Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #944 ecto, Number 944 Tuesday, 4 January 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* infp and etc wow Re: infp and etc Decrease in volume of posts Re: psychotic hungry cats More questions from the Happy newbie Re: Recovering NIN addicts anonymous... Should be... Re: IRC & telnetting, etc. Sarah's sex (we're getting kinky now ;) Cyberion City getting focused The whole story and other stories, or: A salute to non sequiturs :-) Weather stuff not really all that much San Francisco/Seattle/German 'philes? Re: ecto #939 ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 02:48:52 EST From: mojzes@monet.vill.edu (brni) Subject: infp and etc hi there... yeah yeah, i realize this is old news for most of y'all out there, but i'm more way behind on my mail than i've ever been. >I took the Myers-Briggs test the other day. I answered 110 very >tedious questions courtesy of DDLI, and got a ranking of ESTP. >(36E:34I, 32S:27N, 54T:18F, 17J:40P) > >For brni's and other's benefit, here's the key to the abbreviations: > > Extraversion <-> Introversion > Sensing <-> iNtuition > Thinking <-> Feeling > Judging <-> Perceiving > seems to me that the 2nd-4th categories are not opposites or mutually exclusive, but rather that they are integrated into each other (for example, thinking and feeling are inseperable, judging and perceiving are identical, etc.). extroversion and introversion *are* opposites, but are not, i think, mutually exclusive in all cases. >The test I took seemed very arbitrary - the only use I can think of is >to play this game if spirits are too high at a party :-) > even then, the risk is just too high... ;-) > >Kjetil T. > brni ======================================================================== From: snpf@ugcs.caltech.edu (The Duchess Of York) Subject: wow Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 02:12:34 -0800 (PST) My mail server crashed from so many messages. :) I love ecto i love e t o the package will get to a happy happy soon. it's a new years thang. doom? I can't doom, I can't gopher. from this terminal , at least. a plunky poem. no sadness, no fear no belonging, no tears no? I must feel the layers peel discarded with pain new blood spills allowed to burst free river busting slowly a tear curls down my cheek. if y'all haven't read joe zitts play 'gabrielle' I highly recommend it. intense. -seanympf ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 07:58:18 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: infp and etc On Tue, 28 Dec 1993, brni wrote: > >For brni's and other's benefit, here's the key to the abbreviations: > > > > Extraversion <-> Introversion > > Sensing <-> iNtuition > > Thinking <-> Feeling > > Judging <-> Perceiving > > > seems to me that the 2nd-4th categories are not opposites or mutually > exclusive, but rather that they are integrated into each other (for > example, thinking and feeling are inseperable, judging and perceiving > are identical, etc.). extroversion and introversion *are* opposites, > but are not, i think, mutually exclusive in all cases. You'd have to read up on it to get the real meanings, but the labels aren't necessarily the meanings of the letters. For instance, E(xtrovert) - I(ntrovert) is a little misleading. For Meyers-Briggs purposes, an 'E' is someone who is energized from without (i.e. others) and an 'I' is someone who is energized from within (i.e. self). It's all somewhat interesting. Michael (infp) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 08:05:45 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Decrease in volume of posts Hi everyone! I am amazed at the difference in the volume of posts that has occurred for the holiday break. I guess it shows what percentage of ectophiles travel home to see family or go to college. I want to thank Vickie for doing her best to fill my mailbox with posts to ecto yesterday to make up for this lack of volume. They were all very enjoyable reading. Take care everyone! Michael ======================================================================== Subject: Re: psychotic hungry cats Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 09:01:26 -0500 From: Dan Riley Albert Philipsen sez: albert> 7. The moon seven times albert> I find it weird that people like this better than Area, albert> because I like the few Area songs I've heard (all acquired via albert> Doug's tape dubbing project) better than this. and woj sez: woj> [...] moon seven times' organic sound is much more palatable to woj> my ear than area's mechanical one. that said, i still enjoy woj> listening to _the perfect dream_ and _between purple and pink_ woj> quite a bit...area's stark sound is still interesting and when woj> it's done well, it is beautiful ("brave parade" and "with louise" woj> are prime examples). just want to (mostly) second what woj said. I like "with louise" better than anything on _the moon seven times_, but there is not much else on _the perfect dream_ that I like nearly as much as most of _the moon seven times_--so, on the whole, I do think moon 7x is better than area, though I don't think moon 7x matches the very best of area. It sounds like Albert has only heard the very best of area, so that may explain his reaction... -dan ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 09:09:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Alucard (Dr.)" Subject: More questions from the Happy newbie Robert Lovejoy welcomes me to "ecto" and comments: > In other news, I note you signature, Alucard. In addition to being a > famous backwards vampire, it was also the publishing company of Gentle > Giant, one of my all time favorite bands, so I was just checking to see if > you may have been a fan too ( a long shot ). Just a long shot, I'm afraid - it was a name an e-mail friend gave me years ago (before e-mail was fashionable) and it kinda stuck as my net.name. I liked SOME Gentle Giant, but not to the extent of naming myself after their publiching company! ;-) TO keep this on a "Happy" note, I have another question for you which is probably one of those newbie questions, but there aren't too many people around at the moment so I hope i"m foprgiven for wasting your bandwidth... I have Rhodesongs, my only Happy album to date. I got a gift certificate for Mid-winter festival and want to buy another Happy CD. Question is: which one? My local CD store has all of them, so I have a complete choice. I prefer her synth stuff to pure accoustic (although this is relative - I love it all!) and I read somewhere (was it here or on the liner notes) that Rhodesongs was representative of her more quiet work. So, folks - what would you recommend I buy next, knowing what I just said? Thanks for your help! Alucard (Dr.) "Why does it hurt when my heart misses the beat?" ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 09:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: Re: Recovering NIN addicts anonymous... Kevin Knapp: >> I have a small problem. I still actively listen to NIN. Is this a problem? Vickie Mapes: >:-) I can't answer (I'm not even sure if I've ever heard NIN), I just >wanted to say hi! Vickie, Vickie, Vickie. When one has heard NIN (Nine Inch Nails, aka Trent Reznor), one usually knows it! :-) Knowing you as I do (which isn't really enough to be telling you who to listen to, come to think of it), may I *suggest* you listen to _Pretty Hate Machine_. I think you might find "Something I Can Never Have" a very intense experience (with headphones, volume up, eyes closed [but leave the lights on, in case the experience is a little too much]). I used to think this song was about me. And then I realized that I had never met Mr. Reznor (so how could he write about me?). But now I have it figured out - he must have met my niece when he was opening for Guns 'n Roses (after all, she was at ALL the concerts), and she filled him in on me. [The last time this happened, it was a Carly Simon song. I was *sure* that one was about me! ;-)] -Sam ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 14:18:00 BST Subject: Should be... Greetings fellow ectoids, and all the ships at sea: Kwanzaa is upon us, though it's not quite meant for me. Christmas is quite over, the New Year's not begun, And ecto is the fuzzy blue place where every day is fun! >From I.R.C. to Telnet, or maybe just E-mail, You'll find the 'philes flying forth on this net without fail. From Continent to continent, from countries near and far, We're all here 'cause of Happy, though she isn't quite a star. (Should be!) And so to those on ecto, I send you lots of cheer! Were you here with me right now, I'd offer you a beer, Put Warpaint on the player, and turn the volume loud. Perhaps soon it may happen; just to know you I am proud. So Greetings ectophiles, in spirit we're together. We keep each other happy when outside is lousy weather! And for this doggerel I admit I'm trying very hard But it to me is seeming like a third rate birthday card! In closing let me tell you I like it here a lot! Perhaps someday I'll telnet to IRC, or not. Farewell for now, my dear friends, I now shall seek repose. When I return I promise all I write will be in prose! (Should be!) +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co + Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 10:00:38 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Should be... Awww, wasn't that sweet. Sure, it might have been like a greeting card, but I echo your sentiments! Thanks for the poem! Michael ======================================================================== Subject: Re: IRC & telnetting, etc. Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 11:13:46 -0500 From: lcliffor@bbn.com Yes! This sounds like my old days of 'Zork'ing, but with real people wandering around! I never knew these things (MUDS) existed, but they sound great! Another vote for EctoWorld. Laura ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1993 21:09:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: Sarah's sex (we're getting kinky now ;) Hi! Well, the secret's out. Greg (footah!), woj, jess, and I really are the same person manifested in four separate versions, pick your favorite one or save money and enjoy us all! ;> It does get scary sometimes, but it is fun having clones. Makes getting everything done that much easier... not. Thanks, jess, for mentioning the Sophie B. Hawkins song! I can't remember the title either, but I do remember it engendering some interesting discussion in these pages a year and a half ago or so. I had been trying to remember where I had heard the subject handled in a song elsewhere, and that's the one. (I think Sarah does it better, but that's just me. :) I hate to be a rumour-monger, but someone a long time ago mentioned in passing on one of the lists I'm on (has to have been ecto or love-hounds, I think the latter) that he had heard that Sarah herself is bisexual. I have seen and heard nothing before or since to indicate this outside of song lyrics, which admittedly one can interpret however one wants, especially depending on the wish-fulfillment of the interpreter [;)], but if anyone else has heard or seen evidence on this subject one way or the other, I'd appreciate hearing about it, to satisfy my own sick curiosity if nothing else. (Please reply to e-mail so I don't feel as guilty about bringing it up in the first place. Thanks.) After re-reading that last paragraph, I think I need to take some medication. I'm beginning to write like Mitch. As a final aside- Big Hat on a good stereo system KICKS. Really. It's been said many times here before, also by me, but I reiterate: go buy _Selena At My Window_. Now. Meredith (back in freezing Connecticut- brrr!) meth@delphi.com ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Should be... Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 13:41:26 -0500 From: lcliffor@bbn.com Bravo! No third-rate birthday card, that! :-) Laura ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 14:08:51 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Sarah's sex (we're getting kinky now ;) On Mon, 27 Dec 1993, Suspended In Duct Tape wrote: > As a final aside- Big Hat on a good stereo system KICKS. Really. It's been > said many times here before, also by me, but I reiterate: go buy _Selena At > My Window_. Now. Got it last week after reading about it here in ecto. I've only listened to it once so far, and it sounded quite interesting. I'll let you know as I assimilate it more. It's so nice to have ecto to hear about new music all the time. > Meredith (back in freezing Connecticut- brrr!) Welcome back to New England and its cold snap! Michael ======================================================================== Subject: Cyberion City Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 15:03:45 -0500 From: lcliffor@bbn.com Hey, thanks Jeremy! I just had a small tour and wander in Cyberion City! Unfortunately, I didn't find my way to your house...any hints? I tried the shuttle, but the Eleanor Roosevelt Residential Area wasn't listed... Don't you just love the quiet holiday time at work? :-) Laura ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 17:38:58 From: dbburke@mit.edu (Diane Burke) Subject: getting focused Hi everyone. I don't have IRC *and* I only receive digests. Would people mind cc:ing me posts? It's lonely here. I went through several years being depressed and shut down and not listening to music, or doing anything remotely creative. I've been coming out of that for a little while now. Last Februaryish someone handed me a HR tape. "Check this out". He made me listen to "Rainkeeper" which I didn't really like that much. So it wasn't till weeks later we got together to play and figured out "Would That I Could" which I liked immensely. So I listened to the whole tape. Each successive time I listened, I found a new favorite. ("Rainkeeper" is still not my favorite.) :-) So, I'm just now coming out of my HR trance. My friends have not