10-Jul-91 6:47:02-GMT,1231;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA05813; Wed, 10 Jul 91 02:46:43 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA03477; Tue, 9 Jul 91 23:46:39 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA02362; Tue, 9 Jul 91 23:44:56 PDT Date: Tue, 9 Jul 91 23:44:56 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9107100644.AA02362@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9107100312.AA22821@bunny.gte.com> Subject: Re: vol. 1, ecto vs vol. 2, rearmament I have the first four Happy albums, and my track record is that I have listened to Vol. I and Rearmament most. When I got Rearmament and Ecto I was pretty excited, and Rearmament got off to a good start because I was immediately impressed by "The Perfect Irony" and "For We Believe". Most of my recent favorites are on Rearmament--"Friend You'll Be", "Crystal Orbs", "Because I Learn", "Ally Ally Oxenfree". Ecto just hasn't pulled me in as much yet, although I certainly do like "Would That I Could". I've been sort of Happyed out lately; I just had a short Kate period and now I'm listening to (Kate help me) Rush. 10-Jul-91 16:19:56-GMT,821;000000000001 Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10517; Wed, 10 Jul 91 12:19:24 EDT Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@cs.rutgers.edu) id AA13639; Wed, 10 Jul 91 11:18:44 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:gb10@gte.com) id AA07975; Wed, 10 Jul 91 11:18:42 CDT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 11:18:42 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107101618.AA07975@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu, gb10@gte.com Subject: Re: vol. 1, ecto vs vol. 2, rearmament Cc: stern@chem.nwu.edu Hmmmm... greg. I don't know what I fill in. If anything. I'll have to think about this one. I know that I always fill in harmony... maybe 1 2 and 5 lend themselves more readily to this. -mjm 10-Jul-91 17:20:48-GMT,1677;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17211; Wed, 10 Jul 91 13:20:31 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA17952; Wed, 10 Jul 91 13:20:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 13:20:26 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107101720.AA17952@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: vol. 1, ecto vs vol. 2, rearmament mjm says: > Hmmmm... greg. I don't know what I fill in. > If anything. I'll have to think about this one. > I know that I always fill in harmony... maybe 1 2 and 5 lend > themselves more readily to this. yah, i'm not certain that my concept of the listener 'filling in' the gaps in the music is generally applicable -- and it certainly makes any discussion of artistic value very subjective. on the flip side, it was a common trick in baroque music to 'sketch' out a musical structure, and let the listener fill in the missing parts (check out the fugues in Bach's solo violin and cello works...). Happy's monophonic accompanyment and rich melodies certainly suggest additional harmonies, as mike says; to me it's like there's a phantom (ecto!) song behind the recorded one. part of the difference in feel on _Warpaint_ for me is that many of those imagined parts are filled in (eg. the voice drums on _Wrong Century_); happily, Happy's musical imagination is right on. still, i hope she doesn't wholly abandon the sparseness of her earlier work... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 10-Jul-91 17:46:50-GMT,1157;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19992; Wed, 10 Jul 91 13:46:26 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27431; Wed, 10 Jul 91 13:46:23 EDT Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 13:46:22 EDT From: jessica To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: emotion Message-Id: I think some of my favorite spots in happy's songs are when she does show more emotion with her voice, though I agree that those spots are somwhat sparse.. there're some good ones on ecto - the lines: "He'd talk of entities that didn't exist Or so I thought... " and "Don't call me up to be your therapist Because you think I'm wise " there are others too, but overall, i do wish there were more of them! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 10-Jul-91 22:41:31-GMT,927;000000000001 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26470; Wed, 10 Jul 91 18:41:03 EDT Received: from E40-008-8.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA03503; Wed, 10 Jul 91 18:41:12 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by e40-008-8.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22461; Wed, 10 Jul 91 18:40:55 -0400 Message-Id: <9107102240.AA22461@e40-008-8.MIT.EDU> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: An idea Date: Wed, 10 Jul 91 18:40:53 EDT Hi, I was listening to Warpaint today and I wondered. How can this wonderful album (OK, yesterday I said it was emotionless, I take it back) be more widely known. Well, how about submitting a review to 'rec.music.reviews'? I wrote a rough draft. How about if we come up with reviews to it, post them to ecto, and then vote on which one goes to 'rec.music.reviews'? Do you think it's a good idea? Why hasn't anubody even mentioned Happy in 'r.m.m'? Angelos 11-Jul-91 16:11:29-GMT,1039;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23921; Thu, 11 Jul 91 12:10:22 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA21200; Thu, 11 Jul 91 11:10:14 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.RUTGERS.EDU) id AA16005; Thu, 11 Jul 91 10:50:33 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu) id AA02057; Thu, 11 Jul 91 10:50:31 CDT Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 10:50:31 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107111550.AA02057@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Re: An idea Angelos: why don't you just go ahead and post your review right away. If other people want to write their own, that's fine, but if we wait to referee them, it'll be weeks before it gets posted. Jeff B was going to send something to rmm... did you ever do it jeff? If not some one should. And Alt.rock'n'roll as well. -mjm 11-Jul-91 16:36:49-GMT,4111;000000000001 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27897; Thu, 11 Jul 91 12:36:25 EDT Received: from M66-309-1.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA26730; Thu, 11 Jul 91 12:36:34 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by m66-309-1.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA18938; Thu, 11 Jul 91 12:36:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9107111636.AA18938@m66-309-1.MIT.EDU> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Here is my review. Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 12:36:15 EDT Hi, This is what I plan to post. I would like to hear any comments you have. -------------------- Happy Rhodes: Warpaint. A review by Angelos Kyrlidis. Overall : ****1/2 ------- Profile: ------- Most of you are probably unfamiliar with the work of Happy Rhodes, a 25 year old singer/songwriter, performer, producer from Albany NY. And you have every reason to be, since her records are not sold in most stores. Yes, she is undiscovered (to date). Warpaint is her fifth release on the Aural Gratification label, which is a home-based enterprise that sells her albums. It is her first CD release. Review: ------ The album marks the departure from the ethereal 'Kate-Bush-like' vocals of her first 4 albums, and an even more dramatic departure in terms of musical style. Happy's music has become more rhythmic, and a lot more interesting. Although the lack of acoustic guitar which was the base of some of her more powerful stuff (ie. 'The Wretches gone Awry' from Rhodes, Vol.I) is missed, the synthesized textures, and the rich rhythms compensate for this. The song that conveys the spirit of Happy's music the best is 'Waking Up' a song about shedding the cobwebs that surround most people and starting life over with a new point of view and concern for what is happening around us. The chorus is very catchy and if some radio stations catch on, it could be an alternative hit. My favorite song in this album is hard to pinpoint. 'Lay me down' has a hypnotic violin and a moody, sad tone to it, that is perfect for mellow moments. 'Lay me down-encompass me with silence...' is an example of the lyrics that make this song the saddest I have heard in a long time. On the other hand both 'Phobos' and 'Terra ingognita', both upbeat, are good songs. Both have a great rhythm, and excellent choruses. But the almost dancable song on this album is 'Wrong Century'. Here Happy lets go. She seems amused by the lyrics, and even includes 40 seconds or so of 'jamming' or synth distortion, or whatever you want to call it. The lyrical highpoint of this album has to be the title song 'Warpaint'. 'Don't try to tell me there's no reason for any moment in time Every memory of mine These years are lines of color on my face, The past is warpaint' 'In Hiding', the song that closes the album has a great melody to it, and features Happy's voice accompanied by piano. The song's sparseness is an illustration of the almost minimalistic nature of Happy's music. This is why it's so intriguing. Instead of having layer upon layer of instruments Happy uses just the basics, and fills the voids with her great vocals, and thoughtful lyrics. I predict that Happy will be very widely known as soon as American Radio 'Wakes up' and 'sheds its cobwebs'. Because the talent of this 25 year old is something worth being shared and spread around. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- __________ | | ) | | | | / | | | | / | | / -------------( |----+ +----+ +----+ +---- / | | \ | | | | | | |___ \ | | \ | | | | | | | \ | | \ | | +----+ +----+ +---- / / \ / \ / ______ ______ ______ \ \ / /\ | ) | )/\ ||\ | | \ ^ / \ |___/ |___// \ || \ | | \ / \ /----\ | \ | /----\ || \ | | \/ \/ \| \ | / \ || \| | ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Angelos 11-Jul-91 16:57:19-GMT,954;000000000001 Received: from a.cs.uiuc.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01218; Thu, 11 Jul 91 12:56:48 EDT Received: from melodian.cs.uiuc.edu by a.cs.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15782 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4 for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu); Thu, 11 Jul 91 11:56:42 -0500 Received: by melodian.cs.uiuc.edu (4.1/9.7) id AA14770; Thu, 11 Jul 91 11:56:40 CDT Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 11:56:40 CDT Message-Id: <9107111656.AA14770@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu> From: tara@cs.uiuc.edu (Tara Madhyastha) In-Reply-To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu's message of Jul 11, 12:36pm. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.4 2/14/89) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Here is my review. Don't forget to mention the address of Aural Gratification -- the record stores in general seem to be unwilling to find that info for you if you ask, or special order anything not from their distributors. ("It doesn't show up on our computer, I guess it doesn't exist"). The review is great! tara 11-Jul-91 17:09:49-GMT,1358;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03208; Thu, 11 Jul 91 13:09:16 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03497; Thu, 11 Jul 91 13:09:13 EDT Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 13:09:13 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107111709.AA03497@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: kevin says I got a letter from kevin yesterday, he says he liked the lyrics insert very much and is very interested in including them in the cassettes they sell! He says he has lots of questions and wants me to call (he says i could even call collect, but that's silly :) Someone once posted to gaffa some information about public access to the internet, and i didn't pay much attention to it, but i'm wondering now if anyone has information about how random people can get access (free access i mean) to the internet, to be able to use mail and news... Kevin is very interested in that, and i'm pretty sure it's something he wants to ask me about. I do know someone from rpi who may know of a number they have for access to a terminal server, from which perhaps kevin would be able to connect to rutgers, in which case, i'll just give him an account here. I'd do that anyway, the problem is that without a local call to the internet, it'd be a very expensive endeavor! jessica 11-Jul-91 17:29:40-GMT,1273;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06300; Thu, 11 Jul 91 13:29:20 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA05687; Thu, 11 Jul 91 13:29:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 13:29:14 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107111729.AA05687@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Here is my review. good job, Angelos! a few comments: Tara is right -- you ought to include ordering info; might as well include prices... also, you might want to mention this mailing list. speaking of which, has this list been 'registered' withthe list-of-musical- lists people? there may be some Happy fans who missed the love-hounds controversy... > and even includes 40 seconds or so of 'jamming' > or synth distortion, or whatever you want to call it. hmmm. i'm not sure that "synth distortion" is what you mean; and "jamming" sounds like reggae or jazz to me. i'd say something like: "and even includes a dance/remix style break." otherwise, it looks great! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 11-Jul-91 23:05:32-GMT,1319;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18850; Thu, 11 Jul 91 19:05:07 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA25403; Thu, 11 Jul 91 17:37:19 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9107112237.AA25403@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Happy Rhodes' "Warpaint" To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 17:37:17 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] This evening I came home to find "Warpaint" in my mailbox. I am listening to Happy's cd now. So far, I think of at least two other ppl who have never heard of her that would appreciate her music (and I'll send them some info on it.) I've been trying to avoid everyone's comments as on how they think of Happy's music. I don't want to be influenced. So far after this very first listening (and I'm only on song four) I find Happy to quite similiar to the reports of Kate Bush, a bit of Enya flavouring, and subtle tints of Joni Mitchell. I would only report to say, I enjoy what I have heard thus far, to say that Happy has her own sound, her own flavour and I wonder what Kevin's music is like (and I wish it was on cd.) shark@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (also if anyone would like to fill out a survey for my journalism research send me your email address and I'll forward it to you--thanks much!) 12-Jul-91 7:57:15-GMT,1731;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00368; Fri, 12 Jul 91 03:55:09 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA03517; Fri, 12 Jul 91 02:15:59 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Thu, 11 Jul 91 21:25:40 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA06746; Thu, 11 Jul 91 21:25:39 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Thu, 11 Jul 91 18:56 CDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 11 Jul 91 18:56 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: finally back on Lost my other phone cord to phonitize my bedroom, so im back on after a week of absence..... Angelos- love the warpaint graphic thing you did!!! too choice!!! I happen to LOVE Rearmament....it took a lonnnnng time to get into but once I finally caught grasp of the more obscure magic I really got into it! I can't say I have a favorite Happy tape/cd but I know that Warpaint would be the last one on the list...don't get me wrong I love the album, but it doesn't catch me as much as the others with the exception of Wrong Century....on a tangent I just completed a painting that was inspired by WC - it's bizarre like most of my art but it's interesting.... on an unrelated to Happy note...JORN if you talk to Vickie within the next couple days could you tell her (and yourself :) ) WE HAVE IVY - for Katemas...my mother did a wonderful thing, she bought me three ivy plants...(she's sooo weird!) Well must be away..to continue with the weirdest week of my life Slan Leat! Kiri hargie@chinet.chi.il.us 12-Jul-91 10:38:10-GMT,3035;000000000001 Received: from unido.Informatik.Uni-Dortmund.DE by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14265; Fri, 12 Jul 91 06:37:48 EDT Received: from Materna-Gw.Materna.DE by unido.informatik.uni-dortmund.de with SMTP (5.65+/UNIDO-2.0.4.d) via EUnet for athos.rutgers.edu id AA16448; Fri, 12 Jul 91 12:35:00 +0200 From: Klaus Kluge Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 12:37:25 +0200 Message-Id: <9107121037.AA21623@elwood.Materna.DE> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: collected stuff ----- Vickie (Hi!) wrote: ----- > difficult times. Her favorite films are _Alien_ and _Aliens_. "I can love When my mate Claudia saw the Ecto cover she assumed that Happy was inspired by paintings of _H.R._ Giger. Reading your lines now seem to point into that direction as H.R.Giger did the artwork for 'Alien'. Now I'm as much curious to see the covers of the other tapes as to hear them. Hopefully it's just another 3 weeks before they arrive (X - fingers crossed). It makes me very nervous to read how good the other tapes are and each day I get very disappointed when I can't find them in the mail box. Can't you write that they are really bad until I get them, to give me some peace of mind? :) :) :) ----- greg (Hi!) wrote: ----- > speaking of woj: my posts to ecto are bouncing back from woj's address to > me -- anyone else having problems like this??? Yes. Is there anything we can do about it? As I haven't heard the first 4 tapes I can't talk about them, but just from 'Ecto' and 'Warpaint' I have to say that I still prefer 'Warpaint' although most voices voted for 'Ecto'. The first thing to do with my 'Ecto' tape was to play it on another tape for the car. I've noticed that the recording level on 'Ecto' is very low, but it came out quite good on the copy. There is not too much background noise. Are the other tapes also recorded at that low level? I've played that car tape with my two albums that much that I have to replace it asap. Must be a couple of feet longer now. Some of the songs got a new atmosphere, unfortunately not for the better. I've been playing 'Warpaint' to a couple of people in an attempt to give them some happyness, but nobody so far showed big enthusiasm. Though someone said that Happys has an even better voice than KaTe, that she can sing so well in her different voices. I still don't know what 'walking toast' means. Unfortunately nobody replied to my question. Does nobody know??? Ooooooh I see, I forgot to write the magic words: "It's plain to see I'm a foreigner, it's clear I do not 'understand'" :) Since yesterday I can access the net from the PC on my desk. As it needed a name I decided for 'ecto'. Ciao, Klaus. _________________________________________________________ | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | | --- Happy Rhodes --- | | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | 12-Jul-91 14:16:47-GMT,500;000000000001 Received: from aristotle.ils.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA03856; Fri, 12 Jul 91 10:16:16 EDT Received: from GUESSWHO (mac58.ils.nwu.edu) by aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (4.0/SMI-ACNS-1.04) id AA11834; Fri, 12 Jul 91 09:17:32 CDT Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 09:17:32 CDT From: barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Message-Id: <9107121417.AA11834@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: I wanna be her Oberon! God that song makes me... lonely/horny/hopeful/jealous!!! 12-Jul-91 17:02:16-GMT,732;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA26388; Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:01:29 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA28120; Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:01:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:01:22 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107121701.AA28120@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: I wanna be her Oberon! Jorn howls: > God that song makes me... lonely/horny/hopeful/jealous!!! makes me feel drunk. far too close to the bone... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 12-Jul-91 17:21:19-GMT,1264;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29290; Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:20:49 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA29373; Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:20:39 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:20:39 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107121720.AA29373@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: walking toast Klaus (Hi!) is rightfully baffled: > I still don't know what 'walking toast' means. "Toast" is rather obscure (american) slang for someone who has been caught, stopped, or has run out of options. usage: "You're toast, buddy" "This project is toast" "Woah, toasted, dude" some slang synonyms: "history" "Z" "finished" "done for" the "walking" part comes from phrases like "walking pneumonia" and "walking dead" -- it suggests that the person is unaware of her state. it adds emphasis to the noun; thus "walking toast" refers to someone who is in serious trouble and doesn't even know it. a useful phrase, really, though not in common usage... -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- uh oh, my english degree is showing... 