Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #981 ecto, Number 981 Sunday, 30 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: The 30/30/30 rule Victoria Williams/Aimee Mann ALERT! Re: A couple questions... film fest Service Interruptus Re: cold, jane, concert tapes Re: Christine Lavin, Julie Gold & co. Re: The 30/30/30 rule Tonband Girl and other linguistically mixed metaphors The Bottom Line Re: The Bottom Line Rhodes 2... Re: Global Alert For All: Happy is coming soon! Re: The 30/30/30 rule A.M.F.T.U. Re: Tonband Girl and other linguistically mixed metaphors RE: Toy Matinee Loreena McKennitt i don't care if you spiral downward as long as you're not a thermometer ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: The 30/30/30 rule Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:17:59 -0800 (PST) Mike Mendelson wrote a while ago: > Neil K: > |And I say "pop" and not "soda" as well, like most Canadians. :) > > No way. Most hosers say "soda". No question. Errr... upon what do you base this assumption? I've never done an exhaustive survey, but all of my thoroughly Canadian friends say "pop." I don't think I've ever heard "soda" being used in Canada except in the context of "club soda", which is a kind of pop. In fact, the Kim Mitchell song "Go for Soda" sort of puzzled me as I didn't know quite what he meant first time I heard it. I guess "Go for Pop" just sounded like a dumb title. Oh, and speaking of regional things, I'm curious about the geographical spread of the game crokinole. Who out there knows what crokinole is? Just wonderin'! Finally, here's an ecto-netiquette question. When you reply to a message someone's posted do you send a cc: to ecto and direct the reply to their mailbox? I generally just send the message straight to ecto so that the recipient doesn't get two copies, but should I be sending a cc: out of courtesy? Gee, I *really* don't know! :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 15:20:29 -0500 (EST) From: consid Subject: Victoria Williams/Aimee Mann ALERT! I'm back on the digest and not staying up-to-the-minute with ecto, so forgive me if this is old news, but TONIGHT (Fri) Victoria Williams will be on "Late Show with David Letterman" (11:35 p.m., CBS), followed by Aimee Mann on "Late Night with Conan O'Brien" (12:35 a.m., NBC). Don't miss!! --Sue Trowbridge * * * * * * * * * * consid@access.digex.net * * * * * * * * * * I had on my headphones, along with those eyes That you get when your circumstance is movie-sized * * * * * * * * * * * * * --Liz Phair * * * * * * * * * * * * * ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 14:46:46 -0500 (EST) From: King o' Pain Subject: Re: A couple questions... Jeff wrote: >I have Titanic Days and I really like it. There are a couple of songs that >don't entirely grab me, but overall I think its her best album. I totally agree. Anyone having second thoughts about purchasing _Titanic Days_ should put them aside and immediately get this CD. I was having my doubts about Kirsty after _Electric Landlady_ since it's very inconsistent. While there are some truly wonderful songs on _EL_, especially "Halloween," there are also all those songs that sound like she's hired a mariachi band to perform with her. Anyway, _TD_ renewed my faith. I loved it the first time I heard it, and I still keep going back for more. The album is full of intelligent lyrics and beautiful arrangements. Plus, "Soho Square" and "Titanic Days" are just perfect songs. >Recently, the local alternative station has been playing the song "Angel" >off _Titanic Days_, though I'm not sure why. I don't think it is a single, >and I feel that it is one of the most boring songs on the album-- >especially its lyrics. But who can figure out why radio stations play the >things they do. I think Kirsty's record company might have been toying with the idea of making "Angel" the first single. I got a promo CD called "Advance Music from Titanic Days" before the actual CD came out. It had 5 songs on it, and the lead track was "Angel." "Can't Stop Killing You" was buried somewhere in the middle. So, I just assumed that "Angel" would be the first single. Then, the local college radio station started playing "Angel." But when the commercial "alternative" station here picked up on Kirsty, they started playing "Can't Stop Killing You." Apparently, somewhere along the way, the powers-that-be decided that "Angel" wouldn't be the single after all. Anyway, it was probably for the best. "CSKY" gives first-time listeners a better idea of what Kirsty is like, although I personally have no complaints about "Angel." Stuart ______________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg "I need more things. I need more money. Emory Univ. Law School Don't want to work. Want things for free." labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu -Jane Siberry _o_ |< ______________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 15:31:02 -0500 From: Mike Matthews Subject: So I played Bel Canto's Birds of Passage at work today, because I haven't played it here in a while. Stu, who is one of the folks who have decent taste in music (e.g. he liked Happy Rhodes for the most part), asked, "Is this the new Tori?" I wish. Mike ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 13:38:20 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: film fest I bought a pass to the San Diego International Film Festival, which takes place about a mile from my house, and have been having a great time checking out lots of bizarre movies. I didn't want to post an endless stream of notes about films that weren't readily available anyway, but I thought some people might get a kick out of seeing the schedule. Also, since there are films from England, Australia, and Russia, I thought maybe some Ectophiles from those places might have some info on the movies. If anyone wants to know more about any of the movies, I'd be glad to post something. I should be able to make it to just about all the films. NeaL January 12: Blink (appearance by director Michael Apted) (USA) 13: Blue (France) 18: Beginning & End (Mexico) 20: Stella Polaris (Norway) 25: Calendar (Armenia) February 1: Romeo Is Bleeding (England) 4: Sopyonje (Korea) 8: Our Twisted Hero (Korea) 11: Marriage Story (Korea) 15: That Woman, That Man (Korea) 22: Savage Nights (France) March 1: Sandra, C'est La Vie (Switzerland) 8: Southern Winds (Philipines/Japan/Thailand/Malaysia) 29: Quartier Mozart (Cameroon) April 5: The Mao Years (USA) 12: Galaxies Are Colliding (appearance by director John Ryman USA) 15: Maya (India) 19: Beijing Bastards (China) 26: This Won't Hurt A Bit (Australia) May 3: A Short Night 10: Une Nouvelle Vie (France) 17: The Scarlet Flower (Russia) 22: The Grey Wolf (Russia) 24: Red Beads (China) 31: Tout Ca Pour Ca (France) ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 11:54:00 BST Subject: Service Interruptus Hello to one and all, or not - Genie is exhibiting strange behaviour as the East Coast freezes. Sometimes I get on, sometimes there's lots of mail, sometimes none. My last post to ecto has not yet bounced to me. "Tis a sad thing to be missing out on all your wonderful tedium! Mitch, I *never* scan your posts. In fact, I read all your posts. When things get real busy here I archive to floppy and bring it into work. A quick question- anyone here who uses Compuserve? (Bob Brown, are you around these days?). I was curious to know if they had "full" net.access with IRC and telnet. Now that I've mentioned Bob, how've you been? I have to get going with NASWA, btw! Well, I hope this gets out! If you are reading this relatively close to 1/20/94, then I've been successful. Take care all! Still enjoying the H*Ps, I remain +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com+ Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 13:51:41 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: cold, jane, concert tapes woj - I would love to see a list of your concert tapes. Even if you aren't ready to be bombarded with requests for dubs, it would still be interesting to see what you've got. Do you make many tapes yourself, or are these acquired from others? I have been considering buying a little tape deck to make some copies myself. I've seen a number of shows that I would love to have on tape. Anyone have any suggestions on what to get or tips on how to do it. My impression is that it is not illegal as long as you don't sell them. IS this true? SOme places say no taping equipment allowed, but if you smuggle something in, what have you violated. Is it just a house rule, so they could throw you out, or is there some sort of law? Is there any chance that they could confiscate the recorder? Sounds unlikely, but I was kind of curious. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:10:58 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Christine Lavin, Julie Gold & co. Aeren notes: > > Hi all! Our local newspaper has an ad for an upcoming show here in Urbana > featuring Christine Lavin, Julie Gold, Megan McDonough and Sally Fingerett, > called (apparently) "Buy me, Bring me, Take me: Don't Mess my Hair!" > Two shows, actually, Saturday the 22nd at 3 and 8. Does anyone have > the slightest idea what this is? > I saw a brief answer to this, but I can give a few more details. The above quoted section, with "Life According to Four Bitchin' Babes" apppended is the title of the first album by the Babes, which included Patty Larkin instead of Julie Gold. It was recorded live at the Birchmere in Alexandria Virginia and is a great disc. The singers rotate around, taking the lead on songs with the others playing back-up. Christine Lavin, in case you've never heard her, sings hilarious songs, and the whole evening is very light hearted and entertaining. THis was a relatively successful outing, so they have continued to do these concerts. I actually saw the show at the Birchmere on the second tour, with Julie Gold, and I would say that Patty Larkin was sorely missed. Julie Gold seems by far the least talented of the Babes. Her claim to fame is writing the song "From A Distance", which seems a fair example of her songwriting (and one I'm not very impressed with). She also has a very mediocre voice (actually, pretty poor) although she seemed pretty likable. The show was great, and I would see it again if it was in my area, although I had hoped that they might have pulled in some other people. I really liked Sally Fingerett, and have since bought two of her discs. Megan Mcdonough had a very good voice, but seemed to be too self conscious a singer and wrote and chose kind of uninteresting songs. Neal ======================================================================== Subject: Re: The 30/30/30 rule Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 18:18:15 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Neil sez: >Finally, here's an ecto-netiquette question. When you reply to a >message someone's posted do you send a cc: to ecto and direct the >reply to their mailbox? I generally just send the message straight to >ecto so that the recipient doesn't get two copies, but should I be >sending a cc: out of courtesy? Gee, I *really* don't know! :) For what it's worth, I *hate* getting the same mail item, addressed to both Ecto and to myself via a CC: in my inbox. Absolutely hate it. I never send out two copies of anything *unless* the person I'm responding to has asked for e-mail responses and I think it may be of interest to a newsgroup. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 17:44:45 CST From: Amateur mindless fucking tedious uninformed groupie Subject: Tonband Girl and other linguistically mixed metaphors Flash: Loreena Bobbitt got off.* (John, of course, also apparently got off _on_ what he did to merit such treatment, but that's neither here nor there.) *She did pull 45 days of shrink observation, but I suppose it could have been worse. This morning, I got the _Morning Edition_ feature on Kate down on tape. (I originally thought of calling this post "Tonband Ma"dchen and other stories" but decided that the pun on the first cut from TRS that they excerpted would be too attenuated that way.) Naturally I can't remember that much off the top of my head, but she did say she doesn't think of herself as a singer, and that she wants to crank things out faster to give them more immediacy. Perhaps one of these days I can listen to the tape more leisurely, and absorb more of it. For Vickie's benefit and use: NPR is at 2025 M St. NW, Washington, DC 20036. I don't know if (202) 822-3232 is just their tape order number, or their genera l number. But indeed, if they can do Kate they can do Happy. Neil speaks of ecto's availability as a newsgroup in many lands: >Anyone else feel this or am I just uptight and being me? IMHO WIVH, you're just being you, Neil--not that Mister Rogers would have any problem with that :-). My subjective sense, however, is that this is simply because some sites, in the sweet name of reducing system overhead, require that mailing lists be gated to the newsfeed. My guess is that in the aggregate, pro portionately few readers of these pages read them that way, and that the kind of reader about whom Neil is most worried will usually give up on all this once they decide it's amateur mindless fucking tedious uninformed :-), and leave us the hell alone from then on. WRT language and games: Last week, _Empty Nest_ had an episode in which Carol takes her new baby to a mother and child class, and notes to the other mothers that "Ring Around the Rosie" had its roots in the medieval plagues, etc., just as we discussed. Most of the episode centered around Carol's anxiety that she was a terrible mother. All that inspired me to look up the discussion of the 1961 film _All Fall Down_ in David Considine's book _The Cinema of Adolescence_ . In that film, Angela Lansbury's character is in fact a terrible mother, as a result of which her elder son, as played by Warren Beatty, is grossly screwed up. Strange how these things interrelate, ain't it? :-) WRT our latest flame warrior wannabe, Neil says: > Strange. I wonder what his motivations were. I >mean, is he just totally socially inept and unaware of his own >behaviour or did he get a curious adolescent pleasure out of going up >to a group of friendly people and saying pointlessly nasty things? In the classic archetype, the old-fashioned hacker (in the negative sense) was both of those things to some degree. WRT Neil's more arcane point of nettiquette: The cc to ecto is usually done because the direct reply feature of some mailers, left to itself, would send the reply only to the poster. It's the list that you really want to send to anyway; the copy to the poster is epiphenomenal. WRT the San Diego film fest: The Sun-Times did a story on _Blink_ last Sun- day, noting that many familiar Wicker Park landmarks can be seen. Which familiar Rogers Park landmarks are in it remains to be seen. Bob lovejoys: > Mitch, I *never* scan your posts. In fact, I read all your posts. That's the highest tribute anyone, anywhere has paid me in the past week or so :-). Someone should do empirical research on whether my posts can outperform Reader's Digest's "It Pays to Increase Your Word Power" feature at its own game :-). Off to see if the squirrel that found its way inside this morning has managed to stay out of fights with the cats. Happy birthday to Roe v. Wade. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 18:01:59 CST From: Subject: The Bottom Line As a consolation to those who, like Meredith, have been up against sold-out dates at the Bottom Line, here is a posting to folk_music that might be of interest WRT alternative dates to bet the farm on. Mitch ========================================================================= Sender: folk_music@nysernet.ORG Precedence: bulk From: bbuck To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Bottom Line X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas X-Comment: Folk Music Mailing List Sender: bbuck Subject: The Bottom Line New York City is exceptionally blessed by the presence of The Bottom Line. Almost every night of the week one can hear live folk music at a reasonable price. Now, they are beginning their 20th anniversary celebration with a series of concerts. Most acts have 2 shows a night, 7:30 and 10:30, and most cost $17.50. Here is the schedule. Jan 19: On a winter's night (John Gorka, Patty Larkin, Cheryl Wheeler, Cliff Eberhardt)\ Jan 20: Writers in the round (Rosanne Cash, Marc Cohn, Joy Ely, Lucinda Williams) Jan 21: Marshall Crenshaw & Band + Joy Askew Jan 25: Darlene Love (also Feb. 9, 16 & 23) Jan 26: Peter Himmelman + Moxy Fruvous Jan 27: Nils Lofgren + Eric Ambel & Roscoe's Gang Jan 28: An evening with Betty Jan 29: The Fast Folk Music Revue Jan 31: Taj Mahal + John Simon & The Producers Feb 1: Janis Ian + The Story Feb 2: In their own words (A bunch of songwriters sittin' around singing) Feb 3: Jan Siberry + Shawn Colvin + Victoria Williams Feb 4-5-6: Al Kooper's 50th birthday bash 4: with The Blues Project 5: with Child is Father to the Man 6: with The Rekooperators Feb 7: Barenaked Ladies Feb 8: Crash Test Dummies + The October Project Feb 10: John Hammond + Lil' Charlie & The Nightcats + Four Men and a Dog Feb 11 & 12: David Johansen Feb 13: Leo Kottke Feb 14: Shawn Colvin + Richard Thompson Feb 18: Roger McGuinn + The Heartbeats Rhythm Quartet Feb 19: The Roches Feb 24: Tasmin Archer Feb 25: Alison Krauss & Union Station Feb 26: Jon Scofield Quartet + Gary Burton Quartet Mar 3 & 4: Luka Bloom Mar 5: NRBQ Mar 10: Rockapella Mar 11: Billy Cobham Mar 18: Annie Haslam Mar 19: Christine Lavin + More shows to be announced If you are planning a trip to New York, schedule it around The Bottom Line! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 16:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Emily Breed Subject: Re: The Bottom Line On Fri, 21 Jan 1994 U15289@uicvm.bitnet wrote: > Mar 3 & 4: Luka Bloom Oh, please please PLEASE someone tell me that Luka will be actually touring, and not just playing in NYC! -- Emily ======================================================================== From: freeform@aol.com Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 20:53:09 EST Subject: Rhodes 2... Hi... I would like to know what everyone's opinion of the _Rhodes 2_ album is.. I just heard it for the first time yesterday, and found that none of the songs really grabbed me as much as when I first heard _Rhodes 1_. That's not to say I didn't like it, however. I did like it and I'm looking forward to hearing it again. But I think it will take me longer to get into it. Did anyone else have a similar experience with this album? Ah, Kate's "Hello Earth" is playing as I write this. Sheer heaven!! Kate's music sounds GREAT played loud... Charles ======================================================================== From: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu (Hala'sz Sa'ndor) Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Happy is coming soon! Summary: The sandal-dust rule Date: 22 Jan 94 03:23:48 GMT > Well, you didn't put as rude a reply as I did. Heh. :) And he > certainly outdid any possible rudeness on your part with his next > message, didn't he? Strange. I wonder what his motivations were. I > mean, is he just totally socially inept and unaware of his own > behaviour or did he get a curious adolescent pleasure out of going up > to a group of friendly people and saying pointlessly nasty things? A > mystery, 'tis true! :) These latterdai prophets often forget that within the tradition out of which thei speak there is a mandate to be effectiv. Jesus s disciples were not to waste time on touns that did not listen to them. Paul went out of his wai to be "all things to all men". In Israel one was to know a prophet by this, that that which he forecasted came tru. Furthermore, the prophet was to answer for the effectivness of his warnings to the wicked. There is a decided element of pragmatism within this, not heeded by those who imagin themselvs so full of the Spirit that there is no need to be prudent. Fool I once had the interesting experience in New York of being in the subwai station whilst all and sundrie were harangued by such a fellow. Seems it nevver entered his head that to invoke the Bible on those who deny its authoritie is a waste of time. ======================================================================== From: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu (Hala'sz Sa'ndor) Subject: Re: The 30/30/30 rule Summary: Pop is sweet? Date: 22 Jan 94 03:28:09 GMT In article <9401212018.AA26846@kits.sfu.ca> from neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy): > > Errr... upon what do you base this assumption? I've never done an > exhaustive survey, but all of my thoroughly Canadian friends say > "pop." I don't think I've ever heard "soda" being used in Canada > except in the context of "club soda", which is a kind of pop. Not here, seems to me. It is not sweet, nor flavord but with salt > Oh, and speaking of regional things, I'm curious about the > geographical spread of the game crokinole. Who out there knows what > crokinole is? Just wonderin'! Huh? ======================================================================== From: louis@netcom.com (Roy Sette) Subject: A.M.F.T.U. Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 19:49:57 -0800 (PST) >PLEASE - HELP ME OUT OF THIS AMATEUR MINDLESS FUCKING TEDIOUS UNINFORMED GROUP I always thought Ecto was a professional intelligent fucking succinct informed group, myself. So I agree with the fucking part. :-) :-) :-) -- Roy louis@netcom.com ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Tonband Girl and other linguistically mixed metaphors Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 00:49:09 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Mitch sez: >WRT Neil's more arcane point of nettiquette: The cc to ecto is usually done >because the direct reply feature of some mailers, left to itself, would send >the reply only to the poster. It's the list that you really want to send to >anyway; the copy to the poster is epiphenomenal. Implying that ecto readers are too lazy (or incapable?) of erasing the rest of the line following the string "To:" and replace it with ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu (or "ecto" or whatever they have as an alias?) I'll buy lazy, but not stupid. But rather than those, I'd prefer to guess "don't realize what they're doing or that it wastes bandwidth" >> Mitch, I *never* scan your posts. In fact, I read all your posts. > >That's the highest tribute anyone, anywhere has paid me in the past week or so >:-). For what it's worth, I *almost* never scan your posts. ;-) But there are days when I only have so many hours to devote to ecto.... Jeff (thinking he ought to do something about this asthma attack and then get back to the VCR 'cause Aimee will be on O'Brien soon. Caught VW's performance on Letterman and it