Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #307 ecto, Number 307 Wednesday, 29 July 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* He who has me for a lawyer has a fool for a self, and all that :-) coffee, computers and corruption Today's Your Birthday Friends... Re: A "visit" over the airwaves and other stories sarah mclachlan live happy birthday sleep wasn't made for insomniacs no subject (file transmission) Fluff (tm) ======================================================================== Date: 28 July 1992 14:23:30 CDT From: Subject: He who has me for a lawyer has a fool for a self, and all that :-) Jeff writes: >First she'd have to prove that she's not a lesbian. Then she'd have >to prove that being "accused" of being a lesbian hurt her career (this >would be nigh impossible, as, as with kd lang and a few others, a very >large chunk of her audience want her to be a lesbian, not a raging >fundie homophobe). And she might have to convince a court that being >a homosexual is a Bad Thing [tm], not just to her religion, but in >general in american society. I don't know that any of this would happen. Based on what I learned during my years in tort research, to prove libel or slander it is necessary to establish that a statement was 1) false; 2) defama- tory--i.e., injurious to reputation; and 3) published negligently (without adeq uate effort to determine truth or falsity) if the plaintiff is a private figure , or maliciously (despite knowledge of its falsity or a substantial likelihood thereof) if a public figure. However, there are apparently certain kinds of published assertions which constitute per se, as distinct from per quod, libel. One of these is the assertion that the plaintiff is "unchaste," whatever meanin g is attached to that term. Per se libelous statements are actionable without the need to prove actual harm. Whether the assertion of lesbianism would con- stitute an assertion of unchastity is problematic. There are also several varieties of invasion of privacy, which do not require that a statement at issue be proven false. One of these is commonly referred to as "portrayal in a false light;" damage to peace of mind, as well as to reputation, is recoverable under this legal theory. Another is the "public disclosure of private facts," under which the publication of accurate state- ments, as compared with false ones, may be actionable. IMHO WIVH, it would be unnecessary to prove the actual "badness" of lesbianism in society; only that the dissemination of the assertion, be it true or untrue, provoked, or could provoke, bad reactions on the part of others, with bad con- sequences for the indivdual. By way of covering my ass: the above should not be construed as legal advice; consult your lawyer before suing anybody (as opposed to merely flaming them in these pages). Mitch Pravatiner (former research assistant, punitive damages project, American Bar Foundation; current lay connoiseur of the lighter side of the doctrine of _nullius filii litigium_) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 18:11:05 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: coffee, computers and corruption Greetings, I'm very busy these days. I had to update the operating system of our local UNIX server and to reconfigure the hard disks which took me one week. The BOS came on five 1/4" tapes and the install procedure was very time spending. And, of course, it didn't proceed without one of these unavoidable I-hate-when-that-happens-things: It was on last Wednesday. My alarm-clock kicked me out of my bed at eight. The eyes half open I went into the kitchen to prepare the coffee percolator and then went under the shower to wash away the drowsiness. On the way back from the bath room I heard a rustle coming out of the kitchen. The percolator had done its work well, but I forgot to place the coffee-pot under the filter and the coffee was dispersed all over the cupboard and the floor. 8-| Some sayings rushed through my mind, like 'the early bird catches the worm' (Morgenstund' hat Gold im Mund) or 'coffee in the morning hour banishes worries and sorrows' (Kaffee am Morgen vertreibt Kummer und Sorgen). Haha, not banishes, *causes*! In the afternoon, after the successful update procedure, I tried to restore the old program and user data from tape. The procedure failed of course, (an obvious error in the System Management Interface Tool) and overwrote some of the just new installed devices, so that the server didn't reboot. Two days of work for nothing. I had to repeat the complete installation. |-{ (But reading the ecto digests while the tape was running was a great relief) :) In the evening I went to the open-air cinema to see The Commitments. To my surprise it didn't start raining and the film teared *not* in pieces, as I expected. Claudia says: >or around an university). I think it reduces Katharina's success with >the German "Otto Normalverbraucher" that she does not look like your >average female sex symbol (in contrast