Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #640 ecto, Number 640 Friday, 9 July 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* DIDs and DIVs Beach Boys, Sequencer-o-rama DID? Well, once upon a time... Cyndi and Ally DIDs: a different perspective babble Re: Stupid kid in Jurassic Park Zooropa-better by design ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 8 Jul 93 17:00:54 -0400 From: William Morse Subject: DIDs and DIVs Well, here is my premiere post to this ListServer. So... be easy on me. (Now, what was it I was supposed to post? My birthday? - 4/30/68) Ok, doing my DIDs is very hard. Mainly this is because of my eclectic taste. Ah well, here they are (in no real order): CDs: 1. The Circus-Erasure 2. Pop!-Erasure 3. Warpaint-Happy Rhodes 4. Equipoise-Happy Rhodes 5. The Whole Story-Kate Bush 6. Behavior-Pet Shop Boys 7. Black Celebration-Depeche Mode 8. Music for the Masses-Depeche Mode 9. 99.9F Degrees-Suzanne Vega 10. The Singles Collection-Jimmy Sommerville Runners-up: 1. Rhodes II-Happy Rhodes 2. Chorus-Erasure 3. Meat is Murder-The Smiths 4. You and Me Both-Yaz 5. Upstairs at Eric's-Yaz Movies: 1. The Color Purple 2. Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? 3. An American Werewolf in London 4. Blade Runner 5. The Hunger 6. Star Wars Trilogy (Cheating... I know) 7. Torch Song Trilogy 8. The Firm 9. Ferris Bueller's Day Off 10. Koyaaniqatsi Runners-up: 1. The Hidden 2. Parting Glances 3. The Shining 4. Alien and Aliens (Cheating again) 5. The Times of Harvey Milk and finally... 6. Jurassic Park (Not!!!!!!!!!!!!) That's all for now! William labwm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu Join the Suzanne Vega list ----> undertow-request@erasure.cc.emory.edu Join the Cyndi Lauper list ----> shebop-request@erasure.cc.emory.edu _____________________'----------------')_____________________________________ _\ / Republicans / __ /_ \\\ William E. Morse / understand the / Emory University - Atlanta, GA \/ /// \\\ Consult ITD / importance of / Standard Disclaimers Apply!!! /// \\\ Emory Law / bondage b/w / INET: labwm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu /// \\\ Student / parent and /wmorse@erasure_sl.cc.emory.edu (NeXT)/// \\\__________/ child. /_____________________________________/// \\\\\\\\\\ / - Dan Quayle /_ ////////////////////////////////////// \________________\/ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 8 Jul 93 17:07:30 EDT From: Laura Frank Clifford Subject: Re: DIDs and DIVs I noticed a #10 DID pick of Jimmy Sommervile - if you're a fan of his you should check out the new film 'Orlando' - he shows up in some interesting ways and sings in it... Laura ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 8 Jul 93 14:32:31 PDT From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Beach Boys, Sequencer-o-rama Mike Mendelson uttered: Ahhh, my cousin bought *me* one of the many Beach Boys greatest hits albums, and I did buy a Beach Boys 8-track tape before BiA and Queen. (Yikes!) Some of the BB's stuff in the late 60' (ack) 60's is pretty darn good (Smiley Smile, Pet Sounds, etc.) Brian Wilson made some pretty darn interesting sounds back then. I defy anyone to listen to the song "Vegetables" without cracking a smile. Dirk Kastens listed _Exit_ by T. Dream and _The London Concert_ by Christopher Franke on his DID's. If you like the repetitive but really intricate sequencer-driven kind of music, check out _Stormwarning_ by Steve Roach. I like it so much, it's on my DID list. Powerful stuff. D^2 ======================================================================== Subject: DID? Well, once upon a time... Date: Thu, 08 Jul 93 17:38:14 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Here's an old posting from rec.music.gaffa, oh maybe two years ago during one of the big DID flurries. My list du jour would be *way* different, and I suppose I'll have to take some time to figure out what I would pack were I called off to the desert island This Very Minute. But for now, here's that old list. I'd say it's probably still at least 50% valid. As you might guess Happy would definitely be in there now (there's no question that in the last almost-3-years, I've listened to Happy *far* more than KaTe. If you want to interpret that by guessing I like Happy more than KaTe, well, you might be right. I refuse to comment). ----------begin reposting--------------------- How anyone could possibly choose a mere 10 albums to live with for the rest of their life--and still be satisfied with their decision many years later--is beyond me. But, since it seems to be the "in" thing right now, I'll make an attempt. These are in no particular order... 1. Hounds of Love -- Kate Bush 2. Big Science -- Laurie Anderson 3. Animals -- Pink Floyd 4. Misplaced Childhood -- Marillion 5. Crossroads -- Tracy Chapman 6. Graceland -- Paul Simon 7. Alchemy -- Dire Straits 8. Minstrel in the Gallery -- Jethro Tull 9. Never For Ever -- Kate Bush 10. Louder Than Bombs -- The Smiths -------------- Notes: 1. We've been through this. "The Ninth Wave" is KaTe's best album. ;-) 2. Somebody already mentioned _Stange Angels_ which is another of my favorite albums. I've found, though, that I can listen to _Big Science_ over and over again and it never stops improving. 