Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #398 ecto, Number 398 Tuesday, 19 January 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Wrong Century, Sounds(?) Re: Loreena Conversions Eddi Reader, 2nd Round... Re: IS THERE ANYBODY [ A) IN, B) OUT] THERE? Shtuff Re: Daily Digest? my best albums of '92 Thomas Dolby & Cyndi Lauper ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Wrong Century, Sounds(?) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 23:21:59 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Joel Malman asks: >I don't think this has been talked about before, but if it has, I'm sorry >that I missed it. As far as I know, the last time anybody really said anything about this particular subject was around the end of March '92.... [regarding the stuttering vocals in "Wrong Century"] >1. Does anyone know how these sounds were generated? Uh, would you believe the somebody _sang_ them? Well, "sing" is kind of a generous verb. It's a fellow named Mitch Elrod (you may note that he's credited with "additional vocals" for "Wrong Century"), who's another Albany musician. I'm not sure how many times he and Happy have appeared on the same bill, but he opened for her at the Albany show on the Warpaint Tour '92. >2. Does anyone have an idea what these sounds mean? I've always interpreted them as being what the Native American protaganist is hearing as he tries to make it through this new world. I think it _is_ meant to sound very alien and harsh and a bit disturbing. >3. Do the voices have clues to other ecto interesting stuff? I'm not sure what you mean by this. The "vocals" are just that--vocals without lyrics. What sort of clues are you expecting, pointing to what sort of interesting stuff? Jeff ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Loreena Conversions Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 23:29:18 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu meth sez: >(woj is NEVER going to let me hear the end of this one.) And well he shouldn't! What a horrible place for a CD! >I semi-agree that the presence of whats-his-name on _Elemental_ is rather >disastrous, but it's not that bad. I think my favorite song of hers overall >is "The Huron 'Beltane' Fire Dance". But that song isn't _on_ _Elemental_! It's on _Parallel Dreams_, right before...um..."Anachie Gordon", isn't it? >The mixture of Native American and >Celtic beats and how they perfectly mesh is eerie... and it's wonderful. My >sister reported that it was UNBELIEVABLE in concert. (BAMBAMBAMBAMBAM - >) You're going to hate me for this, but to be honest, I've been disappointed with "Huron 'Beltane' Fire Dance" ever since I got a tape of _PD_ because it's so...subdued...compared to the version played as the encore at the Loreena concert I saw last November. I was also disappointed with "Dickens' Dublin", which was much better in concert, though the studio versioy nhas grown on me. > Don't worry--if they get their way, it'll be deleted from the computer... Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 03:20:38 GMT From: brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk (Jens P. Brage) Subject: Eddi Reader, 2nd Round... Hi! Vickie wrote: > She doesn't write her own > music, so she goes over in the section with Mary Coughlin, Julee > Cruise and other pure singers. True, though she does write some songs herself: "Whispers" (from "First of a Million Kisses") "All or Nothing" (from "Mirmama") "That's Fair" (from "Mirmama") "Cinderellas Downfall" (from "Mirmama") Also, she's partly credited with three other songs on "Mirmama" (the "Mirmama" inlet is pretty frustrating, though also quite entertaining: The writing in the "Special thanks to" section get smaller and smaller, ending with "Arggh I've forgotten somebody"! And in one corner is scribbled: "Charlie, [...] Charlie, I Love You"). > ****SHE IS WONDERFUL!!!**** Yeah! I've been giving subtle(;-)) hints about her music here and in gaffa, but I think Vickie's support will add a lot to my credibility! :-) > Yesterday Charley found *3* (three!) vinyl 12", all from Fairground > Attraction, at a used record store. He brought them over and I'm > going to tape them, but at least I know that they're still floating > around. You may be able to save some effort (and get a better quality) if you can get hold of "ay fond kiss". This is largely a collection of b-sides from singles: "Jock O'Hazeldean" (C,S) "The Game of Love" (FA,S) "You Send Me" (C,S) "Walking after Midnight" (C,S) "Trying Times" (C,S) "Mystery Train" (C,S) "Winter Rose" (FA,S) "Do You want to Know a Secret?" (C,S) "Allelujah -Live-" (FA,R) "Cajun Band" (T,F) "Watching the Party" (FA,S) "Ay Fond Kiss" (C,S) Author info: FA=Fairground Attraction, C=Cover, T=Thistlethwaite (FA collaborator). Release info: S=Single, R=Radio broadcast, F=First release > > Eddi Reader has the same kind of intimate, a little raspy(?) voice Cyndi > > Lauper has, but she uses it in a very different way: Softly, caressing and > > smiling. > Cyndi Lauper...that might give the impression that Eddi has a high, > silly voice. I know that Cyndi has a soulful, bluesy voice, such as > she used with Blue Angel, but many people might not be familiar with > that side of Cyndi. True, it was a somewhat risky comparison. I was only thinking of a certain quality of voice, perhaps "soulful" is a good word, not the overall style of Cyndi Lauper (which is extremely different). "Blue Angel", what's that? It sounds interesting... > I see Eddi as being closer to Mary Coughlin (though many might not > know her either.) Like you said..."Augh!" She is hard to describe. Hmm, perhaps I should check out Mary Coughlin, I think she's on the Femme Music Collection tapes (thanks, Vickie, by the way!!!). > Mary Coughlin & Carmel...Mari Wilson...recent kd lang...Julee Cruise > (except that Eddi isn't "ethereal" at all)...Eddi belongs in the > same category as these women, music-wise. No, she's very "earthy": You very much get the impression of a woman of flesh and blood singing to *you*, never mind there's a couple of hundred other people in the room... ;-) > As with the 2 albums I've heard, every song is good. And yes, those > familiar songs (Walking After Midnight, ....Secret and You Send Me) > are covers. *Great* covers! Hmm, I think I'll refrain from commenting on this: I'm starting to sound like a parrot! ;-) > It seems as if there should be at least one more 12" wandering around. > The song "Perfect" should have been a 12" release since it was the > single. (I actually have a video to "Perfect" from MTV. That's the > only time I had heard about Fairground Attraction until recently.) Yes, apparently "Mystery Train" (from "ay fond kiss") is from the "Perfect" 12" and CD single. > Eddi Reader, well worth tracking down. (Also look for Fairground > Attraction--not Fairport Convention, though Eddi and Sandy Denny > have a lot in common--and Patron Saints of Imperfection, which > may--or may not--be what _Mirmama_ is filed/listed under.) > Thanks again Jens! > Vickie "Allow me someday to touch you, the way that you've all touched me" Thanks Vickie, and the the rest of you! Also, Sam wrote: > You might be interested to know that Eddi Reader also appears on the new Thomas > Dolby album "Astronauts and Heretics". She sings a jazzy kind of ballad with > him called "Cruel". That's actually where I discovered her. Great voice! Thanks for the info, perhaps I should have a look at that album. I have somewhat ambivalent feelings about Thomas Dolby: On one hand, I think he's a great producer (e.g., his work with Prefab Sprout) and I remember some interesting stuff on the radio in the mid-80's, on the other hand the one single I've heard with his own music ("Airhead", I think) was pretty disappointing... Incidentally, he did the remix of "What You Do with What You've Got" on "Mirmama". Jens P. Brage | Dance the circle dance of dreaming, brage@sphere.home.id.dth.dk | lonely by the crystal sea. /\ | Spin the web of mist and moonlight, \SphereSoft | come, beloved, and follow me. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 2:24:52 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Eddi Reader, 2nd Round... Jens writes: > True, though she does write some songs herself: > > "Whispers" (from "First of a Million Kisses") > "All or Nothing" (from "Mirmama") > "That's Fair" (from "Mirmama") > "Cinderellas Downfall" (from "Mirmama") Ah! Well then, good for her! I love all these songs, but "That's Fair" is extra special. The lyrics are cynical, but witty. The chorus has Eddi singing "that's fair, that's fair, that's fair enough" and under- neath her main voice, she sings "Ummm is it? ummm is it? ummm is it?" Oh yeah, I should have checked the liner notes. Now that I know she wrote That's Fair my respect for her just spiraled upwards quite a bit more. > Also, she's partly credited with three other songs on "Mirmama" (the > "Mirmama" inlet is pretty frustrating, though also quite entertaining: > The writing in the "Special thanks to" section get smaller and smaller, > ending with "Arggh I've forgotten somebody"! And in one corner is scribbled: > "Charlie, [...] Charlie, I Love You"). Right! My friend Charley liked that when he discovered it (he told me about it on the phone when he first got the CD.) > > ****SHE IS WONDERFUL!!!**** > > Yeah! I've been giving subtle(;-)) hints about her music here and in gaffa, > but I think Vickie's support will add a lot to my credibility! :-) ! Thank you ! Your credibility is perfectly fine without me though. I am suprised that Fairground Attraction isn't better known here. How well did "Perfect" do as a single in the UK & Europe? Was it released in Canada? As far as that goes, was it released in the US, I wonder. MTV did play the Perfect video. I will agree that "Perfect" is the weakest of all the songs I've heard so far (which is most of them) and I have to admit that the video didn't encourage me to rush out and look for Fairground Attraction. > Author info: FA=Fairground Attraction, C=Cover, T=Thistlethwaite (FA > collaborator). > Release info: S=Single, R=Radio broadcast, F=First release Thanks for the information. (Ralph, will this go into your archives?) > True, it was a somewhat risky comparison. I was only thinking of a certain > quality of voice, perhaps "soulful" is a good word, not the overall style > of Cyndi Lauper (which is extremely different). > > "Blue Angel", what's that? It sounds interesting... It's the group Cyndi was in before going solo. I love it! I only have it on cassette, I don't even know if it's on CD. (I can't actually find the cassette right now. I'll have to hunt around a bit more to give info. It is a domestic US release though. On...Polygram - Mercury...I think. Blue Angel is the name of the group and the album.) > > I see Eddi as being closer to Mary Coughlin (though many might not > > know her either.) Like you said..."Augh!" She is hard to describe. > > Hmm, perhaps I should check out Mary Coughlin, I think she's on the > Femme Music Collection tapes (thanks, Vickie, by the way!!!). Y'welcome! Yes, I'm sure I put a song on the FMC. Also, Barry chose Mary for last year's HGP. Mary has 4 albums and my favorite is her 1st, called _Tired and Emotional_. Info will have to come in another post. > "Allow me someday to touch you, the way that you've all touched me" > Thanks Vickie, and the the rest of you! No problem. Thank *you!* Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 3:53:21 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: IS THERE ANYBODY [ A) IN, B) OUT] THERE? Chris Sampson writes: > On to personal business...... > Vickie: > I believe you should post as you see fit. Anyone not interested in > hearing about your experiences/state of mind can easily skip the > posts....perhaps the only concession on your part, if these are not to > exist in separate digests, would be to adopt a naming convention so as to > make it easier for those who don't wish to read them, to scan the topics at > the head of the digest........I DID read some of them.....editing is not > due to lack of interest, but rather lack of time. It could not have been > easy to post such feelings/memories so broadly...IMPOSSIBLE on almost any > other list. More power to you! Thank you, and to Dirk and to everyone else who has encouraged me to continue. I went into full cringe mode after the Child post. I read it again after it appeared in Ecto and I saw it as being....so....*trivial*. I couldn't believe that I had posted it, it was too long, it was too graphic (even edited) and it was totally meaningless, blah blah blah. Of course I beat myself on the head (not literally) over it. Now, even during all this, I did realize that it was a self-esteem thang. I mean, it wouldn't be trivial if it happened to anyone else, any other child. It only seemed trivial because it happened to me :-). Knowing that doesn't mean that I can automatically change the way I feel. What I know intellectually and what I feel emotionally are often two very different things. That's one of the many problems I'm trying to solve. Anyway, I'm back to normal now, and I can start posting again. Jessica is going to give me a few digests of my own again, which will help keep me from feeling guilty. I'm still in the process of editing and writing, but posts should start coming within the next few days. Warning...a lot will come in a short space of time. If I'm going to post these, and get them out before Equipoise comes out, I have to do it almost all at one time. If I don't get them out, they won't be posted at all, because I certainly wouldn't post anything depressing while the Equipoise excitement is going on. (So why am I posting depressing things *before* Equipoise comes out? I actually have no idea. It's important to me for some reason. I mean, it doesn't have anything to do with Equipoise at all, except for timing.) Some things will be very long, and some things will be very painful. I'll clearly mark them, so they can be skipped if wanted. Anyway, consider this a warning. Something wicked this way comes. Please, if there are any objections, let me know asap. **HUG** to everyone Vickie Now my mind, it screams to be free And to find the structure My mind, it screams to be free ======================================================================== ======================================================================== From: Martin Dougiamas Subject: Shtuff Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 19:30:19 +0800 (WST) Chris Sampson asks: > Is anyone out there aware of some GOOD instructional audio/video tapes > available for congas/african percussion????? Well, I'm a kit drummer primarily, though I've been hoping to get more into african percussion myself. I can't answer your question, but I can suggest you hang out in the newsgroup rec.music.makers.percussion, and ask again there. I know for a fact there are guys there who could help you. Kjetil writes: > Still going through my old mails: I think small mugshots would be a > nice addition to the Ecto File. I can volunteer to maintain it if > Martin thinks they are not appropriate. We had some discussion on this about this time last year... it was decided, I think, that we agreed it would be a good idea to have a directory in the ecto archives with ectophile photos, but no-one really had the equipment and time to get it set up. Greg's Happy concert photos were also going in there, if I remember correctly. Perhaps if someone were to collect photos via snail and email and scan them all at once? > While I'm at it, Martin, please add this to the file. OK! I shall post the entire list again soon, too. (broken into three easily-digestable parts :) Joel Malman writes: > I don't think this has been talked about before, but if it has, I'm sorry > that I missed it. In any event, maybe a reader can help shed some light on > the strange "sounds" found in "Wrong Century." [ cut 6, Warpaint ] Isn't that just Happy and Kevin making silly noises... with perhaps a bit of playing with tapes and backmasking? I believe that's what they did during the concerts (of which I've only heard a tape). As to significance... I think they are simply meant to convey the alieness of the central character's new world to him/her. Whoah.. look at the time... later, people. Martin -- Your eyes are weary from staring at the screen. Your eyelids feel very heavy. You feel sleepy. Notice how restful it is to watch the cursor blink. Close your eyes. The opinions stated above are yours. You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise. When you awake you will follow up this post and enthusiastically agree with it. Then you will send all your money to martin@cs.curtin.edu.au. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 12:48:37 MEZ From: DKASTENS@dosuni1.rz.uni-osnabrueck.de Subject: Re: Daily Digest? Hi Jessica, > I was indeed on vacation, and thus digests were sent out a bit > irregularly. I don't mind, as the digest maintainer - I'm glad someone > was willing to send them out at all! (many thanks to Dave :) > > My apologies to those who were inconvenienced by the week of sporadic > digests. Apologies for my impatience, I didn't know that you were on vacation. I hope you had a nice time. > There are a few reasons why I do not simply have a program send out a > digest once/day. One is that I will *not* send out a digest over 1000 > lines; there are several people on the list whose mailers cut mail off > at 1000 lines. Another is that I check each digest by hand to make > sure the formatting is ok; it's a fairly decent digester, but there > are a few situations it doesn't handle properly (like forwarded Wow, apologies again. I'm not aware of the trouble of running a mail server. I thought, the digests were created and sent out automatically. My admiration for checking everything by hand. > messages). Also, i *do* usually send out a digest each day, even if > it's smaller than usual. Sometimes I skip a day on the weekend if I > don't log in. Fine! :-) Thanks for clarifying everything. I'm a bit nervous and impatient at the moment, because I'm writing my diploma (Applications of Fuzzy Set Theory in Environmental Impact Assessment) and I hardly find time to calm down. Reading the digests always is a good reason for a break to relax. So, after several days of checking my mail and finding no digest, I thought I had to write something. Thanks again, Jessica! Dirk ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Shtuff Date: Tue, 19 Jan 93 12:24:33 BST On Tue, 19 Jan 1993 at 19:30:19 +0800 (WST) (still some seven hours plus in the future as I write this) Martin Dougiamas wrote: ... entire content of posting deleted ... > Your eyes are weary from staring at the screen. Your eyelids feel > very heavy. You feel sleepy. Notice how restful it is to watch the > cursor blink. Close your eyes. The opinions stated above are yours. > You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise. When you awake you > will follow up this post and enthusiastically agree with it. Then you > will send all your money to martin@cs.curtin.edu.au. Which I reckon must rate as *THE* most amusing .sig I've seen in a *VERY* long time. Good on yer mate! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Subject: my best albums of '92 From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Mon, 18 Jan 93 23:02:18 GMT As I didn't get _any_ replies on my request for the best album poll, I don't have to spend a lot of time calculating the results. So here are my 20 favourite albums of '92: Bel Canto shimmering, warm & bright Amos, Tori Little Earthquakes Vega, Suzanne 99.9 F^o Cherry, Neneh Homebrew Gosza, Barbara Becket & Buddha McLachlan, Sarah Live Bobo In White Wooden Houses Bobo In White Wooden Houses Fredriksson, Marie Den staendiga resan N'Dour, Youssou Eyes Open Shakespears Sister Hormonally Yours McKennitt, Loreena The Visit O'Connor, Sinead Am I Not Your Girl? Concrete Blonde Walking in London The Sugarcubes Stick Around For Joy Gabriel, Peter Us Lennox, Annie Diva Stewart, Al Rhymes in Rooms Vaya Con Dios Time Flies The Heart Throbs Jubilee Twist Rhatigan, Suzanne To Hell with Love I noticed that only three albums are by male artists, quite opposite to what I was listening 15-20 years ago. I tried to remember what my first album with female vocals was. It probably was "Novella" by Renaissance, but I'm not sure. BTW: does someone know the Sundays? Their song "Can't Be Sure" caught my attention. ___________________________________________________________ ( "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. ) ) Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." ( / --- Happy Rhodes --- \ / Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de \ ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1993 10:37 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: Thomas Dolby & Cyndi Lauper Jens (in response to a previous post from Vickie) wrote: >"Blue Angel", what's that? It sounds interesting... I believe Vickie already answered this, but I'm going to jump in anyway. I think Blue Angel's album was great! Cyndi Lauper was the lead singer, and they did, well I guess you'd call it rockabilly. Although I have not seen the album on CD (yet), she did record one of the songs, "Maybe He'll Know" on her "True Colors" album. If anyone is interested in a somewhat more jazzy Cyndi Lauper, maybe you should look into "Tycoon". It's a French musical with English lyrics by Tim Rice ("Evita", "Jesus Christ Superstar"). She sings two songs on the album, and they're both pretty good (at least I think so). There are also performances by Kim Carnes, Nina Hagen, Willie De Ville and Tom Jones. Quite an eclectic little thing! Later, in the same posting from Jens: >I have somewhat ambivalent feelings about Thomas Dolby: On one hand, I think >he's a great producer (e.g., his work with Prefab Sprout) and I remember >some interesting stuff on the radio in the mid-80's, on the other hand >the one single I've heard with his own music ("Airhead", I think) was pretty >disappointing... I believe "Airhead" was from Mr. Dolby's wretched third album, "Aliens Ate My Buick". If that's all you've heard of him, please give him another chance. His first two albums ("The Golden Age of Wireless" and "The Flat Earth") are very interesting in their ambiance. He kind of got confused, career-wise, by the third album, but now (something like four years later) he seems to be back on course. "Astronauts & Heretics" has a lot of guest artists: Eddi Reader, Ofra Haza, Eddie Van Halen, Jerry Garcia, etc. But it's really Thomas' record. He's done some intriguing things with Cajun stylings on a couple of songs, and written a nice range of numbers from jazzy to electronic. I think "That's Why People Fall In Love" is a pretty hot song! ======================================================================== Date: 19 Jan 1993 09:57:29 -0800 (PST) From: stevev@greylady.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Eddi Reader, 2nd Round... Jens Brage expresses some misgivings about Thomas Dolby from hearing the Dolby singles that get played on the radio. To this I say, teleport do not run to your local record store and get one of or both of _The Golden Age of Wireless_ and _The Flat Earth_. These are his most brilliant works (my favorite is TFE). ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)