Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #950 ecto, Number 950 Tuesday, 4 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Margot Smith Mailing List now automated Re: new lookalike candidate Re: When the rain came down... Ian's not top anything Whew am I tired! Re: The Piano Happy Rhodes Song Book Further proof that life is stranger than fiction The weakness of strong Thai tea and other stories weirdness in melbourne ectopics bad taste, or just plain tastes bad ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 17:19:55 +1100 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Margot Smith Mailing List now automated I have installed ListSERV software here at Xymox and have gotten it working (I hope!) so the still-unnamed Margot Smith mailing list is now fully automated. Those who were already on the list, still are. Those who want to be: Send mail to margot-list-request@xymox.apana.org.au with any subject and the word HELP as the body of the message for a help-file by return mail listing commands you can use to subscribe, get a FAQ, etc. Or to subscribe directly with no fuss, mail that address with any subject and the message body SUBSCRIBE margot-list Easy!! Those on the list may now post to it, by the way. But I'd like to keep this list to matters related to Margot - for general chat, use Ecto, that's what it's here for :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 3:42:53 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: new lookalike candidate MJMs a long time ago: > I still haven't read about the 950 Kate thing in Chicago over TG. > Has anyone reported on this yet, or am I just not up to date > on my digest reading (or both?)? I can't remember anyone else answering this. I didn't go myself, but Chris said that it was pretty lame. Sony didn't come through with any T-shirts, buttons or anything Kate-related. Chris also said most the music was lame (except when the guy was playing Kate). You (and I) didn't miss anything by not going. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 19:47:08 +1100 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: When the rain came down... Vickie quotes me: > "Lefty" Horan klaused: Lefty? > > Michael Colford appeals: > > > I was a huge Do-re-mi fan, and I've noticed a couple people > > > mentioning Deborah Conaway's solo album. > > > > There are two solo albums, actually - "String Of Pearls" (1991) and > > "Bitch Epic" (1993). > ^^^^^^^^^^ > Call me old, roll your eyes and snort, call me PC, call me what you will, > but I have to speak up and say that I *HATE* it when women use derogatory > terms against themselves and I refuse to pay money that encourages this > shit. It's the reason I've never subscribed to "Bitch" magazine, and it's I don't pretend to have a complete insight into Deb's reasons for the album title, but I can quote the reason she gives in the CD booklet: "Bitch Epic was conceived during a sultry January sprawled on a futon overlooking Coogee Beach. I was dry, between songs, fearful I should never write again. There is an exercise for moments like these. Random words, cut up and pulled from a hat. There it was; Bitch Epic stared at me from the carpet. No no no, but it would not go away and it would not be ignored. The album title just was and I succumbed. Sometimes it happens. Yesterday I was a daisy and today I'm a bitch. Deal with it. All my tomorrows, DC" Meanwhile, Ethan picks the highlights of last year... > ETHAN'S TOP 15 ALBUMS OF 1993 > ----------------------------- > > 3. Lloyd Cole, _Bad Vibes_. While the dunderheads at Capitol haggle over > whether this would be a commercially viable U.S. release, I picked up the > import. So far it's the USA's loss, because Cole continues to prove himself > one of the world's best songwriters. One I forgot on my 1993 list, but a terrific album. Also some familiar faces in there - Anton Fier, Matthew Sweet, Fred Maher, John Carruthers... > The Beloved, _Conscience_. Jon Marsh is gonna make you "happy happy happy" > if he has to bang you upside the head with a synthesizer. I found this album to be a crushing disappointment after the sublime pop of "Happiness". Still, there are at least three moments of brilliance on there - "Spirit", "Sweet Harmony" and "Dream On". > INXS, _Full Moon, Dirty Hearts_. "We ask too much of the song / To come and > save our souls / When all it's trying to do now / Is save its own." They > said it, I didn't. Not a disappointment in the true sense, since these guys > haven't had it together since the days of _Kick_ and _Listen Like Thieves_, > but it's still sad to see how the mighty have fallen. I'd actually go further and say they haven't been able to get it together since "The Swing". - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 5:32:06 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: When the rain came down... "Lefty" Horan asked: > Lefty? Remember the tailor? :-) > > > There