Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #646 ecto, Number 646 Tuesday, 13 July 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* What do you get for the singer-songwriter who has everything? Kate song titles Re: Test post- non Love-Hounds disregard Jeanne Schreiter (SHARK) DiDs So little time, so many notes! Re: man bites dog "Be Careful What You Say" Re: DiDs HaPpY Birthday ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1993 16:23:40 CDT From: Subject: What do you get for the singer-songwriter who has everything? WRT Doug's call for ideas for a birthday gift for Happy: I recently came across a book on women in science fiction, a genre that Happy likes. The frequent buyer program at a local bookstore I frequent has won me gift cert- ificates, which I could use to acquire a copy very economically. Best of all, they gift wrap free. The table is, of corse, open to other people's suggestions. Mitch ======================================================================== Subject: Kate song titles Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 16:19:52 -0700 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com Meredith wonders: > >I'm testing this theory out in these waters, since many Ectophiles also >read Love-Hounds/rec.music.gaffa, and this is something I could be eaten >for lunch for over there. (Hell, I may be eaten for lunch for it here too, >but at least here I'd know it's a nice meal. ;) With the right toe-toppings -- oops, wrong list. :) >Is it just me, or are the song titles for Kate's new single(s) and their >descriptions just a bit too far out to be believed? "Eat The Music" as >a Brazilian song about music and food??? "Big Stripy Lie"? (Okay, that one >I can see on a Kate album.) The Madagascan Mix of the former??????? > >My theory is that someone is having fun at Peter FitzgeraldMorris' expense. Possible. I just don't know. I shared your reaction to the song titles in the announcement (a friend and I both thought "Big Stripy Lie" had a Cocteau-ish spin to it), but I'm willing to suspend my judgement -- if not my curiosity -- until I've got something worth shining a laser beam at. We should know in about a month's time. Maybe one of these is the Prince song? John Zimmer, with a nice salad on the side johnz@eaglet.rain.com ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 17:03:31 EDT From: ken@engr.startek.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: Test post- non Love-Hounds disregard I have to agree that the song titles seem a bit weirder than I would have expected..... .....Maybe we're seeing Prince's influence in action. -Ken D ======================================================================== Date: 12 Jul 93 22:06:18 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Jeanne Schreiter (SHARK) Hello Ecto. This is a rather urgent note to Jeanne. If you are still with us here. You posted some poems long ago, and said I could write music to them if I wanted to. I sent you a tape a long time ago. Well, around the same time I wrote that (Kite Strings) music, I also wrote music for your musical theme poem (...in the music as it revels in my being....die) (I'm sure you know what poem I'm referring to). Unfortunately, I never did send you a tape of that one. But I was thinking about stuff to put on my HBP 10 minutes and for some reason that piece stuck in my mind. Also, I now have a dubbing deck and really good microphone. So I laid down the piano and vocals for that poem and it came out really well. (Way better in quality all-around than the one I sent you, which I'm still embarassed about a bit.) So, the question of the moment is, would it be ok if I included this on the HBP. Time is of the essence as the Aug. 1 deadline rapidly approaches. If anyone on ecto can pass this message on to Jeanne, I'd appreciate it. In a pinch, if you do not OK this, then I might just include the instrumental, which is reasonably interesting... and the recording quality is better than I expected. I hope in the near future to record all my songs this way, now that I know it "works." Thanks Jeanne. That's a great piece of writing. Very inspirational and matches much of the themes in Happy's music as well. -mjm (mike mendelson) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 19:20:53 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: DiDs Hmmm, theres' an interesting thought (cribbed from Vickie, who seems to be full of them). What would you bring to that comfy ole desert (besides maybe a really comfortable recliner) if you knew that scads of other Ectophiles would be within earshot. 1. The Pogues - Red Roses For Me 2. Laurie Anderson - Unites States Live 3. Aimee Mann - Whatever (I'd need my own copy for those pensive moments anyway.) 