been quite as enthusiastic as I have been about her, but they've been very patient with me. HR gave me focus for my guitar lessons. I gained some things,1) greater appreciation for HRs range 2) insight that voice lessons would be a good idea for me, but I will never sound like HR 3) insight that I have a lot to learn. I like the top 10 lists. I like hearing people's reviews too. Soon I'm off to check out the local used CD stores. And I do plan to go pick up Tori Amos. Got rave reviews. Hope I like it. :-). I'm looking for my next focus. Bye, please cc me at dbburke@mit.edu thanks, Diane ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 13:38:04 CST From: Subject: The whole story and other stories, or: A salute to non sequiturs :-) It's good to be back at a familiar terminal, where new line and function keys work the way they're supposed to and I don't have to fall back on the arrow keys to move the cursor over and down, nor on commands fully spelled out to get anything else done. The environment is finally favorable for putting the saga of Chris and Vickie's Boxing/St. Stephen's Day bash into the record. I had not gotten around to buying a new weekly pass prior to Sunday, and as fate would have it, I had only the exact change for a basic fare _sans_ trans- fer; so I took the northbound #6 bus to its northernmost point and set out on foot for the supermarket at Clark and Division, it being the only place that sells transit passes that I knew would be open Sundays, and by a convenient coincidence, located adjacent to a subway station whence I could ride directly to the vicinity of Gaffa Central (the Clark St. bus would have gotten me even closer, but would have taken ages to get up there). When I walked by the Jazz Record Mart, I decided to stop in, browse, and warm up temporarily (the latter being the most important, actually). For the sake of something particular to do while defrosting, I decided to look up the new album which the paper said, a few Sundays ago, had just been released by an old high school classmate who is now a jazz musician. As fate would have it, they had none of his, but numerous titles by another, much older jazzman with the same name. I rechecked the new releases bins, finally found somebody I could ask, and learned that they expected his disk back in stock the middle of January. Satisfied that I had used the warmup time productively, I headed the rest of the way down Grand Ave. to Clark St., at which corner happens to be a bakery/restaurant whose pretzel bread was discussed on WBEZ a few weeks earlier. Figuring that it couldn't hurt to fortify myself for the last 6.5 blocks of walking, I went inside and ordered an eggnog latte and a pretzel roll. With those inside me, I proceeded; when I got to Chicago Ave., I noticed the prominent electric sign of the currency exchange at Chicago and LaSalle, touting their 24-hour opera- tion. Deciding to check out the potential for saving myself a few blocks walk- ing, I cut over the short block, found them open, and finally procured unlimit- ed riding through Saturday. The zoning administrator of Chicago may have pro- nounced that sign an eyesore, but I pronounce it a source of useful information :-). I happily walked the block and a half to the Chicago and State subway station, and boarded the train to Rogers Park. The entire population of Gaffa Central when I arrived consisted of Chris, Vick- ie, The Other One (a cat), Dave Dixon, and presumably Harvo (another cat, who never bothered to come out, however). After chatting awhile with Dave and Chris, I went over to look at Vickie's IRC session. Ultimately I was sat down, given my own /nick on Vickie's session, and ended up exchanging a few pleasant- ries with Philip in New Zealand. At the end of that session, we tried to log me onto my account to check my incoming email, but came a cropper when we couldn't figure out the key sequence to clear the screen under the operative terminal table. In short order, I was knocked offline anyway by the phone ringing. It was Paul in Moscow. Vickie talked to him at length, and put me on for a short time, but she noted that it was a bad connection. Be that as it may, she induced Paul to say a few words for the answering machine, which the game plan was to play for Happy later on. Subsequently, we returned to IRC. At various points in time, our talking part- ners included Kath, Patricia, Philip, Mike Bravo, Tim Cook and a couple of oth- ers who escape me. I ran my clear-screen problem by Mike, who suggested a key sequence I might try. Eventually, Chip arrived, and figured out how to get me connected viably to my system, for which I was and am greatly appreciative. When it became apparent that certain commands could be entered only with diffi- culty, however, I elected to limit my live dispatch from Gaffa Central to a few loose ends left over from the last time I posted. As I was struggling with all that, the others were watching a video on the making of _Brazil_. Prior to all that, I had the rare opportunity to watch Rowan Atkinson in the role of Mr. Bean on the cable, after which Chris Boek and Steve Fagg called from England. We all chatted at some length, some of us taking turns on the phones. Eventually Steve and Chris recorded bits of business on the answering machine. Vickie recounted the saga to them of Paul's bad connection from Moscow, which was reflected in his recording on the answering machine; I quipped that if one can make sense out of my posts, deciphering that recording would be easy :-). Ultimately, unfortunately, the time came when the frequency of transit service was on the verge of decreasing, and it became necessary to pry myself loose from these enjoyable proceedings. I never did get to see the tape of Dave's appearance on _Jeopardy_; hopefully, it will become a staple of future ecto parties. It seems that waiting for an elevated train on a cold evening can raise one's sensory awareness of certain things in a way one may not have anticipated. Looking down from the platform of the Morse Ave. station, I found I could see into the No Exit coffeehouse. There seemed to be a pretty good level of activity; I felt a certain sense of relative deprivation that it wasn't feas- ible for me to join it. I found myself unusually aware of the Christmas lights atop the Heartland Cafe, and the ones strung between a light pole and a store- front on the other side of the embankment. I was in the process of studying the murals painted on the walls of the north exit by schoolchildren in honor of Earth Day, 1992 when the train finally arrived. Some time after I got home, I put in a call to Gaffa Central to ask how things were progressing in my absence. I learned that the call to Happy had ended up being a call to Happy's machine (did they dub any of the tape of greetings to the one in Happy's machine?), and that Dave had left, leaving a hard core of Vickie, Chris, the cats, and Chip. The overarching lesson of the day, IMHO WIVH, was that anticlimactic holiday parties can be fun. The next morning, NPR did a piece about the Golden Palominos. Turns out that they're strictly creatures of the studio, and that no two of the band's ever- changing members have ever laid down tracks at the same time. You learn some- thing new every day :-). Now if they'd only do a feature on Happy. Later that day, I was getting a haircut, and the radio in the shop was tuned to WXRT, which was playing "Eat The Music." You never know when you're going to encounter Kate's music :-). The Sophie B. Hawkins tune to which Jessica and Meredith were alluding was "Damn, I Wish I Was Your Lover," which was indeed a semi-hot topic in these pages in the spring of 1992. Guess our genre, like any other, is destined to have its fair share of one-hit wonders :-). Neil writes: > Okay, I'm gonna ask this.... was David, at the end of the show, >standing on a stage between two female contestants, chatting with ol' >wossname the host? Was he wearing a dark jacket and a beard? 'Cos if >so, I caught the final 10 seconds of the show as the camera moves >around the stage as they play the irritating theme music, and saw him. The answer, in a word, is no on both counts :-). HOCH FU"NF to Bernhard Lorenz for the bilingual IRC guide. After reading Vickie's posts in depth, I tried telnetting to the IRC in Taiwan today, and got back a message saying "No termcap entry for ibm-3278-2. You may still run IRC by using the -d switch." Not really sure what they mean by that, but OK. Then I tried the server in Austria, but didn't even get that far. I shall have to check out, at my leisure, the VM clients listed in the FAQ that Christian sent me, for which thanks. Uli gives a short course in German pronunciation: >My name, contrary to the opinion of most English speaking people, isn't >pronounced as you-lee or you-lie. It's more a oo-lee, but with a short 'oo'. >So there just ain't no Uli-tide ;-) For some reason, this reminds me (to quote one of my oft-used phrases) of the musical _City of Angels_, in which the gumshoe's secretary is named Oolie. I have no idea how the authors thought up that name. In U.S. productions, at least, the character isn't German, so I doubt if it's a diminutive of Ulrike or anything like that. Then again, the musical-comedy is the same industry that put _The Red Shoes_ through the wringer, and