are two solo albums, actually - "String Of Pearls" (1991) and > > > "Bitch Epic" (1993). > > ^^^^^^^^^^ > I don't pretend to have a complete insight into Deb's reasons for the album > title, but I can quote the reason she gives in the CD booklet: ... > Yesterday I was a daisy and today I'm a bitch. Deal with it. Yep, well, *she* can deal with it. I don't have to. Especially when she tells people who've just bought her album for the outrageous prices Australians have to pay, to "deal with it." (I do like Nutella though. The album cover should have been a picture of a female dog covered in Nutella) I understand too what Emily said about "bitchin" being ValGirlspeak, but "Babes" combined with "Bitchin'" is too much for my sense of humor (and I *do* have a good sense of humor, and I *do* think Christine Lavin is usually quite amusing). Vickie (not *really* in a bad mood...just being contrary) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 13:18:22 GMT From: imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk (Ian Young) Subject: Ian's not top anything Hrmph! I was going to do a top ten of albums from this year that no-one had mentioned yet, but taking a look back over the last month's posts all of the things on my list had been mentioned, except for one -- you people have amazingly good taste in music! :) I suppose I could make it into a little (prize-free*) competition, but it's not particularly Ecto**, so there'd probably not be much point. Oh, what the hell, it's a competition! Giveaway clue: Electric Guitar. * Sorry; I keep doing this. I blame the `content-free' entry in the Jargon File. That and `focus-free' cameras. ** I'm not quite sure what that phrase means, but I'm not going to let that stop me. Other news. Coming soon to the Wolfson Computer Lab. WWW Home Page (http://wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk/); more exciting pictures from in and around the University of Birmingham...well, assuming I didn't make a total mess of taking them. Possibly some of Mitzy the mad grey-but-looks-as- if-she-might-be-going-ginger cat. Actually, when I bought the camera last week, the guy recommended I left a skylight filter on the lens to protect the front element. On Saturday I slipped on some ice that the weather had carelessly left lying around, and fell over, camera in hand. And indeed, the front element was protected by the frame of the filter taking most of the impact by bending and cracking the filter... hmm, not quite what he had in mind, perhaps. Maybe I should take a photo of the bruise on my bum... then again, maybe not. Ian. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 09:57:57 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Whew am I tired! Just read over 200 ecto posts. (232 to be exact). Did it in just over an hour and a half so I obviously skimmed several of the articles. Anyway, it is great to be back. Had a great Christmas and a great time spent with my family. My mother and I spent a great deal of the time shopping for CDs and then going home and listening to them until the wee hours of the morning. (At least once my grandmother came home. All that she likes to listen to is Lawrence Welk, and watch the Glenn Miller story on TV). As for Jane Siberry's When I Was a Boy--It was my #1 album for last year. I knew my Mom would like it but I didn't know how much. I played it for her and she just started crying. Had to go out the next day and buy herself a copy. Also spread the Happy Rhodes word to all my friends and family back home. I picked up Victoria Williams Happy Come Home. Excellent album--like everyone else says--rush out and buy it. I was surprised how versatile her arrangements are. Each song is definitely unique and her voice isn't as bad as I had expected after Vickie's warnings. (Not that it is bad at all-- just not everyone's cup of tea (Thai Iced?).) Maybe I'll have to break down and buy Sweet Relief. Anyone heard of Best Buy? They have great prices on CDs and an incredible selection. I bought Victoria Williams there as well as Diamanda Galas' The SInger (I couldn't believe they had that.) No Happy Rhodes though. Oh well. I got the Kim WIlde SIngle Collection and Mae Moore's Bohemia for Christmas. The Kim Collection is a good sampling of her work, and Bohemia is very good. A soothing album--something like Heidi Berry. Also picked up Sam Phillip's The Indescribable Wow (doesn't quite live up to the title), Kate BUsh's Rubberband Girl single, the Brazil soundtrack and Sunscreems album. Pretty musical Christmas overall. Oh, I also got the Tori Amos Little Earthquakes piano book. Excellent! Has some great little stories and great photos. Now if I just had a piano. As for the This Mortal Coil posts--I have seen the domestically released CDs--but some record stores are waiting to sell their imports before they order them (after all who is going to pay $25.00 for a cd they can get for $13.) But they are out there. And I would highly recommend them to anyone who likes Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, David Sylvian or anyone like that. I still have not bought Blood, I've been debating over whether to get the boxed set. It'll End in Tears has the best songs on it (Song of the Siren and Another Day), but overall I think Filigree and Shadow is the best album of the two I have. (Its also a lot longer--almost an hour and fifteen minutes). I finally saw The Piano. Excellent film, but did they change the ending due to audience response? It seemed like it was not the original ending intended. Anyone else agree? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Hanson | (619) 458-5130 4161 Campus Point Court M/S E3R | hanson@ast.saic.com San Diego, CA 92121 | ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 10:27:11 PST From: "John Relph" Subject: Re: The Piano Jeff made a good point: that the ending of _The Piano_ didn't seem like the original ending. I don't know if I agree, but here's a question given the actual ending: did she put her foot into the ropes intentionally? Or was it her subconscious will of which she was so afraid? -- John ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Whew am I tired! Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 12:13:26 -0800 (PST) > > Just read over 200 ecto posts. (232 to be exact). Did it in just over > an hour and a half so I obviously skimmed several of the articles. Anyway, > it is great to be back. > I logged on several times during the holiday and *still* had too much to read when I got back. > Anyone heard of Best Buy? They have great prices on CDs and an incredible > selection. I bought Victoria Williams there as well as Diamanda Galas' > The SInger (I couldn't believe they had that.) No Happy Rhodes though. > Oh well. > I love Best Buy. Many new releases are $9.89 or $10.89. Several of the stores in the Dallas area have Happy as well. > Also picked up Sam Phillip's The Indescribable Wow (doesn't quite live up > to the title), Kate BUsh's Rubberband Girl single, the Brazil soundtrack > and Sunscreems album. Pretty musical Christmas overall. > I've heard a lot about the Brazil s/t, but have not gotten a chance to hear it. How highly do you recommend it? > As for the This Mortal Coil posts--I have seen the domestically released > CDs--but some record stores are waiting to sell their imports before they > order them (after all who is going to pay $25.00 for a cd they can get for > $13.) But they are out there. And I would highly recommend them to anyone > who likes Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, David Sylvian or anyone like that. > I still have not bought Blood, I've been debating over whether to get the > boxed set. It'll End in Tears has the best songs on it (Song of the Siren > and Another Day), but overall I think Filigree and Shadow is the best album > of the two I have. > (Its also a lot longer--almost an hour and fifteen minutes). > Speaking of which, I have a vinyl copy of Filigree & Shadow that I don't need if anyone is a completist. Lemme know and we can work something out. br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 12:20:11 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Re: Whew am I tired! br!an asks: I've heard a lot about the Brazil s/t, but have not gotten a chance to hear it. How highly do you recommend it? I still haven't listened to it much, but I'm not really that impressed. WHile it is a must for any Kate Bush completists, her song is awfully short and atypical of most her work. The rest of the soundtrack is filled with conversations and dialogue from the movie which is rather distracting in my opinion. The music is nice, but does not really move me on any emotional level. I'd give it a C overall. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Jeff Hanson | (619) 458-5130 4161 Campus Point Court M/S E3R | hanson@ast.saic.com San Diego, CA 92121 | ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 12:21:28 PST From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Re: The Piano SPOILER ALERT: (Don't say I didn't warn you.) Anyone who hasn't seen The Piano yet may not want to read this (though I do try to be vague). John Relph says "did she put her foot into the ropes intentionally? Or was it her subconscious will of which she was so afraid?" I would have to say she did it intentionally, for it was her will that chose life--much to her surprise. Also, was the scene at the beginning when Holly Hunter's character cuts off her daughters skates while she sleeps just simple foreshadowing of what was to happen to her (being cut off from what she loves most), or, was what happened to her, her karmic retribution? Either way, the only character I really felt sorry for throughout the movie was the little girl. Even though she betrayed her mother repeatedly, she was only trying to make the best out of