4. The Essential Johnny Cash 5. The Proclaimers - This is the Story 6. Hugo Largo - Drum 7. OHO - Audition ( a now inferior wonderful Baltimore band) 8. Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense 9. Trash Can Sinatras - Cake 10. Flight of the Green Linnet - Celtic compilation I dunno, maybe with too frequent and loud listens to a few of those and my island might be pushed out to sea. Neal ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 02:18:00 BST Subject: So little time, so many notes! Hola Amigos! Deepspace (or SAI) continues to sputter, but I fortunately have the digest here on Genie. I fear Deepspace's days may be numbered if the trouble continues. It's amazing to have two accounts! In perusing back ecto, some notes: Michael, my deepest condolences regarding Mia Zapata. I never heard her music, and we are all the poorer for being denied her potential. This is one bent planet. Brni notes the film "Man Bites Dog" in a separate post; this film deals with violence and ultimately points out that accepting violence in our art desensitizes us to it. The film "Toys", of which I wrote a while ago, also call for us to re-examine our values. Now I've enjoyed Ahnold films and the like, but I have to start thinking about our society. All social change must start from the individual. This is a tough topic about which to write. Suffice it to say that what happened is truly terrifying, and I hope that we as a society can stop the senseless killings without losing our freedoms. Whew! Rob Morrow, I just wanted to thank you for the CD fix you posted last month. I tried it on one of my CDs and it worked! If you're ever up in Philly I owe you a beer or something! Terry, I think what you heard of Track six of HR5 is all there is! Pretty cool, yes? Dave D., your friend Chuck Brodsky is playing three times in the Philly area. Can you send more info as to the type of music he plays? Folk covers a wide spectrum! Troy S., regarding a Happy Video Project: No one wants them to do a video more than I, as I'm a telecine colorist with a few music videos under my belt. When I spoke to Kevin, he noted that Happy was very into the creation of a music video and would surely handle the concept herself! The kind of help they would need is more along the technical and business lines. Apparently they had hoped to do a video for Equipoise, and even lined up a computer artist from Albany to direct. They quickly realized that making the video was only the tip of the iceberg - getting it properly distributed was the main problem - it takes a lot of cash. We continue to hope! Jeff S., are you working on the Hubble Space Telescope? Wow, I've always loved astronomy. It's an honor to share the net with you, and good luck on the project! By the way, last night at about 9:17pm, the Soviet space station Mir passed right over Philadelphia! It was a wonder to behold, moving rapidly from south to north directly overhead. Last year we got up early to see one of the shuttles go by... Doug, and Mitch - it's a great idea to buy an extra present for Happy. I have to say I'm an awful wrapper (but a decent rapper) or I'd be glad to volunteer. The book sounds like a great idea. She also might enjoy a CD of the Tallis Fantasia by Vaughn Williams, as she told me the cassette of it I gave her was one of her very favorite listens, and she keeps it in the car. I also know some wonderful and similar pieces she might like. And I promise to mail my tape to Doug early next week. I shall also endeavor to send along an all-music HR acoustic tape from the three radio concerts she gave in Philly, mastered from the original VHS HiFi recordings off the air. I have to decide what music to send to Happy! What do you play for the Gods? Time to go. In closing, I note the label for HR5 is fuzzy blue. Well, maybe not fuzzy... Bob the Ectophile ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 23:58:21 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) hi there, the first time i ever heard happy rhodes i was at work and i hear this *song*, this *voice* and i just stopped what i was doing and said "new kate?" but then i listened more closely and said, "nah, its someone else" but then i thought that maybe since its been practically a quarter of a century since kate's released anything, hell, people's voices change, people's style's change. so, i waited and eventually the dj announced that it was none other than happy rhodes. needless to say i was dissapointed (this changed when i found out she had more than 1 record tho!!) but still, i knew i had to, absolutely *had* to get the album. later on, another dj (mikaela mejoun) at wxpn