Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #282 ecto, Number 282 Monday, 6 July 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* braindance Origin of warm fuzzies. The Last Champagne Jam (fwd) Re: I hate when that happens! Braindance yet again Re: Princess Diana Re: Iris De Ment some notes ecto archaeology #4 ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 4 Jul 92 01:48:43 EDT From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu Subject: braindance interesting! someone who works here with me is good friends with the members of braindance and mentions them to me occasionally (especially since i go to and have friends in boston), but i never have had a chance to hear their music! If you (angelos) or anyone is intersted in more info abotu them, I'm sure i can get some! maybe i'll ask amq for a tape.. jessica ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Origin of warm fuzzies. Date: Sat, 4 Jul 92 15:01:59 WST Hi, Martin here. Chris asked about the origin of warm fuzzies. As the originator of the term "warm blue fuzzy mailing list", I should probably answer this one. I've heard several versions of the story from which warm fuzzies come from, but they all had a common core. This story was often told at school camps when I was young, I can barely remember the story line, but the concepts behind seem to have stuck (as they were intended, I suppose)... Basically there was a land far, far away that was much like our own, except that the basic unit of trade was a Warm Fuzzy. Warm fuzzies were small warm fuzzy critters that made you feel good when you held them. All they needed was a lot of care and love to be given in return. It become a status symbol to have as many warm fuzzies as possible. Naturally, with all these warm fuzzies running around the populace was a happy and contented one. However, there was one wicked old witch who wasn't into all this warm fuzzy stuff... she decided to create some competition. And so she created a race of Cold Pricklies. They looked like Warm Fuzzies but didn't make you feel good when you held them. However, they were much easier to look after and bred like nothing you've ever seen. The witch started slipping cold pricklies over the shop counter when she bought things, instead of warm fuzzies. People sometimes didn't notice the difference first and kept them. Soon they found that although these 'new' warm fuzzies weren't as good as the usual ones, they bred like crazy, and soon one could have heaps and heaps of them to give away all the time. People suddenly became very rich. Although they weren't very happy any more, they couldn't stop because their neighbour would have more, and one had to keep up with the Joneses. Cold pricklies spread and spread. Inflation went through the roof. Anyway, pretty soon the whole country was miserable...even though everyone was technically rich. At this point my memory fails me, but I believe a little girl finds the last warm fuzzy (They've been dying out) and takes care of it...then the warm fuzzies become popular again, the cold pricklies are banished forever and the witch gets her comeuppance. Something like that. The "blue" in "warm blue fuzzy" was because of my perception of Happy's music as being coloured "blue". Well, it is. :) And silver. Back to the party, Marty -- ,---------------------------------------------------------------. _ . | So we chase the explosions Martin Dougiamas. | _r| Ll\ | From horizon to horizon, martin@cs.curtin.edu.au | | | \ | Wrap ourselves around the distance Curtin University | \ |_ / | For as long as we can hold. Perth, Western Australia -+-> x~ `-' `= Slow Pulse Boy - And Also The Trees =========================' V ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: The Last Champagne Jam (fwd) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 92 12:17:06 BST Recently in the annals of Ecto Michael Peskura wrote: > Thanx to Meredith and Doug I am now happily listening to radio from > Middletown, CT. Does this mean that Meredith's last Champagne Jam has now been officially added to Doug's list of available tapes? If so, please could you dig into my tape account, Doug, and send me a copy too. Thanks. -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Subject: Re: I hate when that happens! From: "Mark C. Carroll" Date: Sat, 04 Jul 92 14:44:15 -0400 ]Sarah's coming back to Chicago in August, so this time I'll be sure to ]record it and get a show ID. I'm amazed that she's touring again so soon. I just noticed yesterday... She's playing at the Theater of the Living Arts in Philadelphia on the 23rd. (I think... definitely that week, I'm not sure of the day.) If I can get in to Philly in time, I'll definitely be going. (That's a definite maybe, for any Philly area ectos who are also planning on going. I can't walk for a while, due to a badly sprained ankle, and I don't know if I'll be up to South Street that soon.) By the way, I recommend the TLA very highly to prospective concert-goers. It's a small place with reasonably good acoustics, and they tend to bring in a lot of very good, not-very-mainstream performers. It's probably my favorite concert site in the area. And right in the middle of South Street, one of my favorite places! ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 4 Jul 92 18:03:48 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: braindance I got the Braindance CD and I generally can't stand it. The lead singer has a *really* interesting voice but the music is too hard core and noisy for me. That's not to say that other people won't like it or that I won't change my mind about it if I ever take it out of my "to be listened to more when I run out of other really interesting things to listen to" pile and listen to it more. This is *not* another Tori-like mistake though. Really. I *am* very interested in the singer and would like to follow what she does in the future and hear other work she might have done in the past. A couple of bits in songs are just too cool for words, which makes me not want to dismiss the group (or at least, her) altogether. *Plus* I think that they might be the kind of group who might be really cool live and bring much more to their music in a live setting. If that sounds like I'm disclaiming all over the place, perhaps I am. I'm *very* wary now of trampling all over an artist/group that other people obviously might/do like, just because my own tastes differ. (Again, though, this is not a Tori-like case at all, though the situation might be very comperable to _Y Kant Tori Read_) If, at a later date, the Braindance CD really clicks somehow, I'd be the first to admit it. If, at some later date the band releases something I really do like, I'll be the first to say, "Yeah, there were things I could hear on the first CD that led me to think that I might like them better with different material" but for now, my thoughts are that Arson Garden (kiri and I are going to see them Friday!) and The Psychowelders (who have a new CD out, their first!) do this sort of thing much better. I got it as a promo, so I'm glad I didn't pay money for it... ...but I still really, really like Lizette's voice. Vickie ps, I don't have any info on the Psychowelders CD yet. I don't have a copy, though I should be getting one soon. My friend Kim was down in Kansas City for their CD release party and said it is very good, better than anything they've ever done before. I can't wait to hear it. (Ego boost alert: She told me that Chris and I get a thank you credit on the CD. Chris because he often has done psychedelic video wallpaper-call "Psychovideo"- for them and me because I'm the only person in the country playing their music on the radio outside the Kansas City area.) Chicago area 'philes...they are playing at The Beat Kitchen next month. I'm not sure of the date but I'll let you know. Chris might be doing Psychovideo for them if the space is big enough Another disclaimer: I'm not pushing The Psychowelders over Braindance just because they are friends of mine. I used to hate their music too. My tastes have changed a bit to let in more harder-edged music and their music and sound has gotten better and better in the last couple of years so that we finally meet and I'm big fans of theirs now. ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Braindance yet again Date: Sat, 04 Jul 92 19:07:19 EDT Hi, Well I can say that I have a better idea of what they sound like now that I have heard the whole CD 3-4 times. And without any disclaimers, I say that *I* like them! They are a perverse hybrid of Arson Garden, Siouxsie and the Banshees with a sometimes acoustic twist, and some really noisy guitarz. Favorite songs are 'Monsoon' (not to be confused with the band) 'Laces and leather, Old spice and Jontu, Opposite tempers, Nome and Honolu, Change in the weather, Come the Monsoon', 'Breed' (really aggressive) 'Protect or don't as you please, object is get down and breed', and some very interesting lyrics in 'Same woman' that go like 'Ladies! Bitches! Mothers! Whores! Earhart! Sappho! Curie! Keller! We are all the same under our skin' They should be awesome live, but that's just a guess... But the most pleasant rediscovery of mine was 'The hurting' by Tears for fears. I loved this in the early 80's, and hadn't listened to it in a while. This album is a classic. Sonically it evokes memories of PG's 'Security' in its use of rhythmic patterns, and lyrically it is the closest to Happy's angst ridden lyrics of Vol.I, and II that I can think of. Hmm I wonder if Happy likes this album. I think it is by far their best!! Happy 4th everyone, from a rainy Cambridge. Angelos 'Scratch the ice let the telephone ring, sense of time is a powerful thing' ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 4 Jul 92 19:19:15 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: Princess Diana