12-Jul-91 20:10:54-GMT,1617;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23283; Fri, 12 Jul 91 16:09:59 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA05728; Fri, 12 Jul 91 15:09:53 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA00625; Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:55:08 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:gb10@gte.com) id AA06422; Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:55:07 CDT Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 13:55:07 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107121855.AA06422@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, gb10@gte.com Subject: Re: walking toast Cc: stern@chem.nwu.edu Greg, as a linguistics major, and as a person, I appreciate your verily accurate definition of walking toast. You said: > ..."walking toast" refers to someone > who is in serious trouble and doesn't even know it. I would almost agree, except for me, it's not so much a reference to someone who is "burned" (toasted) not knowing that fact, but rather perhaps being aware of the toasted state and kind of not willing or ready or able to do anything about it. If I've just plunked down 20 G's on Razor Ruddick and then I find out from someone who knows that he's throwing the fight, then I might choose to refer to myself as "walking toast"... perhaps the connotation is "I'm on my way (walking) into a no-win situation that will ipso facto render me toast." (although the future-tense element is not wholly necessary --- I could already be toast) -mjm (but, i wonder what *happy* meant by it) 13-Jul-91 3:56:33-GMT,3319;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00952; Fri, 12 Jul 91 23:55:56 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04591; Fri, 12 Jul 91 21:22:11 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:28:33 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11691; Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:28:31 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 12 Jul 91 18:03 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 18:03 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Song titles Vickie here. This is just a quick guide to all the song titles, for those who might want to print it out. ----------cut here------------cut here-------------cut here---------- (Well don't _actually_ cut here, as your monitor will implode!) Happy Rhodes RHODES VOL. I - 1986 ------------- Side A Side B 1) Rainkeeper 1) Moonbeam Friends 2) Oh The Drears 2) I'm Not Awake, I'm Not Asleep 3) Given In 3) The First To Cry 4) He's Alive 4) Step Inside 5) Possessed 5) The Wretches Gone Awry 6) I'll Let You Go 7) Number One 8) Case Of Glass ---------------------------------------------------------------- RHODES VOL. II - 1986 -------------- Side A Side B 1) Come Here 1) Noone Here 2) The Revelation 2) To The FunnyFarm 3) Many Nights 3) Asylum Master 4) Under And Over The Brink 4) Beat it Out 5) Let Me Know, Love 5) The Chase 6) Where Do I Go? 7) Not For Me 8) One Alien ----------------------------------------------------------------------- REARMAMENT - 1986 ---------- Side A Side B 1) The Perfect Irony 1) Box H.A.P. 2) For We Believe 2) I Have A Heart 3) I Am a Legend 3) Crystal Orbs 4) 'Til the Dawn Breaks 4) Because I Learn 5) The Issue Is 5) Baby Don't Go 6) Friend You'll Be 6) Rhodes Waltz 7) Dreams Are 7) Ally Ally Oxenfree ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ECTO - 1987 ---- Side A Side B 1) I'm Going Back 1) Ecto 2) If Love Is A Game, I Win 2) I Cannot Go On 3) Would That I Could 3) Ode 4) Off From Out From Under Me 4) Don't Want To Hear It 5) Project 499 5) Poetic Justice 6) I Won't Break Down 6) To Be E. Mortal 7) If So ------------------------------------------------------------------------- WARPAINT - 1991 -------- 1) Waking Up 7) Lay Me Down 2) Feed The Fire 8) Terra Incognita 3) Murder 9) All Things (Mia ia io) 4) To Live In Your World 10) Words Weren't Made For Cowards 5) Phobos 11) Warpaint 6) Wrong Century 12) In Hiding ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 13-Jul-91 3:56:42-GMT,5257;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01030; Fri, 12 Jul 91 23:56:33 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04589; Fri, 12 Jul 91 21:22:12 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:28:31 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11688; Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:28:29 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 12 Jul 91 18:02 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 18:02 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: First mention on net Vickie here. I don't know if this qualifies as "historic" or anything :-) but this is the very first mention of Happy on USENET. I posted this in rec.music.gaffa and rec.music.misc. I don't remember anyone asking me about her. This appeared within a *very* long post to .misc, my first ever. ............................................................................ Since other people are posting lists, here is my year/'decade' end "god-I-hate-Best Of-lists-so-these-are-Some-of-MY-Personal-Favorite- Female-ARTISTS-of-the-80s" show! These are just some of the artists/groups I think always release quality work. I would reccommend ANY album by all of these people (of course, some of them only have 1 album). On this list the artist is the important point. I could have played just about any song from any of these artist's albums. These people are NOT the kind who release albums with only 1 or 2 good songs on them and they definitely are the "backbone" of my show. SUSPENDED IN GAFFA 95 Playlist for 12/30/89 *Artist* *Album* *Song* Jane Siberry The Speckless Sky The Empty City Kate Bush The Dreaming Night of the Swallow Le Mystere des voix Bulgares Vol. 1 Svatba Cocteau Twins Treasure Cicely Sheila Chandra/Monsoon Third Eye Third Eye & Tikka TV Laurie Anderson Home of the Brave Language is a Virus Throwing Muses Throwing Muses Green Stewart & Gaskin Up From the Dark Leipzig Siouxsie & Banshees Tinderbox Cities in Dust --MOST EXCEPTIONAL UNKNOWN/UNSIGNED ARTIST OF THE 80s-- (IMHO) Happy Rhodes Rhodes Vol. 2 Come Here " " " " " The Revelation " " " " " Many Nights " " " " " Under and Over the Brink (anyone who's curious can obtain tapes from Aural Gratification Records, 51 Academy Rd,. Albany, N.Y. 12208 Write for catalog. If you feel you can trust my taste in music-trust me on this one) The Innocence Mission Self-titled Come Around and See Me The Indigo Girls Self-titled Kid Fears Wendy Wall Self-titled Wandering the Streets... 10,000 Maniacs The Wishing Chair Lilydale Concrete Blonde Free Little Conversations Virginia Astley Hope in a Darkened Heart A Father Bel Canto White-Out Conditions Blank Sheets Dead Can Dance Within the Realm... Dawn of the Iconoclast Victoria Williams Happy Come Home TC Michelle Shocked Short Sharp Shocked V.F.D. k.d.lang Angel With A Lariat Tune Into My Wave Mary Margaret O'Hara Miss America Dear Darling Najma Qareeb Neend Koyi Area The Perfect Dream I'll Gather Flowers Shona Laing South Soviet Snow and, because it was the last day of December (my show's on Saturday nights 10pm-midnight and I went over time): Kate Bush 7" December Will Be Magic Again This was by no means a complete list. There were many artists/groups I just didn't have time to play. Mary Coughlin, Caterwaul, Danielle Dax, Enya, Sarah McLachlan, A.C. Marias, Rickie Lee Jones, The Roches & Miriam Makeba, just to name a few. This was not really a "typical" show. I focus on Alt/Prog because that's what I like best, but I like to delve into other genres & eras. I'm dedicated to seeking out great music and passing that music on to my listeners. I hope to be part of this and other (.gaffa,etc.) news- groups for a long, long time and I have a lot of questions I hope to get answered. You people amaze me with your knowledge. Thanks for being patient (those who didn't push the "n") with this long first posting. Vickie Mapes (one of Vickie'n'Chris) *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* "Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please" *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* ........................................................................... Of course, DON'T pay attention to that address...they moved. Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us 13-Jul-91 3:56:57-GMT,7432;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01055; Fri, 12 Jul 91 23:56:45 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04586; Fri, 12 Jul 91 21:22:06 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:27:02 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11669; Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:27:01 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:57 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:57 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Catching up #4 Vickie here. Getting desperate.... David writes: > One of the more eclectic magazines that I know of is Option. They are > also chock full of reviews on all sorts of music, seems like a likely > candidate. I've told them about Option. I don't think they've sent them yet, but it's on the list of "Things to do" I'm sure. I agree, it's a VERY important magazine. Kevin has balked at sending out CDs to magazines to be reviewed because until they get a distribution deal, the CD won't be available in stores so people reading about it won't be able to find it so what's the point? It's a DAMN vicious circle!! I don't mean to bum everybody out, but things are looking very bleak in the House'O'Happy. The record companies aren't interested, the distribution deals they've been working on haven't panned out, none of the record stores that are carrying Warpaint are paying AG for the copies (Rose always pays, it just takes them awhile) and radio stations just aren't picking up on the album as fast as they should. Even the distribution deal I helped set up in Kansas City went under. That really bums me out because I was responsible for hooking AG up with Patrick. Now he owes them lots of money and it's unclear when (or even if) he'll pay what he owes. He's a friend of mine too!!! Man, I feel so bad!!! I know it's not *really* my fault, but still..., I feel responsible. I wish I were an important DeeJay so I could "break" Happy in the states. That's what happened with Chris Issacs. I've been playing her music on the radio since 1988, but I have no national attention. No clout. I can't even get her listed in CMJ for WZRD because my show isn't counted in their lists, and no other DJ on ZRD is playing her. They all play boyz with guitarz! KKFI doesn't report to CMJ at all. Damn!!! Chicago area people, PLEASE call WZRD and request Happy. *IF* they can find the CD (I couldn't find it the last time I was at the station) ask them to play "Words Weren't Made For Cowards" and who knows, maybe they will. She'll only get listed if at least 2 other DJs play her on a semi-regular basis. I don't have the phone number handy, could someone post it? I can't BELIEVE the record companies are ignoring Happy. ARE THEY STUPID??? The absolute CRAP that gets released every day is atrocious! I don't know where they get some of these bimbo boom-boom babes, unless they're sleeping with the record-company moguls. Sometimes the record companies do recognize talent, which puzzles me even more. What goes on in their tiny little minds? Of course, I'll love and respect forever the one that finally comes to its senses and signs Happy :-) but for now, I'll just bitch and moan about their stupidity. Certain people on gaffa aside, I just can't believe that anyone who knows anything at all about music could hear Warpaint and not recognize the talent there. Even if the type of music doesn't appeal. Even if all they care about is "commerciality", Warpaint has songs that could easily reach the Top 40 if promoted the right way. Then again, I don't know what I'm talking about, I thought TSW was Kate's most accessible album and it didn't get anywhere near the Top 40. I think that the song TWW should have made the Top 10, at least. I also think that Jane Siberry's last album was her most "accessible" and it bombed too. I also thought that Tracy Chapman's first album would die a quick death. See? I know *nothing*!! Does anyone know any famous people? I've already sent Warpaints to Kate and to Peter Gabriel (I've gotten a response from his assistant that the tapes I sent, a Warpaint and a 1st4 compilation, have been received. She said she would pass them on to Peter, who is "at the moment completely immersed in his new album" YAY! to both!). I'm going to be sending one to David Lynch. Angel sent one to Eberhard Weber, a friend of hers. Does anyone know how I can get in touch with John Hughes? I know he lives in Chicago, but I haven't the faintest idea how to reach him. How about Steven Spielberg? We have to get this album OUT!!! Any ideas for wild publicity stunts. I can't afford a Goodyear blimp! :-) I know! You know at sporting events, there's always this guy in the background holding the sign saying "John 3:16"? Well, we could push him out of the way and have our own "Happy Rhodes" signs! She's the Holy Ghost! Surely the guy wouldn't get too mad :-) So does anyone have tickets for the 1992 Olympics? :-) :-) Has ANYONE posted anything in rec.music.misc????? Please, I know some of you do have access, (Klaus?) please post something. Anything... Please be sure to save everything and mail it to me, or here too. Richard snidely asked why I hadn't posted anything about Happy in misc, implying that I didn't think she was important enough, knowing full well that we don't have access anymore. Grrrr...! Once we get a phone.... Don't forget rec.music.cd too. How about a letter-writing campaign to someone? I don't know who though. Any ideas at all? We can only do so much, but we can somehow be a potent force, I just know it! I don't know how though. Please make compilation tapes for friends if you have the equipment. Spreading the word is one thing we can do, however we can do it. Sorry this is depressing and urgent-sounding. I'm just in a weird mood. I just finished writing my "I'm pissed and I'm not going to take it anymore" post for gaffa. I didn't *really* say everything I wanted to say (I'm a lady, don't ya know!), but I did get a lot of things off my chest onto the page. I'm, *get this*, listening to Black Sabbath's _Master Of Reality_ album now! I really loved this album at one time and I can still enjoy it "for old time's sake" believe it or not! But, OH MY GOD, it's conjuring up demons and giving me murderous thoughts.....AAAAAHHHHH!!!! Those PMRC Ladies were right!!!...GGGGGGRRRRR....AAAAAAHHHHH....SSCCCRRREEEECCCCHHHHH!! YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEHHHHHHHHWHERE'S!!!!JON!!!!DRUKMAN????!!!!????? Whew! I just ran to the CD player and put on Warpaint...Wow, that was close! I'm OK now. Where'd I get that knife that's in my hand? I don't remember, I don't recall, I have no memory of anything at all. My common sense spoke of no consequense. What intruder is causing the twist of a gentle heart? I cannot defy their will, but I'd rather die than kill. I think I need to find the key, for sure, 'cause I feel the yearning for peace and happiness. Ahhhh...music's the way, the only way I know.... We're waking up, I just wish everyone else would. ...sigh... Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "But if you ignore my presence, I will never come again. Take notice" Someone *very* nice 13-Jul-91 3:59:40-GMT,10815;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01365; Fri, 12 Jul 91 23:59:29 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04583; Fri, 12 Jul 91 21:22:06 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:26:47 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11654; Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:26:44 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:44 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:44 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Catching up #2 Vickie here. Just things to get caught up on..., we're so far behind. We won't be reading the last week+ posts until after this is posted. Jessica, in your first post you gave this list of people: > So anyway, welcome to the list! so far, we are: > myself, Dave Steiner, Joseph Dembski, Jeff Burka, David N. Blank, art, > Mitch Pravatiner, woj, Jeff Abbott, Albert Philipsen, Laura Clifford, > Vickie, Jorn Barger, and hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (feel free to send me > your name, if you want :) HI EVERYBODY!! and later you said the list had grown considerably. PLEASE post the names of those new readers, and any others as they join up. There might be some people who'd wish to remain anonymous (though I can't imagine why) but I'd love to know who's here. We're a very special group, IIDSSM (that's a new one, "If I Do Say So Myself" :-) and I'd like us to have sort of a family-type atmosphere. Don't anybody go calling me "mom" though :-) 'cause I don't know how to cook and even air plants die in my presence! I'd also like to know Art's last name. I know woj & hargie's names. Some questions that I didn't see answers to: Jeff A wrote: > It was reported that KGSR in Austin has the _Warpaint_ CD. I'd like > to call in and request something off of it, but since I don't have > the CD, I don't know the songs. Would y'all make some suggestions? > Perhaps whatever is the most (I hate to use this word, but) approachable > song on the CD? Most stations are playing "Waking Up" and that's the uh...single (if one actually existed), but KERA in Dallas is playing lots of others, whatever they feel like playing, I guess. WU is the "safe" song, so you might try it. Let us know how goes it. An "alternative" song (both meanings meant) would be "Words Weren't Made For Cowards" which I'm only saying because it's my favorite, but it would make a great radio song too! Jessica, you wrote: > I think Vickie mentioned in a posting that happy > can not read or write music. Is that true? Yes, it's true. Happy gave a cassette tape of the music she wanted played to the violin player (Elizabeth Jones, who plays for the Albany Symphony Orchestra. She was the only "extra" musician who wasn't a friend of H&K and who got paid) on "Lay Me Down" and the piano player (Martha Waterman, a friend of H&Ks who worked for free) on "In Hiding" and they learned their parts from the tapes. They played what Happy "wrote" exactly. > I think it's amazing that someone who can create such > wonderful music would not know much about music theory SO true!! > It make me wonder if it makes any difference at all, > all this studying i am doing !:) What are you studying? > vickie: i'm keeping everything posted here, and i'll > be mailing prinouts of it to Happy every week or so. > I have some of the original posts from gaffa, but i > have no idea if i have them all, if you'd like, mail > them to me, and i'll make sure everything is organized. I'll send you what I can when I can. I didn't realize just how much there was until I organized everything myself and made a list of all the subject lines. The volume was truly enormous. I really don't blame the ones who complained for complaining. They had every right and reason to. There were some who got downright nasty though, and there was no call for that. I held my temper (uh, until recently) admirably, I thought. I must write somthing about the "magic" issue though. By the way, my last bunch of posts appeared out of order. For archival purposes, is there any way you can rearrange them? The subject lines were numbered #1, #2, #3 & #4, and the last one should have been #5, but Chris titled it "new news" (though it didn't contain any) and when I got them at my site, they were all out of whack. Also, in #1, I think it was, there was no "paragraph marking" in one of the sentences of the "hand-made collectability" paragraph, so the sentence ran off the page. Can you fix that? I could re-post just the one paragraph if that would be easier. I don't want to re-post the entire things, but I'd like them to be fixed for "future generations of readers ftping" :-) David writes: > I could easily whip up an insert for the tapes. Acually, we could > send them a copy of the insert Jessica & crew (the lyrics team) > created! She could then pop down to her local printer and have them > copy them for 7 cents a copy and voila, no more typing *and* the > lyrics would come in the tape? Whaddya think? Sounds like a good idea to me. Kevin said he'd love to have lyric inserts for the 1st4. Kevin will probably getting in touch with Jessica about this. If she needs help for anything I'm sure she'll ask. Happy said that quite a few people (not on the net) have asked for the lyrics. Michael sent her printouts of the ones I posted and she was going to photocopy them for those people. btw, Jessica, do my "kittys" come out on your laserprinted copies? They came out on nicely on Michael's printouts, but not on Jorn's. :-( It's not really an ego thing, but I loved my kittys. > dave@mars.njit.edu (hi, what's your full name?) says: > Hi. I'm not at my account now, but I will be shortly and I want to > ask to be put on the Happy Rhodes mailing list asap. I also know lots > of posts and lyrics and interviews made it to r.m.g, and want to know if > these are archived someplace cos I dont think my site still has those > articles. Are you able to ftp? If not, I could e-mail you the lyrics and some of the past posts. Are you in New Jersey & where? Jessica, have you been in contact with Dave here? Just wanted to say hi to you! David N. Blank writes about Warpaint: > I like the album very much. If I could ask for anything for the new > album, I would ask for more acoustic guitar. It is one of my favorite > instruments