had an argument on the air with the other dj's, during which she convinced everyone at the station that they should pronounce the album title "equipwas" lest they suffer more public ridicule at her hands. mikaela hosts the "women's music hour" every friday, and this friday i called up to request "warpaint". mm: wxpn. me: hi. could you play some happy rhodes? mm: sure. anything in particular? me: yeah. i'd like to hear "warpaint". mm: anything off the album? me: uh, no. the *song* "warpaint", thats on the album. mm: oh! there's a song called "warpaint"? silly person. and she was passing herself off as the happy rhodes expert at xpn. blech. she needs to learn that doing a show of all female artists does *not* mean playing only those artists who sound identical to the indigo girls; there are tons and tons of women out there who are doing really interesting things, and *that* is what women's hour should celebrate, not just folk, more folk, and a couple pop songs we've all heard before. end of rant. now for something completely different: a while ago bob lovejoy made me a gentle giant tape, and included a song of his own on it. i must admit that i wasn't instantaneously wowed by it, but every time i hear it, i like it better. its a very cool piece, bob. thanks. >From: Greg Bossert > >brni> i just got back from the TOTALLY AMAZING AND WONDERFUL >brni> TONY LEVIN CONCERT!!!! wow!! cool!!! > >*envy* (applies to all who deserve it, from one not clueful enough to >be so deserving ;) > >>i've never seen anyone play bass with the left hand, keyboard >>with the right, jump up and down and sing all at once. > >'cept Geddy Lee, who's got lead vox, yet... but then again, TL is >usually snapping photos via footswitches at the same time (story is, >he and PG will play games trying to stomp the button first and catch >the other looking foolish ;) > yeah, but geddy just plays what bass players always play, just (a lot) faster. tony levin seems to have a different musical perception. >brni> the supporting band were also great. joy askew was a joy to >brni> watch, because of 1) her skill 2) her intensity 3) her blouse ( ;> ) > >and 4) a truly great name ;) > an old band i was with for a while was almost called "forceps askew." interesting ideas, poor execution. sigh. >brni> tony's vocalist was ok. > >i guess when you are as prominent a player as the BBB, you know know >how to find these obscure but not talentless musicians ;) the other >backup bands i have seen him with haven't been half bad (lessee, >something like "anderman, bruson, wakeford, and who", and "the small >mobile crimson unit") > like the gl/tl dichotomy, the bill bruford/neil peart is one of the skillful and subtle vs the skillful and flashy. subtle is much much harder to do. >brni> i would say that gabriel's security and so tours would tie for best >brni> concert ever. this one comes in second, which, in the grand scheme >brni> of things, ain't too bad. > >this footah saw the "security" show in a small theater (loew's, in >woostah MA, if ya care) and counts it amongst the few truly >extraordinary performances so far experienced... my dad liked it too, >but that's another story for another time... > i saw it twice, once in the spectrum arena, then again at the mann music center (where the orchestra plays). both were amazing. the sound at the mann was much better. the set up at the spectrum were better for the theatrical portion. my dad *also* saw about half of one of the shows (the guard let him in for free), and he was raving about it for days. >also, "fan" is a word than can be associated with me, as in: i am >sitting in front of a fan and i am not moving for nothin'... it is >*hot* in NJ!!!! > yesterday it felt really cool and refreshing, and i realized that the temp only went up to a mere 96 degrees t hat day. good thing. 41 people have died from the heat in philadelphia this past week. :( >From: brianb@lobby.ti.com (Brian Bloom) >Subject: Re: The Cocteau Twins > >Travis & Sherry wrote: >> Well, Sherry and I have been seeing posts about The Cocteau Twins >> and we just came across their CD box set. Its sortof wooden with >> a maroon cloth covering and The Cocteau Twins printed in gold(?). >> I think the little sticker on the outside said it contained every >> single released. It was priced at $57. But before going hog-wild >> we'd like to sample their music first. > >I have all of CT's works, and I just wanna warn you that the box set >you refer to is, like you say, just their singles. i.e. not their >complete works. > >Cocteau Twins have gone through a pretty definitive transistion from >a wall-o-guitar buzz grungy sound to a cleaner swirly synth sound. >If you like the former, check