Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #286 ecto, Number 286 Wednesday, 8 July 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Tori misc. Sarah McLachlan Re: Say what? How I spent my vacation from ecto Happy Birthdays Sophie B. Hawkins ectolucia Re: To be E.Mortal All About Eve ======================================================================== Subject: Tori Date: Tue, 07 Jul 92 23:45:30 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >Which reminds me, I was >listening to the local Christian radio station here yesterday and I heard this >song I immediately fell in love with, piano-vocal with quiet "orchestration" >in the background... I was amazed to hear the DJ say it was Tori Amos.. I can't imagine Tori being played on a *Christian* radio station! I can't help but evilly chuckle at the thought of a Good Little Christian [tm] going out to buy the album based on the song they heard on the radio and be greeted by such gems as "So you can make me cum--that doesn't make you Jesus..." or "...those demi-gods with their nine inch nails and little fascist panties tucked inside the [face?] of every nice girl" (I loaned my CD to my sister-in-law) The only song I can really imagine being played might be "Winter" or possibly "China". The first two singles seem unlikely ("Crucify" for obvious reasons and "SATY" for the anti-christ reference) >It sounded nothing like the bits of Tori I heard from Martin's CD, but I >suppose I'll have to steal it as well !!! What precisely did you hear? I don't think any of the songs on the album show a terribly wide deviation from Tori's particular style. Somehow I'm reminded of driving around with a friend of mine; I was playing _LE_ and he starts complaining about "these bloody folksingers." "Thomas, what _folksingers_ are you referring to?" "Oh, like the one we're listening to right now." "YOU THINK THIS IS FOLK?" Thomas never did have much taste. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 00:07:40 EDT From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu Subject: misc. tori on a christian station!?!? amazing. I really like All About Eve - I'm most familiar with "touched by jesus", not because i heard it first, but just becuase i've listened to it the most. I re-listened to both "all about eve" and "scarlet and other stories" tonight and I definitely like both of them a lot - I think more of the songs on "touched by jesus" are good for singing to, and that is probably why I listen to it most :) But almost all of the songs on both of the first two albums are really nice. Julianne Regan has a very interesting and very nice (i tihnk :) voice. I think the songs on the first two albums tend to be quieter, a bit more mellow sounding, though no less intense lyrically for the most part, that the latest. The lyrics are all really good.. About sarah - I *loved* Touch the first time i heard it and to this day it's an album i listen to a lot. Before Solace came out, I knew almost *nothing* about sarah, and i had no idea if i woudl ever hear anything from her again, and i treasured "touch" like a very very rare jewel. I would listen to it lying in the dark on the floor at night, or loud in the car :) (still do). Solace came out in canada first, of course. And joe just *happened* to have a business trip to canada, lucky me!! When he got home, he put the TV on, so I sat at the table and read the lyrics, and I actually cried, just sitting there reading the lyrics. most of the lyrics are awfully close to my heart. Evnetually I got to listen to the CD, and while it is certainly very different from "touch", i love every minute of it. drawn to the rhythm, into the fire, terms of endearment (the path of thorns), back door man, black, home. those are probably my favorites from it but i love every song. As angelos mentioned, seeing her in concert was fabulous. :) Happy songs people don't like - mostly my lists of songs i'd skip over most of the time are similar, but, hey, I really like Box H.A.P. :) Am I the only one? Ack, i've got to stop typing. more later. (it's too bad the graphics lab isn't open :P. Why it's not on the same schedule as most computer-oriented people, I can not understand. :) jessica ======================================================================== Date: 08 Jul 92 00:03:24 EDT From: Bob Brown <74756.1557@compuserve.com> Subject: Vickie mentioned that I should send the most recent WXPN interview to Doug ASAP. I will as soon as I get back home to dub it. It has been a very crazy couple of weeks since Happy was here and I just haven't had a chance. And to top it off, my family and I left Penna. on Friday afternoon to visit her folks in eastern shore MD. for a week and at 2 AM my wife Gail ended up at the emergency room at the