3. Gotta have some Floyd in there. "Dogs" is one of the greatest songs ever written, and this is the album that holds the "Most plays in a limited amount of time" record in my collection--at least 70 times in the three weeks before the end of Thanksgiving Break and the end of finals week, 1989. This album has stamina. 4. Another neccessity: Marillion. I had a tough time choosing between _Misplaced Childhood_ and _Clutching at Straws_ but it seems that this is how it should be. 5. A tough decision. My music collection is dominated by male artists (roughly 5:1) yet I've spent most of my time listening to female singers for the past year or so. This is another of those albums I can put on infinite-repeat and enjoy each time "All That You Have Is Your Soul" fades out and "Crossroads" fades back in. 6. One of the greatest albums of all time. Nothing more needs be said. 7. I love the sort of mid-period Dire Straits (_Making Movies_ and _Love Over Gold_) and this album not only compiles the best of both of these albums but does so with Knopfler at his live, scorching best. The 10+ minute version of "Sultans of Swing" is guaranteed to put anyone in a good mood. 8. I was torn between this album and _Songs From the Wood_, though I knew I needed some Tull in my Desert Island collection. I'd actually be just as happy with either album. 9. Yes, I think _The Dreaming_ is a better album than _NFE_ but I simply could not live without "Army Dreamers." 10. When I get truly depressed, this is the album I play. Morrissey's whinging and moaning can always bring me back up. ------------------- More comments: a) Yeah, I know, there really should be some Happy Rhodes in here. I still haven't figured out which of her first four albums I'd include, though I think at this point it's a toss-up between _Rearmament_ and _Ecto_ with the former having a slight edge. I'd probably replace _Alchemy_ or Louder Than Bombs_, though I'm not sure which. Are you sure I can't take *11* discs with me? b) I wish there were some way I could cram in Jane Siberry's "Map of the World, Part I" -- the song that could soothe me to sleep each night after a long, hard day out in the desert island sun. And please? Where could I fit "Under the Ivy?" I'm sure there's room on one one of the CDs, isn't there? c) Someone threw _The B-52's_ into their list. I considered putting that album on my list, but decided it's too much of a party album. I don't enjoy it nearly as much when I'm listening alone. Ah well. Guess that's enough said for now... Jeff ======================================================================== Subject: Cyndi and Ally Date: Thu, 08 Jul 93 15:25:30 -0700 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com palindromeman writes: > >Did anybody see Cyndi Lauper on Leno last night? Pretty hilarious, ay? >(she admitted to sleeping with her husband before they got married >and Jay stormed off the set) She's *still* *so* unusual... Yeah, that was pretty funny, especially when Ally Sheedy took over the desk and asked her, "So, how *was* it?" :) >and is Ally Sheedy the most hyper-nervous person you've ever seen on >a talk show? Almost; that honor would have to go to Jennifer Tilly (Meg's sis). If you haven't seen her, there's just no describing her... John Zimmer johnz@eaglet.rain.com ======================================================================== From: Mike Matthews Subject: DIDs: a different perspective Date: Thu, 8 Jul 1993 19:10:56 -36803936 (EDT) Y'know, I've been thinking about this hypothetical situation about which CDs I would take with me if I were stuck on a desert island. I'm going on the assumption that this wasn't a planned hermetical "vacation." With that in mind, I'm *sure* I would have forgotten my CD player too, so these CDs will have to have some redeeming quality other than musical enjoyment. 1) The Doors Soundtrack. I thought I liked some of their music, but I really don't after listening to this. Well, maybe one or two songs if I'm in the right mood... It'd make great book markers if you break the CD up into a few pieces. 2) Charlie Daniels Band - Listen Up (hey, it was $5 and I liked one song on it). If any CD is screaming "frisbee!" this is it. This of course depends on whether or not the indigenous life forms on this island can be taught to play fetch. Or not. 3-8) Golden Oldies CDs 1-5. It was a phase I was in, I guess -- was looking for a few specific songs and took a shot in the dark. Missed, too. I was hoping they would have filtered out most of the static too. 9) Equipoise, just because I really really like the cover art. And just in case I find a CD player on the island too, possibly forgotten by the last bloke who got stuck there. 10) Hiroshima - Third Generation. I liked one of their songs on the Star Trek V soundtrack, but it wasn't anything like this CD. Would probably make a pretty sun clock. Now, if I were to pick CDs based on which ones I *liked* ... 