My appologies to the rest of the list. This is for Doug's eyes only Doug, I tried to reply to your recent message, but the mailer at your end wouldn't accept it. I've attached the bounced mail in its entirity since that: 1. may indicate that something needs fixing at your end 2. includes my original reply, which hopefully you willnow get T.T.F.N Steve Forwarded message: > From MAILER-DAEMON@ventana.atmos.coloState.edu Mon Jul 26 15:23:04 1993 > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 08:10:30 MDT > From: MAILER-DAEMON@ventana.atmos.coloState.edu (Mail Delivery Subsystem) > Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 5 > Message-Id: <9307261410.AA24590@ventana.atmos.coloState.edu> > To: "S.L.Fagg" > Content-Length: 0 > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > mail: Options MUST PRECEDE persons > 554 ... unknown mailer error 5 > > ----- Unsent message follows ----- > Received: from eurogate.bnr.co.uk by ventana.atmos.coloState.edu (5.0/GENERIC HACK Sendmail.cf 5/24/89) > id AA24588; Mon, 26 Jul 93 08:10:30 MDT > Received: from bnr.co.uk by eurogate.bnr.co.uk with SMTP (PP) > id <23304-0@eurogate.bnr.co.uk>; Mon, 26 Jul 1993 15:13:40 +0100 > Received: from bhars217.bnr.co.uk by hedera.bnr.co.uk with SMTP (PP); > Mon, 26 Jul 1993 15:11:25 +0100 > Message-Id: <9307261409.14633@bhars217.bnr.co.uk> > Received: from bhars218.bnr.co.uk on bhars217.bnr.co.uk over SMTP (5.61++/UK-2.1-MX(bhars217 aka gem)-26aug92.1(based on storax)); > Mon, 26 Jul 93 15:09:18 +0100 > From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk > Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Project -- take six > To: dbx@ventana.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) > Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 15:09:18 BST > In-Reply-To: <9307261340.AA24582@ventana.atmos.coloState.edu>; from "Doug Burks" at Jul 26, 93 7:40 am > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] > content-length: 525 > > On Mon, 26 Jul 93 at 07:40:54 MDT, you wrote: > > Steve Fagg: How should "Glenney" be spelled correctly? > > (so much for trying not to prejudice people's listening by keeping > quiet about my selections in Ecto and only back-announcing the tracks > on the tape :-)) The surname of the performer of the first piece is > spelled "Glennie" > > -- > Regards > > Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) > BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK > > *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** > -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: strange CDs and the fate of people without a feeling for numbers Date: Mon, 26 Jul 93 9:47:34 CDT [Stuff about a supposedly noxious cd deleted] > > (Br!an: I should send it to you, since the thing is called 'bei diesem Lied sollst > Du N!CHT TANZEN' ('to this song you should NOT DANCE'). W!th the !=i > > Uli Heck, I'll take it.... (he offers, not grasping the implications) I've got mondo bizarro stuff as it is, and if nothing else I could probably find someone that might like it... or.. well, at least want it.. br!an (possibly regretting his cute flipped I) -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== From: Martin Hanley Subject: Closing Down.. Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 15:56:38 +0100 (BST) Dear all, My contract here at SCO has run out, at least for a while. I'd just like to say goodbye to you, and wish you well with the tape and kite projects Anyway, thanks to you all; anyone (Chris, Doug, Tony) who wishes to contact me can do so at: Martin Hanley April Cottage 238 High Street Batheaston Avon BA1 7QZ England Phone: (0225) 852505 Work: (0249) 448870 I've managed to convince the enlightened people here to keep the account open for a while (for receiving mail only), and I'll still get the digest for that time. And who knows, the contract may be renewed. But until then, byebye Oh, btw, am I the only one who would *love* an EctoForm kite? Is there a possibility of getting one made up? Real prices, of course; no exploitation here. :-) Imagine the promotional potential of flying a kite with the Ecto being on it! Anyway, answers on a postcard, please.. Bye, Subject: Marc Ribot (for brni) [To all non-brni EcTophiles, sorry to take up so much bandwidth with a one-to-one commuique, but brni's email address is unknown to my mailer brni, what's the story????] brni, I am a Lounge Lizards fan, too, hence the recognition of the name Marc Ribot when it appeared in the Hartford Courant [the writer foolishly left out any reference to LL!]. I too have _Live in Tokyo (Big Heart)_ and _No Pain for Cakes_... and, dare I admit it, I have the CD of _The Lounge Lizards 79/81 (Live)_, though I haven't listened to it yet. Marc does not appear on that one (I believe Arto Lindsay, among others, is on guitar, I'll check tonight). If you like guitar work that's "out there" you'd like Marc's Show (though the acousics (it being an outdoor show) were pretty bad. The bio they handed out tells us that he has a "record" (I was hopoing for a CD) on Island called MARC RIBOT:ROOTLESS COSMOPOLITANS. My SO wants to get it. What's the latest on the Lounge Lizards, BTW. Are they together, still? Are they playing anywhere? Inquiring minds want to know. I'll post later with a detaile review of the Marc Ribot/Sonny Sharrock Concert. Sorry I didn't mention it earlier :( I keep fogetting to recalibrate, most people I deal with have only heard of th Lounge Lizards from me, nevermind individual names like John or Evan Lurie etc... Anyway, glad to find another Lounge Lizards fan on EcTo....:) Any more of you out there Chris chris@neuron.uchc.edu ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1993 12:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Minesweeper (r) Help, I've become addicted to Minesweeper on windows, and am having a logical problem. Someone once asserted that, aside from the first move, you should *never* have to guess...I don't believe that. Furthermore, I find the expert level intractable. Invariably, I come upon a scenario in which I am forced to guess...after a few of these, probability fails me (succeeds in its own right) and I "blow up" (reeeeeaaaalllll goood). Any hints out there????? What's up with the two-button maneuver, anyway? Chris chris@neuron.uchc.edu ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)