local hospital with intense stomach pains. She's been there since...their trying to stabilize her system...and then they are going to remove her gall bladder. Great way to start a vacation. Soooo....I promise to get the copy to Doug ASAP. Sorry gang. Bob Brown 74756,1557@compuserve.com ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Sarah McLachlan Date: Wed, 08 Jul 92 00:27:49 EDT Newsflash: Iron Horse August 23rd 7pm $8.50, from Bob Krovetz in rec.music.gaffa. I will of course miss it, since I will be on a plane taking me from Athens to Frankfurt at the time... :( First I miss KaTemas, and now this plus all the U2 shows, AND Tribe... Angelos (hoping for some good concerts in Athens to compensate) 'It's only common sense, there are no accidents around here' ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 1:58:31 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: Hi Bob, I'm *SO* sorry to hear about your wife. :-( :-( :-( I hope it won't take long before she's feeling better. Please pass along Ectophile best wishes. Actually, I would like for you to send the WXPN interview to me, so I can put together an interview tape, consisting of it, the Echoes show, and some of mine. I can easily put it together and then send Doug just one tape with the 3 interviews. The more simple we make Doug's life, the better, since he's doing an awful lot of dubbing. It would be so much easier on him if he only had to worry about one tape with everything instead of 3 different tapes. Anyway, please (when you can, I hate to pressure you) send the tape to me. Thanks! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 2:15:03 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Say what? Tori on a Christian station? Wow! I'm amazed, first because most Christian stations I've ever heard play pure crap. A truly alternative Christian station would play things like The Innocence Mission, Sam Phillips, Twila Paris, Bruce Cockburn, etc. and it sounds like the one you heard is a truly alternative Christian station. Wow! Still, Tori? Sounds like the DJ was having some fun with the format :-) He should play some Diamanda Galas.... Maybe I could send him a dub of my "Gospel in My Gaffa" show I really, really like All About Eve too. Not every song, but lots and lots of them. I haven't heard the new one :-( No one mentioned that All About Eve was played on the Happy Gift Project tape. Stephen Thomas chose the group. Was it the song "Scarlet..."? I don't have the list handy. Vickie _Where God Went Wrong_ _Some More of God's Greatest Mistakes_ _Who Is This God Person Anyway?_ Brilliant trilogy by Oolon Coluphid "So you can make me cum-that doesn't make you Jesus" Tori Amos ======================================================================== Date: 7 July 1992 15:18:55 CDT From: Subject: How I spent my vacation from ecto Having taken much of Wednesday afternoon off to help greet Steve V. at the airport (where delays in the flight arrival made it impractical to hang with him and Chris and Kiri longer than I did :-(' --perhaps I'll be able to see the concert snaps one of these fine days), and then been away from the net for a couple days before and after the long weekend, today's the first chance I've had to catch up on ecto in almost a week--nothing compared to Claudia's backlog, but a longish time by my standards. Herein, at least some comments on life in and out of ecto the last six days. I had the misfortune of falling asleep on Jay Leno Wednesday (Indigo Girls), Thursday (Cowboy Junkies) and Friday (Melissa Etheridge) in succession, though I did wake up in time to catch ME's last song. Anyone see any of these bits of business? How were they? The obvious lesson in all this, of course, is that the Tonight show has hereby shown itself to be a plausible show for Happy to appear on one of these fine days. As if in a small bit of compensation, I was wide awake for Friday Night Videos, most importantly for when they did Tori Amos' splendid video for "Crucify." I actually think it's better than "Silent All These Years." The song sounds familiar. Who did it first? I saw _Highway 61_ over the weekend, and recommend it. Next door at Pravda records, they had flyers for the Arson Garden concert, saying it's on the 11th. Vickie and Kiri should probably double-check whether this is the same day they think it is. I think it's Saturday rather than Friday. _Mirabile Dictu_, I was able to get _Echoes_ down on tape, though it sounds like Mike's copy might be better, and so the one of choice to send to Doug. The lack of sleep reduced my ability to do much the next day, but what the hell? :-) I forget what show it was (probably something on PBS), but sometime or other I saw a bit on the making of ham/beef/barbecue sandwiches on white bread