Hi...re-reading my little article on Princess Diana, I realized that I was vary vague about what I was asking. I wasn't asking what the British people think of Charles and Diana's private life, but what they thought about the brouhaha surrounding it. If C&D were regular, everyday aristocrats, their private arrangements and public tattles wouldn't matter, but if the future of the monarchy is at stake, it's a pretty big deal. Or is it? That's what I want to know. How has the attitude toward the monarchy changed in the past couple of decades, with a new generation of people used to seeing the faults and foibles of the royal family splashed all over the newspapers? It seems that punk music started spreading discontent with the Royal-way-of-life to the masses of young people. Disrespect and disloyalty seems much more open and commen than it would have been in the early 70s and before. Though it might have really started in the 60s. (common-I kan spel-reeleey-I just can't edit) So anyway, my curiousity goes much deeper than just to wonder what people think about the tabloid stories. It has more to do with how the monarchy will see and be seen into the 21st century. Btw #1: If I seem more sympathetic to Diana, I am. If I seem too harsh on Charles, I was. he's a product of his upbringing. If I seem to imply that I don't think that Diana has any faults, that's wrong. She shares a lot of blame, but the things she was criticized for, in general, I don't think she should have been. If I seem airheaded because I care about the goings-on in the royal family, well, I do care about Diana and some others, but I fully realize that there are *millions* more important things in the world than the royal family. Lots of things worry me far more, and have the capacity to affect my life far more, than who is sleeping with who at Kensington Palace. But, we all have the capacity to airheadedness every now and then, and interest in Princess Diana and the future of the monarchy is part of mine. Oh well.... Vickie ======================================================================== Date: 4-JUL-1992 21:17:17.51 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Re: The Last Champagne Jam Hi! Michael writes: }Thanx to Meredith and Doug I am now happily listening to radio }from Middletown, CT. That's a really nice selection of music, }Meredith (and you have a great voice!) ... :) [blush] Thanks. :) It was a lot of fun to do, especially with the input of other Ectophiles adding to the selection. }Besides, it was fun hearing music by someone i know: Amy Denio. }She's quite a star in the 'almost-pop' local scene; glad to see }she's now out in the 'real' world. That one was woj's fault (he's back from Spain as of an hour ago, by the way :)- he loaned me the CD and told me which track to play. _Birthing Chair Blues_ is a great album. }So, thank you both for doing things like this for us. You're welcome. This may jinx all chance I may have, but I've put in for a job in Middletown, so if all goes well, the Force and all the deities are with me and all that, I may be able to get back on the air at WESU some September- keep all your available appendages crossed! (That goes for everybody. :) ======================================================================= |Meredith A. Tarr mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu Life? WHAT life???| ======================================================================= ======================================================================== From: shelly25@aol.com Subject: Re: Iris De Ment Date: Sat, 04 Jul 92 21:58:55 EDT And THEN Vickie said: VM> Reading the liner notes, I was surprised to find out that she VM> lives in Kansas City! Kansas City!! That's me. I'll have to keep an eye out for her, especially since I love Nanci Griffith. If I see her, or anything about her, I'll let you all know. Shelly shelly25@aol.com Beauty itself is the language to which we have no key. -Annie Dillard ======================================================================== Subject: some notes From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 92 18:48:09 GMT Vickie about our FAQ: > Second thing about the FAQ. I am having trouble with the idea that H&K's > phone number is included. Greg, have you talked to Kevin about this yet? > I've given out the phone number in private before, but never in a public Aural Gratification has their phone number on the catalogue they send out and in their news letters, so I think there is nothing wrong with putting it in the FAQ, especially as the FAQ lists it in the "business part". Mark told us: > _severe_ withdrawal. She's ordering at least Warpaint from AG. I'm > going to loan her Ecto next... Remember to make a backup copy for yourself first. Who knows how long it will take to get that back. :) I'm currently updating the list of songs from Happy. There is one thing I have to know for it from someone who has the _Warpaint_ TAPE. Are the songs in the same order as on the CD? Which is the first song of side B? ___________________________________________________________ ( "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. ) ) Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." ( / --- Happy Rhodes --- \ / Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de \ ======================================================================== Subject: ecto archaeology #4 From: claudia@inphobos.w.open.de (Claudia Spix) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 92 17:47:49 GMT Hi! I managed to read quite a lot of digests in a row this weekend, so I feel like saying a few things again. This is becoming less and less archaeology, as new topics push up front. Vickie said: >Congratulations on the release of the last 2 Western hostages-Heinrich >Struebig & Thomas Kempter from Germany!!! This is a bit late, but I just >found out about it. How wonderful!! I know it's totally Happy unrelated but because it was brought up I think I should add a little background to this. The reaction to this (and the fuss made around it) in the german public and my own are quite ambiguous. These guys belong to a humanitarian society (actually it's not quite clear how humanitarian it really is or whether it might be a front for something else) and they had been warned by the foreign ministry 9 times (!) by letter, phone call and in person not to go to Beirut at that time and they went anyway. They were captured and warned and released a few times in Lebanon before this too. So there are quite a few people who feel the government should have taken a 'told you so' position and left them to their fate. While I don't share this very strict view I am half inclined to agree with those who say, they (or their organization) should at least be presented with the bill for the direct costs of the whole liberation thing (airline tickets, phone calls, security, hospital care etc). Still, even stupid people are entitled to personal freedom and dignity, so I guess everybody is relieved at the happy end and thanks for the congratulations, Vickie! and >ps, thanks for the welcomes, Claudia! You're welcome ;) Meredith >Hi, Claudia! Wie geht's beim Digest-lesen? :) You wrote this on June 22nd, I read it July 4th, does that give you an idea? BTW, all you US-ectophiles: Happy Independence Day! Greg, thank you so much for your selection of early, early posts, from ectoplasm and ecto, I enjoyed them a bundle! Hadn't seen the stuff before respectively forgotten about it. Somebody mentioned Tracy Chapman and how sad it is to hear she does the same stuff over and over. I have to second this. I bought her first album and like it a lot, so when the second came out I listened to what they played of it on the radio, but couldn't find anything new, and that's how it stayed. I wonder if she feels this is the best she can do? I always felt there was more potential. Mitch, on Phil Collins on June 12th >Late on a recent Saturday night, I was watching a local video show which >happened to run the latest Genesis video, in which Phil Collins figured >prominently. It occurred to me, for reasons still unexplainable, that >Genesis--including Collins--in its earlier days, particularly when Peter >Gabriel led it, is part of the canon of ecto, gaffa, and like-minded >lists; whereas Collins' solo material, in great measure, is probably >anathema to many of their subscribers. I disagree! While I like Peter Gabriel and Genesis and early Genesis stuff I also like Phil Collins solo stuff! And I can't help to especially like the "Schnulzen" (Meredith, any matching english word? Means *very* soft and *romantic* sort of). I sometimes feel he's the only male composer and perfomer who can do those (Two hearts, Another day in paradise, that latest one and many more) and make a little something within me vibrate along. Otherwise "Schnulzen" usually leave me disgusted or bored. ok, now I've rambled for more than a page, time to sign off, yours, Claudia claudia@inphobos.w.open.de -- "It was plain here was someone who prepared to stick his neck out further than most people, someone who would carry on in the face of adversity, and someone more would shortly fall off a chair" Geoffrey Perkins, The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy, The Original Radio Scripts -- ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 5 Jul 92 14:35:11 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: Iris De Ment Hi Shelly, did you see my post from last week? I was just wondering if you were able to pick up my show in Lawrence. Happy Pt. 2 is coming up tomorrow night (Monday) and I focus on V1 and V2, stuff you haven't heard yet. Just in case you missed that other post, here's the info again: KKFI 90.1fm (very close to KCUR, the 100,000 watt NPR station at 88.9) 10:00pm Monday nights My show (Suspended In Gaffa) airs within another show called Parallel Ports hosted my my good friend Sue so you'd probably hear her come on first. KKFI is a 1) 100,000 watt 2) Community station so 1) you should be able to pick it up in Lawrence. I used to have a lot of listeners there and it seems I still do becasue the last time I talked to Kevin he said they have gotten a lot of mail from Lawrence. 