Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #976 ecto, Number 976 Thursday, 20 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Movies Re: Question for Jane fans Re: Movies Come on in--it's COOL outside :-) GN/BN cold, jane, concert tapes ======================================================================== From: dixon@physics1 (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Date: 18 Jan 1994 03:18:56 GMT You know, I really shouldn't reply to this, but I just can't help myself... Since this *is* a trivia newsgroup, I thought I'd share the following with you. It's taken (w/o permission) from James Randi's book, _The Mask of Nostradamus_, which I urge you all to read. SOME END-OF-THE-WORLD PROPHECIES THAT FAILED "Divine prophecies being of the nature of their Author, with whom a thousand years are but as one day, are not therefore fulfilled punctually at once, but have springing and germinant accomplishment, though the heightfulness of them may refer to some one age." - Sir Francis Bacon, 1561-1626 A favorite subject of prophets has always been the end of Mankind and/or the demise of our planet and/or the collapse of the entire universe. Part of the technique, for some, is to place the date far enough ahead that when The End fails to arrive, the oracle is no longer around to have to explain why. Others, often to encourage the surrender of property and other worldly chattels by the Believers, prepare excuses well in advance and manage to survive the great disappointment that often follows a failed prediction. Here is a short list of some rather interesting end-of-the-world prognostications, beginning with biblical references and ending with some contemporary seers and their doomsayings. Judging from the record earned by the soothsayers in this matter, we may safely assume that our planet will continue very much the same as it is for some considerable period into the future. I, for one, am not worried. [Neither am I. - DD] * * * * * * * * B.C.-A.D. According to the New Testament, The End should have occurred before the death of the last Apostle. In Matthew 16:28, it says, "Verily, I say unto you, there be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." One by one, all the apostles died. And the world rolled on for everyone else... A.D. 992 In the year 960, scholar Bernard of Thuringia caused great alarm in Europe when he confidently announced that his calculations gave the world only thirty-two more years before The End. His own end, fortunately for him, occurred before that event was to have taken place. A.D. December 31, 999 The biblical Apocrypha says that the Last Judgment (and therefore, one supposes, the end of the world) would occur one thousand years after the birth of Jesus Christ. When the day arrived, though it is doubtful that there was all the panic that was reported by later accounts, a certain degree of apprehension was probably experienced. It was said that land was left uncultivated in that final year, since there would obviously be no need for crops. According to the Encyclopedia of Superstitions, public documents of that era began, "As the world is now drawing to a close..." Modern authorities suspect that historians Voltaire and Gibbon created or at least embellished this tale to prove the credulous nature of medieval Christians. February 1, 1524 This was one of the most pervasive Doomsday-by-Flood expectations ever recorded. In June of 1523, astrologers in London predicted that The End would begin in London with a deluge. Some 20,000 persons left their homes, and the Prior of St. Bartholomew's built a fortress in which he stocked enough food and water for a two-month wait. When the dreaded date failed to provide even a rain shower, the astrologers recalculated and discovered they'd been a mere one hundred years off. 1532 A bishop of Vienna, Frederick Nausea, decided a major distaster was "near" when various strange events were reported to him. He was told that bloody crosses had been seen in the skies along with a comet, that black bread had fallen from mid-air, and that three suns and a flaming castle had been discerned in the heavens. The story of an eight-year-old girl of Rome whose breasts, he was told, spouted warm water, finally convinced this scholar that the world was due to end. October 3, 1533, 8 AM Mathematician and Bible student Stifelius had calculated an exact date and time for Doomsday from scholarly perusal of the Book of Revelation. When they did not vaporize, the curiously ungrateful citizens of the German town of Lochau, where he announced the dreaded day, rewarded him with a thorough flogging. 