at Arthu r Bryant's in Kansas City (I was reminded of this by Vickie's mention of KC). (I just recalled it was a clip from McNeil-Lehrer, used as filler on PBS, prob- ably after the classic Marx Brothers movie that I slept through most of.) They might or might not be able to clean up selling this concoction at the Texas- Arkansas big game, it combining the products of the longhorn and the razorback. If you were a football fan, would you buy something called an "ecumenical sandwich?" I may or may not ever understand the art of selling to football (not footahball) fans. :-) I did, believe it or not, manage to finish two of the umpteen books I'd been renewing at the public library until I got the chance to read them. After returning them, I was pleased to find _Gossamer Axe_ and a couple of Mike Weaver's books available to put in my backlog. (Which reminds me: soc.motss, which Meredith queried about, is a gay-oriented newsgroup. I bought another Baudino book over the weekend which states that GB lives in Denver with her lover, who may have been mentioned by name and so be revealed as female, which would explain why she'd be of special interest to said newsgroup. Which fur- ther reminds me: I should read inlay cards more carefully. Vickie gave me her exegesis of S.B. Hawkins' song some time ago, but I never picked up on it prior to that.) I say to Chris Sampson's comments on my collected works the same as my mother sometimes says to my reactions to her occasional cooking experiments: glad you like it. (The same goes for Vickie's passing comment, even though she's been saying this about my postings for a long time.) The epigram from NPR of which he spoke was merely an expression of my sense of the absurd, not an expression of my own _Weltanschauung_, lest there be any ambiguity about that. The closest I can see happening to the royal succession scenario that Vickie spoke of is if Charles becomes king at a fairly old age, and serves a compara- tively short time before William gets it. Something like that happened with the transitions from Victoria to Edward VII to George V. Twenty years ago, I went to a pop-psychology lecture where the psychobabble of the hour included "warm fuzzies" and "cold pricklies." I went away thinking WF would be a great trade name for a self-heating pipe cleaner, if anyone actu- ally invented one. Might this have been the earliest seeds of my idea for Warm Fuzzy Blue Vickie Electrically Heated Thermal Teddies etc., a joint ventur e of Ecto Industries and Victoria's Secret? In re Vickie's cat's liking for rubbing against Steve's wheel: one of the resident company outside of my place has taken to rubbing against the back door. Maybe Vickie's is trying to add Steve to its territory. BTW: the problematically pregnant one showed up again over the weekend, more pregnant than before, but has not showed up since. Whaddya know (not much, you?)--I think I'm actually caught up with ecto. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 08 Jul 92 08:29:38 +0100 From: Terry Partis Subject: Happy Birthdays Happy birthday greetings to Courtney Dallas and Michael Peskura on the 9th July. Much Fuzzy Blue Happiness. Terry ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 08 Jul 92 10:03:44 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Sophie B. Hawkins Hello, everybody The first issue of the brand-new magazine ROCK WORLD ('the best rock music from around the world') contains an article about Sophie B. Hawkins. BTW, ROCK WORLD is an Europe-wide magazine and it's available in German, English and French language. I was impressed by the amount of interesting articles and I'm on edge for the next issues. Here's a summary of the article: --------------------------------------------------------- The 25 years old Sophie Ballantine Hawkins grew up in Manhattan's Upper West Side. The daughter of a philosopher and an authoress had drum lessons at the Harlem Jazz School at the age of nine. 14 years old, she moved out of her parent's house to the Nigerian master-drummer Babatunde Olatunji. During the next five years she learned to play different traditional African and Brazilian instruments. Over and above that she was intensivly studying jazz music and listening to everything that sounded like Janis Joplin, David Bowie and the Stones. After that she had been engaged by a punk band from New York. "In the beginning, I had a great difficulty to find the right musicians. People are all specialized today and are not capable of anything else. In the sixties the musicians had a much greater inventiveness - maybe caused by the drugs or whatever. The today's musicians are terribly profit-seeking. It's very hard for me to find musicians, who are relaxed on the one hand and daring on the other hand, who