Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #980 ecto, Number 980 Sunday, 30 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Tori on Top of the Pops Re: ecto #974 Hidden Messages from God Victoria Williams on Letterman Friday I'm BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCK (As long as it lasts) A few things... ...and the rest... the Global mess Re: ecto #974 Kate on NPR Tori's new song(s) KaTe film at UCB Re: Kate on NPR Tribe in Worcester Re: ecto #974 A couple questions... Re: A few things... Always Read the Liner Notes Victoria and Loreena Re: A couple questions... Re: Global blah blah .... Re: A couple questions... (Anna Domino) Re: A couple questions... Re: Global Alert For All: Happy is coming soon! ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 09:53:57 GMT Subject: Tori on Top of the Pops Tori was on TotP singing "Cornflake Girl" last night, they showed snippets of the "Cornflake Girl" video which looked really good. Maybe they'll show the *whole* video on the chart show tomorrow morning. tim ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 10:01:33 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: Re: ecto #974 >>>>> "Tim" == Tim Cook writes: Tim> Poor old Terry! Yeah, but, what stumped me was "AMATEUR". Given the remit of this mailing list, what exactly did he expect? Hey Terry! You still there? What were you expecting? Free Happy disks? Daily bulletins from her? Deep, meaningful quackery about ectoplasmic phenomenomena? Tim> # # # # ##### ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # Tim> # # # ####### ####### # # # #### ##### ####### # # # # # # # # # # Tim> # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ##### ##### ##### Tim> to everyone (terry included) I can but agree with your sentiments. Evidently SuperCite feels differently, however. I. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 04:41:56 -0600 From: vnozick@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Valerie Nozick) Subject: Hidden Messages from God Has anyone figured out what Tori is saying at 2:26 in 'God'? It sounds like a biblical quotation (on my crappy system it sounds like 'give my body strength until...'). I had no religious training to speak of growing up, so I was deprived of a thorough knowledge of the Old and New Testaments. (I tried taking a college course, but it was at 9 a.m...zzzz) The more I listen to this song, the more I love it. What genius! ============================================================================== Valerie Nozick vnozick@merle.acns.nwu.edu "Just being alive, it can really hurt. And these moments given are a gift from time." -- Kate Bush ============================================================================ == ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 04:08:42 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Victoria Williams on Letterman Friday During tonight's show Letterman said Victoria Williams would be on tomorrow. (Friday) I saw it so long ago I'm beginning to think I heard it wrong. :) AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< Short sign on short post. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:33:11 +0100 From: yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) Subject: I'm BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCK (As long as it lasts) I've just come back after my Christmas break and I got some good news and some bad news. The good news is that I might be back short time after I leave Tromsoe in about 2 weeks but the bad news is that I'm nor sure about it :( If I'm not getting an account back home I'll be gone for about 2 years :( Yngve ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 01:37:52 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: A few things... grrr... I do *not* expect people to ring at 1.20am... now I've forgotten one of the things I meant to ask... oh well... if it's important perhaps I'll remember later... Incidentally, did you ever think how irritating it would be if you had to use a function key in order to type the letter "t" 'cause your "t" key refused to carry out it's given task in life? Vickie vickied in response to Michael: > > Enjoy Jane! > > Always! The choice of an ecto generation??? The main reason for my writing was to ask a question or three... I was in one of the few stores with 2nd hand CDs 'round here and saw the following: Meryn Cadell: "Angel Food For Thought" Kirsty MacColl (sp?): "Kite" and a couple by Joni Mitchell... These names all rang bells, and at the risk of asking people to repeat themselves, could someone tell me a bit about them please? For those who asked, I have finally begun typing in some Maori legends, (that thread seems quite old now, doesn't it :) and will send them off in the not too distant future... I hope you don't mind the wait too much!! (if anyone else is interested, let me know) Philip (who is hoping beyond hope that Jane will take a wander over to Wellington after her visit to the music festival in Australia which she is gracing with her presence...) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 22 Jan 1994 03:02:47 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: ...and the rest... Hmmm... I haven't recieved anything from ecto for over twelve hours now! Something's wrong somewhere methinks :( (The last post I recieved was Brad's "disappear fear" one...) woj: a live performance catalogue? Yes yes yes!!!! :) brni writes: > hmmm. we played Bat. sorta like a mixture of hide-and-seek, and > tag, but with a baseball bat. Yow! (pictures batter discovering a cowering hider and 'tagging' them in a not exactly painless manner...) Tim Cooks (despite the lack of utilities): > Mother Shiptons cave (luxury 1 bed - no utilities!) is just a few miles > down the road from me. There's a petrifying stream outside the cave > where people hang various items and over a period of time they turn to stone. That's amazing... you see I have a petrifying brick in the back yard, and if you leave things by it for a period of time, they do the same thing!!! ;-) Jeff jeffs: The weather has been > great here, as always, consistently about 70 degrees (Fahrenheit). Well seeing as how you survived to write that, I'll believe you :) Ethan: I'd love to see the MiSTied "Global Alert" posting! Brad: Thanks for your posting about your extended trip and WIWAB and everything... Well, I've just gotten had three pieces of mail arrive in quick succession so perhaps I'm recieving okay again... That's all for now, Philip ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Jan 94 17:23:30 CST From: kiri Subject: the Global mess fortunately i missed that post, but i'm sure it would have infuriated me, much the same as the King Jesus is Coming billboard on rt 82 does. or the I love You....jesus christ billboard or the 41,000 mudered babies. and on and on... *grin* I had a really great find in atlanta this past weekend. Split Enz Dizrythmia disk for $7 weee... I just read the interview with the vampire again.... if Neil follows the book we shouldn't be seeing much of lestat...thankfully! but who knows what the film script is like kiri ======================================================================== From: halasz@caip.rutgers.edu (Hala'sz Sa'ndor) Subject: Re: ecto #974 Date: 21 Jan 94 15:36:18 GMT In article <9401211001.AA18152@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk> froms imy@WCL-RS.BHAM.AC.UK (Ian Young): > Yeah, but, what stumped me was "AMATEUR". Given the remit of this ... Yes, "amateurs" of recordings ... ======================================================================== Date: 21 Jan 94 10:44:54 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Kate on NPR Although I'm sure alot of people heard this too, Kate Bush was featured on Morning Edition (National Public Radio, US) this (Friday Jan. 21) morning. She said some interesting things. I didn't tape it, but the spoken parts were pretty minimal so someone might transcribe it. She said singing for her was not essential... but writing music was. They played some clips from TRS. Very nice. Wish Happy would get featured like this. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 10:54:20 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: Tori's new song(s) Okay, you guys, help me out here. I got "Cornflake Girl" last Friday. But I was unable to find "God" anywhere. And you guys are saying it's a domestic release. If that's so, shouldn't it be fairly easy to obtain? I mean, this is New York. I can find just about anything here. What gives? Maybe it wasn't available last week, but it is now? Maybe the release everybody else got was a promo which I can't get? Can anybody answer these burning questions? Oh yeah, one more thing. I love "Cornflake Girl," but I'm afraid I'm a little too flakey to get it. What's it about? Who are the raison girls? What or who does she mean by "rabbit"? Anybody care to offer an explanation, a theory or a half-baked idea? This may be yet another tedious, mindless, and yes, uninformed message [:-)], but I really want to know! Can anyone help a poor dumb blond (no offense to any other blonds in the world intended) guy out? -Sam ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 08:02:40 PST From: tjshadb@ecto.ca.sandia.gov (Troy J. Shadbolt) Subject: KaTe film at UCB Hate to blast this to everybody; but I guess I'm just in a tedious mood (TM). Could one of the highly respectable and likable Berkeley Bunch check into tickets for the Line, the Cross, the Curve and send poor me a message with like, oh a phone number and $$? I have this terrible feeling that the answer is going to be 'package deal- buy a ticket to the whole festival to see one movie'. Again, nice to have some voices and faces to attach to addresses. troy, whogetstospendonewholedaynotworryingiftheexperimentisgoingtoblowaholein thewallandthenextwallandthenextwall. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 12:15:36 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Kate on NPR MJM says: > Although I'm sure alot of people heard this too, > Kate Bush was featured on Morning Edition > (National Public Radio, US) this (Friday Jan. 21) morning. > She said some interesting things. I didn't tape it, > but the spoken parts were pretty minimal so someone might > transcribe it. She said singing for her was not essential... > but writing music was. They played some clips from TRS. > Very nice. Wish Happy would get featured like this. I heard it too! Funny, a bunch of people were in #ecto and 3 of us were listening to it at the same time: Alex Gibbs in Tucson, AZ, Steve Lamb in Sacramento, CA and yours truly in Chicago. It was Steve's first exposure to Kate too (now he hates me, now he has *another* great artist to get into :-)). They played bits from RG, ASIL, SOS and MOP (everyone got their abbreviation guide handy...?). The main report was by Andy Lymon(sp?) with quotes from David Stanton (anyone know who he is? they just said "music reviewer") and bits of Kate talking. It was an interview done specifically for NPR, so she must have done it while in New York. (Though isn't Morning Edition taped in Philadelphia or Washington?) It's nice to know she did *something* besides the Tower signing while in America :-) Chris is, at this very moment, working on a sound file...details to come. I...um...can't guarantee I'll be able to transcribe it. At least, not today. Anyone else a faster typist? This reviewer fella, David Stanton, mentioned Tori Amos and Jane Siberry as a younger generation of singers who have been influenced by Kate. Of course...but it's still always nice to hear their names on the radio. National radio, at that. Wonder how many people heard this interview? (We can guess at quite a few thousand stuck in horrible traffic jams in Los Angeles alone.) Kate's voice is so beautiful! I've always adored her speaking voice. (I'll never forget the first time I heard it. Lovely, lovely Peter Fitzgerald-Morris sent me a wonderful tape with radio interviews. I got it in the mail, yelled "YAY!!", zoomed in to the house yelling for my sister-in-law to COMEHERE!COMEHERE!! and ran into my room where the cassete deck was. She came running in, thinking that the bedroom was on fire or something and screamed "WHAT'S WRONG???" and I held the tape up, and said "Look! Kate *SPEAKS*!" (ok, so she wasn't quite as excited as I was :-), but I still have and cherish that tape Peter. Through the years, it has always been dear to me. Thank you.) Vickie ps, heya, does anyone know how to get in touch with these guys David Stanton and/or Andy Lymon? ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 11:41:17 EST From: ksilver@zeus.st.3com.com (Keith Silver) Subject: Tribe in Worcester I saw in Newbury Comics yesterday that Tribe is going to be playing at a place called Bowler's in Worcester Massachusetts on January 28th. I've never been there, but have heard that it is near and similar to Ralph's. It's probably pretty small. I'm going to try and get more info. If anybody wants to know what I find out (or knows more than I do already), drop me a line. ks ksilver@engr.ST.3Com.COM "Peter would like to apologize for rhyming garment with varmint twice on the same record." Think Tree ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 10:00:10 -0800 (PST) From: Emily Breed Subject: Re: ecto #974 On 21 Jan 1994, Hala'sz Sa'ndor wrote: > In article <9401211001.AA18152@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk> froms imy@WCL-RS.BHAM.AC.UK (Ian Young): > > Yeah, but, what stumped me was "AMATEUR". Given the remit of this ... > Yes, "amateurs" of recordings ... We can comfort ourselves by remembering that "amateur" means "one who does something for the love of it." I'm an amateur at this, sure! (Also an amateur cook, amateur brewer, amateur seamstress, amateur bird breeder... hey, I kinda like this. :-) ) And regarding Meryn Cadell (I apologize for not remembering who asked about her!), Dave picked up a copy of her *Angel Food for Thought* over his vacation, and I've been listening to it a lot. I really, really like her voice - there's something about it that sort of wraps warmly around my eardrums. I even like the spoken-word pieces, which normally I'm not too fond of. Does anyone know more about Meryn Cadell the person? Where she's from, how old she is, things like that (the things that have shaped her perception & delivery). -- Emily ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 09:39:10 -0800 Subject: A couple questions... ...for the group that *knows* female singer-songwriters! First, does anyone know what happened to a Dutch singer by the unlikely name of Anna Domino? She put out at least three albums/EP's; the two I have are 1988's _This Time_ and 1989's EP _Colouring in the Edge and the Outline_. Her music could be descibed as one part Suzanne Vega-ish folk to three parts eccentric but catchy pop, with some keyboards and effects thrown in as well (as you might expect, considering that she's been produced by the likes of Flood, of Depeche Mode/Erasure fame). I read an interview with her a few years back saying that she (and her record company) were getting kinda upset about her lack of commercial success, and that she was thinking of throwing in the towel. But she definitely improved as an artist over the course of the albums I'm familiar with, and I'd love to know what happened to her. And second, does anyone have any strong opinions (other than those already posted) about the new Kirsty MacColl album _Titanic Days_? I bought _Electric Landlady_ (probably because of her association with Billy Bragg, always a good thing in my book) and was immensely disappoiinted. The general consensus, though, seems to be that _EL_ isn't as good as _TD_ and her first album _Kite_, neither of which I've heard. So, should I give Kirsty another chance? And if so, which of those two albums do you prefer? Ethan tedious and uninformed, but not fucking at the moment :) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 10:42:13 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: A few things... Philip queries about ... Kirsty MacColl's Kite - Why, I was just listening to this while detouring around LA on my return trip from Yosemite last weekend. It's a great album. Kirsty has kind of a light, airy, lilting voice. Sorta folky, but not exactly. The album is chock full of catchy melodies and clever lyrics. She covers a number of songs and makes them all hers (The Smiths' You JUst Haven't Earned It Yet Baby, The Kinks' Days, and a song in French written by one of the Mcgarrigles, which I can't understand). Johnny Marr of the Smith's plays guitar all over the album too. I think it's wonderful and highly recommend it. It did take a few listens to grow on me though, as I thought Kirsty's voice was a little too lightweight, but it quickly became a favorite. (OK Neile, I like that snippet, so feel free to steal it for the ECTO's guide.) In fact, maybe I'll give Electric Landlady a go too. That was Kirsty's follow-up to Kite, and I found it a bit disappointing. If you really like Kite, get it anyway, since it has a lot of great songs. But Kite had simple, straightforward arrangements, where the vocals, lyrics, melodies and all the songs parts blended perfectly. Electric Landlady is full of clutter. (Oddly, they are both produced by Steve Lillywhite, Kirsty's husband.) Kirsty experiments with different styles of music and a wide array of backing musicians, from the Pogues to more Spanish sounding horns to some rap. I really like half the songs unequivically (sp?), and those tend to be the ones that seem cleaner (but not always). Seems like you can count on Kirsty to provide clever lyrics and a sharp cynical viewpoint throughout (although bittersweet springs to mind too), I just don't like the sound of many of the songs as well. Meryn Cadell's Angel Food for Thought was another recent purchase, and a definite find. This is another one I recommend highly. There are lots of songs (on the order of 18) but it only clocks in at slightly more than a half hour. But what a half hour. I was repeatedly thrown into convulsions of laughter. She's got a great speaking voice and tells clever, biting stories over interesting musical backgrounds, and sings a few songs as well. The music was more electric, sometimes noisy and percussive, but always complimented the stories well. The Sweater, about a girl's acquiring the sweater of a high school boy (with a slightly goat-like smell) was played around on "alternative" radio. Sounds like you should grab your wallet and head back to the store Philip! Neal ======================================================================== Date: 21 Jan 94 13:34:40 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Always Read the Liner Notes Once again I am blown away(***) by something that's been sitting in front of my stupid face for years. Peter Himmelman, great songwriter and performer from Minneapolis, has a tremendous CD called From Strength to Strength. I've seen him play at least 4 or 5 times. He is always inspired and inspiring and plays around alot and has a great stage presence and easiness in his perfomance-style. Lots of fun. Anyways, on