Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #985 ecto, Number 985 Sunday, 30 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: delurking..... Re: More on ecto replies, weird chars Aimee Mann's Young Snakes Saturday This is not really happening Re: i don't care if you spiral downward as long as you're not a Re: Kate on NPR ecto-babble (none) Re: Kate on NPR Re: i don't care if you spiral downward as long as you're not a Re: Kate on NPR Re: Kate on NPR Re: Kate on NPR Ani Tour dates Some poll results Re: ecto-babble Re: ecto-babble Re: ecto-babble whatever became of .....? Catherine Wheels Re: ecto-babble (MORE) whatever became of ...? Re: ecto-babble Re: ecto-babble ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 11:49:48 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: Re: delurking..... >oh, has anyone heard Martin Newell's "The Greatest Living Englishman"? >I rather like it. as the cover says.... featuring the New Improved >Andy Partridge. think I need to play it a couple of more times to >let the songs sink in. Yes, it's quite a good album. Martin Newell is a gardener who writes pop songs in his free time. He's got a number of albums out under the names The Cleaners From Venus and The Brotherhood Of Lizards, as well as working with Captain Sensible on HIS last few albums. Good stuff. -- John ======================================================================== From: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu (Hala'sz Sa'ndor) Subject: Re: More on ecto replies, weird chars Summary: ASCII is not international Date: 24 Jan 94 19:51:45 GMT In article <9401221125.AA01610@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU>, arg@KILIMANJARO.OPT-SCI.ARIZONA.EDU ("Alex Gibbs") writes: > Wish I had a book that decribed various mail header fields. > You and manie others.... > AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< > Anyone unable to read the word above the line:--------------------------------- > It uses 7bit non-alpha-numeric chars to spell NIGHTHAWK. It's as long as the > line. If some people are losing some of the characters then I'd like to know > because it'll just look silly in that case. The characters "|", "~", and "\" are national English characters. In those lands where the language is not English, the bit-patterns for these are assignd other symbols. This is so for all the characters in the "sticks" where the leters are, aside from the letters and "_", which are international. But I am sure that Germans, Swedes, Danes, Finns, Netherlanders (Flemings, too), Norwayers, Poles, Hungarians, Icelanders -- all Europeans but those where English or a Romanse tung are spoken -- get ASCII terminals for news and e-mail ======================================================================== Subject: Aimee Mann's Young Snakes Saturday Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 14:53:42 -0500 From: lcliffor@bbn.com Well I saw Aimee Mann's reformed college band, the Young Snakes, this past Saturday at The Paradise in Boston. They only played 6 songs off their old EP ('Give Me Your Face', etc) and were largely making fun of their old catalog and how awful it was and why were we listening to them, etc. All in good fun and obviously only a favor for The Dark's 10 year reunion....(and I managed to get hauled onto the stage for The Dark's encore by the lead guitarist and given drumsticks to go wild with! Neat to see what's it's like on stage DURING a show in the middle of the band! They had lots of people on stage by the end, but I believe I was the only person personally hauled up by a band member...and no, I can't play a musical instrument to save my life.) What fun!!!!! :-) Laura ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 12:35:58 -0800 Subject: This is not really happening As Ethan goes into all-too-brief stream of consciousness ectomode ('cuz once again I'm swamped with mail and work)... Amazing, wonderful news from ecto and rdt on the attention Tori's been getting lately! Thanks to Justin, Neil, Vickie and everyone else who filled me in on Anna Domino and/or Kirsty! Ilka writes: > Anyway, I bought a lot of goodies! Here are the CDs I bought, quite a few > of them where recommended here, so I got them to make up my own mind about > them: > Amos, Tori Cornflake Girl (Maxi) Why can't I get this #$^@&!*!