are able to play simply and powerfully at the same time. The musicians of my current band are not from New York. I haven't found anyone there." In the song 'California here I come' she sings, that she is sick of the poverty in New York and that she's yearning for the 'golden arms of California'. After the racial riot in Los Angelos and San Francisco, the irony between the lines has turned into pure sarcasm. A rift has developed in the image of the heavenly conditions in California, mainly characterized by Hollywood. Millions of people all over the world realized that the 'american dream' is over. "On the one hand it's bitter, on the other hand it is in accordance with the real situation in the USA. I'm happy that it happened, because it's a description of the today's situation. It's a pity that things are not as beautiful and problem-free as in the films. But it's bad that the people still stick to the american dream. The best thing of all was, when I read in the London Times about the burning down of 'Frederic's' during the unrest, the shop where people like Cher and Madonna buy their underwear. I thought: that's in accordance with the time - the material world collapses. I'm happy that everything took place as a run-up to the elections. The government must realize that the fascistic measures for controlling the society are fruitless. Bush sits in the White House and believes that nothing will happen to him. These pals have never been scared to death like the people in the streets. But one day, I'm sure, they will." Back to the music: "The album is a provocation. It reperesents a reflection of myself. It's okay if the people love 'Damn I wish I was your lover' and if the other songs don't mean a thing to them. It would be better if they could accept that the album reflects my personality with all its different moods. I show them all of my sides and if they really love me they'll love each of my songs. My current band is a temporary solution. I try out many things and I do what comes to my mind. I want the musicians to surpass themselves. I challenge them to challenge me. I do these fights with Tyrone on stage because I want him to be more than a background singer. My greatest pleasure would be if I had someone on stage who is really tall and strong, who hurls me around and who I could climb on. A kind of tall protector. My current musicians are not able to give me the security I need." No wonder, because all of her male musicians do have the height of Prince and must look up to her. At the end of the set she gave the drummer and the guitarist a piggy-back and carried them down the stage. Since she was twelve one of her all-time-heroes was David Bowie, whose music made her writing own songs. "Bowie is an incredible artist and an incredible person. He is a very complicated character... I'm sure that I will write my best songs at the age of 60. I'm not afraid of the old age. I look forward looking older. Older people are more sexy. Much more sexy than young people." --------------------------------------------------------- I hope that my translation is not too bad. Unfortunately, I haven't heard any of her songs todate. Greetings Dirk ______ ______ | | Late one night a happy martian with nothing to do | | | D | made the perfect pleasure drug and he called it | K | |______| the CUBE |______| (Thomas Dolby) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 05:31:18 EDT From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: ectolucia Martin Dougiamas sez: >Ack! I *love* 'To be E.Mortal'!! i never really liked this song too much until a lazy, warm afternoon on my hotel balcony in spain about a month ago. i was in the middle of reading brian stableford's _empire of fear_ (an alternative historical fantasy where vampires rule europe in the 1700s) and had dozed off with _ecto_ in the headphones. when i came to, that song was on. being in a receptive state of sorts (combined with a case of vampires on the brain), it just whammied me. >I was so absorbed in following the patterns of the lyrics that the >song was over in almost no time. exact opposite for me - it went on forever. it felt like a case of "tunnel hearing" - where all the sound that you hear coalesces into one stream and all else is silent. i had to shake myself loose for it to stop. i suppose that this was a result of being in a slightly altered state of consciouness coutesy of the nap i had just had and the warm, fuzzy sunlight coming through the window. >I still haven't really got the hang of Box H.A.P., though. >Is there anyone there who DOES like it? no. >A new thread... what are people's favourite *sequence* of songs, as they >appear on the albums? side two of ecto, hands down. one thing about happy's early albums is that i find them