and compliments Happy's voice(s) well. Plus, it is the > closest thing I can think of to having Kate Bush's voice backed up by mean. I love the high voices of both singers. I love their low voices too, but both have pushed their highs into the background way too far. I agree that Happy's voice is complimented very nicely by guitar. She told me that the next album will have plenty of guitar on it so don't give up!! I'd love to hear Kate sing something with a simple guitar too. Hell, I'd LOVE to hear a Kate/Happy duet. Would that be *ultimate* heaven or what?? Jessica: > Two people now have said they find happy's voice to be bland. > I've just got to speak up and say I don't feel the same way at all. > I can't name a single other voice that sounds so good both high > and low and has the same sorts of nuances that Happy's does. Well, Kate's the only other one I like as much. I agree in that I don't understand how anyone could say her voice is *bland*! (Her songs either!) It's (*they're*) just so exquisitely beautiful! Her voice melts my heart. Her music melts my brain. Her lyrics melt my soul. OK, so I'm just one big lump of melted humanity after listening to Happy. It's so much fun! I especially LOVE when she puts in those subtle Celtic lilts in her voice, best heard on the 1st4. Come to think of it, she doesn't do it at all on Warpaint. Another thing given up in the name of "progress" ---sigh--- Kate quit using her Celtic lilts too. Kate also quit her use of waltz-time. OH NO......HAPPY??????!!!!!! I JUST LOVE Happy's waltz songs. They're just too wonderful for words!! I suppose whatever Happy give up as she moves along in her growth will still always be with us, as long as the 1st4 exist. We can't complain too much. As long as she never gives up her guitar. I'd *really* hate to see that happen. I used to really love Peter Gabriel's flute and it's been at least 16 years since he's used it on an album. I don't know why he quit. Jeff B aka Jeffy Le Whoosh (I *LOVE* your edress!) says: > I particularly like the _Rearmament_ cover, because if you play > around with different resolutions and bits/pixel, you can come up > with some really neat abstractish stuff that people would never guess > is a face...but if you know, there's no mistaking. Fun! Cool! I wish we had ftp capabilities. I'd LOVE to have a Rearmament T-shirt!! Can't you enlarge (how large is the gif anyway? the same size as the cover?) and print out and take it to some shirt shops with the capabilities to make T-shirts from photos & things like that? Just an idea. I wish I could do it. I've already made one Happy t-shirt but I'm not pleased with it, it looks too cheesy. I want to get another one made, one that's really classy looking. Jeff, how goes DC? Do you like it there? Are there any good stations there? Klaus (Hi Klaus!!!): > Happys music finally reached me in Germany. And to summarize it for the > curious ones: > I L O V E I T !!! YAY!!!! I'm so glad! I told Happy over the phone that she had a new fan in Germany and she said "Klaus? Great!" She was really very pleased! She LOVES your name! (So do I) She may be getting in touch with you to translate a phrase for her. She has a song she's writing for HR6 :-) about 2 German girls she knows. > After listening to those two recordings by Happy I remembered these > lines from John Miles 'Music': > "Music was my first love, and it will be my last. > Music of the future and music of the past." > It's so very true. YES!! How very, very cool! That reminded me of a line from Genesis' very first album (I'm not really into Genesis anymore, but I used to be, and I still truly love many of their albums), "From Genesis To Revelation": "Music, all I hear is music, guaranteed to please" yeah! > Lots'n'lots'n'lots of thanks to Vickie for 'rolling the (snow)ball' into > Love-Hounds. It has already become a respectable avalanche. Oh you're SO VERY WELCOME!!!! Look at me, I'm getting all teary now. I'd better go before I cry all over the keyboard and jam up the works. Bless your heart Klaus! Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "Magic, all I feel is magic, guaranteed to please" paraphrased, by me 13-Jul-91 3:59:54-GMT,11464;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01394; Fri, 12 Jul 91 23:59:41 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04577; Fri, 12 Jul 91 21:21:49 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:26:42 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11651; Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:26:40 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:42 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:42 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Catching up #1 Vickie here. My three posts over in gaffa will probably cause an uproar, so I thought I'd duck over here to write comments on some things. Chris has been out of town so I haven't been able to post for a while. Some of this came from gaffa originally... I said: >> continued to sing it my way. Happy said "wait a minute, you mean >> she's NOT singing 'traveling suit'?" She had heard it that way too >> and had never checked the lyric sheet to correct it. I'm glad I'm not >> the only one! Klaus said: > Well, don't trust lyric sheets! You really can't rely on them. How often > have you found differences between the words on the paper and the words in > your ears? Probably some lyrics are printed before the final recording is > done, or an earlier version goes to print. So maybe you are right? Maybe > KaTe was singing 'travelling suit' and the lyrics are wrong. Just keep > singing 'travelling'. Hi Klaus! Yeah, I will. I agree with you anyway. This reminds me, I took some liberties with Happy's lyrics. Not many, but there are a few instances where what she wrote on the page just was *not* what I heard on the tapes. First I should tell you that the first lyrics I got from Happy were the _Ecto_ lyrics. When I was typing them in I did hear some discrepancies. When Happy sent back Michael's printouts of the 1st3's lyrics with corrections, she also sent me typewritten pages she'd already had for Vol.I & Vol. II and hand-written pages of her Rearmament lyrics. (Just wanted to see how dedicated we were Happy? :-) :-) In her lyrics to "Ally Ally Oxenfree" she wrote a line as "If you won't show for me, I won't show for you" Listening to the song, she *definitely* says "If you won't show for me, I won't *search* for you" and that's what I wrote down. You can hear the sss..errrr...ccccchhhh sounds. Another that I took the liberty of changing was in the song "To the Funnyfarm" where Happy claimed the line was "I want my teddy bear to rely on" But I'm quite sure the line is "I want my teddy bear to *lay* on" Unless she pronounces "rely" in the weirdest way ever, because it's pronounced like re-lie, re-lye, re-sky, re-buy, re-my, re-why (ooh, this is fun!) re-die, re-pie, OK, you get it. In the song, she's singing "lay" as in, say, O-Kay, Fay Wray, May Day, Pay Day, Oy Vey, etc. The others thing I changed I'm not quite so sure on. In "Wretches" she says she says "And I can lie and hide away from the people..." well, I can't hear the "I can" at all, so I cut it out. Use your own judgement. In "Off From Out..." she wrote "...they're hovering at my head" and I kept it that way the first time it's said, but the second time I changed it to "...they're *hammering* at my head" because it seemed I could hear a aaaammmmmmerrrr sound. I wouldn't place bets on it, that's just what I hear, so I changed it. You all can judge for yourself and change it back if you wish. One (of two) I *wanted* to change but didn't because I knew Happy was right :-) was in the song "Possessed" when she sings "Come feel the pain of *sores* that never heal" I'd always thought she sang "*souls*" and that's how I still sing it. the other is in "One Alien" where "unalien to one" is SO terrific, but I still like my original thought of "a million to one". When I sing it now, I alternate the phrases. How presumptious, but I can't help it. I sang "souls" and "a million to one" for nearly 3 years!! While I'm at it, I still can't hear the "hor" sound in the line "I hear horses running by" in INAINA, sounds like "noises", or sometimes even "voices", to me. Also, "lying" (with the worms) in The Revelation sounds totally strange to me. Sounds more like "loving" to these ears. Yikes! This reminds me, lyrics in "'Till the Dawn Breaks" need to be changed. I did _Rearmament_ directly from the printouts and Happy didn't notice that the chorus was wrong. There were no corrections there and I didn't notice until after they'd been posted, and I was looking at her original hand-written (don't get excited, photocopies of) lyrics that the choruses should be: ====================================================== 1st Feel the night, live the night 'Til the dawn breaks Feel the night, live the night 'Til the dawn breaks 2nd Feel the night, live the night 'Til the dawn breaks Feel the night, live the night 'Til the dawn breaks 3rd Oh I feel the night, I feel the night 'Til the dawn breaks Oooh feel the night, Ohh live the night 'Til the dawn breaks In other words, take out any "lights" that appeared in the choruses. Ooops! Enough of lyrics, for now. Does anyone else think it's strange that many people in gaffa wrote these sentiments: > The Happy traffic as it stands is _not_ enough for it's own list, > The traffic should slope down to a normal level for musical artists > in love-hounds/gaffa. It has already. > I think if the discussion is dropped there won't be any more fur being > rubbed the wrong way. The Happy discussion should equalize. Can anyone > honestly say that the Happy traffic in the future will be in enough bulk > to justify a mailing list? From what I can tell... How silly. People bitch about Happy posts, so people quit posting about Happy, so people say the level's dropped so why have a mailing list? Ha Ha! Huh? I am VERY glad this list was started. The posts on gaffa WILL die down once the posts about posts about posts about posts thing is over. I for one want to keep talking about her a LOT. Thankfully you all do too! Most of what I have to say *isn't* suitible for gaffa, I know that. Like this... Jorn wrote: >> Hmmm... Nobody cares? or everybody but me thought it was obvious? >> She's making warpaint-stripes with her fingers... Greg wrote: > i thought it was the cub scout salute... ;-} gone awry! > Re covers: does Happy paint regularly? are there more of those > terrifying monsteroid portraits sitting in her living room? color > inserts do add to the cost, but if any of the earlier albums end up > on CD, i hope we get more of these pictures... Kiri answered this but I'll confirm it. Happy said she has *tons* of monster paintings in her apartment! She never said this, it's just wishful thinking, but maybe someday we'll get a book of her paintings. Wouldn't that be GREAT??? "Coffee Table Monsteroids" by Happy Rhodes! Klaus wrote: > Does anybody know if Happy likes reading, and what she is reading? > 'Phobos' and 'Wrong Century' gave me the impression that she's into > reading SF. If nobody comes up with an answer I would like to ask > Vickie to put that onto her list of interview-questions. Yes, Happy loves Science Fiction and Philosophy. She likes Frank Herbert and Arthur C. Clark. When I asked her she had just finished reading _Mercedes Nights_ by Mike Weaver and she thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm so glad, because Mike is a friend of mine. I sent him and his wife Angel a tape compilation of Happy's music and they fell in love, bought all the tapes and the CD. Angel's been busy sending all her friends compilations now too! ----- non-Happy, but happy nontheless, interlude ---- Mike and Angel will (hopefully) be getting on the net so I'd like like to give you a little background on them if ya'all don't mind. Mike and Angel are Kate fans. They also love Jane Siberry, Mike more. Mike once went to a Jane Siberry concert and got on an elevator. Who should be on the elevator but Jane herself! Mike sputtered for something to say and came up with "You're almost as good as Kate Bush!" He was SO embarrassed, and apologised all over the place, saying that he'd been a Kate Bush fan for many years uh uh uh...She just laughed and said that she liked Kate too. She was very understanding about it. She's so sweet! Chris and I met Mike back in the Break-Through days. At that time he lived in St. Louis, we lived in Kansas City and he'd come to visit us every now and then. He went up to Winnipeg with us for the '84 Kate-Con. Mike used to write for BT all the time. Anyone who has any old copies will find his name in there a lot. He is a musician and an author. He moved to Danville, Virginia and met and married Angel. He had wanted to interview and write an article about Peter Reich and got hold of Peter's literary agent. Peter still writes gardening articles (or at least, he used to) but nothing else. _A Book Of Dreams_ was his only full-length book. Peter's agent tried to get Mike an interview but Peter said no. Too bad, but Mike and the agent (I've forgotten her name) got to talking and she found out that Mike was an author too. She asked him to send her some material and loved it. Loved it so much that she became his agent and got him a book contract!! So far he's published 5 novels. Two are Science Fiction, _Mercedes Nights_ and _My Father, Myself_ and a Fantasy trilogy, _Wolf Dreams_, _Nightreaver_ and _Bloodfang_, about a woman (Thyri) who is "cursed with the hated gift of the werebeast and nothing could free her. With her heart pumping wolf-blood, she lusted to kill. Cast into an alien realm, a mystical warrior was her only hope against the ancient evil that tormented her..." which is a silly blurb from the sleeve notes, but is MUCH better than that makes it sound. The herione is really interesting! I don't like fantasy that much yet I really liked these, and I'm not just saying that because he's a friend. _Mercedes Nights_ is my favorite. The herione (Mercedes) is a Madonna-esque (but much more respected) "vidstar" who gets cloned without her knowledge and has to contend with several exact duplicates running around causing havoc in her name! It's not hard to find, because we even saw it at a little branch of the Chicago Public Library near our apartment. Kate's even mentioned in it. I'll have to re-read it and find the context, I don't remember. It even got selected once as the feature for the British Science Fiction Book-Of-The-Month Club. Kate strikes again!! Mike hasn't been able to make a living at writing or as a musician (speaking of...Kevin might put out some of Mike & Angel's music on Aural Gratification) so they live now outside of Washington DC, where Mike works as a computer consultant. I do hope they get on the net. Angel especially, she'd go nuts with fun!! She's so wonderful and is totally head-over-heels in love with Kate and Happy! Jeff Burka, have you gotten in contact with them yet???? Angel's dying to talk to you!! I'll write more later... Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "You can't know them like you know yourself. I know. I know." HTR 13-Jul-91 4:00:00-GMT,12918;000000000011 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01419; Fri, 12 Jul 91 23:59:53 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04585; Fri, 12 Jul 91 21:22:06 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:26:54 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11663; Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:26:52 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:56 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:56 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Catching up #3 Vickie here. Just stuff... Kiri writes: > Happy has three cats Xena, Shorty, and Barney Parker. The song > "Terra Incognita" is about Barney Parker. Hmmm the song seems > to make a lot more sense seen from a cat's eye! ABSOLUTELY! I thought it was from a child's point of view, but it still didn't seem quite right. Thinking "cat" made me go aaaahhhhyes! "Close they eyes, I wake in much surprise...I see a little sparkle there, I'll wait and then fly through the air" Oh yeah! Anyone who has cats will understand. So who has cats? What are their names? We've got 2. They're both pure white and were both found as strays. The first I found at work (back in Kansas City) when he kept setting off the alarm in the garage, where he was hiding. He was such a tiny little thing, and SO scared! Our computer system's password was HARV 01, so I named him... "Harvo"! The VERY next day we found the other one sitting in the middle of the street in front of our house. He's not real bright (or, as Chris puts it "dumber than a box of rocks!") and Chris says the cat sitting there was a perfect example of "Evolution In Action" ('hit me, so I won't breed') but we thwarted the evolutionary process and took him in. We put up flyers all over the neighborhood and, thinking someone would claim him, didn't want to name him (didn't want to get attached, you know) so we just called him "The Other One". Well, no one claimed him and that's still his name! We call him Otto for short, when we bother to call him anything. Cats never come to their names anyway! Harvo is a short hair and Otto is a long hair. Is this topic totally boring to everyone? I know mjm will hate this thread, he's allergic to cats, poor guy! Kiri, I LOVED your write-up about Vol.I!! That was so nice, thank you! I think "Oh The Drears" is my favorite song too, though it's SO hard to pick favorites. With Happy, once you know all the songs well, it really does tend to be a "whatever I'm listening to" sort of thing. Steve caught this too: [ Kate's early self-made demo tapes are sent to major record companies. ] >> All the major companies are approached. None accepts. >> Kate's songs are described as "morbid", "boring" and "uncommercial". ^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Hmm, there's been much the same reaction to another > artist's early work in some places lately. But I won't > name names :-). Bravo Steve!! I hope Happy has good fortune too. Ken B. didn't agree with the "morbid" part, but he's never heard the 1st4. He did agree with the "boring" part. Pfffft! Actually, I don't agree, but I understand what he means. Other people, not on gaffa, have said this to me, that there are no fast-paced songs, and so they all seem to sound the same. True if you only listen to the album once, but of course they separate and become individually identifiable with multiple listens. Still, I noticed when I first heard the album that there were no "Possessed" or "Drears"-paced songs. Happy says she kind of (just a little bit, not much) regrets that, so maybe the next album will have a couple of movers on it. We'll see...:-) someday :-(. Ken didn't agree with the "uncommercial" part either and neither do I, for Warpaint, but the above refers to the Cathy demos, which I think the 1st4 are more akin to, and there are definitely no commercial songs on them. Jessica writes all about her trip and meeting H&K: > deleted, but every bit truly, truly wonderful!!!!! WOW! I'm SO glad you did get to meet them!! I'm jealous too!! Doesn't Happy have the most wonderful voice? Kevin too! They are so nice! I've talked to them since you met and they really, really liked you. Happy thinks you're so beautiful! They did have a great time and would like to meet you're grandmother, who, like Jeff A says, sounds *way* cool! > Certainly, we have seen a picture of happy on Warpaint, but she does > look *very* different in person. I have one other photo of Happy (other than the one on Rearmament, which doesn't really count :-) and she does look different from Warpaint. It's posed too (it's a publicity still) and I'd really, really love to see your photos, because I'd love to see her look natural. The one I have has Kevin in it too (from their Bartlett/Rhodes days) and it's nice to see him, but they both look so *serious*! I want to see them smiling. > ... how they can get connected to the network. Kevin has an amiga and > a modem, and wants to know what to do. He is very interested in getting > hooked up to the internet somehow. Happy didn't seem too interested - i'm > not sure she sees any point in it. Back when we were on The World, we gave H&K our password and they dialed up to see what it was like. Even though we gave them instructions on what to do, and they did do very well, it was still freaky for them. Unix is weird for 1st time users (it took us 2 *months* before we figured out how to post!) so they haven't tried it again. I think Chris did give them the NIXPUB listings for their area. Happy would be interested in gaffa (as long as she isn't being discussed, getting printouts is one thing, to "tune in" and see your name all the time would be weird), because she's such a big Katefan, and the other music groups, because she's so passionate about lots of other music too, but really wouldn't have much time for it. Kevin either, he's busier than she is at the moment. I kind of doubt that she'd subscribe to Ecto, even if she had access. (I know that Kevin would want to though :-) It's weird for her as it is. I try to put myself in her place and think how it would be if total strangers (most of them) were talking about you all the time. She talks to me on the phone and bits of conversations get turned into posts. She's never said anything about that, though she knows it happens. If there's a question, all I have to do is pick up the phone and ask it. It is weird. We've agreed that some things need to be kept secret, like the "oriental man" lines. She can't just give away everything, now can she? We have access to her in a way that NO OTHER mailing list (that I know of) has of their artist. We're privileged, but we have to keep perspective. People often wonder if "Kate reads gaffa" and say they want her to, but think about it. Would half the stuff that gets written, get written, if we *knew* that Kate was reading every word? I don't think so. Has anyone been reluctant to write anything (good or bad) knowing that Happy gets print- outs? I hope not!! We have to strike a balance and work it out for ourselves. I hope no one will hold anything back. The day may come when she will get bored with the printouts (though Kevin won't, hey, he's a fan too! :-) and just not read any more. It *won't* be that whe'll get tired of *US*. She thinks we're great and she appreciates every one of us!!! That will always continue, but she's shy, and hardly an egomaniac. It's nice for her to read the enthusiastic responses to her work, and reading them won't give her a big head ("I Am A Legend" was written in reaction to *total apathy*) just as reading bad things won't depress her into oblivion! But it has to get boring for *her* after a while, seeing discussions of the kinds of things *I* want to discuss. We'll see. In the meantime, just forget that Happy's reading and treat this like any other mailing list. But do have the pleased glow of knowing that we can have most :-) of our questions answered within hours or days. That's very nice, and Ecto is very special because of it! back to Jessica: > They talked about wanting to release the first 4 on cd, and that > it will cost $12,000 to do all four, so they may start with just the > first two. Make back the money, then do the second two. If they do it > at all. they're not sure they'll continue to release them. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I *DID* call Kevin about this. No worries, he said the 1st4 will ALWAYS be available in some form or another. Whew! Don't scare me like that!! > Kevin says they'll probably put extra tracks on each if they put them > on cd. I agreed that it was a good idea. It's a Truly Grand Idea! > Happy didn't seem *too* thrilled :) I think the expense is worrisome. I know she has unreleased tracks she's fond of, perfect for bonus tracks. > i am absoultely forbidden to let anyone see them until she has seem > them and says it's ok. She said "I can just see it, i'll be a > background on everyone's computer!". I said "Yup!! most likely!" I spilled the beans about gifs :-) If I could use them I'd love to have them! > How many people would be seriously intersted in going to > massachussetts to see her? I'd like to get an idea of just how > feasable it would be. (I often come up with ideas that just aren't :) Excuse me while I do a Lucy....Waaaaaaahhhh! We probably won't be able to come, though I'd LOVE to! Please someone videotape this. It might make Happy uncomfortable, but I'll ask. She's got to get used to cameras anyhoo :-) Jeff A writes: > 1. I can understand Happy's feelings about what happened on Gaffa, > but it's nearly impossible to explain to someone about the net that > they shouldn't take such things personally, and that these irrelevant > little-minded flame wars sprout up all the time (I mean in groups, > not just gaffa). She should try to look on the bright side; she now > has her own mailing list, no small shakes for an artist without a > record contract. Hopefully Happy isn't dwelling on this much. I don't think so. She's bummed, and orders have slowed to a trickle, but she did get lots of new fans and you all will tell other people, who'll tell...! I told her of the personalities involved and she understands that side of it. Plus, she's got this mailing list, which wouldn't have happened if no one had complained. I think I did impress on her just how *important* and *wonderful* having her own mailing list is. That remind me, Jessica, are you in a position to start an Alt. group? I don't know how one goes about doing it, but I know there's none of the voting rigamarole that has to happen for a Rec. group. How cool, it's just wishful thinking, but I love the thought of alt.music.ecto which I like better than alt.music.happy because with happy someone might pass over it thinking it's a Debby Boone newsgroup :-) Ecto is intriguing and interesting and would get people to give it a scan, I think. It would have to be like rec.music.gaffa, in that the same things go into each group. It would have to be moderated then. Does anyone know anything about this sort of thing? It would be nice for people like Ron Hill, who expressed disappointment because he can't get e-mail. Just a thought.... > 2. It's sort of sad that Happy and Kevin kept asking "what you wanted". > What were their expectations? Maybe they're not used to having fans > outside of Albany I'm sure this wasn't meant in an suspicious or paranoid way. They *aren't* used to having fans outside Albany, except me, and they're used to my gushing & stuff :-) but I think they just wanted to make sure (Jessica) wasn't holding back on asking them anything (like for an autograph) out of shyness or not wanting to bother them or something. Klaus sez (American slang spelling NOT to be taken seriously!): > Yeah, thats great! I'd like to see them on CD. _Much_more_ I would > like to see money and effort put to a new CD, though. What a dilemma! I'd love to see both things happen. I imagine that's what Happy herself would like to see too. She said she was hurrying with the writing of songs so that if she *did* get signed to a major label, she'd have an album ready to be recorded. She wants total creative control and being ready and on the ball is one way to keep on top of things, so they can't tell her what to do or what "kinds" of songs she should record. I'm not finished yet, but I should try to keep these somewhat (Ha!) short and manageable. so, until next page, adieu. Vickie (one of Vickie & Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "Not for me, brutal simplicity. Sane insincerity" Happy 13-Jul-91 4:01:14-GMT,16080;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01466; Sat, 13 Jul 91 00:00:07 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA04587; Fri, 12 Jul 91 21:22:08 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:28:28 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA11684; Fri, 12 Jul 91 19:28:26 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Fri, 12 Jul 91 18:00 CDT Message-Id: Date: Fri, 12 Jul 91 18:00 CDT From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Catching up #5 Vickie here, More stuff... Mitch, are you there? Where do you live? Do you know Jorn's phone number or mine??? I had no idea you lived around here. Let's talk. My work number is (312) 281-8444. ****I might have to put you on hold a million times**** during the conversation, but I'd still like to say hi! Angelos writes re a Boston area concert: > Maybe it can get organized for say around Halloween (and use Happy's > monsters for advertising posters). (Yeah, dream on Angelos...) It could > also be a concert/discussion type thing. Oh that sounds just too wonderful for words! What a great idea!! So c'mon, c'mon, c'mon, what think you of Vol. II? :-) Jessica, being her sweet, wonderful self, writes: > have been listening to ecto on headphones > can finally hear it all > it's just brilliant. > the whole album i mean. > really wonderful. Ditto big time! I love to hear reactions about all of Happy's albums, but especially Ecto, because it was the first album I got and it's still my favorite. Isn't that last little "chime" on "Would That I Could" great? The circus-like celebration of love on "If Love Is A Game, I Win"?, The awesome power of "I Won't Break Down" and "I Cannot Go On"? The mind-bending experience of "To Be E. Mortal"? The sheer beauty of "Ode" and "Project 499"? The confusion of "If So"? The utter creepiness of "I'm Going Back"? The *really* utter creepiness of "Off >From Out From Under Me"? The hope expressed in "Ecto"? The words-can't- describe-how-much-I-love-this-song-iness of "Don't Want To Hear It"? and the pissed "get real" tone of "Poetic Justice"? Huh? That wasn't a review, which shows why I can't write reviews. I could never shake my tendency of "MY GOD, THAT WAS BRILLIANT" writing :-) Not when it comes to Happy (or Kate or Jane). Subjective? Me? Never!! It gets me in trouble *all* the time :-) Did you catch where I said in my post that Happy wrote, recorded and mixed Ecto in *2 WEEKS*? Whatta gal! "Off From Out From Under Me" is about a real person, fictionalized somewhat, of course. The same guy she writes about in "Asylum Master". This is another story I'd like to see her write about. I said to Kevin how wonderful it must feel to hear a song like "If Love Is A Game, I Win" and know it's about him and he heartily agreed. Then he said "Then I hear a song like "If So" and and go 'uh oh, am I in trouble?' and Happy said, 'no no, that's not about you'" How funneee! In Happy's original lyrics to "To Be E. Mortal" she only wrote "Oh to be, die to be, want to be" but, because I heard it, I added the "Live to be" too. It's a very important piece of the puzzle. I told Happy that, when I played that song on my last (what I thought would be) live-in-the-studio-before-moving-to-Chicago Suspended In Gaffa show, it was a total fluke. It was a 6-hour female music marathon and for all of the last hour I only played Happy. When I realized I was out of time and I had to talk, "Poetic Justice" was just finishing up. I started saying my goodbyes as "To Be E. Mortal" started playing. I kept the song playing as I talked, just turning it down a little. It was almost 5 o'clock in the morning and I was *VERY* tired. I was going away and would (probably) never come back. I was going to miss my family, the city, the station, being live on the air and most especially, for that moment, my wonderful listeners. It was a very emotional time and I started crying during the "sign off". I knew I would, but I just couldn't help it. I said my final goodbye and then let the rest of the song finish playing before shutting down the station. It was the perfect song to be playing. For Happy, I vowed that as long as I had a breath in me, I would tell people about her and not let her be forgotten. For myself, as long as one person could answer the question "How did you hear of... (any great female artist, preferably Kate, Jane or Happy) with "I was listening to this weird radio show one night..." then, in a way, I'd be E. Mortal too. The perfect song for the perfect ending. Actually, though, it wasn't the end. The next Saturday we were supposed to be on our way to Chicago, but we couldn't get the rental truck until Sunday. Sue, my replacement (the wonderful lady who gives up an hour of her time now so that SIG can still air) got sick, knew we were still in town and called me frantically asking if I could do the show. I tore open already packed boxes and dug through to get two hours worth of music. I raced down to the station and got there just in time. I had been in such a hurry that I forgot The Dreaming so I didn't have my theme song! I found Lionheart in the station library and played "Wow" instead. Further on into the show I played "Dreamtime" (I hadn't packed my 7" singles yet) and only then realized that that song was the B-side to.....yup..."Suspended In Gaffa"!! Pfffft! Ahhh, memories! Anyway, I really,really,really love Ecto, and I hope everyone else does/will too! Jessica actually says: > ...two responses asking about what i was listening too, > and i sent them each back an explanation (long, i tend > to ramble) and one of them has sent back already Ramble? You say in just a few words what would take me pages and pages!!! I'd love to see how you explained Happy to someone unfamiliar with all the gaffa hoopla. Please consider posting it. I'm also interested in how you explained Happy's music to Larry Spence. He seemed very satisfied with what you wrote. May I ask what list it is? (none of my business, but if you're willing to say). I really envy your brevity, but I want to hear you say more. When you do talk you're always so interesting! > It's very exciting to find the number of people who > know of/like Happy to be constantly growing. Oh yes, I'm thrilled!!! Gregory Bossert (one of the two people who got interested in Happy because I played "Don't Want To Hear It" for them in England at the Convention, well, after the convention, at a nice little restaurant, well, after we'd eaten, outside, walking away, me going "Wait, you can't go until I've played some Happy for you!!"): > any of you lucky souls who have met Happy and Kevin know what kind of > equipment they use? (i.e. synths, computers/sequencers, etc.) you > know, i actually *like* all those cheap synth sounds on the tapes -- > i think the 'tension' between the folky guitar and the bweepy keyboards > adds to the off-kilter effect of the songs... Don't know about the equipment. I'll ask them. The synth sounds don't bother me at all either, because she uses them so creatively. For a long time I *was* bothered by the sounds in "The Issue Is" and "Box H.A.P" but not any more. (Really, Jeff B) I've finally grown used to them and can listen to the songs without any problems now. God, her lyrics and voice are so terrific, I don't know why I didn't give these songs the chance they deserved! My loss, for all the time I skipped over them. That unfortunate "four-month old" re-post gave a false, not-true-anymore impression. I *really* got into Rearmament after that post originally appeared, after I'd gotten the lyrics from Jeff. Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge: > Last night (while my machine at home did a 3 hour memory test) I finally > found the time to read the 'Warpaint' lyrics while listening to the CD > and try to make a connection from the music I know so well by now, to > the lyrics and the songtitles. I thought about writing about my three > favourite songs from 'Warpaint', but I can't. Half of the songs are > favourites and the other half is just one step behind. That's what happened to me. I listened to Warpaint over and over again. *Dozens* of times, before I finally picked up the lyric sheet. My favorites kept changing all the time, but seems to have settled into "Words..." "In Hiding" "All Things" then very, very close behind, alltherest!!! so I know what you mean! If I *had* to pick a "least favorite" I'd pick "Wrong Century" (even though I still like it very much) because it took me forever to get over the chorus, which I *hated* at first. I'm just not used to hearing her sing with anyone else. I got used to it, but it's my lowest point on the LP. > Has somebody noticed that "Phobos" goes into "Wrong Century"? > Any ideas about Happys intention? Just to break up the monotony of silence. She'd never done it before. That's all she said about it. > Do you see a connection between these two songs? Wrong planet-wrong century? I don't really know for sure. > Can somebody help me to understand a line in the lyrics? > I can't remember the song title, but the lines go something very close to > "Are you dancing dead, > maybe walking toast." Someone's sure to have answered this (I don't have it yet, if they have) but it's "Word's Weren't Made For Cowards" > What does "walking toast" mean? I've noticed that someone used it as a > name in gaffa too, so it must be a standing expression, but I haven't > found it in my dictionary. Woj used it, but I'm sure he got it from Happy. Interesting, I've never heard it before. I've never asked Happy. I haven't talked to her in-depth about that song yet. Scary thought, I'll write about it sometime, when I get the nerve. I think it refers to someone who's so scared they'd just crumble if someone confronted them with a problem or a dilemma or just a situation they'd rather not be in. "Dancing dead"....? Hmmm, someone who doesn't really feel the joy of life? Someone who does everything by rote, even something as "uninhibited" as dancing? I don't know. > +--- Dreaming Dreams --- by BlackMist --+--------------------------+ > | Dreaming dreams of distant places | K l a u s K l u g e | > | Where the white unicorn races | aka Unicornuus Marinus | > | through the land of wishful thinking | kkluge@Materna.DE | > | and you wake!!!!!...Blinking +--------------------------+ > | and you wonder if it was just a dream | > | or do unicorns really play, by those island streams...... | Dreams are fine but...I don't know. Sooner or later they've got to go Sorry, couldn't resist. Happy is *heavily* into dreams. I'm not, but then, I never can remember my dreams. >>>>> gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) wrote >> maybe it's just me, but it's a little disorienting to see all these >> familiar love-hound names in a different context... > No, not at all. It's just the viewpoint: > the context is not different, we're all talking about wonderful music. I agree with both. It is somewhat disorienting. Seems not even Jane Siberry has so many doubles on her mailing list. Then again, many Kate fans are Jane fans, but very few Jane fans are Kate fans. A lot of them do read gaffa just to keep up on the information about other artists mentioned, though. Any Jane is #1 fans here? Gregory, in gaffa, I think you were counted with the *yawns* with your post: > Subject: can't kill it if i spell it hahpee! > let me summarize my opinions on the Happy-taking-up-bandwidth and > LL/AACKPFT! debates: > *yawn* I honestly think some people missed your very amusing and telling Subject line and the phrase "taking-up-bandwidth". They saw the words "Happy" and "*yawn*" and thought you were bored with Hahpee. No one was using the term "yawn" until after your post appeared. It's SO funny. I think it shows how people scan and *don't* pay attention to what's really being said. One saying "I wasn't aware that anyone was griping about the lyrics" and "I didn't see the lyrics-are-coming- warnings" are fine examples! They skipped over Happy posts, no problem, but then jumped in later with posts that showed they did. I might as well say it, I *was* a bit peeved at Jon Drukman's review. At first. Then I read it closely and realized he had written one of the funniest things I'd ever read in gaffa. Everything was a "re-action" to what had appeared in gaffa. We say Happy's unique, he says she sounds like The Legendary Pink Dots. We say Happy sounds like Kate, he says she's only got a passing resemblence. We say her lyrics are deep, he says she's an art school bunny-type writer. Everything was a direct contridiction and it was halarious!! I really didn't expect him to like the music, but I was curious anyway. I'm pretty secure in the knowledge of two things though, 1) Though I'm quite sure that he really *didn't* like what he heard, I also think that if he did, he'd never admit it in a million years, because he has a "reputation" to uphold. 2) If he'd never heard of Kate Bush, if he'd never heard TD or TNW, and someone sent him TKI and LH, I have no doubt in my mind he'd feel the same "art school bunny" way about her. Me get upset? Har har!! I explained all this to Happy and we had a good laugh. I wish I'd written down all the songs I sent him, but I didn't. I made so many compilation tapes that I can't remember now what I put on each one. I "customized" them for the individuals. I put certain songs on Jenn's and Richard's that I didn't put on Jon's. VisaVersa (I know that's not how to spell it) Jon was the only one of the three who took me up on my offer, and I ended up giving the other two comps away to other people. I do remember that I tried to actually stay away from songs he'd call art school bunnyish (Happy actually thought that term was funny!) so when he said "not beautiful enough to make me cry" that's becasue I didn't put on songs like "The First To Cry", "I Have A Heart", "Project 499" and "Ode" and I didn't put songs like "Moonbeam Friends" or "If Love Is A Game, I Win". I tried to stick to the "weird" ones like "Beat It Out" and "Ecto" and "INAINA" (I love that-thanks Kiri!) and "The Issue Is". I did put "I Am A Legend" and wrote "Jon's song" beside it, but I chickened out and used white-out at the last minute! I only put three songs from Warpaint, because it scared me when he said he'd review it for X-Mag. I thought he wouldn't be able to with only three out of twelve songs. Looks like I was wrongo. Damn, I didn't know he'd presume to review 5 albums with such a small sampling. btw, I put "Words...", "All Things" and yes, I had to give him one "beautiful" song, "In Hiding". "Don't Want To Hear It" was on there, so I *know* he was lying when he said he could only hear a "passing resemblence" to Kate. That's the song she *imitated* Kate on! I did put "Wretches" on because I thought, being a musician and all, he'd appreciate that one. Oh well. Doesn't matter, I just hope the tape *does* get passed around to other people. I wish Jenn had taken me up on my offer. She's the only person who complained that I felt *truly* bad about, because I have a feeling (maybe wrong, sure) that she would like Happy. Her tastes are *so* very similar to mine. That one hurt, no kidding. God knows how long it will take, years maybe, before she's able to hear Happy on her own. I don't know if, or how much, by now, she actually *detests* the very name of "Happy Rhodes", since there have been *twice* as many posts after hers appeared than before. Ah well, life, don't talk to me about life.... Talk to me about Happysongs! Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "For every hurt my heart can feel, they try to make amends" Happy 14-Jul-91 1:48:00-GMT,1041;000000000001 Received: from omnigate.clarkson.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29062; Sat, 13 Jul 91 21:47:19 EDT Received: from clutx.clarkson.edu by omnigate.clarkson.edu id aa18249; 13 Jul 91 21:37 EDT Received: by clutx.clarkson.edu (5.54/5.17) id AA19226; Sat, 13 Jul 91 21:37:32 EDT Date: Sat, 13 Jul 91 21:37:32 EDT From: "Kirstin A. Hargie" Message-Id: <9107140137.AA19226@clutx.clarkson.