to e.g. popular singer "Sandra" (wife >Michael Cretu, some may have heard of him)), but that's fairly >independent of her sexual orientation. But she looks like the women in our local lesbian scene: not, what I would call a beauty, a short haircut, wearing a leisure suit. No no, to avoid any misunderstanding: I don't have any prejudices, but the fact is that they all (or only these few) look that uniform, here. >Chancellor Kohl is known (not by everybody, but by many people) to have an >affair for ages with his secretary, younger than his wife but not much, >and nobody cares. The press simply doesn't talk about it. His business. What??? Our Helmut? With his secretary???? Wuaahaaaahaaa!!! I didn't know that! Time for another Kohl joke. :) >Our press talks about sex affairs of foreign politicians and musicians, I >guess they just copy the international press. What about the 'outing stories' by Rosa von Praunheim? Nearly every V.I.P. was suspected to be homosexual: Alfred Biolek, Hape Kerkeling, Guenther Jauch, Fritz Egner, etc. etc. And the murder of Walter Sedlmayr, that brought to light that he had a close connection to the Bavarian homosexual scene? What about the amount of Boris Becker and Steffi Graf stories about their love affairs? Not to forget the Barschel- affair or that Hella von Sinnen wants to marry the daughter of Walter Scheel.... No week without one of those headlines in our boulevard press. Claudia, you should read more of our gossip magazines to be informed. ;) Happy Birthday Woj, John, Bob, and Mark. Dirk ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 21:27:13 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Today's Your Birthday Friends... HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY BIRTHDAY!!! Woj, John & Bob! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Jul 92 22:12:42 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: A "visit" over the airwaves and other stories Mitch asks what songs by Happy could be used for the Olympics and I couldn't resist thinking up a few. The Opening Ceremonies Feed the Fire (of course!) Lay Me Down Greco-Roman Wrestling (sp?) Warpaint Archery Would That I Could Kim Zmeskal's theme song Off From out From Under Me Wrestling (again) I Won't Break Down Decathelon or Heptathalon To Be E. Mortal Pablo Morales' theme song Look For the Child Anita Hall's theme song I Cannot Go On General "no pain no gain" segment Perfect Irony Shannon Miller's theme song For We Believe General "don't give up" segment Crystal Orbs Rythmic Gymnastics Be Careful What You Say Clive Barkley's theme song Because I Learn Dream Team's theme Under and Over the Brink Diving Noone Here Table Tennis Asylum Master Bela Karolyi's theme song Beat it Out Boxing The Chase Marathon running Take Me With You Any team relay race To the Funnyfarm Bob Costa's theme song One Alien (misnamed) Synchronized Swimming INAINA Equestrian events Closing Ceremonies Dreams Are Well, by the end of the Olympics, I should have a lot more. This is a bit America-centric, sorry. Blame that on the network coverage, which hardly focuses at all on non-USA competetors. Folks outside the US should do a list like this, it would be interesting! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: 28-JUL-1992 22:13:31.37 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: sarah mclachlan live last friday i had a surprising and fantastic evening. i had tickets to see sarah live at the variety theatre, so i headed there straight from work (general admission...had to get the best seat!). so after learning that some jerk had stolen one of my hubcaps (haven't even gotten my license plate yet!), i made it to little five points, the more progressive area of atlanta. as i was walking around (i got there 2 1/2 hrs. early), i picked up a flyer advertising a showing of a diamanda galas concert-film (anyone know what it was called?). unfortunately, i'll have to miss it, since it'll be while i'm at katemas (at greg's...come, come, come!). so i finally got in line, being about the 10th person in it (i read my book and others had arrived). as i'm standing in line, i start speaking the the person behind me, who also arrived alone. he mentions that he's got a ticket for tori next month...cool. then he says: 'you knor? kate bush." well, immediatyely my kate-hormones start kicking in, and we continue talking. then he says "you know, i'm on this computer network...". sure enough, it turns out that he's a lurker on gaffa, and has been searching for happy in all the record stores to no avail! so as soon as i return, i'm going to introduce him to happy, and he's going to introduce me to rennaisance. yay! just goes to show that one never knows who one will meet, and that we really are all over the place (we're here, we're ecto, we're in your face!) just imagine what'll happen when i wear my ecto t-shirt to the tori concert! so the two of us watched the concert together. i was somewhat disappointed in it...for the most part, she doesn't veer from