1537 (and also in 1544, 1801 and 1814) In Dijon, France, a list of prophecies by astrologer Pierre Turrel were published posthumously by His predictions of The End were spread over a period of 277 years, but all were fortunately wrong. He had used four different methods of computation to arrive at the four dates, while assuring his readers that he had strictly orthodox religious beliefs-- a very wise move in his day. 1648 Rabbi Sabbati Zevi, in Smyrna, interpreted the cabala to show that he was the promised Messiah and that his advent, accompanied by spectactular miracles, was due in 1648. By 1665, regardless of the failure of the wonders to appear, Zevi had a huge following. 1654 Consulting his ephemeris and considering the nova of 1572, physician Helisaeus of Alsace decided in 1578 that the world would surely terminate in flames in another 76 years. He did not survive to see his prophecy fail. 1665 With the Black Plague in full force, Quaker Solomon Eccles terrorized the citizens of London yet further with his declaration that the resident pestilence was merely the beginning of The End. He was arrested and jailed when the plague began to abate rather than increasing. May 19, 1719 Jacques Bernoulli, the first of a famous line of Swiss mathematicians who made their home in Berne, predicted the return of the comet of 1680 and earth-rending results therefrom. The comet did not come back, perhaps for astronomical reasons, but Bernoulli went on to discover a mathematical series now called the Bernoulli Numbers. 1757 Mystic/theologian/spiritist and supreme egocentric Emmanuel Swedenborg, ever willing to be a center of attention for one reason or another, decided after one of his frequent consultations with angels that 1757 was the terminating date of the world. To his chagrin, he was not taken too seriously by anyone. April 5, 1761 When religious fanatic and soldier William Bell noticed that exactly twenty-eight days had elapsed between a February 8 and a March 8 earthquake in 1761, he naturally concluded that the entire world would crumble in another twenty-eight days. Many credulous Londoners believed him and snapped up every available boat, taking to the Thames or scurrying out of town as if those actions would save them. April 3, 1843 (Also July 7, 1843, March 21 and October 22, 1844) William Miller, founder of the Millerite church, spent fifteen years in careful study of the scriptures and determined that the world would end sometime in 1843. He announced this discovery of what he called "the midnight cry" in 1831. When there was a spectacular meteor shower in 1833, it seemed to his followers that his prediction was close to being fulfilled, and they celebrated their imminent demise. Then, as each date he named failed to produce Armageddon, Miller moved it up a bit. The faithful continued to gather by the thousands on hilltops all over America each time one of the new dates would dawn. Finally, on October 22, 1844, the last day that Miller had calculated for The End, the Millerites relaxed their vigils. The movement eventually changed its name and broke up into a number of modern-day churches, among them the Seventh-Day Adventist Church [which itself spawned the Branch Davidians. - DD] 1881 Mother Shipton is supposed to have written: The world to an end will come In eighteen hundred and eighty-one. The prediction, as well as the rhyme, are faulted. A book titled _The Life and Death of Mother Shipton_, written in 1684 by Richard Head, was reprinted in a garbled and freely "improved" version in 1862 by Charles Hindley. In 1873 Hindley admitted having forged that rhyme and many others, but his confession caused no lessening of the great alarm in rural England in 1881. * * * * * * * * [I didn't type in all of the predictions, and edited a few of them. Get the book if you want the whole list. All typos are mine.] Expect a general Millennarian panic in a few years, folks. I'd go ahead and cultivate your fields anyway. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 14:56:40 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: Movies I saw a couple of movies over the weekend and I thought I would take a moment to share my opinion. Philadelphia - I am very sad to say that, although Hollywood seems to be placing all its future faith in "gay films" in this one major-studio release, it is not the film I wanted to see. There isn't much of a story. There is mostly a "message". I do agree with the message (that we should all learn to accept each other in spite of our differences), but I prefer to learn my lesson through an interesting story, with three-dimensional characters. I found most of the film trite, poorly paced, and edited in a confusing manner. The only way I could keep up with the passage of time was by keeping track of one character's pregnancy. I was not moved to tears ever, although I generally cry at the drop of a kleenex, because I felt manipulated. I had to check the credits to be sure Jonathan Demme was taking the blame, and not Stephen Spielberg (whose films tend to seem too calculated for my tastes). Yes, Tom Hanks was good (as was everyone), but I disliked the script and direction. In The Name Of The Father - Now, *this* is what a movie should be. Interesting story, characters you can care about, a pace that doesn't drag, justice, inhumanity, and a fantastic soundtrack! I loved it! Daniel Day Lewis is brilliant, and the direction by Jim Sheridan is very tight indeed. The screenplay by Terry George (based on Gerry Conlon's true story) is exceedingly well crafted. Personally, I didn't know very much about all the nastiness happening in Northern Ireland (I don't read many detailed histories on world events), but this film brought it home to me in all its horror. No, I'm not choosing sides (I realize there's religion involved here), but the injustice suffered by the Guilford 4 is enough to make anyone go bonkers. Can you imagine 15 years in prison for a crime you didn't commit? I won't say more, so as not to give anything away, but I was not completely buoyed by the ending (as were some). The songs by Bono and Sinead O'Connor were terrific (the album comes out January 25). I highly recommend this one. Well, that's it. I just felt I wanted to share. Anybody else see these movies? Agree? Disagree? -Sam ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Global Alert For All: Jesus is Coming Soon Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 15:16:43 -0500 From: Dan Riley > Clarence L. Thomas, IV writes: > > The earthquake in Los Angeles, California, the flood in > > Europe, the seemingly unstoppable war in the former > > Yugoslavia, the devastating fires in Australia, the flood in > > the Midwest of the United States of America, the devastating > > fires near Los Angeles, California, the rapid and appalling > > increase in violence in cities, towns, villages all over the > > world, the famines, the diseases, [...] > > Fixed in VM 5.47. Ok, I shouldn't do this--but here are my favorites so far. Some of them are a bit technical (though I've left out the ones that are completely in-jokes): comp.dsp, ertem@netcom.com (Mehmet C.Ertem): > Well this throws a wrench in the works. First of all there go all > our assumptions about periodic signals. comp.sys.amiga.programmer, walker@twix.unx.sas.com: > Sounds like we need an "Adopt an Information Highway" program [to clean up garbage messages] and comp.infosystems.gopher, Kuypers@sri.ucl.ac.be (J.P. Kuypers): > I try to connect the "Exodus 20:1-17" server, but it seems that it's not a > valid FQDN, nor URL... Cant you give his IP address. Thanks. -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Question for Jane fans Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 15:27:34 -0500 From: Dan Riley WretchAwry writes: >Did anyone, *anyone* see "The Walking" tour? *sigh*. sadly, no. I saw the No Borders Here, Speckless Sky, and Bound by the Beauty tours, but missed the Walking. >The reason I ask is that I've gotten a tape (audience recording boot) >of the show. This was recorded April 27, 1988 at Chapel Chatham College >in Pittsburg, PA. lust. >I know that Jane fans would just die for this (I did) Uhoh...is Vickie now one of the undead? >Anyway, I hope something can be worked out, either Doug telling me it's >ok with him, or someone else offering to be a dub center. Send it to Woj. He's close enough that I can bop by and force a copy out of him. Unfortunately, I'm not currently setup for dubbing--only one decent tape deck, and not enough hard disk space for an entire tape side. I'm also not setup for video dubbing, but would love to be a consumer if a jane videotape tree gets going. re: Waitress, and _No Borders Here_, I've been in love with that album since I first heard "Mimi on the Beach" on the radio (WICB) shortly after it came out, and I still love every song on it... -dan ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Movies Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 15:29:57 -0500 From: lcliffor@bbn.com Mostly agree - tonight my husband and I are taping our '10 best' edition of Reeling (our cable movie review program) and I just had to tie 'In the Name of the Father' for 1st place with 'Schindler's List'. 'Father' has one dynamic opening - Bono's song is used really well here and I'm not a fan - and the movie doesn't lose it's pace after that. And I think Daniel Day Lewis was perfect if only Anthony Hopkins wasn't perfect twice :-) Philadelphia isn't on my list, but Hanks was good, as were most of the supporting characters. I didn't fault Demme's direction as much as the script. In fact, visually I thought the style of Philadelphia was very close to Silence of the Lambs (lots of extreme close-up, talking to the camera, use of space between characters, etc.). Laura ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 1994 15:35:35 CST From: Subject: Come on in--it's COOL outside :-) When I was a kid, I would occasionally see stores, restaurants, etc. tout their air conditioning with decals on their doors sporting phrases like "Come on in-- it's COOL inside," amid images of penguins, ice cubes, etc. Somehow, this recovered memory has surfaced in connection with the recent megafreeze in this part of the country, along with the entirely novel thought that Buffalonians may have invented spicy chicken wings as a means of stimulating body heat durin g the more frequent occurrences of such weather there. Monday and Tuesday, the weather combined with a cold, some of which I still have, to keep me home, and thus away from the net. All that did have the latent function of facilitating my finally preparing the tapes I promised to Angelos, Meredith and Brian; these should be in the mail today or tomorrow, depending on which day I make it to the post office; I had thought I'd combine a trip to the North Lake View public library branch (where I have a bunch of stuff overdue) with a trip to the nearb y Lake View post office (where the crowding factor is likely to be less than it is downtown), but I still haven't recovered the full complement of energy neede d to bring off that level of activity in subzero cold. It's supposed to be marginally warmer tomorrow. In the meantime, I'm still reduced to keeping a stash or Ricolas at the ready while I try to steer clear of overly heavy-duty intellectual activity. Granted, I may never hear the end of it for having just implied that reading ecto is not overly heavy-duty intellectual activity, but everyone makes mistakes now and then :-). For all that, I believe I can now authoritatively refute the last line in Russ Meyer's seminal-for-its-genre film _The Immoral Mr. Teas_, "Some men just enjoy being sick." Arguably, the most interesting experience I had while sandbagged was listening to the end of yesterday's Mo Gaffney show, on people who translate their sexual fantasies into action, when Mo commented that the reaction to the topic "could create a small earthquake," or something to that effect. I wonder how long ago they taped it. Tod delurks: >My question for you all is how in the world do you keep up with all the >messages! [...] With experience, one develops the ability to skim. Take it from the author of what must be among the most-skimmed posts on the list :-). WRT gaps in people's _Tales of the City_ tapes: PBS sells some of its shows on home video, for a price :-). Sounds to me like this would be a natural for tha t treatment. Vickie reports a close encounter with the _Blink_ production unit: >I haven't seen "Blink" but they filmed at least one scene somewhere in >this neighborhood. One day while coming home from work, I passed their >catering truck, parked just around the corner. I asked someone at the >truck what was being filmed and was told "Blink" but I never went >looking for the actual filming site. Mitch? You saw the movie and know >the neighborhood. Did anything look familiar? The No Exit (a poet place) >or the Heartland Cafe?? Since the movie hasn't come out yet, I haven't seen it. I'll make a determin- ation after I do see it. Isn't life ironic? WBEZ has started to run selected CBC programs (which it get s from Minnesota Public Radio) _after_ the Toronto concert has come and gone. In an NPR report on today's weather, the correspondent advised against being surprised if one got no mail today. Having gotten none since Friday, I'm unsure whether to be surprised or not. Then again, perhaps nothing about the (non)functioning of the post office should be surprising :-). WRT mjm on Maestro Subgum staying together after all: might they be joining the regular Tues. lineup at Schubas (which also includes the Otters, featuring Kat Eggleston and Stuart Rosenberg)? Anthony explains it all: >Just my twisted mind working overtime again. I have never come across a better exegesis in these pages of the stuff I write in these pages :-). He goes on with some words of reassurance: >Chris, this is Ecto! You don't need to put warnings at the start of posts. >There's no such thing as off-topic here! :-) Off-center, off-kilter, and even just plain offal (_e.g._, when somebody posts that the stuff in these pages is too tedious to continue subscribing to), but indeed, never off-topic :-). The weather segment on _World News Now_ last night indicated that it's above freezing, or at least above zero, in Colorado. Guess nothing is impossible :-) NPR has just reported the arraignment of Tonya Harding's ex. Steve F. leads off his post "Re: Sarah, Jane" : >The subject always makes me think of Elizabeth Sladen :-) but anyway... Reading that line made me think of Louise Jameson. Does that mean I've been reading _Amazons International_ to excess? :-) Speaking of which: What's the word across the pond WRT whether the BBC will ever conclusively cancel or uncancel _Doctor Who_? I used to think that cancellation would be an acceptable price to pay if it brought the Tory government down, but since that obviously hasn't happened... :-) > The earthquake in Los Angeles, California, the flood in > Europe, the seemingly unstoppable war in the former > Yugoslavia, the devastating fires in Australia, the flood in > the Midwest of the United States of America, the devastating > fires near Los Angeles, California, the rapid and appalling > increase in violence in cities, towns, villages all over the > world, the famines, the diseases, [...] Anyone know if Roseanne Scamardella is still anchoring in New York? That's reminiscent of her typical delivery. It slipped my mind earlier: Both concerts and recordings by Christine Lavin and colleagues (dba Four Bitchin' Babes) are well worth it. Many people on folk_music have commented that Lavin (who's a subscriber and occasional poster) is especially supportive of new artists; in that spirit, I sent her a Happy FAQ a couple of months ago, but have yet to hear anything back. Hope springs etern al :-). Don Howe delurks: >So I am going to sign off for now, but maybe in the future I can be >coerced to tell stories of when Happy, Kevin, Me, The Swim Team's Rhythm >Section, Mike Bassett, and my Harmonica Player Henry all moved Mitch in a >Ryder truck on a really snowy day to Albany. Could Aural Gratification's stable of artists be made more palatable to Classic Rock stations by plugging them under the alias of Mitch's Ryder Albany Wheels? :-) The ELIZA interactive Rogerian therapy program used to end with "Come again soo n." The same goes for Bob Gupta. Doug writes on the theological aspects of Christmas: >[...] A close reading of the Christmas story as set down in the >Bible makes it clear that his birthday has to be in the spring. The But perhaps the need to obfuscate the observance all those millenia ago has not been without its latent functions for the modern secular hoiliday. It would seem weird, would it not, to get garden tools for Christmas instead of winter clothing :-). Vickie interjects more credit than may be due: >([...] and Mitch, the voice of >the H*Ps) [...] Not exclusively. Old-timers may recall that she herself was the voice of the 1991 Happy Roman Saturnalia Project :-)--the first, and in many ways still the best, in the series. Hope springs eternal that the editions that were started between the time that Vickie's initial effort set the standard, and the time that Doug and I picked up the ball, will eventually make it into the catalog. Dave's compendium of millenialist prophecies that fizzled reminds me of the old _New Yorker_ cartoon of the sandwich board carrier whose front says "prepare to meet thy doom," and whose reverse hedges, "in [large, polydigit number] years." Who would have thunk it: I have now responded to all the incoming I feel moved to respond to, and can now go home to see if anyone has mounted as creative a response to the weather today as a bunch of University of Chicago students did yesterday, when they protested the university's failure to cancel classes by running through the campus in their underwear; and secondarily, to try to resume the process of recovery. Mitch ------------------------------------------- "Nothing cures like time and love." --Laura Nyro "In Minneapolis we had a white Easter." --Rhoda Morgenstern ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 19:28:32 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: GN/BN Good News (for some) Bad News (for others) First the Good: I just got back from the post office, where I mailed off a package to Doug. Said package contains 2 tapes of mostly Jane Siberry stuff. The contents will follow. (Can you *believe* it? I actually did something I said I was going to do! Amazing!) Now the Bad: I didn't get anyone else's tapes mailed :-(, because they're not finished. I owe so many people tapes that I daren't mention names for fear of leaving someone out. I'm really, really sorry. I just happened to have those two done completely, just happened to have to go downtown to run an errand for Chris, and I grabbed them and took them with me. Back to the good :-)...here's a complete contents list, plus some info: TAPE 1 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Side A: (From A CHORAL CHRISTMAS w/ Jane, Holly, Victoria, Mary Margaret, Rebecca) ------------------------------------------- 1. It Came Upon A Midnight Clear 2. Un Flambeau, Jeanette. Isabella 3. In The Bleak Mid-Winter 4. Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas 5. Wildwood Carol 6. I'll Be Home For Christmas 7. Deck The Halls 8. A Holy Thing 9. Are You Burning Little Candle? 10. Count Your Blessings 11. Please Come Home For Christmas 12. What Is This Fragrance Softly Stealing Side B: (A CHORAL CHRISTMAS con't) ------------------------------------------- 1. Here We Come A-Wassailing 2. Silent Night 3. We Wish You A Merry Christmas ------------------------------------------- (Mary Margaret O'Hara - Christmas EP) 4. Blue Christmas 5. Silent Night 6. What Are You Doing New Year's Eve? 7. Christmas Evermore ------------------------------------------- (Jane Siberry - from David Ramsden's album "Quiet, Please, There's A Lady On Stage") 8. A Little White Ship 9. The Love I Have For You ------------------------------------------- (Jane Siberry - from bootleg concert - 1984) 10. Extra Executives -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A CHORAL CHRISTMAS was ...recorded at the Glenn Gould Theater, December 3, 1993 ...broadcast on CBC radio December 25 & December 26, 1993 Featured: Jane Siberry Holly Cole Victoria Williams Mary Margaret O'Hara Rebecca Jenkins and Tim Ray on piano ------------------------------------------- No information on Mary Margaret O'Hara EP. It's out-of-print now ------------------------------------------- David Ramsden "Quiet, Please, There's A Lady On Stage" More info at end of post. ------------------------------------------- Jane Siberry "Extra Executives" recorded live at Barrymores, Ottawa, Ontario Oct. 8, 1984 ------------------------------------------- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- TAPE 2 Side 1 Jane Siberry - live, April 27, 1988 at Chapel Chatham College, Pittsburg, PA ------------------------------------------- 1. Medley1 2. Ingrid And the Footman 3. Seven Steps To the Wall 4. One More Colour 5. Medley2 6. Lena Is A White Table 7. The Walking (and constantly) 8. Mimi On the Beach Side 2 ------------------------------------------- (Live concert con't) 1. Extra Executives 2. Red High Heels 3. The White Tent The Raft 4. The Bird In the Gravel ------------------------------------------- 5. Jane on National Public Radio - 1988 short interview ------------------------------------------- (Jane, from the Canadian CD _The Walking_ 6. Ingrid & the Footman (longer than version released in USA) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- DAVID RAMSDEN "Quiet Please! There's A Lady On Stage" Song Songwriter(s) Artist Singing on Track SIDE ONE: 1) Table For Two David Ramsden (David Ramsden) 2) Runnin' Wild Maggie Moore (J. Grey/L. Wood/A.Harrington-Gibbs) 3) Crazy Kind Of Love Maggie Moore (Maggie Moore) 4) My Buddy Theresa Tova (Gus Kahn/Walter Donaldson) 5) A Little White Ship Jane Siberry (Leiber/Stoller) 6) The Love I Have For You Jane Siberry (Alberta Hunter) 7) Rainbow Sleeves David Ramdsen (Tom Waits) SIDE TWO: 1) Come Inside Rebecca Jenkins/David Ramsden (David Ramsden) 2) Calling You Rebecca Jenkins (Bob Telson) 3) The Tin Flute Gabrielle Roddy (Francois Dompierre) 4) Save Your Love For Me Pamela Betts (Buddy Johnson) 5) New Year's Eve David Ramsden (David Ramsden) Produced by John Switzer. Recorded live at the CAMERON HOUSE, Toronto on March 4, 1990 All songs feature vocalist w/ David Ramsden on piano. No other instrumentation. For information, write: David Ramsden, 71 Duncan Street, Toronto, Canada M5V 2C5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have to admit that I felt *very* bad about putting Jane's 2 songs on Doug's tape. I would urge & beg all who support Jane and her friends to write to David Ramsden wrt getting this tape. Charley bought our copies at HMV (I think) in Toronto in the "locals" section. (There's a story here...we had met David the night before, backstage after the Christmas concert. The next day we went searching for Holly Cole's Christmas EP, MMO's Christmas EP and this album, which David had told us about. Charley dropped Chris and I off at the CD Bar, which is when we met Greg Clow. Charley was going to be driving around the block until we were done, which is one reason why we couldn't stay very long. Chris and I waited out front for a while...and no Charley. Chris said he was going to walk up and around the block, just in case Charley had found a parking place and was waiting for us, so he left. I waited and waited and waited...and no Charley *or* Chris. I was beginning to think they had been abducted by aliens, when the car came into sight. I got in, strapped up and listened to a wonderful tale. Seems that Charley had indeed found a parking place and decided to run into HMV (now, I can't remember...perhaps it was Virgin...it was on Yonge(sp?) street) to check for the things he had been looking for. He found the Holly EP, but no MMO, and no David Ramsden. He was standing near the checkout counter, looking over some CDs, when he heard a voice asking if they had any Victoria Williams. His ears perked up and he looked to see who had asked. It was none other than David Ramsden! He had been so impressed by Victoria the night before that he wanted to get anything he could find by her. Charley walked over to him and said hi. David was as suprised to see Charley as Charley was to see David! Charley told David that he had looked for David's album, but couldn't find it, and David said "hey great! I'll show you where it is!" and led Charley over to the local section. Charley had been looking for a CD, but unfortunately the album only comes via cassette. Charley bought two copies, one for himself and one for Chris and I, and asked David if he would sign them. No problem! Somehow they ended up outside, sitting in the car chatting away, and that's when Chris found them. So the 3 of them chatted away (oh poor me is standing outside in the rain, waiting...:-)). David signed my "To Vickie, Great meeting you - hope to see you again, love David" and drew a little peace sign. He signed Charley's too, but the message is extremely unprintable :-) (though it sent Holly Cole into convulsions of laughter when Charley showed it to her later that evening after we saw her solo in concert). David finally said he had to get going, that he was headed over to Jane Siberry's house to do something, or pick up something, or whatever. Charley said he resisted the urge to ask David if he wanted a ride over there (apparantly the guy was in public transportation mode) but he really, really, *really* wannted to ask. If David had said yes, then we would have seen the house Jane lives in, which is cool, but also smacks somewhat of fannishdom. (Right...we drove from Chicago to Toronto just to see the concert the night before. Us? Fannish? Noooooooo! :-)). So anyway, David went his merry way, and Charley and Chris remembered me :-) and they came to get me. Of course I wish I had been part of the conversation. It seems that David is crazy about female vocalists, in exactly the same way that we all are. He's a *HUGE* Kate Bush fan, and has written her fan letters. This is a man who has worked many times with *Jesus*, and many other interesting Toronto-based female artists...can you say "dream job"? Yes, indeed! David Ramsden is very talented, *lots* of fun, a really nice guy, and adores female vocals...what more could you ask for? (Michael Colford, if you have Jane's WIWAB video collection, David is the roly-poly Greek god-type in "An Angel Stepped Down...") So anyway, this whole tape is wonderful, all these singers on the album are very good and worth knowing about, so I highly recommend it. (And I still feel guilty about including Jane's songs on the tape, but that doesn't mean that some of you shouldn't think about getting the album). Unfortunately, I have no idea how much it costs. And again, it's only available on cassette. But...all these women... (including wonderful songs sung by Rebecca Jenkins)...produced by John Switzer...wow! Okee, that's it. I should send this now, so y'all can be ready for the tdsFAQ when it comes, so yinz can get in line to get your very own copies of these tapes that should reach Doug by the weekend. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 20 Jan 1994 14:22:06 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: RE: Come on in--it's COOL outside :-) Mitch mitches: > It > would seem weird, would it not, to get garden tools for Christmas instead of > winter clothing :-). winter clothing?? :) Philip (who is too tired to think what else he wanted to say...) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 19 Jan 94 20:22:11 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (world serve your own needs) Subject: cold, jane, concert tapes well, the pipes are unfrozen, which is a good thing. a well-placed space heater can work wonders (if one figures out where the wall outlets are, for which i can thank footah) i still haven't showered though, which is not. i plan on remedying that situation soon. WretchAwry sez: >Yeah? Where's yours from? Is it complete? It might be better than mine. uh, yeah, it's complete as far as i can remember. it's on a 100 minute tape if that's any indication. i know that the sound quality is pretty good for sure though. i'll give it a listen tonight and figure out how much or how little is there. it's from the bottom line in nyc, incidentially. i also have two shows from the bound by the beauty tour - one from st. andrew's in detroit and the other from the iron horse in northampton. hmmm. i probably shouldn't mention that. ;) on second thought, maybe i should. i have a *lot* of live recordings by ectoid and non-ectoid artists and i suspect that a lot of ectophiles would love to hear. while i can't support a full-fledged tape dubbing project as doug does and i wouldn't want to dump it on him, i might be able to make some arrangements. so, would ectophiles like to have a catalog of live recordings that they could request tapes from? i know that that is a silly question, but i'd like to have an idea how large of an interest there would be in such a service. +woj ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)