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: WZRD in CHIcago Gee I hope im the first to post this: To make requests to WZRD the number is (312) 794-2861 Request.....Request.....Request to all those people in the Chicago area even if you can't quite get that 100W SUPERstation on your radio :-> After two or more weeks im almost ready to post rx to Vol. II, im finding it is the most difficult to REALLY listen to as it is extremely depressing :( At any rate those should be coming shortly. Hasta Luigi all! Kiri hargie@chinet.chi.il.us hargieka@clutx.clarkson.edu >>Im Ecto! 14-Jul-91 8:40:05-GMT,743;000000000001 Received: from presto.ig.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01101; Sun, 14 Jul 91 04:39:44 EDT Received: by presto.ig.com (5.61/1.15) id AA04793; Sun, 14 Jul 91 01:39:39 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Jul 91 1:39:37 PDT From: "John M. Relph" To: Happy Talk Subject: Wrong Century Message-Id: After careful listening to "Wrong Century" I have become convinced that the low harmony vocalist is no other than Happy herself. However, I believe she recorded the harmony at a higher tape speed, resulting in lower than normal tones when played back at the correct speed. There's something just a little odd about that low vocal... -- John 15-Jul-91 1:01:28-GMT,1303;000000000001 Received: from lewhoosh.umd.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18852; Sun, 14 Jul 91 21:01:02 EDT Received: by lewhoosh.umd.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA20027; Sun, 14 Jul 91 21:00:59 EDT Message-Id: <9107150100.AA20027@lewhoosh.umd.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Am I... Date: Sun, 14 Jul 91 21:00:58 -0400 From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu ...the only one who's dying to find out how "Oh the Drears" would sound with real strings? It's been driving me crazy the last 10 or so times I've heard the song. And as long as I'm here, just so you know (as there's been some discussion on it lately) "Lay Me Down" ties with "To Live In Your World" for best song on _Warpaint_. "Warpaint" has the best chorus, but the verses miss the mark by a tiny bit. And I, too, place _Warpaint_ as the 5th best Happy Rhodes album. This does not mean I'd be willing to give it up. "They say I've changed beyond compare..." (oh, and Vicki, no I haven't heard from anyone named Angel and/or Mike yet, but it sounds interesting) |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | 15-Jul-91 3:42:08-GMT,653;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00703; Sun, 14 Jul 91 23:41:52 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA12543; Sun, 14 Jul 91 23:41:49 EDT Date: Sun, 14 Jul 91 23:41:49 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107150341.AA12543@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: yay!! woj has sent me a number for a dialup in Troy, NY (very close to albany) from which Kevin and Happy can access the net!! I'll give them an account right away!!!! It's late right now, so i'll cal Kevin tomorrow morning and let him know! I'm so excited, thanks woj!!! jessica 15-Jul-91 4:29:18-GMT,1286;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10267; Mon, 15 Jul 91 00:29:04 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA26741; Mon, 15 Jul 91 00:28:56 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 00:28:56 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107150428.AA26741@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Yay!! way to go, woj and jessica!! maybe i'm a hopeless geek, but i think the net is molto cool beans -- i hope K&H have fun here! it would probably be a nicety to send them a copy of the intro to net news and all that kinda stuff -- though if they've seen hardcopy of ecto and gaffa maybe they're already acquainted with such oddities as smileys, IMHOs, and flame-wars (particularly that last, IMHO, 8-} ) heya Vickie! good to have you back! Indeed it was as Vickie relates: as i wandered through the white-rosy haze of the post-KonvenTion night, Vickie played a coupla Happy songs on her boombox (man, what a night!). maybe it was unfair to catch me in such a state, but i'm not complaining! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 15-Jul-91 5:38:57-GMT,10393;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA17239; Mon, 15 Jul 91 01:38:49 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20943; Mon, 15 Jul 91 01:38:48 EDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 01:38:48 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107150538.AA20943@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: wow vickie, you sure do write a lot!! I assure you i am *quite* capable of rambling as much as you! I'm not entirely certain i could maintain people's interests as well as you do for so long though! The main reason i've been less rambly than i can be, well hmm, there are a bunch of main reasons and i'd have to ramble a long time to explain them all. personally, i think if i'm going to explain it at all, then you deserve the full explanation but that would probably start somewhere around when I was five (or as Joe would say "when the earth cooled.." (hi farkle)) or so and probably this whole list is not really interested! :) I'll write that all and send it just to you vickie. But for everyone, i'll just say that work and school and marriage have been my primary responsibilities, and i just haven't got enough time for the things that are outisde those three. It's made me feel constantly overwhelmed for about the past year, and that's far too long. Over the past few months i've been trying to cut down on extraneous things that i don't need. I've just recently taken myself off every mailing list but this one, and i am reading only work related news and gaffa. *grin*. I mentioned alliance before, and vickie asked about it, so i'll mention it again. (and shark is from there! Hi jeanne!) It's a list of people who are just *there* together and for each other. Many of us write poetry and stories, and we share it with the list. You don't have to do that though, all that everyone has in common is a supportive sense of all the others. If there's anything that happens that you want to share with people, you'd generally share it there. It's a really neat group. The atmosphere is generally upbeat and happy, and discussions range everywhere from what silly thing someone did today, to what interesting thing someone read or heard today, to deeper talks of the meaning of "friendship". ANyway, one night i was unhappy, and listening to Ecto was an amazing experience. Something like that is something I share with Alliance. Thus, they heard of Happy Rhodes :) Yes, i took myself off of alliance too, but in the past week (or is it almost 2??) i've thought of so many many things i need to say to them.. so i'm going back. I got rid of everything and determined waht things *weren't* extraneous. Alliance, gaffa, and ecto :) Jeanne, i'm gonna have to write up something long for alliance so it'll be a day or two before you see me there again. Don't get to thinking i said i was going back and i'm not. I just think the group deserves a good explanation of what happened. You see, i didn't want to talk so much about not-happy-realted stuff here, but i've gone and written over a page!!!! and this is when i'm *trying* to be brief. just wait 'til i sit down and write a bunch of stuff about Happy's music .... anyway, you asked to see what i wrote to jeanne about Happy. I don't tihnk i kept a copy of what i wrote to larry spence.. i'll look.. Ok, I don't have what i sent to larry, but i have what i sent to jeanne. (larry, feel free to post what i sent you if you still have it) Here is the letter to jeanne: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jun 91 17:21:34 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu To: shark@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Subject: music hiya! Well it's a long story! (I tend to ramble, too :) The artist's name is Happy Rhodes, her parents did name her Happy. The name of the album i was listening to last night (and all day today :) is _Ecto_. I read the newsgroup rec.music.gaffa (it's a kate bush group) and a few years ago one of the people who reads/posts to that group mentioned that we should check out Happy Rhodes. But Happy doesn't have a recording contract and is barely known. I'm very hesitant to purchase music i haven't heard, let alone on just one recomendation. Vickie (who suggested happy) is a DJ in Chicago, and while there are some artists that we both like, there are some she likes a lot that i am not so interested in. But being the packrat that i am I keep any strong suggestions i read on gaffa. Then a few months ago, Happy came out with her 5th album, and this one is on CD. Vickie again posted some things very strongly suggesting this artist. A few people in the group took the plunge and ordered the album (this was the CD, _Warpaint_). Every single one of them posted vrey very very favorable reviews! So a few more people got it, and the same thing happened. So now i was vrey very curious and really wanted to hear the music myself! But i knew i wouldn't be able to unless i ordered it. The CD is actually played on a few radio stations, but i mean a "few", like 4 or 5. and none of them are anywhere near me. And i knew noone at rutgers was going to ever hear of it. There's only two of us who read the kate group and the other, dave, is even more hesitant to buy stuff he's never heard than I am. He was getting curious too though, so when i said i thought i might just order it after all, he thought it was a good idea ;). So, I ordered Warpaint, and as you can imagine, i love every bit of it. Happy has an incredibly beautiful voice, and a very wide range. She does all the vocals, and in a lot of the songs it sounds like a duet between two people because it's really hard to beleive that one person can make both sounds. Her low voice is so low i can not even sing with it sometimes, and her high voice is actually very reminiscent of kate bush. She usually uses her full range in every song. She's very imaginative and creative with her vocal arrangement. Of course, dave liked warpaint too and ordered right away, and since he has a bit more money than i do (He is also my boss :) he also ordered her first four albums, which are only on cassette. So i have them for now, because his tape deck isn't working :) The music on warpaint is more complex than on the early tapes - on the first four albums she did *EVERYTHING*, every last bit, by herself. So most of the songs are just guitar and synthesisers and a drum machine on a few of them. Her arrangements tend to be simple but it's amazing how beautiful they are. And how intricate. If you can sit and listen quietly, you hear just how much is actually going on. But the music never distracts from the vocals and lyrics, which are really the best part! All of her lyrics are meaningful. She had a very unhappy childhood, and much of that is expressed in it. But she has become a very happy person, and so that is expressed too! even the darkest songs sound beautiful! one of them is called "the perfect irony" and it goes: 1) THE PERFECT IRONY I thought I wanted to die But I barely had the time And isn't it funny How I didn't even Have the money To say goodbye? What the perfect irony And with this man I want to see the land But is my mind even? Oh I must choose to believe him Or say goodbye What the perfect irony And I want to love It's all I'm thinking of But isn't it sordid How my dreams can become distorted? Just tell me why My life's the perfect irony I can't decide If I should laugh or cry I think it's kind of funny How they say all I need Is the money To get by Goodbye Get by Oh what the perfect irony ------ It's one of my favorite songs.. That one is on "rearmament", her third album. I tihnk the strongest albums (but probably because i've heard them the most) are her first "rhodes volume 1", "ecto", and "warpaint". I haven't listened to volume 2 and rearmament as much yet, though two of my favorites (perfect irony, and a very funny song "I am a legend" are on rearmament). Anyway, since she doesn't have a record contract yet, the only way to hear is music is to order it from her! She and her boyfriend kevin have their own little "production company" to make and market their music as best they can. (kevin also makes music, i haven't heard any of his music yet, though he said he'd send me some :) The address and info is: Aural Gratifcation PO Box 8658 Academy Station Albany, NY 12208 Volume I Volume II Rearmament Ecto <-- most relaxing of all, the one i was listnening to last night. $9.95 each, on high quality tape, in Dolby B Warpaint $13.99 on CD Include $2.00 shipping and handling for the CD, $1.50 for tape. --------- The discussions about her music gre so quickly that the people on gaffa who weren't interested got a little annoyed, so I started up a mailing list for her. And an ftp site with GIFs of the album covers and lyrics, etc.. If you want to see them, or see more lyrics, take a look! They are on athos.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr/* There's a README. Vickie, who started all this in the first place, has had quite a bit of correspondence with Happy over the past few years, and told her all about what I did with the mailing list, etc.. By incredible luck, i happened to have to be in albany last wekeend, where Happy is from, so I called her and asked if i could meet her and she said "sure! lets get together for lunch!" She's really neat :) I'm so so lucky to have gotten to meet her!! I'm certian someday she'll be famous :) Well anyway, if you order _ecto_ (and or any others though i can certainly understand starting with one to see if you like it ;) and you do like it, let me know if you want to be on the mailing list! jessica ps: in either case, i want to know what you think, if you get to hear it :) ------------------------------------------------------------------- There's probably one thing in there that's not *quite* true. I say that Dave S. can be even more hesitant to buy music he's never heard than I am. But tihnking about it, though he's often hesitant, he's not always. I'm pretty certain he's got some albums he bought before hearing any of it. Well anyway i have a *ton* more to say and lots to reply to vickie and others about but it's *way* past my bedtime! :) jessica 15-Jul-91 8:07:54-GMT,2589;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02264; Mon, 15 Jul 91 04:07:32 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA00979; Mon, 15 Jul 91 01:07:27 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA00940; Mon, 15 Jul 91 01:05:43 PDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 01:05:43 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9107150805.AA00940@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: various Here I am with "Would That I Could" in the headphones and some leftover adrenaline from seeing "Terminator 2", so what the heck? Vickie's descriptions of Kate Bush, Jane Siberry, and Happy Rhodes over in rec.music.gaffa were interesting. I have my own descriptions for the way I relate to these artists. Listening to Kate Bush is like having a wild, exuberant friend who likes to pull you along on outrageous adventures and show you things you've never seen before. Listening to Happy Rhodes is like having a quiet, introverted friend who likes to talk about what they're feeling and the things that trouble them. Normally this could be kind of a drag, but Happy isn't telling you these things to get your sympathy, but to say "here's something I've been through and this is what I've learned from it." Usually in the past I've described Jane Siberry as "Laurie Anderson with much more soul" but to fit her into the current metaphor, listening to Jane Siberry is like having an intellectual friend with a sometimes strange sense of humor. I've noticed an odd pattern in how I absorbed Happy's first four albums. I ordered Vols. I and II in April, and once I got them I took immediately to Vol. I. "Oh The Drears" had a particular impact, because it resonated so well with something I remember thinking once when I was really bummed out as a child--"No matter how depressed I am now," I thought to myself, "I know that in a couple of weeks I won't be depressed anymore--boy, I really hate that." Even though I've lost some of that childhood resiliency, hearing "Oh the drears / of knowing that I'll make it through" gave me my very first experience of "How can this Happy Rhodes person be so dead-on about some of the things I think and feel?" Anyway, I got distracted. In the first pair of albums I ordered, I took to Vol. I first and found Vol. II unenticing but gradually got to liking it just as much. Then I ordered _Rearmament_ and _Ecto_, and _Rearmament_ was the one I really liked at first, but now I'm starting to warm up to _Ecto_. 15-Jul-91 11:21:10-GMT,2546;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA18442; Mon, 15 Jul 91 07:20:55 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA25849; Mon, 15 Jul 91 07:20:47 EDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 07:20:47 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107151120.AA25849@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: current members Hiya. Vickie asks who we all are. :) There's one person (plus "art" :) for whom I don't have a "Real Name" so I'll just list the email addresses. If you don't mind us knowing your real name, let me know! But it's certainly not neccessary, if anyone wishes to be somewhat anonymous. anyway, this is ecto: (and if you notice any typos in your name, also let me know! I'm pretty infamous for my typing. speed's ok, but accuracy is *terrible*) jessica@athos.rutgers.edu (jessica) steiner@bakerst.rutgers.edu (Dave Steiner) dembski@remus.rutgers.edu (Joseph Dembski) jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu (Jeff Burka) dnb@meshugge.media.mit.edu (David N. Blank) art@cs.sfu.ca (art) U15289@uicvm.bitnet (Mitch Pravatiner) Jeff.Abbott@hub.dsg.ti.com (Jeff Abbott) awphili@cs.vu.nl (Albert Philipsen) lcliffor@cc7.bbn.com (Laura Clifford) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Mapes) hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) barger@ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) stern@chem.nwu.edu (mjm) tara@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu (Tara Madhyastha) tj@cs.ucla.edu (Tom Johnson) larry@csccat.cs.com (Larry Spence) stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) danielse@stdim.xstor.com (Daniel Segel) kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) rjk5984@cec1.wustl.edu (Bob Kollmeyer) kkluge@Materna.DE (Klaus Kluge) dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) cole0001@dukemc.mc.duke.edu (Robert Cole) jlueck@nuacvm.acns.nwu.edu (Jeff Lueck) py64725@cc.tut.fi (Perttu Yli-Krekola) dave@mars.njit.edu (Dave Michaels) sofmac@athos.rutgers.edu (Sofus Macskassy) cmfb@lotus.cray.com (Chris Bone) relph@presto.ig.com (John M. Relph) gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) shark@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Jeanne B Schreiter) wong1@rpi.edu (Barry Wong) sean@s.ms.uky.edu (Sean Casey) woj@remus.rutgers.edu (Rob Woiccak) jsjea2@alaska.bitnet 15-Jul-91 14:31:26-GMT,1149;000000000001 Received: from RUTGERS.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06472; Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:31:10 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) with UUCP id AA18919; Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:16:07 EDT Received: from gargoyle.uchicago.edu by oddjob.uchicago.edu Mon, 15 Jul 91 07:59:58 -0500 Received: by gargoyle.uchicago.edu (4.0/1.14) id AA12328; Sun, 14 Jul 91 23:22:35 CDT Received: by chinet.chi.il.us (/\==/\ Smail3.1.21.1 #21.4) id ; Sun, 14 Jul 91 23:02 CDT Message-Id: Date: Sun, 14 Jul 91 23:02 CDT From: hargie@chinet.chi.il.us (Kirstin Hargie) To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: re: oh the drears YES i would love to hear lots of Happy songs with real strings. Isn't Oh the Drears the song that makes you bounce up and down, dance all over the place in a fit of spine-tingling excitement.. it gives me the "shivers and quivers."