2) If you try to tune it in at other parts of the day you'd hear all kinds of things, from children's shows to Blues to Jazz to World Music to political talk shows (*very* political!) to gay/lesbian talk/music shows & all kinds of other things. If it sounds weird, it's probably KKFI :-) Please let me know if you can get it. It would be the first time that an Ectophile (well, *anyone* on the net, actually) could hear the Kansas City show as it airs. After over 4 years on the air, that would be quite a revelation/milestone for me. Thanks! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 5 Jul 92 15:44:24 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: ecto archaeology #4 Claudia, thanks for being so up-front about the feelings toward the German hostages. It's one of those subjects that (some) people may be thinking about, but not feel comfortable talking out loud about. I felt the same way when Terry Waite went back over there. At the time, a group of friends and I were debating it. Most of us were of the mind that, though what he was trying to do was noble, it was also stupid, and we were sure that he would just get himself taken hostage again. Of course, that's exactly what happened. I felt sorry for him (more and more so as the years went by) but it just seemed wasteful. He could have done so much more good on the "outside." As for the Americans, I just felt that they shouldn't have been there, since the situation was so volatile, but each was there for a different reason and felt what they were doing was right, I suppose. Especially Terry Anderson. As a journalist, he was covering the story for the outside world. In general, I have very high regard for journalists willing to risk their lives to bring important political stories to the world, and that goes for journalists ranging from Terry Anderson to Woodward & Bernstein to Peter Arnett. On a somewhat related, but not so dramatic, note, I just started a book called _Between Past and Present_ by Neil Asher Silberman and though I'm only in the 1st chapter, promises to be fascinating. It's about the "politics" oops...of archaeology, and how "susceptible archaeological interpretations were/are to academic, nationalistic, and religious pressures that lay behind the scenes." It starts with Yugoslavia & Greece and the Macedonians and goes into Turkey, Cypress, Isreal, Egypt, & South Arabia. It's already a page turner. I'm interested in archaeology, but know very little about it, so I'll probably end up reading it twice (if it turns out to be worth the effort.) I've long been fascinated (and disgusted) by the thought that so much written history has been changed to reflect the bias of the writer. It didn't start with the bible. Chris points out that *all* written history reflects the bias of the writer and I agree. But so much has been altered or even deleted or just not included just because someone didn't like it. Historical censorship which goes on to this day. Again, this doesn't have much to do with Happy, but it interests me. Long threads on subjects like this probably wouldn't be appropriate, but I hope other people feel free to jump in and talk about things that interest them. First because it's fun and second because it's educational. I particularly love to hear you people talk about things other than music (though of course, that's wonderful to hear about too) because it broadens my mind. I'm almost certainly the least-educated Ectophile (seriously, I never went past high school, so I'm not just putting myself down) and I love to hear things that maybe I otherwise wouldn't have known about. Happy is the focus of this group, and so is other music, but since the beginning of the list people have jumped in with other subjects and I like that. I learn a lot and it makes me think (*especially* Mitch's wonderful posts!) even if I can't always comment on what it was I read. I always have fun reading. "Imagination sets in, then all the voices begin" KB Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 5 Jul 92 15:53:39 EDT From: Vickie Mapes Subject: Re: some notes Hi Klaus! The Warpaint cassette is exactly the same as the CD. "Lay Me Down" is the first song on the B-side. I talked to Kevin about the phone number and he confirmed that it was ok to put the number in the FAQ. They have gotten another number just for personal calls and put the answering machine on the Aural Gratification line for calls that come in after 5:00pm. I probably over-reacted to the situation, but I still thank Tracy for backing me up. Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)