the recorded versions, and it took her a long time to get into the concert. also, they had to turn off the air conditioner, since it was draining power from the band. so it was hot as hell. she had a drummer, a bassist, a pianist, a keyboardist and herself...she played guitar on most songs. Here's the playlist: Drawn to the Rhythm Back Door Man Home Lost Shelter where (a new song!) In the Shadows I will Not Forget You Path of Thorns (Terms) Black Into the Fire Steaming (encore # 1) Mercy (everyone was yelling for Vox--she told us to have patience, that good things come to those who wait) Vox (it was good) (encore # 2) Ben's Song She used all the same introductions as in the Boston concert, and mixed other stuff into ItF...anyone recall if she mixed staying alive into it before? she seemed really surprised at it. anyhow, i think i was disappointed by knowing the introductions already, and from a concert from so long ago. i guess i was expecting something new and different. and i already knew the punchlines...but it was nevertheless a good concert. no cover versions, although there was the new song, which was also disappointing. i didn't believe it that she was so much under the grip of the record company before, when vickie tried to give her the happy tape, but now i believe it. the new song sounds more commercial and less interesting. not to mention that there were a shitload of people from the company there. warning: they were passing out free promo tapes called 'sarah by the sea', which apparently contain a short interview with her. i say apparently, because they were hadning them out at the door about 30 min. after they opened, and by the time i lerarned about it (having entered when they openned), they had run out. so if anyone has the chance to get an extra copy, or would want to take the time to dub it for me, i'd greatly appreciate it. after the concert i tried to get to meet her, but she must have run out of the theatre and from the heat. you know what they say...if you can't take the heat, get out of the theatre. btw, her voice isn't done justice on the album or the radio concert. see her live just for that. she makes it seem so damned easy...sigh. so now it's off to boston (i'm leaving on thursday) for katemas, and off to say hello to lowell house. btw, for those of you unfamiliar with it, it's more incredible than you can imagine...perfect place for katemas. and it's not as far from harvard square as greg makes it seem...it's a five minute walk at most from there, and there's lots to do just around it. so there's no reason why you shouldn't be going. and the kt rhodes band should be...um...interesting. i'm curious about the playlist, though. i guess box h.a.p. isn't on it, eh? ,l ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valerie Nozick "shit, it's hot here!" vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu --Sarah McLachlan (while in Atlanta) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ======================================================================== Date: 28-JUL-1992 23:26:20.20 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: happy birthday A BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO woj! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Valerie Nozick "shit, it's hot here!" vnozick@eagle.wesleyan.edu --Sarah McLachlan (while in Atlanta) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 03:52:25 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: sleep wasn't made for insomniacs Vickie Mapes sez: >[...] to go see the Psychowelders at the Beat Kitchen Saturday night. jealous! tell rhondda i said hi (btw, she knows me as rob...). >they're the opening band for a group called The Slugs....!....) the slugs. yeah...they're not too bad - kinda schlocky punk, but with a good ol'rock and roll attitude as well. reminds me of a band called doug and the slugs who had a wonderful song called "gerbil on the wheel of love". >Woj! Thanks for the wonderful post about Psychowelders! If you get a chance, >perhaps you could post something in misc, rdt, cd and anywhere else you already mentioned them in a few lists. i'm also planning on mentioning them in dewdrops (a fanzine that a friend of mine puts out - it's pri- marily aimed at the 4ad audience, but we all meander in and out of that restriction periodically). >and with your recommendation (I know people really *trust* you!) misplaced trust? nah...would i lead anyone down the primrose path to hell? >Neile, yes, I did get the Dalbello cassette last week. vickie, neile, anyone: care to fill me in on this person? i have not heard of her and feel that i should. [re Heidi Berry] >The music, which I shouldn't try to describe since >I've only listened to it once, is very Julia Fordham-ish. Not torchy, but >in the same species. Not ethereal at all, but very soothing. i think i've mentioned this before, but she reminds me of nick drake in many ways: the texture of the songs, the style and so forth. the kind of stuff that you'd curl up to