?? Lay Me Down is definitely one fantastic song...so perfect ;)! Kiri theonelookingforenvirotoxgradschools!ugghandwhatasearchitis! Eenie meenie minny moo let's all step on Dan Quayles toe! 15-Jul-91 14:59:32-GMT,1307;000000000001 Received: from TI.COM by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10727; Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:59:13 EDT Received: from [128.247.160.56] by ti.com id AA03946; Mon, 15 Jul 91 09:59:59 -0500 Received: from axis.dsg.ti.com by tilde id AA26880; Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:00:07 -0500 Received: from sqa.dsg.ti.com by axis.dsg.ti.com with SMTP (5.59/LAI-3.2) id AA08212; Mon, 15 Jul 91 09:59:48 CDT Received: by sqa.dsg.ti.com (5.59/LAI-3.2) id AA18731; Mon, 15 Jul 91 09:57:49 CDT From: jeff@sqa.dsg.ti.com (jeff abbott (TB02)) Message-Id: <9107151457.AA18731@sqa.dsg.ti.com> Subject: Re: oh the drears To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 9:57:46 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] Kristin writes: >YES i would love to hear lots of Happy songs with real strings. >Isn't Oh the Drears the song that makes you bounce up and down, I think "Oh the Drears" would sound awesome arranged as a string quartet. Might be the kind of work that Kronos Quartet (a very modern, San Francisco based string group) might do. They play Philip Glass, Jimi Hendrix, jazz great Ornette Coleman, along with less known classical composers. Later, Jeff (who likes classical, jazz, AND happy) -- Jeff Abbott Texas Instruments, Inc. 512-250-4323 Internet Jeff.Abbott@hub.dsg.ti.com TI MSG %TB02@hub.dsg.ti.com 15-Jul-91 15:22:05-GMT,2651;000000000001 Received: from TI.COM by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14194; Mon, 15 Jul 91 11:21:23 EDT Received: from [128.247.160.56] by ti.com id AA04354; Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:22:09 -0500 Received: from axis.dsg.ti.com by tilde id AA28574; Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:22:19 -0500 Received: from sqa.dsg.ti.com by axis.dsg.ti.com with SMTP (5.59/LAI-3.2) id AA08692; Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:22:00 CDT Received: by sqa.dsg.ti.com (5.59/LAI-3.2) id AA18890; Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:19:59 CDT From: jeff@sqa.dsg.ti.com (jeff abbott (TB02)) Message-Id: <9107151519.AA18890@sqa.dsg.ti.com> Subject: Re: Jane and Happy To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 10:19:57 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] Jessica says: >> It's very exciting to find the number of people who >> know of/like Happy to be constantly growing. and Vickie responds: >Oh yes, I'm thrilled!!! I played Vol 1 for a friend who has a middling interest in Kate's music (she likes the later albums, but doesn't like the earlier stuff--to each their own) and she was interested in Happy. I gave her the ordering info for Aural, and we'll see! (She likes "I'm Not Awake. . ." the best. Also my favorite!) later in the same post, Vickie writes: [re seeing some of the same names in gaffa and ecto] >It is somewhat disorienting. Seems not even Jane Siberry has so many >doubles on her mailing list. Then again, many Kate fans are Jane fans, >but very few Jane fans are Kate fans. A lot of them do read gaffa just >to keep up on the information about other artists mentioned, though. >Any Jane is #1 fans here? Vickie, I got my first ever Jane CD this past week, _The Walking_. I have a feeling this isn't the Jane CD to begin with. I had never heard Jane's music before, and I thought after the first listen, "Well, that was weird." I did like the first song on the CD, "The White Tent the Raft", although I have no clue as to what the song is about. After listening to the CD, I felt disappointed. My initial impression was "weird for the sake of being weird". I'm still planning on giving the CD some additional listens though. . .maybe I missed something the first time around. [Of course, my first Kate album was _The Dreaming_. . .you can imagine what I thought of that the first time! Put on Texas drawl: "what thuh HAAAAILLLLL is this? :-)] I realize Jane isn't really topical to ecto, but I do have some questions about her music. Does someone have the info for the Jane Siberry mailing list? If so, can you email it to me. Thanks in advance. Later, Jeff -- Jeff Abbott Texas Instruments, Inc. 512-250-4323 Internet Jeff.Abbott@hub.dsg.ti.com TI MSG %TB02@hub.dsg.ti.com 15-Jul-91 15:43:35-GMT,542;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA16948; Mon, 15 Jul 91 11:43:14 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28550; Mon, 15 Jul 91 11:43:12 EDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 11:43:12 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107151543.AA28550@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: working listening i am at work listening to volume 2 and rearmament over and over so i get to know them better and i *definitely* like them both very much. :) jessica 15-Jul-91 16:03:28-GMT,1108;000000000001 Received: from a.cs.uiuc.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19477; Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:03:07 EDT Received: from melodian.cs.uiuc.edu by a.cs.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28394 (5.64+/IDA-1.3.4 for ecto@athos.RUTGERS.EDU); Mon, 15 Jul 91 11:02:58 -0500 Received: by melodian.cs.uiuc.edu (4.1/9.7) id AA04143; Mon, 15 Jul 91 11:02:58 CDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 11:02:58 CDT Message-Id: <9107151602.AA04143@melodian.cs.uiuc.edu> From: tara@cs.uiuc.edu (Tara Madhyastha) In-Reply-To: jeff abbott (TB02)'s message of Jul 15, 10:19am. X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (6.4 2/14/89) To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Jane and Happy I'm a Jane is #1 fan who liked Kate Bush best first. Now it's really really close, but after hearing Jane's very first self-titled album I am leaning towards Jane. That's a great album to start with -- it is very representative of Jane's style without being "too weird or too folky". No Borders Here is also very silly and fun. keeping up with Gaffa (and now ecto) is a much better way of hearing about new artists than wading through the larger groups. tara 15-Jul-91 16:43:26-GMT,2112;000000000001 Received: from ATHENA.MIT.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24122; Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:43:09 EDT Received: from M66-309-1.MIT.EDU by ATHENA.MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA21821; Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:43:18 EDT From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Received: by m66-309-1.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA22555; Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:43:00 -0400 Message-Id: <9107151643.AA22555@m66-309-1.MIT.EDU> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: WFNX in Boston/ Best of Happy Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:42:58 EDT Hi, First a radio-related Happy issue. Does WFNX have a copy of Warpaint? Whenever I request a song from it, I usually get nothing played, and it makes me wonder... If Happy and Kevin haven't already sent a copy, then they should, and they should address it to 'Juanita the scene queen' who is in charge of local music, and has a show called 'Boston Rocks' where she even invites local musicians for mini-interviews and live in studio appearances. If they are keen on promoting Happy's music, it's a step they should definitely take, IMHO. On another note, I finished my 'best of .. Happy' tape. No, it's not a 5hour tape... It's a compact selection of her best songs (IMHO again). I will take this to Greece with me, and give a copy to a friend who works in a music magazine, whose chief editor is the most influential radio DJ in Greece (he broke Kate Bush, Lene Lovich, Violent Femmes etc to the Greek record buying public) and an executive of Virgin Greece Records. Hopefully he will somehow listen to the tape. Here are the songs: Side A Side B ----------------------------------- ------------------------------------ Possessed The wretches gone awry Would that I could Ecto Off from out from under me Project 499 I am a legend Words weren't made for cowards Waking up Warpaint Lay me down In hiding Under and over the brink Oh the Drears Poetic Justice Come here Til the dawn breaks The perfect Irony Phobos I won't break down Wrong Century Don't want to hear it This will probably be my last post for the next month! Have a nice August everyone, and Happy KaTemas! Angelos 15-Jul-91 16:47:16-GMT,738;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA24614; Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:46:52 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29103; Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:46:49 EDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:46:49 EDT From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107151646.AA29103@athos.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: yum! Angelos, if i made a tape of favorites it would be *very* similar!!!! Wow, i might even make a tape with those songs on it just to be able to listen to them all together! Seriously, i tihnk it's a very good selection and in a very good order. If i make some tapes to send to people to get them to listen to happy, i might just borrow that listing.. jessica 15-Jul-91 17:10:40-GMT,915;000000000001 Received: from meshugge.media.mit.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27726; Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:10:18 EDT Received: by meshugge.media.mit.edu (4.1/DA1.0.2) id AA17574; Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:16:42 EDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:16:42 EDT From: David N. Blank Message-Id: <9107151716.AA17574@meshugge.media.mit.edu> To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu's message of Mon, 15 Jul 91 12:42:58 EDT <9107151643.AA22555@m66-309-1.MIT.EDU> Subject: WFNX in Boston/ Best of Happy > Does WFNX have a copy of Warpaint? I'm fairly sure they do. When I got my order from AG, Kevin specifically asked if I would pester them to play selections from Warpaint. > Whenever I request a song from it, I usually get nothing played, and > it makes me wonder... Many things about WFNX make me wonder. Peace, dNb 15-Jul-91 17:14:54-GMT,1070;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA28271; Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:14:36 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17) id AA22132; Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:14:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:14:32 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107151714.AA22132@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: WFNX in Boston/ Best of Happy Angelos (heya!) asks: > Does WFNX have a copy of Warpaint? Happy says they do, but 'FNX just tells me "it's not on the play list..." i *think* i mentioned juanita the scene queen (love that!) in a note to H&K -- i agree that she is the best bet at WFNX... the happiest hits tape for Greece sounds like a great idea!!! it'd be a gas if Happy became a huge star in Greece -- wouldn't be the first american musician to be really famous only overseas... footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 15-Jul-91 18:28:58-GMT,2240;000000000001 Received: from Chip.CS.UCLA.EDU by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01038; Mon, 15 Jul 91 14:28:39 EDT Message-Id: <9107151828.AA01038@aramis.rutgers.edu> Date: 15 Jul 91 11:30:22 U From: "Tom Johnson" Subject: Re: Catching up #5 To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Reply to: RE>Catching up #5 Hello all-- Just a few comments before I go back to my mac programming. Long ago someone asked: >> Has somebody noticed that "Phobos" goes into "Wrong Century"? >> Any ideas about Happys intention? and Vickie responded: >Just to break up the monotony of silence. She'd never done it before. >That's all she said about it. And now I add in my two cents. I asked Happy about this in the letter I included with my order for the 4 tapes. She answered that the "Phobos"/"Wrong Century" passage was mostly Kevin's doing. I was really happy (well, deleriously happy to be exact) to get a letter from Happy in response to the one I sent. There is just something great about her sitting there reading her own fan mail and then actually taking the time to write back with a personal response. Not just a short note, either, but a 2 page letter! I asked in my letter if she would autograph the insert from my "Warpaint" cd if I sent it back, so she included another copy of the rear insert with my order. She signed it: "To Tom- Praise be to the computer wizards! Best wishes-- Happy Rhodes". So I guess she is pretty glad about the mailing list and gaffa and all. It also sounds like they are serious about doing a tour--she mentions a friend (who plays the Chapman Stick, like I do :-) who will probably play bass for them _when_ they tour. Not _if_ they tour, but _when_ they tour. I just hope to god that they make it to the west coast. I like Vickies idea for some sort of publicity stunt, but I can't think of anything myself. Here in LA there are all these posters plastered all around the place by aspiring rock groups. I hope we could come up with something a little classier than that. Maybe some t-shirts with the covers of the albums silk screened on them and "Ask me about Happy" on the back or some such. Any other ideas? Tom (sitting here listening to "Warpaint"). tj@cs.ucla.edu 15-Jul-91 20:11:06-GMT,1152;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14313; Mon, 15 Jul 91 16:10:42 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA12339; Mon, 15 Jul 91 15:10:36 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA04942; Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:31:35 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA01047; Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:31:33 CDT Date: Mon, 15 Jul 91 13:31:33 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107151831.AA01047@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Vol II Wow... Volume II is my current favorite! I find it the *easiest* to listen to... it is the most melodic of all of Happy's albums, I think. And I've always thought it was witty and almost hopeful! I even think "The Chase" is realistic and comforting and even optimistic!!! (I'm not sure why but I get a good feeling from that song. I *LOVE* Volume II. Then again, I usually pay more attention to music than lyrics. But I do listen to the lyrics. Ah well, Kiri. -mjm 17-Jul-91 5:07:58-GMT,829;000000000001 Received: from psi.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA01296; Wed, 17 Jul 91 01:07:17 EDT Received: by psi.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08187; Wed, 17 Jul 91 01:07:15 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 01:07:15 EDT From: jessica@psi.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107170507.AA08187@psi.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: a welcome to kevin tonight i gave kevin an account! I gave him a ring and did my best to explain how to use it. It's a little hard to do from a distance when the other person can't be logged in and trying things *while* you're explaining.. but hopefully he'll be on and getting the hang of things shortly. He has some good news, a radio station in dallas says Happy is a big hit there and the local record store has ordered 25 Warpaint CD's!! jessica 17-Jul-91 5:49:11-GMT,778;000000000001 Received: from psi.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA05590; Wed, 17 Jul 91 01:49:04 EDT Received: by psi.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08377; Wed, 17 Jul 91 01:49:02 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 01:49:02 EDT From: jessica@psi.rutgers.edu Message-Id: <9107170549.AA08377@psi.rutgers.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: eep! I'm reading away in ecto and gaffa and people keep mentioning the recent posts vickie made to gaffa (I read it as a news group not a mailing list) but i never saw them!! It's entirely possible i was so caught up in work for too long and didn't get to gaffa until the articles had an expried :(. Could someone who saved them (or vickie, presuming you still have them) mail them to me? thanks. jessica 17-Jul-91 5:52:53-GMT,591;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA06213; Wed, 17 Jul 91 01:52:43 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA17781; Wed, 17 Jul 91 00:52:40 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9107170552.AA17781@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Welcomes To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 0:52:40 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] Pardon Jessica, I think I sent the last one to you.. Welcome to Kevin and Happy... May your stay be as wild as a rollercoaster with screaming patrons (with glee) :) Jeanne 17-Jul-91 6:04:26-GMT,1830;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07807; Wed, 17 Jul 91 02:04:08 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA18795; Wed, 17 Jul 91 01:04:04 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9107170604.AA18795@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Warpaint To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 1:04:03 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] I've just finished listening to "Warpaint" for the ?'s time. I've got my favourite songs all picked out this time: track 1 Waking Up track 4 To Live in Your World track 11 Warpaint track 12 In Hiding Each song uniquely carves a niche in my senses, either making them shrill with passion or feel the depths of my soul in its pain. Of all four tracks if I were to pick a favourite, "Warpaint" glides across my breasts and lips and hands, bringing out the visions of my memories. Those last nine lines just make me feel the power every time I listen to them. "Don't try to tell me there's no reason for any moment in time, every memory of mine. Those years are lines of colour on my face, my face, the past, is warpaint. And I fight to the death I fight to the death I fight to the death I fight." ...it reminds me mainly of childhood, the warpaint of children's fight, fighting for what one believes in, but all that becomes of them are memories. Jeanne shark@csd4.csd.uwm.edu "Will wonders ever cease beyond the shadows of the dark, when the whip-or-riles sing tenderly with the larks, and canyons never lose their rich mellow tongues, like cannons burning incense, tasting of the young, who shall yearn and who shall cry, be it in us, life is not just another lie." -jeanne 17-Jul-91 15:13:55-GMT,1548;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29977; Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:13:26 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17.1) id AA06300; Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:13:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:13:16 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107171513.AA06300@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: another eep! jessica frets: > I'm reading away in ecto and gaffa and people keep mentioning the > recent posts vickie made to gaffa (I read it as a news group not > a mailing list) but i never saw them!! It's entirely possible i was > so caught up in work for too long and didn't get to gaffa until the > articles had an expired :(. i read gaffa, and i *never* get caught up in work that much (8-]), but i also missed Vickie's articles... what gives? can someone who gets the digest attest to the existance of these infamous posts? have the evil unHappy campers used their mutant powers to erase the memory from our minds?? while i'm babbling, let me make a shameless plug for the amazing boston- area (which apparently stretches as far as new jersey and ottowa) KaTemas party, which will of course feature my extensive Aural Gratification collection (all seven tapes, three letters, and the CD... 8-] ) and a great big FOOTAH! to Kevin. i'm outta here! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 17-Jul-91 16:33:55-GMT,720;000000000001 Received: from csd4.csd.uwm.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA07435; Wed, 17 Jul 91 12:33:34 EDT Received: by csd4.csd.uwm.edu; id AA05701; Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:33:21 -0500 From: Jeanne B Schreiter Message-Id: <9107171633.AA05701@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Katemas??? I think I missed something. To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu (ecto) Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:33:20 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL5] (as the sky reaches over and shuts off the lights) I think I missed something. What is "katemas?" (as the cows trample her over and the high school students rush to tip them and the wizards use their trampolines to spy on innocent maidens in the court- yard, goodnight) 17-Jul-91 17:06:36-GMT,1702;000000000001 Received: from bunny.gte.com by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA11810; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:06:24 EDT Received: by bunny.gte.com (5.61/GTEL2.17.1) id AA09954; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:06:17 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:06:17 -0400 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Message-Id: <9107171706.AA09954@bunny.gte.com> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Katemas??? I think I missed something. Jeanne queries the unguessed voices, phantom-wise: > I think I missed something. > What is "katemas?" (BTW, a ceremonial pot of cool beans to Jeanne for her wonderous parenthetical illuminations!) well, either you missed something or you MISSED SOMETHING: KaTemas is the yearly, international celebration of the anniversary of the first haunting shrieks from the baby Catherine Bush. KaTe's B'day is actually the 30th, but keeping with US tradition we are celebrating on the 27th (which is a saturady...). i'm hosting the boston area party , but there are parties planned across the country and the world. Jorn Barger (barger@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu) has a list of parties hosted by LoveHounds (i.e. readers of the LoveHounds mailing list or the rec.music.gaffa newsgroup). i'm abusing my position as host and including my Happy stuff into the party plans -- there's a chance that our noble organizer jessica will make it up from 'jersey, so we can have a Happy hour or something... now, if you aren't familiar with Ms. Bush's music, then you really have missed something! footah! -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "a woman drew her long black hair out tight and fiddled whisper music on those strings and bats with baby faces in the violet light whistled, and beat their wings" -- T.S. Eliot 17-Jul-91 17:20:18-GMT,1124;000000000001 Received: from TI.COM by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13495; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:19:51 EDT Received: from [128.247.160.56] by ti.com id AA22268; Wed, 17 Jul 91 12:20:34 -0500 Received: from axis.dsg.ti.com by tilde id AA01985; Wed, 17 Jul 91 12:20:46 -0500 Received: from sqa.dsg.ti.com by axis.dsg.ti.com with SMTP (5.59/LAI-3.2) id AA23156; Wed, 17 Jul 91 12:20:31 CDT Received: by sqa.dsg.ti.com (5.59/LAI-3.2) id AA05700; Wed, 17 Jul 91 12:18:30 CDT From: jeff@sqa.dsg.ti.com (jeff abbott (TB02)) Message-Id: <9107171718.AA05700@sqa.dsg.ti.com> Subject: Missing Vickie Posts? To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 12:18:28 CDT X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.2 PL16] Like Jessica and Gregory (I think it was him), I never saw the Revenge of Vickie posts to gaffa. If some kind soul still has them, could they email them to me or post them to the happy group. I, for one, am very interested in what Vickie had to say. Jeff -- Jeff Abbott Texas Instruments, Inc. 512-250-4323 Internet Jeff.Abbott@hub.dsg.ti.com TI MSG %TB02@hub.dsg.ti.com "Can I have it all now?" - Kate Bush, 1982. 