FStS there is a song called Running Away. I am just now listening to it at work. I had been looking at the liner notes and I notice in teeny tiny print on the bottom of the page: "Karen Peris and Don Peris appear coutesy of A&M Records". Karen Peris... Innocence Mission. Hmmm. No way. I've heard this song hundreds of times and *for* *sure* I would have figured out it was her if it was. So I listen to the song. Sure enough, it is now *unmistakable!" She sings essentially a duet with Himmelman on this track. If you're an IM fan you need to hear this song. (Well, it works for me anyways.) Speaking of which, after 2 brilliant albums and a tour that I missed but heard wasn't quite as wonderful, what's the deal with IM? Anybody know? Are thing coming out with #3 soon? They *are* due. -feelingsuddenempathyfortonyahardingmjm (***) This is a bit of a double-entendre because I had a similar revelatory experience with Blow Away the first time I saw the lyrics after having heard the song a zillion times without knowing what she was saying. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:22:32 +0700 From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Victoria and Loreena Greetings, A quick double-dip into the rich font of Ecto information ... Victoria Williams -- Has _Swing the Statue_ been re-released? I got that impression from here, but digging through the local record stores found three copies of _Happy Come Home_, but none of _Swing the Statue_. The big book of in-print albums includes _Happy Come Home_, but not _Swing the Statue_. If it hasn't been re-released, is their a date for release? Loreena McKennitt -- She was supposed to release an album last fall. Has it been seen anywhere? If not, does anyone know when it will be released? Thanks! Doug Burks _O_ @>->--- dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 11:27:01 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Re: A couple questions... I have Titanic Days and I really like it. There are a couple of songs that don't entirely grab me, but overall I think its her best album. I borrowed Neal Copperman's copy of Kite and listened to it, and although it has very good songs as well, I didn't like it as well as Titanic Days. But maybe that's just because I haven't listened to it as much. Titanic Days is worth the price alone just for the song "Bad"--which funny enough is very "good". Together with the song "Can't Stop Killing You", you might begin to think that Kirsty is a little mad. Maybe she is, but she does write great songs--like Neal says--very clever and cynical. Recently, the local alternative station has been playing the song "Angel" off _Titanic Days_, though I'm not sure why. I don't think it is a single, and I feel that it is one of the most boring songs on the album-- especially its lyrics. But who can figure out why radio stations play the things they do. I never knew that Meryn Cadell is the one who sings "The Sweater". I keep seeing her album _Bombazine_ in used stores and have considered buying it but never have. Maybe I'll have to pick it up one of these days. Jeff ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: Global blah blah .... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:36:13 -0800 (PST) Tim Cook says: > Mother Shiptons cave (luxury 1 bed - no utilities!) is just a few miles > down the road from me. There's a petrifying stream outside the cave > where people hang various items and over a period of time they turn to stone. > Being a local, of course I've never been there. I leave that to the grockles > (tourists!). Ooh, yeah! Grockles! I *love* that word! I first came across it when visiting my aunt, who lives in Bath. One of my cousins had heard someone using it on a trip somewhere - the West Country, perhaps, and rather liked it. It always sort of reminds me of some strange foreign creature, a grockle. :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 21 Jan 94 14:46:41 EST From: justin@campion.crim.ca (Justin Bur) Subject: Re: A couple questions... (Anna Domino) Anna Domino's not Dutch, she's Canadian! (Or at least we have been led to believe so by Brent Bambury, host of the late-night CBC Stereo alternative music program Brave New Waves.) Her unlikely name is assumed, her real name being Ann Taylor (I think). Her record label, Les Disques du Crepuscule, is Belgian (not Dutch either); same label as Wim Mertens, among other interesting artists. Her first album, eponymous, appeared in 1986, and was picked up in Germany and Canada by Polydor. I consider her second, This Time (1988), a bit of a disappointment, apart from the very beautiful song Lake. This album was also released in Germany and Canada by Polydor. The third, short album Colouring in the Edge and the Outline (1989) was marvellous (in my opinion) but