inconsistant - there are a great many songs that are wonderful, but just as many do absolutely nothing for me. side two of ecto though is chock full of favorites. oh, btw, i'm back y'all. woj ======================================================================== Subject: Re: To be E.Mortal Date: Wed, 08 Jul 92 10:35:21 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Martin writes: [To Be E. Mortal] >Six mins or whatever it is Isn't it 8 minutes? >A new thread... what are people's favourite *sequence* of songs, as they >appear on the albums? Without question, it's the trio "Crystal Orbs," "Because I Learn," and "Baby Don't Go" from Rearmament. It doesn't get much better than that (perhaps the only trio that does is "Infant Kiss," "Night-Scented Stock," and "Army Dreamers" which is, I believe, my all time favorite sequence of songs by _anyone_). Jeff ======================================================================== Date: 08 Jul 92 10:46:22 EDT From: Subject: I take it back. The mystery song is "don't want to hear it". How dumb of me. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 16:09:51 BST From: Stephen Thomas Subject: All About Eve Hi folks. Vickie says: >I really, really like All About Eve too. Not every song, but lots and lots >of them. I haven't heard the new one :-( It's OK, IMHO, but I prefer the first two albums. >No one mentioned that All About Eve was played on the Happy Gift Project >tape. Stephen Thomas chose the group. Was it the song "Scarlet..."? I don't >have the list handy. It was "Scarlet", yes. It isn't actually my favourite track, but on hearing it I thought it the most appropriate. My two favourite tracks are actually to be found on B-Sides, these being "Gold And Silver" (the proper version, most certainly *not* the version to be found on SAOS!) and "The Garden of Jane Delawney", a truly haunting track. Actually, some of the B-Sides from the recent singles off the third album are pretty good - in fact, I think I've decided what is going on my HBP project... >Vickie Keep well, Stephen ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 8 Jul 92 11:26:13 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: How I spent my vacation from ecto Mitch gets caught up in ecto, and snaggled in Tori: > As if in a small bit of compensation, I was wide awake for Friday >Night Videos, most importantly for when they did Tori Amos' splendid >video for "Crucify." I actually think it's better than "Silent All >These Years." The song sounds familiar. Who did it first? no, i don't think the Who did it at all... well, the Who probably did it quite often, actually... ;) but as far as "crucify" is concerned (and i am not going to get dragged into a theological debate :), Ms. Amos wrote the song and is, i imagine, the only recorded performer of it... speaking of who did what, i accidently typed "HR" after a sig qu0te from Sarah McLachlan the other day... apologies for any confusion this might have caused :) Martin, i'm glad i look like you thought i would, i think ;) i am in total agreement with a couple of your other photo reactions :) :) and if Angelos looks quite greek, well, we all thought you looked rather australian, ourselves (even when we turned the photos right-side up ;) double footah with cheese and a small fries! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "come here" -- HR ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: Sophie B. Hawkins Date: Wed, 08 Jul 92 11:32:45 EDT Hi, Dirk, I can't thank you enough for posting the Rock World article on Sophie!!! It answered so many questions about her, and her music, that were up in the air til now! Important things, like what the B. stands for, and how old she is, and unimportant things, like that she grew up on Janis Joplin, and David Bowie, and the Stones! :) Wow! I *love* Janis Joplin too! I was in high school when a classmate of mine was obsessed by her. I learned that when I looked at her desk, and saw 4-10-71 (if I remember correctly, note in Greece the month goes second) JJ RIP, and asked her about her. She lent me the Greatest hits album, and I fell in love with her voice right away! I sort of recognized the influence in the raspiness and bluesiness of Sophie's voice, but couldn't make the connection til now!! There is something about artists whose influences are people you grew up with too, and who are about your age that makes them special. Until now Happy and Sarah were the only ones. (As much as I love Sinead's music, she appears to have grown up in musical isolation, as anyone could tell when she asked 'Oh, Elton doesn't write the lyrics?' in the two rooms ABC special). Now Sophie enters that special category too, for me. Thanks again!! Angelos ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)