1) Equipoise 2) U2, Acthung Baby 3) Bel Canto, Birds of Passage 4) Peter Gabriel, So [which I like just a || little more than Us] 5) B-52's, Good Stuff 6) Credence Clearwater Revival, Chronicle 7) Concrete Blonde, Walking in London 8) The Cure, Distintegration 9) Depeche Mode, Songs of Faith and Devotion 10) Sarah McLaughlan, Solace Concrete Blonde could easily be replaced with Sting's Soul Cages. Of course, this list subject to change without notice. (Especially because Zooropa so far sounds much better on the second listen.. it's also much much louder this time.) ------ Mike Matthews, matthewm@sgate.com (NeXTmail accepted) ------ Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform. -- Mark Twain ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 8 Jul 93 19:20:50 PDT From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: babble >>>BTW, when in D.C. I listened to WHFS (at Jeff's recommendation). >>>Sunday A.M. they had an acoustic show and played Heidi Berry >>>which I *loved* (and will seek her album more eagerly now). >>>This was a cool station... too bad XRT is a close as Chicago comes >>>to it (U2, U2, U2... Ugh!). I wouldn't get too worked up about 'HFS. It's good on a first listen but wears pretty quickly as the playlist syndrome hits you. It sounds about the same as your generic "alternative/progressive" station, and I can't believe it wasn't in U2 overdrive when you were there. Maybe their disc got lost in the mail. And besides, isn't Chicago a place where one of those great radio shows that we tantalizingly see the playlist for are broadcast from? >>>If your local node on the art-house circuit runs the winning commercials from >>>the 1992 Cannes film festival, invest the $7. They've got some truly hilarious >>>ones. The grand prize winner depicts nuns using the sponsor's brand of rubber >>>cement to reattach the penis on a statue of a cherub--upside down initially, >>>until one of the nuns notices and rights it. Many of the others are nearly as >>>good. I saw this awhile ago and remember that comercial a bit differently. Seemed to me that they glued on the penis correctly, and then one nun, with a glimmer in her eye and a barely surprised laugh, snuck back and turned it upside-down, making it look more like an erection. Or maybe that was just how I wanted it to be, in my own sick and twisted world. Why would I feel compelled to admit that my first album purchase was something by Captain and Tenille. I remember that day when my sister and I pooled our money to get it. Boy did we like Muskrat Love. I hope it didn't cause any permanent brain damage. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 8 Jul 93 22:28:37 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Stupid kid in Jurassic Park Heya Craig, CR >>> Craig Rodrigues |"It's a Unix system....hey I know this!!!", CR >>> Chemical Engineering, 1996| stupid kid in _Jurassic Park_ VM >> ^^^^^^ VM >> A 12(?)-year old who's a Unix wizard? She's stupid? Why? I thought she VM >> was great! CR > A Unix hacker who moves around a few boxes on a screen and cracks the CR > computer system and saves the day?! Yeah, right! Yeah, but whose fault is that? The character's? I don't thiiiink so... (Try...dunno...the scriptwriter, the set decorator, the tech people, Speilberg, whoever, call *them* stupid for that particular plot point ...whatever, the *character* didn't have anything to do with it.) > Those two kids in Jurassic Park were snivelling little twits and deserved > to be dino-snacks. :-) as kids, aren't/don't we all sometimes? Actually, I don't remember the "snivelling twits" parts. Then again, I've only seen the movie once, and I read the book after seeing the movie (and the kids in the book are different than the kids in the movie) so you might have to refresh my memory. I *do* remember that I thought it was pretty cool that for once an adolescent girl turns out to be intelligent and the heroine. That's pretty rare, especially in Spielberg's movies. It's only a movie, and the dinos take center stage at that, but for the millions of adolescents who are going to see the film over and over again, it's a nice little subliminal message. Only a miniscule fraction of those kids in the audience are going to be aware that it's not *really* Unix she's working with. They *will* be aware, whether they think about it consciously or not, that the girl is a computer whiz and that she saves the day. That's good enough for me. That, and the amazing dinosaurs. Getting off my high-horse :-), I remain, Vickie (most of the time) "I never want to have to be like the boys, to be allowed to play with the toys..." HTR ======================================================================== Subject: Zooropa-better by design Date: Thu, 08 Jul 93 23:06:21 EDT From: Angelos Kyrlidis Mike Matthews writes: >(Especially because Zooropa so far sounds much better on the second listen.. >it's also much much louder this time.) So true! It's an *AMAZING* album. The first time I listened to it, I only liked 'Numb', (which I think I like because the monotone reminds me of some Eno songs I like), but as I listen to it again (the tape's been in my walkman all day) I like it all. There isn't a track that I would want to skip (like 'Real thing' and 'arms around the world' on Achtung Baby). And the production twists in songs like 'Dirty day' or 'Daddy's gonna pay...' are brilliant. I also like Eno's BVs in 'Lemon'. A true mainstream alternative masterpiece. :-) Angelos 'Don't project, don't connect, protect. Don't expect, suggest'-U2 PS. Just read in the Phoenix that Tribe's 'Sleeper' out next Tuesday is great. Also the Story have a CD release party next Wednesday at the Paradise (for all you Story fans), and the Phoenix is planning a story on the Story in the next issue. It's totally ironic how I cannot make it to that concert. GRRRR... Or either of the two Tribe concerts... :( ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)