somewhat hard to find; I think Polydor did release it but probably in small quantities. In 1992 came her best yet, Mysteries of America, but it is available only on Crepuscule, therefore mainly in Benelux. I've seen it as a special import in Montreal, but not very often. Either my tastes are strange, or this is a bad case of record companies withdrawing support at a very wrong moment - Mysteries of America is brilliant. Since then, no sign of her. Another singer worth mentioning now - who really is Dutch - is Mathilde Santing. Her latest album, Texas Girl and Pretty Boy (an album of Randy Newman covers), was released in Benelux by Sony Music during the first half of 1993. Her previous four albums came out on various independent Dutch labels; her first (not recommended) on WEA. She has a penchant for old American songs, including some by Todd Rundgren and Tom Waits. Her voice is very strong and expressive, especially in later albums. She is backed up by her own band. I actually like Water Under the Bridge (her second) best; most of the songs on it were written for her. But her singing is better with each subsequent album, and her latest is as good an introduction as any. justin ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: A couple questions... Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 11:47:39 -0800 (PST) Ethan asks: > First, does anyone know what happened to a Dutch singer by the unlikely name > of Anna Domino? She put out at least three albums/EP's; the two I have are > 1988's _This Time_ and 1989's EP _Colouring in the Edge and the Outline_. Okay, trivia (amateur tedium?) warnings ahead: Anna Domino isn't Dutch, actually. I've no idea what she is. She was born in Tokyo to non-Japanese parents, and then moved to Ottawa, Canada, where she grew up. Her mother was an art curator or something. She grew bored of Ottawa and moved to New York following a trip in high school. That's where she changed her name - her real name is Anne Taylor or something like that. She got the Domino from the American sugar company. Anyway, from there she somehow met up with someone from the Belgian record label Les disques du cre'puscule and moved to Belgium. She recorded a number of albums for them, and had an early minor success with a cover of "Sixteen Tons," but her music never really caught on in a commercial sense, I don't think. > Her music could be descibed as one part Suzanne Vega-ish folk to three parts > eccentric but catchy pop, with some keyboards and effects thrown in as well She's one of those people who does deceptively light-sounding pop music with rather dark and often almost nasty lyrics - kind of like Virginia Astley, actually, in the darkness sense anyway. (anybody know what *she's* up to, by the way? I bought a copy of _Hope in a Darkened Heart_, the album that Ryuichi Sakamoto produced, in London several years ago, but haven't heard much of Astley since.) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Happy is coming soon! Date: Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:10:06 -0800 (PST) Vickie writes: > "narbo"? what's that? A narbo? Just a silly little insult. A prat. A cretin. Generally speaking, a worthless and contemptible person. For example, someone who posts hundreds of copies of an annoying message to hundreds of different newsgroups. :) > This has been brought up before (recently too, but I can't remember > who said it, sorry) and the thing is, Ecto *is* gatewayed to newsgroups > in many different places. Rutgers, for one. Brown Univ., Alaska, Norway, > Australia...lots of places. [...] Oh. Darn. It's strange... a mailing list for me has the feeling of a small private get-together. Anyone's welcome to wander in, but it still operates within the social context of a personal space. However Usenet groups sort of have the social context, for me anyway, of a raucous public space like a cafe or something. So to find out that ecto is actually gatewayed sort of makes me think that there's this one-way glass window in the wall of the room in which we're meeting and I didn't know about it. I kind of wish it wasn't gatewayed. Anyone else feel this or am I just uptight and being me? > and I took the bait and flamed him. I should never have said > "good riddance" because that's making me just as rude as I believe > he was with this post. Well, you didn't put as rude a reply as I did. Heh. :) And he certainly outdid any possible rudeness on your part with his next message, didn't he? Strange. I wonder what his motivations were. I mean, is he just totally socially inept and unaware of his own behaviour or did he get a curious adolescent pleasure out of going up to a group of friendly people and saying pointlessly nasty things? A mystery, 'tis true! :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)