was superb (got it on tape, too!)) ======================================================================== From: airdance@aol.com Date: Sat, 22 Jan 94 01:51:08 EST Subject: RE: Toy Matinee Ok folks, I HAD to come out of lurker mode after I read these comments! :-) >I've been meaning to mention Toy Matinee for a while. As far as I know, >they only put out one album, which is a pop masterpiece. The group >consists of Patrick Leonard, who has written songs with/for Madonna and >Pink Floyd, among others, and ... uh ... someone else. I've seen the >disc in cut out bins a lot. >>Kevin Gilbert. I had never heard of Toy Matinee until the Happy Gift >>Project this past holiday season (one of Gilbert's pieces from his >>Giraffe project was on it, which I really liked). Last weekend I saw >>_Toy Matinee_ in the bargain tapes bin at a supermarket, so I picked it >>up. I think it's excellent; none of the songs are stinkers, and a few >>("Last Plane Out", "The Ballad of Jenny Ledge") are GREAT. It's been >>stuck in my Walkman for a few days. >>>listed Toy Matinee on his sheet. So when I came across this for a measley >>>$1 at Spectrum, I snatched it up. Well, 70s style progressive it ain't, >>>but enjoyable it is. Well crafted pop/rock tunes with excellent production >>>to boot. I second (or I think it's third now) the recommendation of this >>>more than affordable disc. There are a few people on this mailing list reading this note right now who just *KNEW* I couldn't resist saying something!! You all know who you are. ;-) Consider this note a very enthusiastic *fourth* recommendation for Toy Matinee. :-) I first heard "Last Plane Out" on my car radio while driving down the highway in the summer of 1990 and was so impressed with this catchy song that I almost ended up driving off the road in excitement. ;-) I stopped at a mall on the way home, picked up the album and was equally impressed with the rest of the tracks. Intelligent pop/rock at it's finest. :-) I'm the person who put the pre-Toy Matinee Kevin Gilbert (Giraffe) song on the HGP '93. :-) Since my almost accidental discovery of Toy Matinee back in '90 (but a "happy" accident at that!), I'm proud to say that over the past year Kevin has become a close friend of mine. :-) He's an incredibly creative person and an absolutely brilliant musician. Those who have heard the Giraffe albums know that he was the *real* driving force behind the Toy Matinee project, although most music lovers are no doubt more familiar with Patrick Leonard's name because of his work with Madonna, Pink Floyd, Julian Lennon and Roger Waters. If *any* of you are interested in hearing the two Giraffe albums, "The Power Of Suggestion" and "The View From Here", I would be *more* than "happy" to dub copies for you if you supply me with blank tapes. :-) I wish I could just tell you to go out and buy copies, but they were only released locally in California and have long since gone out of print. :-( Since Happy has often mentioned her love of progressive rock in interviews, I thought she might enjoy one of Kevin's older, more progressive Giraffe songs. I'm glad some Ectophiles seemed to have enjoyed my contribution to the HGP '93. :-) In true Ectophile/Happyvangelizing style, I made Kevin a Happy Sampler tape several months ago and, although he does not worship her yet as he does the goddesses Kate and Tori, he was very impressed with her musicianship and even more impressed with the fact that she's done it all independently, which is how he made the two Giraffe albums. Sad, but true, the Toy Matinee album has been relegated to the cut-out bins and Everything's A Dollar Stores after selling about 200,000 copies initially. :-( The good news is that Kevin has *two* new albums coming out this year - a "pop" album in April and another "progressive" Giraffe album coming out in the fall. The releases are being handled by Patrick Reins (Aimee Mann's manager), but there's no definite word as to what label yet (the names Geffen & Elektra are being thrown around, however.:-) If he gets a positive enough response to the new albums, I may end up running his fan club or putting together a newsletter-type thing to send to interested parties. I don't know yet if I'm quite up to handling that monumental task, but if *anyone* wants to know more about what he's up to now or if you just want to know more background about Toy Matinee and Giraffe, *PLEASE* e-mail me and include your name/address and any other information you might want to include. :-) Kevin will be so pleased to know that four years after Toy Matinee release, people are still discovering