out their early albums like Garlands. >If you more into the latter, I would suggest any of Victorialand, >Treasure, Blue Bell Knoll, or Heaven Or Las Vegas. > i'm not sure that i'd call it grungy, since that really has a definitive meaning nowadays. no head-banging or long unwashed hair is involved. a lot of the stuff that sounds like synths on the later albums are, i believe (if what i saw in concert is any indication), actually guitars. whatever you get first, whether its the early "grungy" stuff or the later clean (less distortion) stuff, you will find layers upon layers of sound that interweave with each other and form a hauntingly beautiful whole. >Of course, the box set includes about 10 (?) discs of 4 or 5 tracks each >that cover their entire career. > >Mileage may vary... > i have a "best of" disc called _the pink opaque_ which has wonderful songs, but i never listen to it, because it lacks the flow that the studio albums had. i'm not sure that i'd have much better luck with the boxed set. buy all the albums. all the singles will be on them. :) >br!an brni mojzes@monet.vill.edu ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 00:26:07 EDT From: mojzes@monet.rutgers.edu (brni) Subject: Re: man bites dog laura and co.: yep. i found out it was from belgium about 30 minutes after i typed that in, but didn't have the energy to apologise properly to the french. i really liked the part where he went up against the other mass murderer and *his* film crew. :) the sickest part of the whole film was the poetry. you don't happen to remember how that poem goes, do you? brni ======================================================================== Subject: "Be Careful What You Say" Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 02:03:15 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu In the midst of a response to a flame, I wrote the following paragraph which made me think strongly of Happy's song: " You really don't understand net.communication, do you? You present yourself through your writing. *Only* through your writing. It is *your* responsibility to be clear and concise, to allow no ambiguity, to be sure that what you write is what you mean. The concept of "dwelling on points that deserve little if any merit" is moot because any such points should not be included in the first place. If it's been included, it's fair game. If you don't want it discussed, don't bring it up. Figure out what you want to say and how you want to say it. Be aware that what you write and how you write it will project an image of you; others view you solely through your words." If it were at all appropriate to throw a quote into the e-mail I'm writing right now, I'd probably paraphrase Happy and say "Your eyes cannot reveal anything" after that last sentence. But it really wouldn't be appropriate. And I'd also add to all this that Happy's right. Despite all my above injunctions, you should *still* speak up. Just be sure that your brain is properly engaged. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | |SAFH Lite [tm] | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 12 Jul 93 22:30:02 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: DiDs >DATE: Mon, 12 Jul 93 19:20:53 PDT >FROM: Neal R. Copperman > > Hmmm, theres' an interesting thought (cribbed from Vickie, who >seems to be full of them). What would you bring to that comfy ole >desert (besides maybe a really comfortable recliner) if you knew that >scads of other Ectophiles would be within earshot. > Well, if people want to e-mail me the list of music they would bring, knowing that the rest of us are bringing 10 discs as well, I collate and return it-no more collaboration, though (it would be cheating if we agreed who would bring Kate, Happy, Jane, et al. It should make a way cool list. And Eat to the Music bites as a title. Dennis Parslow What do you want? Do you want to go out? Troy, NY 12180 Do you want a cookie? Do you want me to p00421@psilink.com dial the number for you? Jane Siberry "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 13 Jul 93 08:14:12 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a very HAPPY Birthday to Mitch Pravatiner on July 14th. Have a great day Mitch Peace Terry === Only in your eyes lies your soul ========================= Happy Rhodes === _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] Terry (Tel Boy) Partis | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) \_.-._( ''' With a smile and a song - I'm HaPpy Let me sleep awhile and dream of Avalon and the Beltane fires.................. ............................................our souls entwined for all eternity ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)