listen to on a mild autumn night. in fact, the first time i heard heidi berry was like that. i was reading in bed and someone played something from _love_ on the radio. it was terribly nice, so i called and inquired. "soothing" is an excellent word for it. i'm hoping that the 4ad/warner brothers deal will result in _love_ being released domestically as i'm not about to spend that much on that cd either. >It's about 5 songs into the Tiny Lights album and I *really* like it too! yeah. i've only heard the albums, but i like them a lot. i have a tape of a radio performance they did around here a few years ago which gets into the tape deck occasionally (no happy messages on my show tho! :) kinda garagey, but very fuzzy pseudo-60s pop with cellos. not much i can compare them to really. get _halcyon daze_ if you can find it, but the others are certainly worth it too if you can find them in a used shop or a cutout bin. MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu sez: >Yes, but do your plants hiss at you when you try to water them? no. they burp. thanks to all for the birthday wishes. i had a pleasant, but uneventful, birthday. work went well and was followed by two hours of two-on-two grass volleyball (not quite wimbeldon, but something like it). spent the rest of the evening either listening to the sheila chandra cds that i borrowed from greg or talking to friends who called to wish me a good day. afterwards, i treated myself to a double scoop friendly's ice cream cone - that was my birthday cake (i always was the one who asked for ice cream cakes or ignored the cake at parties in favor of the ice cream anyways). the sheila chandra stuff is interesting. it's primarily the brain child of a guy named steve coe, who i think is english. the first album, _out on my own_, is mostly synthpop with an indian rhythm in the background. nothing terribly exciting, but interesting nonetheless. the second is called _quiet_ and is ten meditative pieces of ambience. *very* nice. the third is called _the struggle_ and returns to the synthpop sound, except that there is a stronger rhythmic feel and it's less, um, cheesy. the more interesting disc that i borrowed however was _compilasian_. released in 1990, this compilation collected a number of bands in the "indipop" genre, fusing indian instrumentation and rhythm to whatever else they could get their hands on. bands like the suns of arqa, ganges orchestra and the new pardhesi dance machine are the norm: dance music mostly, but excellent - light-years (and years) ahead of the technodance drivel we get now. highly recommended. well, i should go to bed, shouldn't i? g'nite... woj ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: no subject (file transmission) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 18:42:38 WST Doug writes: >(Sigh! So much of the world turns through a new day before it gets here, that >I always seem to be the last to get these greetings out. Anyway ...) You think you've got it bad... usually, I leave off these things until I'm posting to Ecto on something else, which often turns out to be a week or more later... By the time I get around to it, I'm a week or more behind... so it seems a little silly to wish people Happy Birthdays.. Still, in partial atonement, I hereby proffer my best wishes to those who've had birthdays in the past couple of weeks... May the ageing be worth it. But then, I'm late for practically everything. My ex-girlfriend's parents used to call me the *late* Martin Dougiamas, and a group of friends have taken to calling me Mr Boat. (say it aloud :) Hell, I'll be late for my OWN birthday....don't you worry about that. I've been listening more and more lately to my Martha's Vineyard CD. (That's the name of the band).. and liking it more and more. They're a local (Perth) band, but has anyone else heard of them? The self-titled album is from 1989. BTW, although I don't have much to say on the topic, I'm following the womyn's music thread with interest... Some interesting thoughts and reactions... May the camels of your friends be unusually polite, Martin -- ,-----------------------------------------------------------------------------. | Free and easy, that should be her name Martin Dougiamas | | She took my lovin' for a nursery game martin@cs.curtin.edu.au | | The heart she gave me wasn't strong or made of stone Curtin University | | It was sweet and hollow, like a honeycomb. Perth, Western Australia | `=== Love Like a Rock (in Stormy Sea) - Rory McLeod ==========================' ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Jul 92 10:10:40 MDT From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Fluff (tm) Greetings, A blue fuzzy warm Happy HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Mark Carroll, who has recently moved out a house that will always figure in Ectophile history, especially mine. Enjoy your own special day, Mark! Do something special/crazy/whatever! Doug Burks _O_ dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)