came up with something that closed in three days and may long be remembered for being the most expensive flop in Broadway history--at least until something more expensive comes along. Go figure. Then again, if _Lonesome Dove_ is ever dubbed for German TV, it presumably would have a character named Juli (July in the original version), so such a name pronunciation is not totally inconceivable :-). Hope Holly's rescheduled ecto party goes well. Then again, it might have been interesting to see what form a conjoint ecto-rugby party might have taken. Somehow, it all reminds me (there I go again :-) ) of the current series of Miller Lite commercials, which speculate on the creative synthesis of competing events on TV (guess you have to be there :-) ). Personal to woj: I know well the pressure that multiple hungry cats can put one under :-). A day after I slept through Kirsty MacColl without even knowing it, I find out what I missed. The story of my life :-). Meredith observes: >After re-reading that last paragraph, I think I need to take some medication. >I'm beginning to write like Mitch. I'm already on medication (a Clor-Trimeton I took this morning when the cat dander got me runnier than it usually does), and I still write like me. The moral: Being drug-free has its rewards :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 1993 16:26:30 CST From: Subject: Weather stuff _All Things Considered_ just alluded to the recent flooding in Europe. Any of our friends been affected by all that? They also said it's expected to stay cold in North America (or parts thereof) for the rest of the week. Which reminds me of how the collapse of communism has wrecked my old theory of the attribution of cold weather. Long ago, I observed that Americans usually fingered Canada as the source of cold weather. I got to wondering what Canadians typically thought to be the source of such climatic conditions, and was led in the following direction: that Americans typically attributed cold weather to Canada; most of Canada attributed it to the Northwest Territories; people in the Territories usually pinned it on Alaska; Alaskans usually blamed Siberia; Siberians blamed the CIA; the CIA blamed the KGB; and the KGB attribute it all to the fallout from under- ground nuclear tests in Nevada. Since I don't think Nevada usually has that kind of cold weather, I never bothered to speculate on the attributed source in the minds of Nevadans :-). If _Bad Behaviour_ is playing where you are, go see it. You'll enjoy it. The script was improvised by the cast as they went along; it's a wry tale of mid- life crisis in the middle of the weirdest home repair work this side of Tim Allen. Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 18:50:16 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (the dark saxophone) Subject: not really all that much those of you who like a harder edge to your women-fronted bands would do well to look into the boston-based band tulips. they have a 7" single and a cd ep entitled _buxom_ out (to my knowledge); the former is on sonic bubblegum and the latter on earthling. i suppose you could use the word grunge to describe the music, but it's a lot heavier and noisier than what the typical alternateen would characterize as grunge. suzette fontaine's vocals are pretty incredible though - shrieking, yet melodic. yummy, but not for those with delicate tastes. +woj ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 29 Dec 1993 13:35:44 +1200 From: sainty_p@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz Subject: San Francisco/Seattle/German 'philes? Hello all... My sister is taking the plunge and venturing forth from New Zealand in search of adventure and excitement in the big wide world... The travel bug strikes :) She will be in San Francisco around the beginning of Febuary and may also go to Seattle while in the US. Around early/mid March, she ought to be in Germany, although I'm not sure where she intends going while there... If anyone in these areas would be willing to give her a place to stay for a few days or so while she is in your area, it would be much appreciated :) (She is not on the net, so any offers will be gratefully recieved at: SAINTY_P@kosmos.wcc.govt.nz (ie. me) and passed on...) Philip ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #939 From: revvie@qedbbs.com (Rod Bourland) Date: Tue, 28 Dec 93 13:29:30 PST Please start sending my ecto digest to ROD700@DELPHI.COM Thanks. This internet address isnt accessible enough ------------------------------ revvie@qedbbs.com (Rod Bourland) or qed!revvie The QED BBS -- (310)420-9327 ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)