the album and care about the music that was made! :-) BTW, Kevin & I are also Southern California residents and we both felt the earthquake *quite* strongly. =8-O Luckily, I had no damage to my apartment (I live in Corona, about an hour away from the epicenter), but he only lives about 15 miles from Northridge and had part of the 9-ft tall wooden fence around his house fall down (EEK!), plus all of his dishes were broken, his tv set was smashed and everything else he owns was knocked onto the floor. :-( But no physical injuries, thank goodness! I hope everyone else out there in the quake zone is ok! My thoughts and prayers go out to you all. I felt several of those aftershocks today all the way out here in Riverside County. :-( Jennifer Albert (e-mail: p.terrell@genie.geis.com & air dance@aol.com) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 23:07:10 PST From: tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: Loreena McKennitt after a friendly call to Stratos (distributor of Warner Bros.) It seems that the new album (the buggers wouldn't say the title) has been delayed until at least March. Reason given -- contract negotiations. troy. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 23:09:04 -0800 (PST) From: kelly baker Subject: i don't care if you spiral downward as long as you're not a thermometer the best explanation of the title under the pink that i've heard so far is in the us magazine article it says "With a face like an angel and a voice to match, Amos combines New Age loopiness with a no-nonsense bluntness that can leave listeners reeling. Her most recent album, *Under the Pink*, like her 1992 breakthrough, *Little Earthquakes*, sucker-punches an audience expecting sweet long songs and instead explores the rocky terrain and painful extremes of being female. Beneath the "pink" and pristine veneer of lady-like behavior, she implies, there lurks an unhealthy dose of anger, bitchiness, and fear." missy said all the radio stations she talked to had only the title track on their god single. wyep 91.3 pittsburgh has the actual single tho, with home on the range, all the girls hate her, and over it. not that i have heard any of them. no, the dj who was on last time i tried requesting new tori gave me smells like teen spirit. sheesh. so it's my second day working in a record store, and it's the third question anyone's asked me, and a girl about my age comes up to me, and she asks me if i know anything about tori amos. heh heh. heh. heh. if you know me, you're laughing now. luckily for her i hadn't yet adjusted to the idea that i was now getting *paid* to talk about music, so i looked guiltily over my shoulder to see if anyone was noticing that i was about to have fun, and told myself very firmly, "short form! let her out alive!" or perhaps it was unlucky for her, because this girl seemed to have more than a passing interest. i guess it had something to do with questions like "do you know a *lot* about her? where did she grow up?" i gave her the one minute bio and told her to come back on the first to pick up under the pink. five minutes later i started with the "doh's." "doh ...i forgot to tell her about eric. doh ..i forgot to tell her that her father's a minister. doh ...i forgot to tell her about the me and a gun experience. doh ...i didn't tell her about any fan clubs. doh.. but she'll be back, and so will others like her. with this album, tori will be huge. i can feel it. the only track i've heard so far is god, but i just *know* that that song is accessible enough that it will place tori smack in the middle of this kate bush belly breeders wave that is overtaking mainstream music and infiltrating it with "alternativeness" and forcing people to say "what the hell is alternative anyway that sounds like a catch-all phrase to me." my boss heard me playing mae moore and melissa ferrick and sent me home with a promo copy of the october project, which i had never heard of before. i haven't had a chance to listen to it very throughly yet, but they sound wonderful; my impression is lushy-folky with meaningful lyrics...the story meets the cranberries. someone also bought a copy of rhodesongs, and when i asked her where she'd heard of happy, she said wyep had played her. i guess they can't be all bad. :) and that reminded me to go move happy rhodes from the "h" section to the "r" section. vickie. ;) why did the boston globe article say tori is twenty nine? the us article said that too. she's thirty, dammit. kelly a.k.a. IT'S COLD IN PITTSBURGH! p.s. me! i like nin too! ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)