$*& song OUT OF MY HEAD?!!! > Cranberries Everbody Else is Doing it, So Why.. > E Broken Toy Shop > McLachlan, Sarah Possession (Maxi) I really need to find this single... > Tribe Abort (Many more on the list.) Wow. I think Ilka's going to be walking around with a smile on her face for some time now. :) My $.02 on Catherine Wheel...I only have _Ferment_, and it's one of those albums that I'm *almost* sorry I bought, but not quite. "Black Metallic" is a great song, and "Texture" is absolutely electrifying. (Maybe *that* will get "Cornflake Girl" out of my head. Nah.) The rest of the album pretty much runs together in a sort of melody-impaired-shoegazer-Curve-wannabe way. >From the talk on ecto, I won't be following it up with _Chrome_. Ethan ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 15:59:40 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: i don't care if you spiral downward as long as you're not a kelly tells us: > someone also bought a copy of rhodesongs, and when i asked her where she'd > heard of happy, she said wyep had played her. i guess they can't be all > bad. :) and that reminded me to go move happy rhodes from the "h" > section to the "r" section. vickie. ;) :-) Tower in Chicago has Happy in 2 sections, H & R. I haven't said anything because it gives people two chances to see her CDs. Whenever I'm there I check both sections and rearrange...for instance, if the "R" section has 3 Ectos, and the H section has none, I'll put one of the 3 in the H section. If the H section has 2 Equipoises and the R has none, I'll move one of them to the R. I don't go there very often though, so other Chicago Ectophiles going to Tower might want to check this out and rearrange if need be. WYEP in Pittsburg eh? Good for them! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 16:05:18 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Kate on NPR Steve "Rava" Lamb writes: > On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, WretchAwry wrote: > > Chicago. It was Steve's first exposure to Kate too (now he > > hates me, now he has *another* great artist to get into :-)). > Well, hate is a strong word. More like I'm going to growl a while > until I get the cash together for a Kate CD. :P Oh good! Say, you might want to pick up "The Whole Story" which is a compilation album. She's had 2 albums since then that aren't represented on TWS, but it gives a pretty good overview of the earlier albums and will do you until you get around to getting everything else :-). Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 13:34:59 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: ecto-babble ======================================================================== >> Even when Michael >>Stipe guests on 'Your Ghost' and adds harmonic murmurs to >>its spectra of obsession - a lover has left but his essence >>remains - he's another instrument not a big-name selling >>point. I heard this song yesterday and it was marvelous. I was reading and listening to the radion and it stopped me cold. Really haunting. >>(a catherine wheel is an instrument of torture; some people find the band >>to be very aptly named...just ask Mike) I'm almost positive that a Catherine Wheel is also those giant round stained glass windows you can find in cathedral's. I've never understood how the name came to be used for both. Todays challenge question for ectolinguists? Mike Mathews demonstrates the poor taste of his co-workers: >> The only >>time that was broken, incidentally, was a co-worker stopping Betty in favor of >>Amy Grant. Not many folks here liked Betty, but fewer liked Amy Grant I find that almost impossible to believe. How could anyone dislike Betty? They are so charming, hilarious, witty, and seductive. Anyone know what they have been up to in the last few years. After moving I never changed my address on their mailing list, and really miss those wonderful postcards and multi-ethnic holiday greetings. I'm almost positive (again) that I read somewhere that "Swing the Statue" had been re-released. (Maybe it was just wishful thinking though.) And while I'm babbling, a few years ago, one of my favorite local bands in Maryland was called OHO. They still exist, with a new and distinctly inferior lead singer. THe old singer left (creative differences, personality problems, ...) and briefly formed a duo with her boyfriend called Hand to Mouth. I never saw them but heard they were quite boring, even though she was always amazing with OHO. Anyway, her name is Grace Hearn, and Hand to Mouth moved to Seatle and was apparently playing around up there for a while. Anyone ever hear of Grace or her duo that can give me an update? Neal ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 13:40:49 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Kate on NPR > Steve "Rava" Lamb writes: > > > On Fri, 21 Jan 1994, WretchAwry wrote: > > > Chicago. It was Steve's first exposure to Kate too (now he > > > hates me, now he has *another* great artist to get into :-)). > > > Well, hate is a strong word. More like I'm going to growl a while > > until I get the cash together for a Kate CD. :P > > Oh good! Say, you might want to pick up "The Whole Story" which is a > compilation album. She's had 2 albums since then that aren't represented > on TWS, but it gives a pretty good overview of the earlier albums and > will do you until you get around to getting everything else :-). > > Vickie > This note started me thinking again (hope I don't hurt myself). I bought the recently available pretty-darn-cheep Canadian Kate Box, and found myself with 2 new discs and 6 repeats. All the doubles look to be super saver discs that probably don't even have lyrics in them, making them less appealing to me than the older Kate discs I had. Still, it's what came with my box, and I feel a little guilty about breaking it up. But, I've been thinking of putting the old discs in the box and selling off all the doubles to those sad souls that have holes in their Kate library. Does this sound sacriligious? Perhaps I really haven't started thinking yet after all. Well, I'll let people here know if there are any for grabs after I check with my closest Kate-free friends and relatives. Neal ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 13:49:47 -0800 Subject: Re: i don't care if you spiral downward as long as you're not a > :-) Tower in Chicago has Happy in 2 sections, H & R. I haven't said > anything because it gives people two chances to see her CDs. Whenever > I'm there I check both sections and rearrange...for instance, if the > "R" section has 3 Ectos, and the H section has none, I'll put one of > the 3 in the H section. If the H section has 2 Equipoises and the R has > none, I'll move one of them to the R. I don't go there very often though, > so other Chicago Ectophiles going to Tower might want to check this out > and rearrange if need be. I love it! Maybe somebody should do the same thing for Catherine Wheel. :) Ethan ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 16:56:21 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Kate on NPR NeAl worries about blasphemy: > This note started me thinking again (hope I don't hurt myself). I bought the > recently available pretty-darn-cheep Canadian Kate Box, and found myself with > 2 new discs and 6 repeats. All the doubles look to be super saver discs that > probably don't even have lyrics in them, making them less appealing to me than > the older Kate discs I had. Still, it's what came with my box, and I feel a > little guilty about breaking it up. But, I've been thinking of putting the > old discs in the box and selling off all the doubles to those sad souls that > have holes in their Kate library. Does this sound sacriligious? Perhaps > I really haven't started thinking yet after all. Well, I'll let people > here know if there are any for grabs after I check with my closest Kate-free > friends and relatives. I personally don't think it's a bad idea...though the CDs in the Box Set might *sound* better, if you have American originals...in which case you could switch CD booklets and sell your Americans (being sure to tell whoever you're selling them to that you did this, and that what they're getting doesn't have the lyrics. If they're on the net, the lyrics are available in the LH archives. Whatever...but I don't think messing with the BS is sacriligous. I regularly play the CDs, and usually put them back on the shelf instead of back in the box. We got the CDs to play, not to look pretty sitting there unused and dusty. We got the *LP Box Set* to sit there looking pretty, unused & dusty. :-) Vickie ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Kate on NPR Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:22:26 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Vickie sez about Neal's quandry: >I personally don't think it's a bad idea...though the CDs in the Box Set >might *sound* better, if you have American originals...in which case you >could switch CD booklets and sell your Americans (being sure to tell >whoever you're selling them to that you did this, and that what they're >getting doesn't have the lyrics. Hmmm. This brings up an interesting point (well, to me at least). I had EMI-America/Manhattan and Columbia copies of the first 6 CDs and when I got my box set it contained all UK non-budget CDs. The improvement in sound quality was unquestionably noticeable, and I gave my copies of TKI, LH, TD, and TSW to my dad and Mike (they both already had HoL) and then sold my HoL and TWS real cheap to another good friend ($11 for the two discs). At that time, the only disc that didn't have lyrics was HoL--and my dad has the EMI-America release with the full liner notes (talk about jealousy--I gave him the EMI-A release for his birthday in October '88 and then when I went to buy it for myself the following spring (having been using a borrowed CD for the previous months), found that they had switched to EMI-M. Grrr) Anyway. Basically what I'm wondering is whether the sound quality on the Canada budget discs is like that of the UK imports or like that of the US domestics. If the former, than certainly one should keep the discs (and I like the idea of warning about the liner note switch...). On the other hand, if the sound isn't any better, there's no reason not to sell of the Canadian discs... Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 14:40:16 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Kate on NPR I doubt that they sound better than the American ones, as they are clearly labeled Super Saver, but I haven't even unwrapped them. I guess I should compare a bit. I think my Hounds is a British import, so it is probably much nicer. I have always bought music to listen too, but that is the first thing I have bought that looked so good that I felt a little guilty mucking with it. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 17:57:58 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Ani Tour dates I know -zero- about this person or what she sounds like, but I know that there are some Ectophiles who are fans, so i'm re-posting this from rec.music.folk: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: megazone@obsidian.WPI.EDU (MegaZone) Newsgroups: rec.music.folk,wpi.students.music Subject: ani difranco - tour schedule - changes and additions Date: 19 Jan 94 03:56:45 GMT ani difranco like i said tour '94 Dates followed by are tentative ***1994*** 1/19 portlan, OR blue heart cafe - melody ballroom 1/21 olympia, WA evergreen state university library 2000 1/22 seattle, WA backstage 1/23 vancouver, BC the vogue theater 1/24 roberts creek, BC roberts creek community hall 1/25 victoria, BC university center theatre - u of victoria 1/27 calgary, AB w. r. castell library theater 1/29 winnipeg, MB pantages theater (wyrd sisters open) 1/30 edmonton, AB sub theater - university of alberta 2/9 waterloo, ONT phil's grandson's place 2/10 toronto, ONT glendon college - york university 2/12 peterborough, ONT st peters auditorium 2/13 ottawa, ONT alumni theater - southam hall 2/16 rochester, NY strong auditorium - univ of rochester 2/18 westborough, MA old vienna 2/19 boston, MA showcase at north american folk alliance 2/23 new york, NY wetlands 2/25 tampa, FL friday morning music hall 2/26 decatur, GA eddie's attic 2/27 asheville, NC be here now 3/1 durham, NC duke university coffeehouse 3/2 blacksburg, VA 3/3 charlottesville, VA the prism coffeehouse - university of va 3/4 washington, DC black cat 3/12 augusta, ME university of maine - jewett auditorium 3/13 northampton, MA 3/16 providence, RI brown university 3/17 worcester, MA GOMPEI'S PLACE, WORCESTER POLYTECHNIC YES!!!! 3/19 annandale, NY bard college - olin auditorium 3/20 brooklyn, NY picnic house - prospect park 3/22 garden city, NY nassau community college (folk festival) 3/24 bethlehem, PA godfrey daniels 3/26 alfred, NY alfred university 3/27 rochester, NY nazareth college 4/7 clinton, NY fillius events barn, hamilton college 4/8 ithaca, NY state theater 4/9 albany, NY the eight step 4/13 grand rapids, MI ladies literary club 4/14 ann arbor, MI the ark 4/15 east lansing, MI wharton center, michigan state university 4/16 chicago, IL 4/17 madison, WI old music hall 4/20 beloit, WI eaton chapel, beloit college 4/21 galesville, WI mill road cafe 4/22 minneapolis, MN cedar cultural center 4/23 northfield, MN carleton college 4/24 cedar rapids, IA c.s.p.s. 4/26 bloomington, IN jake's 5/2 canton, NY st. lawrence university 5/4 montreal, QUE 5/5 toronto, ONT phoenix 5/7 buffalo, NY rockwell hall auditorium 5/8 rochester, NY horizontal boogie bar 6/4 bloomington, IN indiana univ aud (national women's music fest) 6/17-18 valhalla, NY clearwater festival 7/15-17 vanvouver, BC vancouver folk festival 7/23-24 hillsdale, NY falconridge festival 8/12-14 toronto, ONT mariposa festival 8/19-21 lyons, CO rocky mountain folk festival albums available: like i said (1993), puddle dive (1993), imperfectly (1992), not so soft (1991), ani difranco (1990) $10 per cassette / $15 per cd ($12/$18 canadian) ny state residents please add sales tax $.80 per cassette / $1.20 per cd mail to: righteous records 429 richmond ave., buffalo, ny 14222 (716) 884-0248 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmm, what kind of an Indie label is this, that they can afford such an extensive tour? Maybe they could give AG some tips :) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 18:09:50 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Some poll results The results of an informal poll appeared in rec.music.misc today. I noticed.. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: geigel@seas.gwu.edu (Joseph Geigel) Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,alt.rock-n-roll Subject: POLL: Best of 1993 **** final results **** The USENET Top 100 of 1993 1) vs./pearl jam - 1124.5 (50) 9) debut/bjork - 504.0 (20) 13) everybody else is doing it, so why can't we?/the cranberries - 380.0 (15) 15) us/peter gabriel - 379.5 (15) 16) the red shoes/kate bush - 379.0 (15) 19) last splash/the breeders - 346.5 (14) 28) exile in guyville/liz phair - 266.0 (10) 31) star/belly - 246.0 (11) 33) whatever/aimee mann - 231.0 (10) 37) mtv unplugged/10,000 maniacs - 204.0 (9) 41) into the labyrinth/dead can dance - 202.0 (9) 42) when i was a boy/jane siberry - 202.0 (8) 47) become what you are/the juliana hatfield three - 183.0 (8) 62) palomine/bettie serveert - 153.0 (6) 66) cuckoo/curve - 144.0 (6) 67) four calendar cafe/cocteau twins - 139.0 (5) 73) rid of me/pj harvey - 120.0 (5) 78) sweet relief: a tribute for victoria williams/various artists - 111.0 (4) 96) other voices, other rooms/nanci griffith - 101.0 (4) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ah well, *I* voted for Happy. Maybe one day... Vickie (miffed, but I'll get over it) ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: ecto-babble Date: Mon, 24 Jan 1994 15:34:59 -0800 (PST) > I'm almost positive that a Catherine Wheel is also those giant round stained > glass windows you can find in cathedral's. I've never understood how the > name came to be used for both. Todays challenge question for ectolinguists? Hmm... Just to add more confusion, I always thought a catherine wheel was a sparkling spinny firework that one uses on, for instance, Guy Fawkes' Day. You know, the round kind that's got fireworks on the perimeter of its wheel and so when you light it it spins 'round and 'round. Any AngloEctophiles out there care to comment? :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 18:53:49 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ecto-babble NeIl sparks: > Hmm... Just to add more confusion, I always thought a catherine wheel > was a sparkling spinny firework that one uses on, for instance, Guy > Fawkes' Day. You know, the round kind that's got fireworks on the > perimeter of its wheel and so when you light it it spins 'round and > 'round. > > Any AngloEctophiles out there care to comment? :) I think that I have no idea where the name came from, but that you just gave me a nice visualization. Thanks! Vickie ps, Twyla Tharp choreographed a piece call "The Catherine Wheel" and I *think* David Byrne scored it. I've never seen it. pps, nice haul Ilka! Please give Victoria more chances. It's so charming and can't be listened to or judged by any other artist's standards. Heard in the midst of all the other stuff you bought, yeah, it's going to sound strange. Play it sometime when you're feeling silly. (Though, I play it when I'm feeling down, because it perks me up. I can't listen to > - Neil K. > > -- > 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca > ======================================================================== From: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu (Hala'sz Sa'ndor) Subject: Re: ecto-babble Date: 24 Jan 94 23:57:21 GMT In article <9401242134.AA03746@grazia.ccrwest.org>, neal@ccrwest.ORG (Neal Copperman) writes: > I'm almost positive that a Catherine Wheel is also those giant round stained > glass windows you can find in cathedrals. I've never understood how the > name came to be used for both. Today's challenge question for ectolinguists? No, that is a "rose window". But there is a firework by that name ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 16:10:11 PST From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: whatever became of .....? hi -- all the talk of other groups and reviews has reminded me of two groups which i really like, but have not found much else about. The first is the ellen james society. kinda standard rock, but with some interesting lyrics.. i like 'em. but have only ever seen one album (reluctantly we, i think its called). the other group is from North Carolina and was pretty local, and were called the jody grind. they were bluesy rock and the vocalist was outstanding. i have tapes of tapes of two of their albums (hope you followed that), and was wondering if anyone has ever heard of them. i've about worn out the tapes and my friend with the originals has left :( oh yeah -- Michelle Shocked was TREMENDOUS. one of the best shows i've ever seen. she was having a great time as was the crowd. she was laughing and talking with the crowd. if you like her songs at all, then don't miss her if she comes near - she is a superb