the situation. Or was she? Were the angel wings depicting her true nature, or simply sarcastic? Boy, I could go on all day discussing this movie. ---------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Hanson ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 17:02:23 -0500 (EST) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Happy Rhodes Song Book Happy New Year, A coupla questions and a suggestion or two. First: Is anyone out there (besides Diane Burke and myself) interested in "figuring out" and exchanging the (very annotated) "fake book" versions of Happy's music? I remember that there are some musicians among us, and that some earlier members had gotten together and recorded some cover versions. Diane and I are working on a method for easily and completely translating the necessary musical information, and are also (slowly) adding to the list of songs, which, so far, includes Would That I Could, I Have a Heart, Possessed, and a coupla others. So far we've centered on the one voice, one guitar stuff, but we could, eventually, notate the more complicated stuff. The format seems to be somewhere between a "fake book" and TAB (not a very confined format, eh?). Second: Does anyone know of Happy's feelings about this? I'm assuming it's okay with her as long as it's not given away gratuitously, and that no one tries to profit from it. If there are interested Ectophiles out there, please email me with the names of songs you've already figured out, and I'll get you up to speed on the system (which is undergoing rapid updating). Oh, yeah, provided there is a response to this, is anyone interested in the stuff appearing in the archives???? Jess? .----------------------------------------------------------------------. | Most of the things we were told in Indonesia turned out to be false; |. | sometimes immediately. The only exception to this was when we were |\| | told that something would happen immediately, in which case it turned |\| | out to be false over an extended period of time. |\| | .-----------------------|\| | -Douglas Adams | Chris Sampson |\| | (From "Last Chance to See") | chris@neuron.uchc.edu |\| `-----------------------------------------------`-----------------------'\| \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\| `------------------------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 14:15:32 -0800 Subject: Further proof that life is stranger than fiction What a great idea! Makes me feel like slipping some Happy CD's into Whitney Houston jewelboxes. ;) Ethan Begin forwarded message: THE BLO -- BARBIE LIBERATION ORGANIZATION -- STRIKES By BRIGITTE GREENBERG Associated Press Writer SAN DIEGO (AP) -- When 7-year-old Zachariah Zelin ripped off the Christmas wrapping, he squealed with delight. Santa brought the talking G.I. Joe doll he wanted. Problem was, Joe talked like Barbie. His doll stands at the ready in its Army fatigues, machine gun and hand grenades at its side. But it says things like, "Want to go shopping?" The BLO has claimed responsibility. That's Barbie Liberation Organization. Made up of more than 50 concerned parents, feminists and other activists, the BLO claims to have surreptitiously switched the voice boxes on 300 G.I. Joe and Barbie dolls across the United States this holiday season. "We have operatives all over the country," said one BLO member, who wished to remain anonymous. "Our goal is to reveal and correct the problem of gender-based stereotyping in children's toys." Among the messages the tampered G.I. Joe utters are, "I love school. Don't you?" and "Let's sing with the band tonight." In a deep voice, the altered Barbie says, among other things, "Dead men tell no lies." The BLO claims a few other doll voices were reversed in Canada, France and England. The group contends Barbie teaches sexism and passivity in girls, and G.I. Joe influences boys to act violently. A spokesman for Hasbro Inc., the maker of G.I. Joe, called the BLO's attack "ridiculous." "This will move us to have a good laugh and go on making more G.I. Joes," said Wayne Charness of the Pawtucket, R.I.-based toymaker. "Barbie dolls and G.I. Joes are part of American culture." A spokeswoman for Barbie's creator, Mattel Inc. of El Segundo, would say only that no consumers have complained. When Zachariah was asked whether he wanted Santa to take back the feminine Joe, he responded sharply, "No way." "I love him. I like everything about him," he said as he and three neighborhood friends played with the doll. "He's teaching me not to fight." His parents are thrilled, too. Although Zachariah has water guns, his parents say they oppose violent toys and were unwilling to buy the G.I. Joe. The doll was Zachariah's grandparents' idea. The parents were shocked, but tickled, when the doll turned out the way it did. Zachariah's parents said they are not part of the BLO, and had never heard of it. "I think it really became an educational toy. I'm really happy it worked out this way," said Zachariah's mother, Susan Orlofsky. "Our job is to help him understand so that he doesn't think he has to be a soldier. I think it's amazing." ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 1994 15:58:28 CST From: Subject: The weakness of strong Thai tea and other stories For openers, a salute to the immortal David Street for inspiring the title of today's essay. (Cf. M.S. Granovetter, in _American Journal of Sociology_ 78:6, May 1973.) Vickie speculates: >Don't worry, I don't think there is a High School at Cabrini Green. Actually, there is. The former Cooley Vocational High, now known as the Near North Career Academy or something to that effect, is in that neck of the woods. (For the second time in as many weeks, ecto has proven itself the place to look for demystification of Chicago geography :-). ) Later, she continues: >19941994199419941994199419941994199419941994199419941994199419941994 >(just practising...I'll get it down pat sometime in June...) Probably just as well it isn't three years ago. It would be ambiguous whether to put two ones together, or have one one do double duty; and if the former, whether the string being repeated was 1991 or 199 :-). Aeren makes a new year's resolution: >I will strive to restrain my propensity for obscurity in future, using >the phosphorescent stylings of Mitch as my model. :) By an ironic coincidence, part of my leisure regimen Saturday was watching the original _D.O.A_ on television. I'd be hard put, IMHO WIVH, to surpass Edmond O'Brien when it comes to phosphorescent stylings :-). By another coincidence, the song "Too Much Sex, Not Enough Affection" by Timbuk 3, which is quoted in Dennis' signature, was performed in the remake of this classic _film noir_. The general consensus is that Dennis Quaid was especial- ly hard put to surpass Edmond O'Brien when it came to phosphorescent stylings, though Meg Ryan's performance was pretty good IMHO WIVH. (It should probably be apparent by now that I have not undertaken to be bound by the same specification that Aeren had alluded to :-). ) Too bad the U.S. release of Tori's "Cornflake Girl" didn't occur in time for _The Midnight Special_'s salute to food last Wednesday. This week they're do- ing a salute to drink. Speaking of which, I could have used some Thai tea the past week, when I slept through _World News Now_ precisely when Aaron Brown was making a return appear- ance to anchor the Year in Sports retrospective. The weakness (cf. the title of this essay) of the stuff, however, is that the fatigue would not have been nullified, merely deferred, and I would eventually have zonked out at length no matter what. So Scott Miller was also with Game Theory? And Donnette Thayer's partner in Hex was with The Church? Small world. Several years ago, my music buying habits were heavily informed by a syndicated music show called _New Grooves_, which ran late Saturday nights (oh, for Thai tea :-) ) and still ranks, IMHO WIVH, as the best of its kind ever done on free TV, despite being cancelled a few months later. It regularly ran videos by Game Theory and by The Church, both of which promptly ended up on my must-buy list. I shall have to ponder where my Game Theory cassettes are buried, they apparently having gone out of print when Enigma Records went belly-up. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 18:29:16 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (mineswept) Subject: weirdness in melbourne a friend of yours, anthony? >Melbourne, Australia: > >In the outer-suburb of Berwick, Mr. Barry Pope thought >his house was being burgled when he was woken by >thumping and scratching noises at 4am. > >Mr. Pope, a self-employed plumber, said he peered >through a window and saw a wombat hurling itself at the >door of his house. > >Every time he opened the door, the wombat tried to >force its way inside. Eventually, Mr. Pope called local >police and four officers arrived to investigate. > >A sergeant had to jump a fence to safety when the >wombat, a burrowing marsupial about the size of a >badger, charged in a desperate bid for freedom. The >wombat was finally captured, bundled into a divisional >van and driven to Narre Warren watchhouse, where it >spent the night in a cell. > >Constable Brad King said the wombat, dubbed Wild Billy, >was later handed over to a fauna reserve employee. ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 19:22:53 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (mineswept) Subject: ectopics avoiding bill-paying, i turn to the recent ecto posts and blather. Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) sez: >1. The Connells, _Ring_. Just when I was beginning to think this band would >never top their second album, 1987's masterpiece _Boylan Heights_, they >released this consistently brilliant, melodically irresistable album. i've listened to this a few times (and am again even as i type) and it really hasn't infected me yet. it's getting there though - i caught them on emptv's 120 minutes live performances recap and thoroughly enjoyed "slackjawed." >Guitar pop in the vein of the Judybats, Toad the Wet Sprocket, or even >R.E.M....only better. the connells are prime examples of what i usually call "power guitar pop." the other two good examples are the judybats (good call!) and guadacanal diary (ex- front man murray attaway's album _in thrall_ wasn't that great of an album but his live performances earlier this spring were great). game theory kinda falls into this grouping but they're too oblique - same applies to r.e.m. though they are oblique in a different way. >4. The Cranberries, _Everybody Else Is Doing It, So Why Can't We?_ Demoted a >few points because its fragile acoustic pop seems just a bit too simple to >age well, this is still the year's most delightful debut, not to mention most >welcome new voice in the form of Dolores O'Riordan. honestly, i don't understand what the fuss about this band is. as meredith summed it up in a discussion we had, the name of the band pretty much describes them. i find them enjoyable from a background listening perspective but they don't intrigue me at all. >8. The Judybats, _Pain Makes You Beautiful_. gotta buy this sometime.... >14. The Pursuit of Happiness, _The Downward Road_. mmm, oh yeah - another power pop thang, though with more of an edge... nevermind moe berg's sex'n'food combos. consid sez: >5. Margot Smith, SLEEPING WITH THE LION this is as good as a time to post my feelings on this album, huh? i've listened to it a few more times since meredith brought it back and i just had a serious listen earlier tonight. i think i'm taking the middle road between neile's and sue's reactions. i like margot's wordsmithing and the album is very pleasant to listen to, but about half the songs don't stand out musically. however, the ones that do are excellent. my favorite tracks are "adored," "life time," "bellyman" and "child." i'd say that _sleeping with the lion_ is a worthy but not necessary addition to an ectophile's collection. WretchAwry sez: >Interesting that someone else felt the same way. I do hope that what we >say won't turn anyone off buying the Hex albums, because there are songs >on both that I really love. If anyone sees them in the cut-out, bargain >or sale bin, I'd highly recommend either/both of them. i agree whole-heartedly! "in the net" (amongst other songs on the first album) are brilliant pieces. given a choice i'd take the first over _vast halos_ since the latter is a lot less compelling. >>>Iza Trojanowski "Independence" Woj mentioned this one before, I think) >> i did? refresh my memory. :) >Hmm, well, maybe not then. well, are you going to tell us about her?!? :) hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) sez: >Each song is definitely unique and her voice isn't >as bad as I had expected after Vickie's warnings. i've always been a little shy of saying that victoria's voice is hard to listen to. diamanda galas' voice is hard to listen to; victoria's just requires a bit of a readjustment - it's strange at first but soon sounds very natural and is perfectly listenable. >As for the This Mortal Coil posts--I have seen the domestically released >CDs--but some record stores are waiting to sell their imports before they >order them and some are pricing the domestic releases *like* uk imports. meredith and i haunted a camelot music over the weekend (a dangerous pastime, i must admit - i should have known that the import section would do me in) and found copies of all three tmc albums with the warner brothers emblem on the label for $18 apiece. granted, camelot's normal prices are higher than even sam goody's but that's ridiculous. sez: >Several years ago, my music buying >habits were heavily informed by a syndicated music show called _New Grooves_, mmm...i remember that show. we used to cablecast it back when it was a regular offering from...ummm...damn, i've forgotten the network. we had to stop when whichever network it was (a college tv network, that much i remember) started transmitting the programs to member stations via satellite - a technology that our shoestring operation couldn't really deal with. the host was meg somebody-or-another. it was a really good program - i used to schedule it so i got to play the tapes. :) +woj ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 3 Jan 94 16:53:52 PST From: Neal Copperman Subject: bad taste, or just plain tastes bad >>and I were hanging out at my apartment while I roasted the turkey. I had >>let both Nemo and Olive (darling, wiggly 5-month-old kitten) out to play, Sometimes, as I read my mail, my eyes start to wonder down to the next line. Try that on this one and you'll find the surprise that I found, Emily, roasting the kitten! Neal ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)