Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #661 ecto, Number 661 Tuesday, 20 July 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Just a wacky idea The Ecto-hostel idea. Re: Concerts concerts conce tribe Re: The Ecto-hostel idea. Re: Orlando kite update 1 ill-health, good spirits, and more The Flood List Re: Just a wacky idea ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 22:19:17 +0200 From: brage@id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Re: Just a wacky idea Hi! Brian wrote (no, not "Romans go home!" :-)): > I had a weird idea and I wanted to get some feedback to it. Not so weird and not so bad an idea... However, as others have remarked, something like this is already working, so I don't know if it's necessary to actually do anything... What kind of "setup" did you have in mind? As for myself, if any Ectophiles are passing by Denmark, you're welcome (subject to me being around at the time ;-)). Just give me some weeks warning... > No one would be expected to offer food (since dining in > a new town can be an exciting adventure.) just a place to crash for the > night. I might even offer a dinner if you dare try my cooking! How's your travel insurance? ;-) Jens P. Brage (brage@id.dth.dk)| Between those in constant power and those in Design Automation Group |constant pain. Between those who run to glory Center of Integrated Electronics|and those who cannot run. Tell me, which ones Technical University of Denmark |are the cripples and which ones touch the sky? ======================================================================== From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: The Ecto-hostel idea. Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 15:21:13 CDT I had propsed an Ecto-hostel idea and got several responses from it. Two, however implied that there was one in effect already: Jens said: > Not so weird and not so bad an idea... However, as others have > remarked, something like this is already working, so I don't know if > it's necessary to actually do anything... What kind of "setup" did you > have in mind? What do you guys mean about one already working? I know that several of you have visited each other, but I'm not aware of any sort of open offer from others in the group. Should I make of list of the willing participants? (i.e. do I have everyone's consent to publicize your generosity?) I kept all the responses I got (though not all gave locations) so I could do that if there was interest (and permissions, of course) br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@lobby.ti.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: 20 Jul 1993 17:40:44 U From: "Christine Waite" Subject: Re: Concerts concerts conce Reply to: RE>>Concerts concerts concer Does anyone know of any other dates for The Bobs? I saw them in Central Jersey last year...They're wonderful!!! They played a club in NYC and they weren't well received, so I don't know if they'll play there again....Schedules, Schedules, Anyone???? Leaving for The Cranberries concert in ten minutes... Whee!!!! :) Peace, Christine :) Subject: tribe how many CDs are are at this point residing in footahland, loitering in the halls, huddling in dark corners, holding contentious CD congresses on every flat surface? well, perhaps an analogy will help: imagine that the earth is a basketball in des moines, and the sun is a U-Haul trailer moving west on the trans-canadian highway at 100 kph (aprox. 62 mph), okay? and then imagine all the CDs are stacked up, only sideways, on the narrow bottom edge, with the hinges pointing left. got that? well, then, from that perspective, the number of CDs would be... er... um... lots. but that isn't why i am writing :) i *am* writing to suggest, in all humble footahness, that y'all go buy the new Tribe album, and heck, if you don't have the old Tribe album, get that one too ;) some details: Tribe is a group of about 8 years standing, from the boston area. they have a female lead vocalist (surprise! ;), plus female BVs and occasional leads from the keyboard player. guitar, bass, and drums round out the mix. everyone 'cept the drummer shares in the song-writing, usually in pairs, which leads to a widely varied musical and lyrical style. musically, the band features fairly complex arrangements with strong melodies and a contrapunctal feel. Janet's vocals are rich and wide- ranging; she can growl and screech but she spends most of her time truly singing. When she goes over the top (at the end of "Jakpot", for example), i can only copmpare here to KaTe in effect (not in sound, however, for you-er-us KaTe-purists ;) Terri's voice is closer to the alternative standard, clear, high, and low in vibrato, but her involvement with the music and lyrics is far deeper than others of that style. Eric and Greg add vocals in many of the songs -- when they all get going the weave of voices is dizzying. Eric's guitar is often tough, angry, with soaring melodic lines and lots of effects and a complete lack of grunge, metal, and alternative cliches. Terri's keyboards are simple, textural, and catchy -- i suspect she has classical training, given the deftness of the parts. Greg's bass actually has rythmic and melodic significance (all too rare in the "alternative" genre). and David's drumming is quirky and original (check out "Rescue Me"!), but gets people jumping about the dance floor. the first two CDs have a clean, crisp sound. on their latest album ("Sleeper") the keyboards and drums are a bit further back in a swamp of reverb but the clever bits are still audible. lyrically, the group has a knack for alternating unusual topics such as the lottery and the "supercollider" particle accelerator with songs about abusive relationships, over-possesive parents, substance abuse. they have an eye for details that makes the songs real and compelling; the feeling i get is "yes, i know exactly what they mean, i've been there, why didn't i see it that way?". early releases include a single and EP on rutabaga records -- almost impossible to find, even on boston. they have three CDs: * Here at the Home, 1990, Rutabaga Records/RPM RCD-003 -- out of print and out of distribution, because all but two of the songs were rerecorded for the next album, but worth it for those two songs and the original 4-track recording of "Abort". * Abort, 1991, Slash/Warner 9 26676-2 -- rerecordings of most of their previous stuff, plus four new and very very very good songs. this album is just utterly brilliant, IMf!O. * Sleeper, 1993, Slash/Warner 9 45273-2 -- 12 all new songs. a denser mix, with a 4AD/my bloody valentine flavor, but few listens reveal all the intricate melodies and rhythms of their earlier work. i suspect that this one is brilliant too ;) for more info, you can email the group (!) at: tribe@world.std.com live, the group is every bit as wonderful and extraordinary. bowing to the realities of pop music, i note that they look great (Janet's outrageous posing and Terri's shy-but-devastating cuteness caught my eye the most, but hey, that's me -- i can certainly extrapolate an equal interest in the other three ;) they have a lot of fun live, occasionally switching places so that David sings, Terri plays drums, etc. the bottom line is that they can really play, and their sincerity makes songs like "Payphone" and "Vigil" simply overwhelming. (and check out "Abort" when the whole audience is shouting along with "what's that?/too loud?/ ah, come on!" ;) they ought to be touring in support of the new album -- i'll post a schedule as soon as i get it... if you have gotten this far, sorry for all the gushing, but this group deserves it! so stop sittin' around reading, go buy some CDs already! footah! -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 22:35:11 MET From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Re: The Ecto-hostel idea. Hi again! [Hmm, I think I'm beginning to sound like Eddie, the shipboard computer... ;-)] > What do you guys mean about one already working? I know that > several of you have visited each other, but I'm not aware of any > sort of open offer from others in the group. Well, in general, when somebody was going somewhere, they have announced it on Ecto, and then various Ectophiles in the area have offered hospitality... I'm just not sure how different the Ecto-hostel idea would be in practice? After I posted my former reply to your suggestion, I did think of one thing that might be nice: How about a map of the locations of Ectophiles/Ecto-hostels? That could be a considerable help for those of us with a weak sense of geography (such as myself ;-)). Note, I'm not opposing your idea: As I said, I think the basic idea is good, and if you think the hostels arrangement is necessary, do go ahead! :-) As for my location: Copenhagen, Denmark. Jens P. Brage | And I looked up and there they were: Millions brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | of tiny teardrops just sort of hanging there. /\ | And I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. \SphereSoft | And I said to myself: What next big sky? ======================================================================== Date: 20 Jul 1993 17:45:48 U From: "Christine Waite" Subject: Re: Orlando Reply to: RE>Orlando There was an article in Sunday's newspaper regarding Orlando. It said that the movie cost 4 million to make. Funding came for Czech, Russia, England and a few other places... I'll try to bring in the article tomorrow and type some interesting bits from it.... -Christine :) ======================================================================== Subject: kite update 1 Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 17:54:07 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Hey folks... I just spoke to the feller at Hang 'em High Fabrics and placed an order for 6 yards of white, 1 yard of navy blue, and 1 yard of fluorescent blue. After fiddling with the 3-color filtered Ecto scan for a while and comparing it to the shirt version (blue, light blue, white), I finally decided that it looked better with a dark blue instead of the black, and a darker, much more saturated blue instead of the almost baby blue used on the t-shirt (not that I'm criticizing Jessica's wonderful shirt!). The white will again be white. The contrast between the 3 colors looks real nice. I considered sticking with the light blue, but the blue available to me is just too light; to get it saturated enough not to fade out next to the white in bright sunlight, I would need to use a double layer of blue, and I still might not get the effect I'd want. I also ordered a 7" circular plastic kite winder in...you guessed it, blue. Mike has already taken care of printing out the Ecto scan for me in the appropriate size for the kite: 32"x20". I'm still deciding what to do with the "legs" at the bottom of the kite. The right leg will probably contain my kitemaker's signature and the generic "birthday greetings from the ectophiles." I'm considering doing a stylized HTR monogram on the left leg (if you're unclear as to what I'm talking about, take a look at one of the scans of Mike's kite, available from ftp.hawaii.edu in pub/rec/kites/graphics/jpeg (the pictures are nform3.jpg and nformj.jpg)) and you'll get an idea of the shape of the kite. Sometime soon (tomorrow?) I'll be heading out to pick up thread (white, which I ran out of on my last project), dark blue (ditto) and light blue (which I've never needed before!) as well as the blue edge binding which, like the black on Mike's kite, will sharply define the edges of the kite and make it stand out more. Mike: I need a favor. When you have time, I'd appreciate it if you could write a little page or so on flying the kite. Since you're essentially a non-kiter, I think you could do a better job of figuring out what info is important with regard to launching and such. I can add details you're not sure on (wind range? though you probably know your kite's bottom range better than I do...I only fly T-16s). Don't worry about the whole daisy chain thing. There's an easier way to store bridle lines that's easier to explain to someone for whom I can't demonstrate. Money: so far, I've charged about $45 worth for the fabric and winder (with shipping/handling). I expect another $5-10 for the thread, edgebinding, and cardboard for templates of the graphic (fortunately, I still have the kite pattern from when I made Mike's). Donations can be sent directly to me at: Jeff Burka 2950 Macomb St, NW Washington, DC 20008-3315 In addition, Doug Burks will be sending me a check. If you would like him to deduct a donation from your tape dubbing account, send him e-mail (dbx@olympic.atmos.coloState.edu) to that effect. Finally, there was an offer from someone in England to do a similar single-check conglomeration for folks overseas who don't want to deal with currency exchange (and don't have an account with Doug). Unfortunately, I've accidentally deleted that e-mail, and can't remember who it was who made this generous offer! I'd appreciate it if you'd speak up if that offer still stands. I can't really suggest an appropriate donation. I'm not looking to make any money on this, but at the same time I can't afford to be stuck with the expenses right now. Just do what you think is right. If you have any questions or comments on this whole thing, or if you're becoming intrigued with this whole kite thang, drop me a line. It's my favorite subject to gab about. ;-) Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 15:05:22 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: ill-health, good spirits, and more Jessica: Hope you aren't feeling too poorly. Better four digests in a row than none at all. Does the appearance of a digest in my mailbox tell me every time you log onto the computer? If so, you are a very busy lady. Vickie: > please unsubscribe me from the ecto mailing list :-( -v- When I saw this, I thought YOU were unsubscribing, and felt quite sad. (Glad it was an error I quickly caught.) I don't think you are actually allowed to unsubscribe, are you? Sorry to hear about your problems. Your notes are always little beams of sunshine in the digest, and I'm sure many people would echo those sentiments, though perhaps more eloquently. Whatever thoughts may run through your head, you are making others happy out in the ether, and hope- fully that helps you in return. Ecto-hostel: I like the idea and would be willing to participate, with all the usual caveats, plus some extra's like my ex-girlfriend who I still live with would have to have veto power, since it makes our bedroom situation quite interesting, but let's not go into that, ok? Neal ======================================================================== From: Andrea@hivnet.ubc.ca Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 15:28:46 PDT Subject: The Flood List I'd like to add one more to brni's list of "Music to Accompany a Flood" :-) Rain, Beautiful Rain by Ladysmith Black Mambazo. Would "Marianne" by Sisters of Mercy count? There is not water imagery in the title but the lyrics themselves are full of water imagery. Andrea. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 20 Jul 93 18:27:58 EDT From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Just a wacky idea br!an is hostel: > Anyone who would be interested in participating in an Ecto-hostel, > let me know. i have had delightful results as a gaffa/ecto host, both in boston and here in NJ -- i cannot exaggerate my delight in meeting my fellow fans :) heck, i moved to new jersey 'cause of one person i hosted, and my apartmentmate is another :) so sign me up! woj says fine too ;) details: greg 'footah' bossert and rob 'woj' woiccak 66 suydam st. first floor new brunswick, new jersey 08901 908-745-7486 warning: cats (3) abiding... advance notice of visits is required, so we can move enough CDs out of the way to make space for sleeping... -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)