performer. **************************************************************** * Chris Farmer (805) 893-2532 |let me help you off with your * * Biology Dept., UCSB |golden chains / we'll throw * * Santa Barbara, CA 93106 |them in the river... * * farmer@lifesci.ucsb.edu | -penelope houston * **************************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 16:12:41 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Catherine Wheels >>>ps, Twyla Tharp choreographed a piece call "The Catherine Wheel" and >>>I *think* David Byrne scored it. I've never seen it. That is indeed correct. I have that disc, and it's quite good. One song from that "What A Day THat Was" is on the Stop Making Sense soundtrack. I have no idea what the production is about, or how it relates to any definition of Catherine Wheel's expressed so far, or any other definition not yet imagined. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 19:18:19 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ecto-babble > pps, nice haul Ilka! Please give Victoria more chances. It's so charming > and can't be listened to or judged by any other artist's standards. Heard > in the midst of all the other stuff you bought, yeah, it's going to sound > strange. Play it sometime when you're feeling silly. (Though, I play it > when I'm feeling down, because it perks me up. I can't listen to "Shoes" or "Happy" or "Frying Pan" without having a huge smile on my face. :-) Vickie ps, that's the dangers of shelling to answer a talk message instead of just saving the letter. I come back and hit return, bam, there it goes. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 16:22:50 PST From: farmer@lifesci.lscf.ucsb.edu (Chris Farmer) Subject: (MORE) whatever became of ...? hi -- all the talk of other groups and reviews has reminded me of two groups which i really like, but have not found much else about. The first is the ellen james society. kinda standard rock, but with some interesting lyrics.. i like 'em. but have only ever seen one album (reluctantly we, i think its called). the other group is from North Carolina and was pretty local, and were called the jody grind. they were bluesy rock and the vocalist was outstanding. i have tapes of tapes of two of their albums (hope you followed that), and was wondering if anyone has ever heard of them. i've about worn out the tapes and my friend with the originals has left :( oh yeah -- Michelle Shocked was TREMENDOUS. one of the best shows i've ever seen. she was having a great time as was the crowd. she was laughing and talking with the crowd. if you like her songs at all, then don't miss her if she comes near - she is a superb performer. chris ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 16:27:30 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: ecto-babble > > In article <9401242134.AA03746@grazia.ccrwest.org>, neal@ccrwest.ORG (Neal Copperman) writes: > > I'm almost positive that a Catherine Wheel is also those giant round stained > > glass windows you can find in cathedrals. I've never understood how the > > name came to be used for both. Today's challenge question for ectolinguists? Hala'sz Sa'ndor rebut's me: > No, that is a "rose window". But there is a firework by that name > and so I turn to the Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language (ok, it's what we had at work) which says Catherine wheel, 1. Heraldry, a charge representing a spiked wheel used as an instrument of torture. 2. See wheel window. 3. a kind of firework that is ignited and revolves on a pin, making a wheel of fire or sparks; pinwheel. Also, catherine wheel. [named after St. Catherine of Alexandria, from wheel used to torture her.] wheel window, a rose window having prominent radiating mullions. Also called Catherine wheel, marigold window. In my dictionary at home, I am sure the window definition was included in the main definition, when I looked it up for some unknown reason years ago. Wait, I remember, it was from the Simple Minds song, (Title or lyrics, I don't remember which) Colors FLy and Catherine Wheel. I think it's on New Gold Dream 81, 82, 83, 84. whatever. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 24 Jan 94 16:31:42 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Re: ecto-babble Vicki says: >nice haul Ilka! Please give Victoria more chances. Yes, do give Victoria WIlliams another chance. Her album has really grown on me. And I finally figured out an accurate description for her voice: She sounds like Bob Dylan on helium. I know that doesn't sound very flattering, but she really is terrific. Check her out, all you haven't yet, and give her another chance for those who have. Jeff Hanson ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)