17-Jul-91 17:45:01-GMT,777;000000000011 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA15998; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:44:46 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA12139; Wed, 17 Jul 91 10:44:42 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA01215; Wed, 17 Jul 91 10:42:53 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 10:42:53 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9107171742.AA01215@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: <9107171718.AA05700@sqa.dsg.ti.com> Subject: Missing Vickie Posts? I mailed the posts to Jessica last night. Do you want to post them to the mailing list, Jessica, or should I? Or should we distribute mail copies to the people who have asked? 17-Jul-91 18:10:10-GMT,961;000000000001 Received: from accuvax.nwu.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA19271; Wed, 17 Jul 91 14:09:52 EDT Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu by accuvax.nwu.edu (5.65+/1.34) id AA06806; Wed, 17 Jul 91 13:09:46 -0500 Received: from stella.chem.nwu.edu by silver.chem.nwu.edu (5.52/90.5.1.SDD) (for ecto@athos.rutgers.edu) id AA09413; Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:31:17 CDT Received: by chem.nwu.edu (1.1/901020.SDD) (for @silver.chem.nwu.edu:gb10@gte.com) id AA04849; Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:31:14 CDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 11:31:14 CDT From: stern@chem.nwu.edu (Charlotte Stern) Message-Id: <9107171631.AA04849@chem.nwu.edu> To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu, gb10@gte.com Subject: Re: another eep! I can attest to vickie's posts appearing in the digest... and IED has already responded referring to them.... although, come to think of it, no flames appeared from richard or ken, which might indicate that gaffa in fact never *did* get them. That would be odd. -mjm 17-Jul-91 19:41:54-GMT,1331;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA00355; Wed, 17 Jul 91 15:41:17 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA22037; Wed, 17 Jul 91 15:41:02 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 15:40:57 EDT From: jessica To: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Missing Vickie Posts? In-Reply-To: Your message of Wed, 17 Jul 91 10:42:53 PDT Message-Id: Hmm, i tihnk vickie's posts relate enough to ecto that it's worth posting them here, especially if there are at least three people here who didn't see them on gaffa. Actually, could you send them to ecto, steve? The ones i had from you, in each there was a strange paragraph break that might have been an editing mistake on vickies part, or might have been something etting crunshed in software somewhere. I'd like to see your posts of them again so i can compare.. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 17-Jul-91 21:34:41-GMT,1810;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA14207; Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:34:20 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA27858; Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:34:17 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:34:14 EDT From: jessica To: ecto@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: kevin Message-Id: Last night when i was speaking to kevin, he talked a bit about the plans for putting things on cd. They're going slowly in terms of getting them *all* on cd, but it sounds like they're definitely going ahead with the plans, it's just going to take time, mainly because it's going to take money. They're busy making archive-masters of each of the 4 now, because whatever it is they're on now, doesn't have all that long of a shelf life and after several years it won't be too useful anymore! So they are transfering stuff to DAT tape. And they've got a fax machine now! Happy is also busy taking pictures of her paintings and having developed - hopefully they'll be used for the book vickie was talking about! That would be great! Kevin says happy does have quite a few paintings. Not all of them are just of one "monster" like the covers are, but some are of many monsters doing things.. :) I really hope we get to see more of them :) Well, kevin still hasn't gotten on line, i hope my instructions were ok! If i don't hear from him by tomorrow, i'll give him another call. jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || 18-Jul-91 0:53:47-GMT,34125;000000000001 Received: from phloem.uoregon.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA08432; Wed, 17 Jul 91 20:52:45 EDT Received: from greylady.uoregon.edu by phloem.uoregon.edu (4.1/UofO NetSvc-05/01/91) id AA16820; Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:52:38 PDT Received: by greylady.uoregon.edu (5.60/SMI-4.0.1.2(JQJ)) id AA02895; Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:50:46 PDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 17:50:46 PDT From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Message-Id: <9107180050.AA02895@greylady.uoregon.edu> To: jessica@athos.rutgers.edu, ecto@athos.rutgers.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Missing Vickie Posts? OK, here we go again. [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 14:36:00 -0800 From: gatech!chinet.chi.il.us!katefans@EDDIE.MIT.EDU (Chris Williams) To: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Subject: Pissed Vickie here. To hell with my "swan song", it's hot and I'm in a bad mood. Vishal wrote: >>> I am also tired of the endless postings by recent Happy convertee >>> basically saying "I just got my Happy tapes and she is like *AWESOME*. >>> I feel *so* cool now that I am a Happy fan. I wrote: >> This is so *unbelieveably* unfair!!!! What a rude thing to say! Ken Brownfield wrote: > Doesn't it suck when someone has a different opinion than you? Darnit. and later added: > I'm busy trying to find out when the Chicago Katemas is! ;-) How odd. Ken, where you come from, is is customary to be sarcasticly rude to people who are hosting a party you plan on attending? For the record, I still think what Vishal said was unfair. People weren't saying they liked Happy's music just because they thought it was a cool thing to say. They said it because they liked Happy's music. Simple as that. Dan Welsh writes (re the "frothing"): > This makes me hesitant to try it, because EVERY artist has his/her/their > die-hard fans, and I tend to discard these people's opinion's immediately, > because they cannot be objective in re the artist. Is it just me, or is there an whiff of "If so many people say it's so great then it must not be any good" in the air? Others have said nearly the same sort of thing. I might agree if we were rec.music.misc. but... these are not music.misc readers who suddenly showed up in gaffa touting Happy. These are people who are true Kate fans. People who would more than likely agree with the declaration that "Kate IS God" as would I. Most of them had never heard of (or at least heard) Happy until a couple of months ago! They were just stating their enthusiastic opinion! I *know* that not every Katefan will like Happy, and there have been posts that have confirmed this. But I feel that some people have discounted Happy simply because so many people, in a short space of time, popped up with "I got her and I like her" posts. That's extremely silly. Dan also said: > But in Happy's case, there have been mostly yawns outside of the > die-hard camp, and this isn't encouraging to me. I haven't counted them but the "amazings" seem to outnumber the "yawns" by about 27 to 4. At least 2 of those "yawns" (maybe all 4) failed to carefully read some of those "amazing" posts and didn't catch the descriptions (yes, they did exist, in abundance) of Happy's music that said it was "simple" and they no doubt expected to hear "The Ninth Wave" and _The Dreaming_, at the very least, by God. When they failed to hear this and were not blown clear across the room in ecstacy, they tended to "yawn" in response. I *know* that not every Kate fan will like Happy (how many times am I going to have to say that to make up for past mistakes?) but it's also hard to tell if they don't like Happy because of taste, or because they didn't pay attention and their expectations were all out of whack? Ken later added: > When the Holier Than Thou Happy Fan crowd pushed in, my lunch > involuntarily pushed out. Judging by what you said in other posts, I guess this refers to me. I never meant to be "Holier Than Thou" as you seem to think. I thought that many of Kate's fans would be likely to like Happy, knowing (of course) that tastes here are wide and varied and that it wouldn't apply to everyone. I'll be the first to admit that I may have gone overboard and alienated some people. What can I say? I've said "sorry" too many times already, so I'll forego that one. How about....oh well darn...too bad! I'm estatic that so many people trusted my taste enough to give Happy a try, and that so many of them were pleased with what they heard. Quoting Shane, Ken also said: > I will carefully assume "she's golden, just like KaTe is." had an > invisible IMO after it. Correct assumption? Why should it? Just because you don't think so doesn't mean that she isn't. See my other post about "magic" and the fact that if people feel it then it's there. Happy *IS* "golden", in a different way, for different reasons, but it is true. No IMO, IMHO, IMVHO, INVHSO. Shane feels it, Jessica feels it, Steve feels it, Kirsten feels it, Jeff feels it, I feel it and so do MANY others. It's *TRUE*! I *know* you don't like Happy anywhere _near_ as much as you like Kate. That's fine. I understand. No problem. We're not saying there's anything wrong with you or that. You just have different tastes and priorities. I respect your opinion. Happy is not as important to you as Kate is. Happy is not as important to me as Kate is. Happy is more important to me than she is to you. Feeling "magic" from an artist is a very individual thing. But all of these "how dare you call Happy golden, how dare you say that Happy has magic, how dare you mention Happy and Kate in the same breath" -ish- posts are as sickening to me as you and others say the "Happy is amazing" -ish- posts are to you. People have complained that there's a "Buy Happy, like Happy, or be a dork" tone to posts. That's NOT true. I've read over all the Happily estatic posts and I don't see that anywhere. There WAS a tone (I started it, and boy am I sorry) of "If you like Kate you'll like Happy" and of course it's not true for everybody. I *know* that and I'd go back and change my posts' wording if I could. Now, from the anti-Happy posts people there is *definitely* a tone of "If you love Happy so much, then you're not as big a Katefan as you say you are" and that's silly too. Kate is IT and any other great solo female artists are just phony wannabes? And if we love any of those phony wannabes anywhere _near_ as much as we love Kate then we're in the WRONG newsgroup? Give me a break!!! > I do like Kate just as much I as I say I do. Take my word for it. > But I reserve the right make my own decisions on who's music I like or > don't like and I refuse to have my love of Kate's music called into > question because of it. Richard, we finally agree on something! I truly, deeply, honestly and sincerely love Kate Bush's music. I also truly, deeply, honestly and sincerely love Jane Siberry's music and Happy Rhodes' music. My love for their music has no impact on, does not diminish my love for Kate's music in any way shape or form. If anyone dares to question *MY* "credentials" as a Katefan, just because I push Happy so hard, I'll sic IED on 'em!!!! Jon writes: > It's like calling Inky Bloaters "dance music." (Remember that one?) Yes, very well, and it's a great example of how different people have different viewpoints. To you, Dance Music is a genre, like Opera, Pop, Country, etc. It's music specifically recorded to be played in discos, er, excuse me, dance clubs. I acknowledged and accepted your viewpoint. onds, not that they'd let me in in the first place, being as how I'm so un-hip and all :-) However, I do love to dance, and when I'm by myself I'm a regular old dancin' fool. I can dance to songs by Kate, Jane Siberry, Danielle Dax, Najma, kd lang, Victoria Williams, Patsy Montana, Monsoon and yes, Happy Rhodes, to name a few. That's what I mean when I say "dance music" and, as I recall, you never acknowledged or accepted my point of view. You just gave me your Patented Jon Drukman roll-your-eyes-and-sneer technique. Thanks. > Richard heard Caterwaul on a tape I made for him of about 20 different > female vocal tracks. I just listed the artists and titles, he asked about > the stuff that interested him. Quite different from logging in every day > and seeing five new messages telling him to mail order all their stuff. You're right, in hindsight we should have handled the whole thing differently. At the time, we had no idea so many people were ticked off. Btw, I didn't know that Richard heard Caterwaul from you. I thought it was from me talking about them. > Or, to use a rather apt metaphor: The first taste was free! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This last line really pissed me off. Quickly, not because you said it, but because it reminded me of my SIG Pass-Along tapes. They disappeared after only a few people had gotten them. There were nearly 30 people on the list who wanted them. Since there was over an hour of Happy's music on those tapes, many more would have gotten a taste of her music over a *year* ago if the pass along had worked out the way I planned. Not only just Happy, but dozens of other female artists were represented, both on audio and on video. Grrrrrrrr!!!!! I thought about doing it again but I'm more wary now. It was a big expense of time, effort and money, for myself and for Larry Hernandez, and the tapes are probably just sitting on someone's shelf now, gathering dust, or probably taped over. May the person who stole them be cursed with Vanilla Icytosis!!! (Hey YOU, whoever you are, if you're reading this....FUCK YOU!!!! Yes, I'm pissed!!! There was so much great music on those tapes and you prevented many others from sampling and possibly enjoying it! Besides, you owe Larry and I money for the audio and video tapes!!! Pay up JERK!!!) Now that that rant is over, I leave you with... On June 9 Ken Saint John said: > Frankly right now you could not _give_ me a Happy record or CD! On June 29 Ken Saint John said: > I received the "Warpaint" CD as a gift... No comment, just thought it was interesting. Posts about posts about posts about posts! .......sigh...... Now that I got that stuff out of my system, I can go back to being Vickie Sunshine. Huhhh! Vickie (one of us) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "I'll never hate you, I'll never think of you, and I'll never grieve" Someone nice [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 14:38:00 -0800 From: gatech!chinet.chi.il.us!katefans@EDDIE.MIT.EDU (Chris Williams) To: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Subject: Them'n'Me Vickie here. Literal minded folks should just add "IMHOs" where they think they're needed 'cause I'm sure not going to sit and type a bunch of 'em. :-) I know that not everyone will agree with everything I say, and that's fine, this is just what *I* think, these are *my* opinions, *my* thoughts... My three favorite female artists are: Kate Bush ^ / \ / \ / \ / \ Jane Siberry Happy Rhodes These women have a power over me that make them favorites and will, I have no doubt in my mind, keep them favorites as long as I live. Why? I don't know exactly, but I'm going to try and work it out. It's interesting. People have favorite artists for different reasons. They were at the right place at the right time and heard the right song and for some reason what they heard hit them hard enough to make the artist a favorite. It all has to do with "magic" (which I talk about in my other post) and these women's magic have become a part of my life. They are individual artists with their own musical points of view, but they do have these things in common: 1) They're female artists. 2) They all have exquisitely beautiful voices. Expressive and eclectic. 3) They all write their own music. 4) They all write their own lyrics. 5) They all take personal control of their own music, from start to finish. There are slight exceptions every now and then in 3/4/5 above. For instance, Kate didn't write "Lord of the Reedy River" and all three have had co-producers at various points in their careers. 6) Their music is interesting and innovative and timeless. I'm not a musician and know nothing of musical theory. All I know is what I like and what keeps me interested through multiple, multiple listenings. I've been a Kate fan for 10 years and I've never once gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. I've been a Jane fan for 7 years and I've never gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. I've been a Happy fan for 3 years and I've never gotten bored listening to her songs, no matter how many times I've heard them. Repeating a sentence 3 times may seem redundent, but I think it's important to say that about each artist, because it's so very true. There just aren't any other artists who pass my "continuous play test" (as Klaus puts it) the way these three do. Music is always the most important thing for me. If all of their songs were just accompainied by "la-la-las" I'd still love them because the music and arrangements are so wonderful. 7) Luckily, their songs aren't just accompainied by "la-la-las" and thank heavens for that! After the music, lyrics are very important to me. Each artist's lyrics fascinate and intrigue and interest me. The songs are about more than "ooh baby love me/i love you/you don't love me/you hurt me so bad/i ain't got nobody/etc." and even when those themes are used, they are written in an interesting and different way. Kate's "Hounds of Love" or Happy's "Come Here" or Jane's "Goodbye" are great examples of tired themes expressed in a fresh, interesting way. 8) They all started writing music at a young age. It was a very important part of their lives and even if none had ever set foot into a recording studio they'd all still be writing songs. The songs they write come from their hearts, minds and souls. All three were true originals from the very beginning of their musical output. Their originality didn't just evolve with time, it was there from the start. 9) They all play instruments (Kate-piano, Happy & Jane-guitar) and those instruments, from a young age, were important in their grab one before being carted off to a desert island, I'd pray that my hand would gravitate to The Dreaming! But, I'd still be happy with anything I picked. This is *so* refreshing, because too many musicians are uneven. With these artists I never have to say "I like this album, but not that one/This album has a few great songs, but the rest are so-so/Started out great but got boring/Started out boring but got great/etc." I truly love all their albums. I might have very slight problems with a song or two here and there, but these would be rare, minor nit-picky things that are totally insignificant. An example would be my preferring Kate not try to rock & roll. I've never much cared for "James..." or "...Heart- break" in general, but I do like watching her perform these songs and I love the lyrics, and I came to appreciate a lot of interesting things she does within each song, but they remain my least favorite songs from TKI & LH, and my feeling certainly don't affect my true love of those albums. Besides, she got better at it in songs such as "Violin" (which I had probelms with at first too) and my favorite of her uh..."rock" songs, "Love & Anger". So, even though not everything I heard from these women struck me as brilliant right away, I gave those things a chance and they grew on me. 11) I don't know why this is important to me, but it is, very much so: As human beings they are all very nice people. Women you'd want to be friends with, go and have lunch with, invite over to watch movies. Women who are caring and kindly and friendly and interesting and sensitive and down-to-earth and unpretentious and, well, *nice*. .......................................................................... There are so many female artist's out there and many are very, very good. Female artists are my specialty and I have hundreds of CDs, LPs and cassettes. There aren't that many who have all the above attributes. Some have great voices but don't write their own music. Some have great voices and write great music but lousy lyrics. Some have great voices and write great lyrics but lousy music. Some write great music, lousy lyrics, and have just OK voices. On & on & on.... Some have no (or very little) interest in the recording process and are content to just let producers call all the shots. Some have never played an instrument in their lives. Some are bitches and you wouldn't want to know them personally. Some are just plain uneven and when I talk about them I why they're favorites. Individually they are very different, musically and lyrically. I'm not going to go into those differences, but they each have these specific strengths that I cherish: KATE: She's a STORYTELLER. Listening to a Kate song is like reading a great book or seeing a fantastic movie. She's 70mm, Technicolor, Cinemascope, Omnimax, Imax, and the Library of Congress all rolled into one amazing package. Her songs stimulate my imagination and leave my mind wondering what just hit it! She really *IS* and always will be. She can be whimsical and she is very emotional, but her greatest strength is as a storyteller. JANE: She's WHIMSICAL. She can see the humor in life situations. What's so wonderful about her is that her lyrics are deep and wise, even in her most humorous songs. She makes me think while I'm laughing out loud. She can tell a damn fine story and she also is very emotional, but her greatest strength is her sense of humor. HAPPY: She's EMOTIONAL. She's poured out her inner struggles into songs with an honesty and intensity that made me cry and shake my head in awe even before I knew who she was or anything about her past. Emotionally I am closest to Happy's lyrics because I have gone through a lot of the same things she has. Different situations, of course, but I've felt many of the same feelings she writes about. Her songs may be autobiographical, but human emotions are universal and anyone who has ever been depressed or suicidal I'm glad they were able to record their music and, in various ways, get that music out into the world where I could find it. I feel privileged. Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "Don't think it over, it always takes you over. And sets your spirit dancing" Kate Bush "I can't stop laughing but I feel somehow that everything is alright" Jane Siberry "I am transparent, an open book. There's no choice in the matter. But the breath from my mind is living air. The notes from my heart are what I share" Happy Rhodes [][][][][][][][][][] Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1991 14:34:00 -0800 From: gatech!chinet.chi.il.us!katefans@EDDIE.MIT.EDU (Chris Williams) To: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Subject: Magic Vickie here. Chris has been out of town on business so we're (as usual) far behind on posting. This is likely to be long. I wanted to talk about the indescribable, very hard-to-define thing I call "Musical magic" and, though this post isn't just about Happy Rhodes, she is mentioned throughout. I hope you people who've given up reading Happy posts give this a scan, because there are thoughts that you should be able to identify with and might be able to express in a more articulate way, should this start a thread going. Richard wrote: > Vickie doesn't hedge one bit on her statement that Happy is NOT > just another singer and that she has the same sort of *spirit* (Richard mistakenly wrote "style") > and magic as Kate Bush. > "Generally" and "many" don't have anything to do with Happy, they > are applied to Katefans. What she hedges on is her audience's > ability to feel this magic, not it's existence. To me it sounds > like she's saying that it IS there but not everybody is open enough > to perceive it. > If this was not her intent then I was mistaken and I apologize. No need to apologize Richard. People are arguing about what I *really* meant and I was going to ignore it, just letting my words stand as written, but I want to explain my intent a bit more. I have a double whammy of being off the net and not able to answer things immediately and also of not being very articulate when I do get around to replying. I'll try to be a bit clearer this time, though no guarantees. Trying to define "magic" and "spirit" would make a fascinating thread. Obviously I'm not talking about rope tricks and ghosts here. What *IS* it about Kate that elevates her to Goddess status among us? I know that not everybody reading gaffa is a die-hard Kate fan, but I think that most of us *would* list her as our favorite artist, we *would* say that she possesses a certain something that make her so special to us. If someone asked me "why is Kate your favorite artist?" I'd be able to give all kinds of reasons off the top of my head. Great voice, brilliant music, amazing lyrics, intelligent, interesting, innovative, independent, nice person. Beyond those things, there's something else that's so very hard to put into words. After all, you often hear people say things like "I really like Kate but I'm not as big a fan as you all" or "I admire her but there are other artists I like better" - along those lines. What *IS* that "special something" that we feel? It's "magic" and I don't have a better word for it nor do I know how to define it but I do know it's there. Sometimes people feel it right away (I felt it 30 seconds into my first listen of "Wuthering Heights") and sometimes it takes months or even years. I thought the "How I got into Kate" thread was fascinating because people went beyond just the first contact and described when "the magic" actually hit them. Even though we didn't use those words, "got into" means feeling the magic and it was very clear that's what the thread was really about. I love hearing that kind of stuff. Keep this in mind if you intend to read further, just so you know where I stand and what I believe. It worries me that some people, new readers especially, might think that I'm a non or casual Katefan barging into the group trying to convince them that Happy is "just as good as" Kate: Kate *IS*! She really *IS*! Her magic is the Strongest and the Best. I've been a Katefan for 10 years and she'll always be my ultimate favorite. But... To a lesser extent other artists can have a magic too. I may not feel it but if other people do then it's there. If I feel it from someone but other people don't, it's still there. Examples: If I play Kate for someone and they just shrug their shoulders and say "I don't get it" then I would know that not only do they not "get it," they don't "feel it" either. The magic's still there though. There are a lot of die-hard Joni Mitchell fans and some of them have wondered in the past why I'm not interested in her. They feel her magic. I don't. I honestly respect and admire JM but her music and voice don't interest me at all. Her lyrics *do* interest me, but I really doubt that I'll ever become a fan. It's possible, but doubtful. However, just because I don't feel her magic doesn't mean that I should say that it doesn't exist. I knew about Jane Siberry for many months before her magic captured me. Chris felt it the first time he heard her. It would be wrong for me to say that it didn't exist at all until I was ready to open myself to it and it revealed itself to me. > What she hedges on is her audience's ability to feel this magic, > not it's existence. To me it sounds like she's saying that it IS > there but not everybody is open enough to perceive it. That's exactly what I'm saying. I feel the magic of Happy Rhodes. So do other people. Just because someone else might not doesn't mean that its not there. Unfortunately, what I said makes it sound as if I would ridicule or denegrate anyone who doesn't feel the magic. If I ever gave anyone that impression I am so truly sorry. I *honestly* don't mean to project a "holier-than-thou" attitude, as Ken put it. I certainly wouldn't think less of anybody if they didn't feel the magic I feel. Why certain artists are special to people is a very individual thing. It takes the right person at the right time in the right place in the right mood hearing the right song for the magic of any great artist to reveal itself. I understand that. Even if magic is felt it might not "take hold" (I don't know how else to put it) and stay with a person. For example, I know that Mozart's music has magic. I felt it when I saw _Amadeus_ and for a few months I became a Mozart fanatic. I still love the music but I just lost interest in keeping up. Yet I know there are people who devote their entire lives to Mozart's life and works. Obviously the magic has taken hold in a major way! The other day I had an overpowering urge to listen to XTC. For some reason the song "Dear God" popped into my head and wouldn't go away. I went to my CD shelf and realized I only had *one* XTC CD, _Skylarking_. We do have more on LP but I was kind of shocked. XTC has magic. I know it and I feel it. But it's never hit me strong enough to go buy all the CDs. Even when someone knows about or even feels the magic of an artist (or group) there are varying degrees of intensity that it affects them. This is all very "Doug's red chairish" but I really don't care about Doug's red chair. Said chair does not reveal its magic to me and has no meaning or impact in my life. I do care about Kate and Jane and Happy. I do feel their magic. These artists are very important to me. Kate *most* especially, because being a fan of her music changed my entire life. Honestly and without an ounce of exaggeration, I would not be who I am or where I am if I had never heard her music. Feeling her magic has affected my entire existence. If I'd never heard Kate I would still be shy and withdrawn and lonely and depressed. I would never have met Chris. I wouldn't have gotten interested in female voices. I would never have gotten my radio shows. I wouldn't have the music collection I have now. I would never have moved to Chicago. I would never have heard of Love-Hounds. I wouldn't be sitting here typing this :-) On & on & on I could go but, simply put, nearly every single thing that's happened to me in the last ten years is a direct result of hearing and feeling the magic of Kate Bush. That's pretty heavy! Oh yeah, I also would never have heard of Jane Siberry or Happy Rhodes! Kate's wasn't the first magic I felt. Seeing Genesis with Peter Gabriel on Midnight Special in 1973 was the first time I felt the overpowering wonder and amazement and awe and indescribable *power* of musical magic. I grew up with music. I've always *loved* music. But that was the first time music grabbed my soul and psyche, heart and mind, and refused to let go. Since another Peter Gabriel fan sent me the tape with Kate on it, it's really Peter who brought me to this point. It's all his fault :-) Because I happened to be at the right place at the right time in the right mood, these songs revealed their artist's magic to me: "Watcher of the Skies" by Genesis/Peter Gabriel "Wuthering Heights" by Kate Bush "Map of the World, Pt. II" by Jane Siberry "Off From Out From Under Me" by Happy Rhodes Other people may have the same experience with different songs and different artists. The key is feeling the magic that the songs and artists have to offer. I don't mean that I do take every claim of magic seriously, if someone says it then it must be true. If a 14-year old girl claimed to feel the "magic" of New Kids on the Block, I'd...well, I guess I'd choke back my first response and remember back to when I was but a wee young teenybopper myself, when I thought Davy Jones and David Cassidy were Gods on High. I was obsessed, and I probably would have called it magic too, but it was an illusion. Thankfully the Gods of Good Music and Good Taste smiled on me and I was able to recognize the "real thing" years later. I would hope that that 14-year old girl would be as lucky as I was. I don't mean that she'd necessarily have to get into Kate (though that would be nice). There is so much magical music in the world and it really wouldn't matter if she felt it from Bach or Bush or whoever. I just feel really sorry for people who go through life never letting music touch them. Most people don't. Most people treat music as background. You know, when you ask someone what kind of music they like and they say "Oh I like all kinds of music" and when you try to dig further you realize that they don't *really* like anything or anyone, beyond who's on the radio at the moment. Their "favorites" come and go with the charts. Uugh! I have no idea why certain people are open to musical magic and others aren't. I don't know why I sat in front of the TV that fateful night and was mesmerized by Peter Gabriel in his batwings while the other people in the room weren't. Comments ranged from "Weird" to "Cool" to "Stupid" to "Oh my God, this is going to change my entire life!" (well, that's what I would have said if I'd known! :-) I felt *different* afterwards though, and I couldn't make anyone undertand why or how. I didn't understand it myself) and I was the only one who followed up on the group, which led to... ...Hi everybody! Turning my attention back to Happy Rhodes, I think I caused the most problems for some people when I said the following: 1. > Happy has the *same sort of* magic and spirit as Kate Bush and 2. > Happy is the closest thing we have to an American *"Kate Bush"* which I still believe, but in a *figurative* way, which I didn't explain fully enough. This is the hard part, because these are things I've always felt, but never tried to put into words. When I foolishly did, with the comments written above, I was jumped on by literal-minded Kate-clutchers. I think it's unfortunate that some people took me *so* literally that when they listened to her music they unconsiously expected something as truly mind-blowing as The Dreaming or The Ninth Wave. Of course those people would be put off and say "What's the big deal?" and "yawn" etc. because Happy's music is nothing like Kate's. For one thing, it's much simpler and not anywhere near as advanced. She is truly her own artist, but if I talk about Happy in Katian terms it doesn't have anything to do with Kate herself, but rather the katian *experiences* I've had. That is, feeling a magic, feeling a spirit. When I say something like "Happy's music is simple, like _The Kick Inside_ and _Lionheart_" I *don't* mean that her music *sounds* like the music on those albums, but rather that it's simple, yet original. Modest yet somehow intricate. Unaffected, unpretentious and pure, but timeless. Music that grows on you (if you want it to and let it) and will stay with you for a lifetime. Music you can listen to over and over again and never get tired of. If I were not a Kate fan (what a horrible thought) I wouldn't have any reference points to use. Since I am a Katefan I use what I know. That's all. I'm sorry I didn't try to explain myself better. When I made the comment about Happy being the closest thing to an American "Kate Bush" I was dictating over the phone, Jorn typing. I wasn't able to elaborate. Again, I didn't mean that Happy is *like* Kate. Because I'm a Kate fan, I again used her as a reference point. I meant that, in Happy, America has a rare solo female singer/songwriter/lyricist/musician who is original and interesting and independent. Are there others? Yes, I guess, but not for me. Some might say Laurie Anderson or Meredith Monk, but though I like and admire those women, I have some albums and have seen both in concert, I wouldn't say I'm a big fan of either. They and others have magic, but I don't feel it in the same way their real fans do. I do feel Happy's magic, and it's very near the same kind of magic I feel with Kate. Kate is God though. There's no "danger" of Happy pushing Kate aside and becoming my very favorite. Kate is the One. She is inimitable. However, I am pleased that there are other solo female singer/songwriter/lyricist/musicians who are original and interesting and independent and have magic I can feel. Personally, I'm talking about Jane Siberry and Happy Rhodes. That doesn't make them "Kate-wanna-be's" or "Kate-I-want-them-to-be's" (one of your more nonsensical argumental points Richard), they are individual artists with their own musical points of view. It just makes them an important part of my life. Women I can truly admire and respect, in the same way I admire and respect Kate. Women who make music that I love, the same way I love Kate's music. Women I'm glad I found and got into, the same way I'm glad I found and got into Kate. I don't expect everyone to feel the same way I do, and I have no problems with anyone who doesn't. Again, there is so much musical magic out there and the fact that we all found and recognized the cream d'la creme (Kate) gives us a common bond that is truly special. That means a lot to me. Vickie (not one of Richard'n'Missy) katefans@chinet.chi.il.us "My ears are lucky to hear these glorious songs of inspiration" Happy Rhodes [][][][][][][][][][] 18-Jul-91 2:50:05-GMT,5812;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA21244; Wed, 17 Jul 91 22:49:42 EDT Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA02590; Wed, 17 Jul 91 22:49:38 EDT Date: Wed, 17 Jul 91 22:49:36 EDT From: jessica To: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris Williams) Cc: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: Re: Catching up #3 In-Reply-To: Your message of Fri, 12 Jul 91 17:56 CDT Message-Id: finally a moment to sit and catch up on a few things. vickie says: "so who has cats? what are their names?" well i don't have my cat with me because i can't have animals in the apartment (i settle for fish. i *like* fish, but it's not quite the same as a cat. At least i do manage to have a fish with a unique character. he's a big ugly pink kissing gourami, really he's hideous, and he's very aggressive and mean. But i love him :) but anyway) but my cat is at my parents' house, and they have 5 cats. We've always had a lot of cats (at least 3). We used to have 6 but lilac died recently and very unexpectedly. But anyway, we now have 5 and they are all one family. The oldest, Willow, is a female himalayan, and she's my sister's cat. She used to be a real grouch, but she's gotten much friendlier in her old age. She seems to appreciate things more now. Willow has a son and a daughter, Midnight and Spook. Midi (that's what i normally call him) is a HUGE black fluffy cat, with a brown undercoat. He's the oldest male and very kingly. He's reserved and shy with most people, but very close to me - he knows when i'm sad and will pay more attention to me when i'm needing it. Every once in a while he lets down his guard and is a lot of fun, and i know he doesn't do that with just anyone so i really know i'm special to him :) (midi is my cat. All the others are really just "family cats") Spook is much smaller and is also black. She has short, silky, soft black hair, with a tiny spot of white on her chest. She's sleek and sexy and good hunter. She's the most vocal of the cats. If you walk up the steps or into the room she's in, she *always* says hello. If you call to her, she'll meow back. Lilac was the daughter of midi and spook. Inbred, yes, but though both her parents were black, they both had the himalayan genes in them, and she got that coloring. She was short and round and had slightly-longer-than-short fluffy fur, white with grey points and blue eyes. she was really cute and rolly and had a personality to go with it. Well, she is dead now but i had to mention her because the last two are her sons. She only had one litter, with only two kittens! very weird. They are identical twins except that one has a white spot on his belly. Their names are Tom and Jerry. Tom is the one with the spot, and he is a bit more aggressive than Jerry, though both are pretty layed back. They must get their build from their father (a stray, so we don't really know who he was..) but they are both much taller than the others, and stronger. More like the typical egyptian cat. They both have short silky slate grey fur. Well, now that i've talked about cats for a page on a list where most of the people probably aren't very interested... Sorry bout that :) Now on to more relevant things. Vickie said something about me meeting happy and kevin: Yes, happy has a very beautiful speaking voice too. I'm glad they liked me, i felt really odd for a while, i tihnk whenever you meet someone you like so much like this, as a fan, and you get to meet them, you can't help but come away from it thinking "oh god, i can't beleive i said that that way" and "I should have said *that*" or something. But overall it was good, i just have had moments of worry that i might have made a completely fool of myself or not given a very good impression. Vickie said:"Happy thinks you're so beautiful!" hehe i hope she wasn't being sarcastic! I had stayed the night before at my grandparents house, and i hadn't packed a brush, and i couldn't find one in the house, and i can't wash my hair if i won't be able to brush or it ends up all in knots, but if i don't brush it, it looks all messy from sleeping anyway! I felt a little self conscious about it and apologized for looking like i just crawled out of bed. :) I'm still really really hoping that before the end of the summer i'll be bale to take them to my grandparents house, that would be sooooooooooo unbeleivably nice. Vickie comments on happy and kevin "looking serious". They tried to do that with me too!! I tried to get them to smile, and i took a couple of shots of them. WHen kevin was taking shots of happy and i, i really tried to make her laugh. i *tihnk* i succeeded... I'm really really hoping to get the photos developed tomorrow!! i'll let you know how they came out ;) (perhaps we can get happy's permission for me to scan one in and let people see it *grin*) About having a newsgroup: I woudln't mind at *all* having a newsgroup, in fact i'd really like that to happen eventually. i'd rather skip the alt part entirely though, a lot of sites don't get alt groups. I tihnk we need 100 more yes votes than no votes in order to start a rec group. can you imagine? rec.music.ecto And i agree, so long as there are people who can't get it as a newsgroup, we'd keep it moderated and have a mailing list associated with it the way gaffa does. Oops, end of that post, more in the next! jessica || jessica || It is this that || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || lawrence || brings us || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || koeppel || together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || || dembski || --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes ||