Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #970 ecto, Number 970 Sunday, 16 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Gaffa Re: Jane the Subversive Re: Oven Grinders Re: NYC AREA PHILES TAKE NOTE Re: A bit of Hubble info, and some music stuff... Re: ecto #958 Re: X-tian Re: Still in Jane land Re: Jane the Subversive RE: classics, as well... tori sings china... china sings tori.... Re: tori sings china... china sings tori.... Today's your birthday friend.... Hullos and Bdays and Lyrics A Choral Christmas...sigh... Hey Bday! ADD phyxn873@ksuvxa.kent.edu Top twenty Re: Top twenty ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 1:27:05 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Gaffa Alice1 mushes: > johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon): > > kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) > ... > > >a) Is there anything wrong with gaffa? I haven't seen any new articles > > >since Tuesday. > > > > I haven't seen any real activity in the newsgroup either. > Ditto. The newsgroup is dead here. Is the mailing list down too, or > is it the link from the list to the newsgroup? I just used gopher to > access the usenet news at Michigan State, which is a big site, and it > stops on Tuesday at the same place my local news server does. It > looks like the newsgroup is dead. Is anyone on the mailing list > receiving posts? Glad you sent mail there pointing out the problem. The mailing list is working, so it's just the newsgroup that's having a problem. I get both, because I don't trust one or the other. Plus, I archive the Digests. I get Ecto both ways (loose & digest) because I archive those Digests too. I have today's LH digest still on-line, so if anyone wants to see it, write me. > > yet. This silence is a source of consternation: just before it went > > "off air" I had posted a message, something which I really rarely > > do. That message was the last thing that I saw on Gaffa. JohnH, your message is the first one in LH10.12. Rick Pail's message (which was the last I saw in rec.music.gaffa too, is the 4th (out of 9 messages) and there have been 2 digests since then. There's still activity, but no major news. Alex, thanks for writing the informative posts about the MU*s. They're fascinating and of course, I'm saving them to file. Vickie ps, I just heard this on TV: "I'll never be alone again!" in a ad for The Psychic Network 900 number (I say: Save that money, buy a computer & modem & connect to Internet) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 1:36:37 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Jane the Subversive Stuart wrote: > Thanks Vickie for your wonderful description of what it's like becoming a > Jane Siberry fan. "Subversive" is definitely the right word. The first > Jane I heard was _The Speckless Sky_. While I found it kind of > interesting, it didn't really do much for me. So, I put it aside > and basically relegated Jane to that category of artists that I should > like, given my musical tastes, but just can't appreciate. You're welcome! Thanks to all who are giving their Jane testimonials, it makes me feel better, that Jane didn't click with me right away. > BTW, Vickie, what happened to the rest of the annotated _When I Was a Boy_ > that your friend was putting together? I really enjoyed the first > installment and was waiting for more. Charley hasn't had time to sit down and write any more, but he also hasn't seemed too interested in finishing it either. I don't know why, because he's still crazy about WIWAB. Ah well, I think we got the part that truly mattered :-) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 2:02:58 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Oven Grinders NeAl wrote: > SPeaking of entertainment in Chicago (sort of), last night I saw Blink, > which is filmed in Chicago and prominantly features a band calle The > Drovers, which I was led to believe was a Chicago band. I've never seen The Drovers, but I've heard they're very good, and they have quite a cult following here. I haven't seen the movie "Backdraft" but I've heard they're featured in that one too. I haven't seen "Blink" but they filmed at least one scene somewhere in this neighborhood. One day while coming home from work, I passed their catering truck, parked just around the corner. I asked someone at the truck what was being filmed and was told "Blink" but I never went looking for the actual filming site. Mitch? You saw the movie and know the neighborhood. Did anything look familiar? The No Exit (a poet place) or the Heartland Cafe?? Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 2:08:10 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: NYC AREA PHILES TAKE NOTE Meth writes: > Thursday, February 3 > > JANE SIBERRY > with special guests > SHAWN COLVIN and VICTORIA WILLIAMS > > Nothing about time or price, but I'm going to find that out as soon as I > can. I'm there!!! Anybody else interested? (Tamar???) Yay!! This is great! I'm so glad you're going. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 2:48:18 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: A bit of Hubble info, and some music stuff... JohnS hubbles: > As you all may have heard by now, the Hubble Servicing Mission was an > outstanding success. :) I saw the Before/After photos shown at the press conference and was blown away!! They are so beautiful, amazing...such a difference! > There are some .GIF files of the images popping up on the Net. These are > two sites that I saw in sci.astro: > > jplinfo.jpl.nasa.gov /IMAGES > SEDS.LPL.Arizona.EDU /pub/WFPC2 Thank you! We've been waiting for some to pop up. Congratulations to you and Jenn. I can see that you're both understandably proud of the entire mission. Good job! > Also, I've been trying to get into Jane's WIWAB, but it's just not working. > There are a few parts that I like, but overall it's just not doing much for > me. I'll hang onto it though, because of Vickie's suggestion, and the fact > that I NEVER want to give up anything once I've bought it. :) I'd also suggest that you give at least one other Jane a try. Since WIWAB is most "like" The Walking, go for the CD The Speckless Sky. It will take a few listens too, but it's much less complex than WIWAB. Not that "complex" is your problem with WIWAB (I'd never say that about someone who's working on the Hubble project!) but that the songs are easier to get into. I'd even recommend Bound By the Beauty (which I *LOVE*) though it is *very* different from *any* of her other albums. It helps if you like streaks of country and salsa in music. If the thought gives you the heebie-jeebies, then go for TSS, which I'd say get first anyway. Apeaking of BBTB, anyone who has a dog just *HAS* to get the album, just for the wonderful song "Everything Reminds Me Of My Dog"! There are so many great songs on that album (though, since it's Jane, after all, will take getting used to) and that's one of my favorites. It shows Jane's sense of humor at its finest moment! > What does everyone out there do with new music? Do you pour over the > lyrics the first time you listen? Can you like a song based on it's lyrics? > Obviously, there's no "right way" to listen to music, I was just curious > about other people's styles. When I first get an "important" album (say, new Kate/Jane/Happy/Tori/Peter) I'll read the lyrics, but then put them away and listen to the album over and over again, getting it into my psyche. Once I'm pretty familiar with the music, then I go back and learn the lyrics by heart. Music is always more important to me too, but knowing lyrics have made me go back and re-listen to songs I might have overlooked. It's happened often that I've come to really like a song after learning the lyrics. "He's Alive" is a great example for me too. The lyrics seem so simple, and I never much paid attention to the song. It came between two of my favorite songs too, so I was impatient with it. For me, it's an example of coming to love the song more after knowing what it's about. (For newer Ectophiles...it's the image of a girl sitting in front of a monster she's painted, conjuring the monster to life to "roam the streets, invade the dreams" of people who have hurt her. Pure Happy :-)) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 2:55:50 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: ecto #958 Rod wrote: > Why can't I ever seem to get mail to you for inclusion in this digest? It > is always being returned. I will try one more time. I have been trying to > tell a very true story about how being on the IRC in the #ECTO channel > with Fili and Dreaming and they very literally saved my life. But before > I go into detail I want to make sure that this is getting out. Yep! This made it to the loose mail. You're being seen, so please write up the wonderful story. I've already heard it in IRC, but it's so cool that *everyone* needs to hear it. We have real-life heros on Ecto! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 00:04:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Lamb Subject: Re: X-tian On Fri, 14 Jan 1994, Doug Burks wrote: > did not see in the mass media even one mention of the real reason for > celebrating Christmas. *sigh* The reason for this Atheist is because it is a national holiday. The reason is different for each person. I don't think it is longer just a Christian event. Steve C. Lamb Sysop, Abcb Cafe (916) 363-1424 24/7/356 2400-14.4K v32bis PGP key CRC: 384/6CFEE3 - Insert funny line from KOR here. When I think of one, I'll do the same - ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 3:11:48 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Still in Jane land Bradley (Welcome to Ecto!) writes: > How does one pronounce Jane Siberry's name? sib (lib-eration, fib) er (her, fur) ry (re, as in Mary) I've heard her say this so I trust it :-). I used to promounce it like si (eye, pie) berry. sib-erry sounds so much better. > What other albums are available by her? Jane Siberry No Borders Here The Speckless Sky The Walking Bound By The Beauty When I Was A Boy Summer In the Yukon (which is a compilation album) Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 00:13:30 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Lamb Subject: Re: Jane the Subversive On Sat, 15 Jan 1994, WretchAwry wrote: > You're welcome! Thanks to all who are giving their Jane testimonials, > it makes me feel better, that Jane didn't click with me right away. Agh! I just got RhodeSongs, stop before you get me buying someone else's music on $0/month income! HEHEHE... Actually, to let'cha know, Happy's music was like that for me, except it only took a few days. I liked the sound of most of her stuff, but wasn't really into it until someone gave me the ftp site and I downloaded all the album lyrics. I listened to the songs while reading the lyrics and now, instead of "1 or 2 that sound cool" there are "1 or two that I don't like quite as much as the others." Of course, those are the ones I don't have lyrics for (Summer, Ashes to Ashes, Save Our Souls). After I got used to her voices and how she sings I'm finding the lyrics fit the music and the music sounds 10 times better. I also like the way the music intertwines with the lyrics. A good example is on "I Say" where when she sings the chorus lines "Not , or ..." where her words are punctuated by the bass. Great stuff. Steve C. Lamb Sysop, Abcb Cafe (916) 363-1424 24/7/356 2400-14.4K v32bis PGP key CRC: 384/6CFEE3 - Insert funny line from KOR here. When I think of one, I'll do the same - ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 22:28:05 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: RE: classics, as well... Mike Bravos: > > Philip (who visited Mike's room in TinyTim today :) > > Did you? :) How nice... Wait a moment, I thought it was locked? :) > And what a shame, it is still quite bare... but I have a good excuse :) - > I'm going to be busy building my new room and other stuff in the EctoWorld > MUD, so the TinyTIM place will be out of order, possibly... and, no, I won't > say where the EctoWorld is... yet :) That'll explain why I couldn't work out how to get back there :) I didn't know where it would be, so I simply brought it up in conversation with a friendly chap by the name of Sketch who promptly teleported me there :) You're right about there not being too much there at the moment :) I *tried* to send you a letter, but I think I messed up... Have a look near the automatic mail machine... I had already created the letter according to the instructions and I thought the machine would send it for me... it charged me 15 pennies for a stamp and then asked me to write it! I aborted at that stage and it swallowed my stamp evidently... :\ I think I just dropped the letter near there and left :) Philip ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 09:24:34 -0500 Subject: tori sings china... china sings tori.... A friend of mine from Hong Kong played for me a song called "Cold War" by Faye Wong, a famous pop singer the same... What's interesting about this song (most of her stuff is like muzak) is that she took the piano/synth arrangement of "Silent All These Years", and basically *only* changed the words. So she sings in Chinese, and I'm told that it is not a translation, but her voice is very sensuous and the song is very well done. I play it for friends who are familiar with tori and they are utterly amazed. How many other people have heard this? I am thinking of putting it on the next ecto group-effort tape project, just so it ends up in Doug's tape database... -- | Alan Ezust ezust@{binkley.}cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| "Recursion is a lot like recursion, only a little simpler. ...except when it's not." ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 08:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Lamb Subject: Re: tori sings china... china sings tori.... On Sat, 15 Jan 1994, Alan Ezust wrote: > How many other people have heard this? I am thinking of putting it on > the next ecto group-effort tape project, just so it ends up in Doug's > tape database... I've not heard it, but would like to. Steve C. Lamb Sysop, Abcb Cafe (916) 363-1424 24/7/356 2400-14.4K v32bis PGP key CRC: 384/6CFEE3 - Insert funny line from KOR here. When I think of one, I'll do the same - ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 09:59:19 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* **** Chris Sampson **** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 SDCN Ilka Heber Mon February 1 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 2 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 2 1963 slow children Stephen Thomas Fri February 4 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 16 Jan 1994 08:00:21 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: Hullos and Bdays and Lyrics Hullo and Welcome all new Ectophiles! Tod: Don't worry too much about the volume... soon you'll understand that ecto is all that matters in life, and your problems shall be solved! :) Happy Birthdays to Troy and Chris and Dennis!!! (and to everyone I miss also! :) John: you asked about how people listen to music... I often look at the lyrics of CDs in the music shops, but when I've bought something I almost invariably listen to it without the lyrics at hand for the first time at least... Sometimes I have to make myself look at the lyrics as I have a tendency to simply enjoy the music and only absorb a part of the meaning, but it is certainly true that often the music is very closely tied to the song, and knowing the words will enhance one's appreciation of the music as well as giving greater (if not necessarily full) meaning to the song... If that sounded awkward I'm not surprised :) Philip (I hope this gets through, as the net is having a bit of trouble in my area I think... I'm not sure if I've gotten everything during the night... :\ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 15:45:40 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: A Choral Christmas...sigh... Ectophiles who have been around at least a couple of months will remember that Charley, Chris and I traveled from Chicago to Toronto in early December to see an amazing collection of goddesses in concert together. Jane Siberry, Holly Cole, Victoria Williams, Mary Margaret O'Hara and Rebecca Jenkins performed together for the first and *only* time in history. These 5 women will probably never appear on the same stage at the same time again, so it was an amazing and wonderful treat to see this one-time-only event in person. When we returned, I posted that the concert would be edited, and broadcast on CBC in Canada on Christmas day and again the day after Christmas. Supposedly, the concert was going to air on some NPR and APR stations in the USA, but I have no idea if it was, in fact, aired anywhere in the USA. The deafening silence from Canadian Ectophiles and Love-Hounders led me to think that maybe the concert hadn't been aired in Canada either. (hmmm, yes, "you" should feel guilty if "you" missed this concert :-)) Oh joy, oh bliss...it *did* air, and Mike Loftus, being the wonderfully, dramatically nice person that he is, sent me a copy of the concert. It's even more beautiful than I had remembered! Being there, I was so psyched up about so many different things (seeing these women perform, watching them in action, writing down the song titles, checking the audience out, remembering to breathe) that much of the actual music passed me by. Well, not really, but you know how it is. If I hadn't written down the song titles (and gotten a set list afterwards) I wouldn't have remembered hardly anything I heard, I was so overwhelmed. Listening to the show now, I can concentrate on the music and I'm overwhelmed all over again. This is so beautiful! THIS IS *SO* BEAUTIFUL!!! Everyone involved in the concert deserves the highest praise, from the performers (of course) to all the technicians who made everything sound so wonderful, to the CBC staff who did an excellent job of recording and editing the show for broadcast, right on to Mike Loftus, who must have a dynamite receiver and dubbing deck. Everything is *perfect*! A am sending a dub of the concert to Doug Burks for his tape dubbing service, and I'll post everything I've put on the tape. In the meantime, here are the songs that the CBC broadcast, and the songs left off: -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A CHORAL CHRISTMAS featuring: Jane Siberry Holly Cole Victoria Williams Mary Margaret O'Hara Rebecca Jenkins and Tim Ray on piano performing: It Came Upon A Midnight Clear (hummed as Jane introduces the show) Un Flambeau, Jeanette. Isabella (all) In The Bleak Mid-Winter (all) Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas (Victoria solo) Wildwood Carol (Jane solo) I'll Be Home For Christmas (Rebecca solo) Deck The Halls (Holly solo) A Holy Thing (Victoria solo, her song) Are You Burning Little Candle? (all, Jane song) Count Your Blessings (all take turns soloing) Please Come Home For Christmas (Holly solo) What Is This Fragrance Softly Stealing (Mary Margaret solo) The Wassail Song (all) Silent Night (all) We Wish You A Merry Christmas (all) A CHORAL CHRISTMAS was ...recorded at the Glenn Gould Theater, December 3, 1993 ...broadcast on CBC radio December 25 & December 26, 1993 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- These are the songs that were sung at the concert, but they were not included in the CBC broadcast: Little Drummer Boy (Holly solo) Everything I Wish For You (all, Mary Margaret O'Hara song) White Christmas (Mary Margaret solo) Carol Of The Bells (all) Patapan (all) Never No (Mary Margaret solo, her song) I had posted something like this, except that I added ** beside the songs which were performed, and * beside the songs which were not performed: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ The following is a list of the songs sung, in the order that they were sung. Since the broadcast concert will be trimmed to an hour, not all of these will be heard on the radio. They were all quite wonderful, and it's sad to know that probably half of these songs will be cut out. ** It Came Upon A Midnight Clear (hummed as Jane introduces the show) * Little Drummer Boy (Holly solo) * Everything I Wish For You (all, Mary Margaret O'Hara song) ** Un Flambeau, Jeanette. Isabella (all) ** In The Bleak Mid-Winter (all) ** Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas (Victoria solo) ** Wildwood Carol (Jane solo) * White Christmas (Mary Margaret solo) * Carol Of The Bells (all) ** I'll Be Home For Christmas (Rebecca solo) ** Deck The Halls (Holly solo) ** A Holy Thing (Victoria solo, her song) * Patapan (all) ** Are You Burning Little Candle? (all, Jane song) ** Please Come Home For Christmas (Holly solo) * Never No (Mary Margaret solo, her song) ** Count Your Blessings (all) ** Here We Come A-Wassailing (all) ** What Is This Fragrance Softly Stealing (Mary Margaret solo) ** We Wish You A Merry Christmas (all) ** Silent Night (all) Repeats* In The Bleak Midwinter Are You Burning Little Candle? Deck The Halls Everything I Wished For You (* They weren't happy with the first versions, so they came back on-stage to re-record these. They wanted to repeat more, but the theater management wouldn't let them.) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Well, ok, not half of the songs were cut, but it's a shame that any of them had to cut at all, especially since listeners missed out on 2 Mary Margaret O'Hara-written songs and 2 Mary Margaret O'Hara solos. :-(. There wasn't anything wrong with them, there just wasn't enough time in the final broadcast. Too bad it couldn't have been a 90 minute special. The only song there *was* a problem with, and which they would have re-recorded at the end if the theater hadn't shut down, was "Patapan" and that's a shame too, because it was so wonderful. It was the most complex, being a madrigal for multiple voices. I'd never heard it before but Charley said he used to sing it in school. The women only had 3 days to practise *everything*, and "Patapan" is one of those songs that requires weeks of practise. For as little time as thay had, I thought they did very well, but there were enough little mistakes here and there to rule it out for the broadcast. Ooo, I wish I'd snuck in a recorder and taped the concert, just to have those extra songs. Thank you Mike Loftus! Thank you thank you thank you! Vickie "Up there somewhere, a great band is playing..." Jane Siberry ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 15:49:02 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Hey Bday! HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Chris Sampson!! *HUG* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 1994 16:19:14 -0400 (EDT) From: NEUMANN%KSUVXD@ksuvxa.kent.edu Subject: ADD phyxn873@ksuvxa.kent.edu ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 17:17:34 CST From: johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon) Subject: Top twenty I though that I'd be self indulgent and post a more-than-top-ten-it's-a-top- twenty. These are, of course, the favorites of the moment. They do not include songs from Rearmament, since that is a recent purchase, and has yet to be digested properly. John's Top Twenty Happy Rhodes Songs: _____________________________________ 1. Warpaint 2. Noone Here 3. Lay Me Down 4. Given In 5. Words Weren't Made For Cowards 6. I Say 7. Number One 8. Under and Over the Brink 9. Out Like a Lamb 10. Ode 11. The Wretches Gone Awry 12. The Flight 13. Closer 14. Suicide Song 15. Don't Want To Hear It 16. Would That I Could 17. In Hiding 18. Off From Out From Under Me 19. When the Rain Came Down 20. Look For the Child Also, From: WretchAwry It's happened often that I've come to really like a song after learning the lyrics. "He's Alive" is a great example for me too. The lyrics seem so simple, and I never much paid attention to the song. It came between two of my favorite songs too, so I was impatient with it. For me, it's an example of coming to love the song more after knowing what it's about. (For newer Ectophiles...it's the image of a girl sitting in front of a monster she's painted, conjuring the monster to life to "roam the streets, invade the dreams" of people who have hurt her. Pure Happy :-)) Vickie I take it that an obvious interpretation of this song (I had not really paid that much attention to it before) has been discussed before, that Happy is the girl, that her songs are the monsters. In this case, the monsters are not sent to invade the dreams of those who have hurt her, but are sent out to invade *our* dreams. I know that I have been blissfully haunted! John H. ("I'm not a happy kid, I'm barely getting by.") ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 15 Jan 94 18:57:13 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Top twenty JohnH writes: > I though that I'd be self indulgent and post a more-than-top-ten-it's-a- > top-twenty. These are, of course, the favorites of the moment. They do > not include songs from Rearmament, since that is a recent purchase, and > has yet to be digested properly. Uh oh, John, you've discovered The Hard Part...picking favorites! :-) (Just wait until Rearmament hits you...will you be able to cut *out* any of the songs below?) > John's Top Twenty Happy Rhodes Songs: > _____________________________________ > > 1. Warpaint > 2. Noone Here > 3. Lay Me Down > 4. Given In > 5. Words Weren't Made For Cowards > 6. I Say > 7. Number One > 8. Under and Over the Brink > 9. Out Like a Lamb > 10. Ode > 11. The Wretches Gone Awry > 12. The Flight > 13. Closer > 14. Suicide Song > 15. Don't Want To Hear It > 16. Would That I Could > 17. In Hiding > 18. Off From Out From Under Me > 19. When the Rain Came Down > 20. Look For the Child I liked this list so much I couldn't delete it :-). Yep, yep, yep yep yep, every one is truly wonderful. > Also, >From: WretchAwry >> It's happened often that I've >> come to really like a song after learning the lyrics. "He's Alive" is >> a great example for me too. The lyrics seem so simple, and I never much >> paid attention to the song. It came between two of my favorite songs too, >> so I was impatient with it. For me, it's an example of coming to love >> the song more after knowing what it's about. (For newer Ectophiles...it's >> the image of a girl sitting in front of a monster she's painted, conjuring >> the monster to life to "roam the streets, invade the dreams" of people >> who have hurt her. Pure Happy :-)) >> Vickie > I take it that an obvious interpretation of this song (I had not really > paid that much attention to it before) has been discussed before, that > Happy is the girl, that her songs are the monsters. I think so. Happy said she wrote that song *based* on a monster she painted when about 14. She named the monster Alice (though Alice is definitely a *he* and he's in the archives gifs directory) and yeah, I think it's a fantasy that she experienced. > In this case, the monsters are not sent to invade the dreams of those > who have hurt her, but are sent out to invade *our* dreams. :-) She never would have guessed at the time she wrote it, or recorded it, but you're absolutely right. I *like* that!! > I know that I have been blissfully haunted! Melt My Heart City, USA... beautifully put! > John H. ("I'm not a happy kid, I'm barely getting by.") That's one of my favorite lines too... Vickie "I thrive on the wind and the rain and the cold" HTR (seems apt!) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)