23-Jan-92 6:38:41-GMT,16346;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA29276; Thu, 23 Jan 92 01:08:20 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA10424; Thu, 23 Jan 92 01:06:50 EST Date: Thu, 23 Jan 92 01:06:50 EST Message-Id: <9201230606.AA10424@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #124 ecto, Number 124 Thursday, 23 January 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Wow tapes & stuff Stoff Uff Da! tribe trivia Vickie's looks Re: Uff Da! Re: Vickie's looks ======================================================================== Date: 22-JAN-1992 10:38:28.37 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Wow Hi! Well, yesterday I got HGP 1. (Vickie, how do I get #2?) Talk about a cool tape! And I get credit too, although I must say it was a surprise- Klaus just asked me if I thought it was a good idea and I said go for it. But I'll take my name in lights any way I can get it there! ;) I died laughing when I saw how fuzzy-blue it was, too. We really are an affected bunch- but life is so much more fun that way, isn't it? Vickie, you did an awesome job- commendations! I was just going to ask if we knew Happy's reaction, but there it is. I'm glad she liked it. I missed the bit about the scarf, though- I take it it's fuzzy-blue? It's official: I am now going to Try My Damndest to get to the Albany show as well. Anybody passing through Connecticut on the way there wanna swing by Middletown and give me a lift? Exactly what is the name of the venue in Philly? I've got some friends in Philly who are interested in seeing the show, too. Vickie, you do *not* have to worry about people who like you just fine on the net turning around and avoiding you if they see you in person. Anybody who did that wouldn't be worth your time, anyway. (And, uh, thanks for the compliment- it kinda floored me. 8) Whoops- gotta run to my first class of the semester, oh joy, oh rapture. The best thing about being back at school is the net access... *---------------------------------------------* | Meredith Tarr | | *** | | "Living in the gap between past and future" | | *** | | mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu | *---------------------------------------------* ======================================================================== Subject: tapes & stuff Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 16:47:47 N From: Klaus Kluge Monday noon the flu hit me so badly that I had to leave work. Nothing to be happy about? It turned out to be an excellent timing because at my door I found the parcel from Vickie with the HGP tapes! So I spend the next one and a half days in bed with the HGP tapes. And very good "medicine" they were! I'm not surprised to hear that Happy loves the tapes. I do it too. A wonderful selection by everyone! Mitch wondered: > Damned if I know why, but listening to the Happy Gift Project tapes as I > write in relation to real or imagined foods that range from harmless but yucky > to harmless but wrongfully maligned by the health bureaucracy, made me think > of a witticism uttered sometime in the spring of 1966 by my high school German > teacher at the time. "Ein Gift ist kein Geschenk," he said. I'll leave it > to Klaus to determine whether or not that's really relevant to anything we're > doing 26 years later :-) :-(' . Well, I'm not sure about the relevance of this quote in current matters. Cultural differences make it impossible to judge it properly, and what can you expect someone to say, coming from an area in Germany where eating raw meat is very popular. But to explain "Ein Gift ist kein Geschenk" and why I had problems using "gift" instead of "present", simply look at these icons: - The english word "gift" is represented by a rectangle with a (hopefully) nice looking paper wrapping and a ribbon tied around it. - The german word "Gift" is represented by a black bottle, whose label has the picture of skull with bones. See the difference? The German word "Gift" is "poison" in english. footahahahaha! wrote > what else can i say?!?!? now we are going to drive to Wuppertal and eat > dinner with Klaus.... Was that you, ringing the door bell in the middle of the night? Four strange figures with chocolate mousse all over the face. I was too frightened to let you in. ;) Vickie about the Philly show... > Direct from Happy: "Taping is ok, cameras are ok, but no flash" and she That sounds good! > btw, video cameras at either gig are *not* ok. Happy said that they will > very likely tape it themselves. That's not certain, but she did say that > they have been "documenting" the rehearsals and other things. Ohhhh, yay! That sounds even better! > It's now almost 80% certain that Chris and Jorn and I will be going! Yes, Vickie&Chris&Jorn, go for it! You have to say "hello" to everybody from me and Claudia. :) > Klaus, the video you saw was for the song "Dizzy" which is on Hunkpapa > and is one of my favorite songs by them. The lyrics are about an Indian > woman who has fallen in love with a white man, and they are excellent. Oh, thanks, you recognized it from the sparse description I gave? Well, maybe they only have 2 videos and they are so different that you can't mix them up. I'll listen to that one again. "Hunkpapa" should have lyrics enclosed. Martin, also known as N_HAYS: > make entertaining reading. The more I hear, the stronger becomes my resolve > to come over to the U.S. Hey Klaus! Maybe we can time it so we're there > at the same time. Possibly when Happy plays the Yankee Stadium. :-) Yes, OK, see you at 17:32! Don't be late! ;) _________________________________________________________ . * | "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. | _ . * .* . | Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." | (_) . . | --- Happy Rhodes --- | . . o | Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge kkluge@Materna.DE | <== ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 11:56 GMT From: Merow!! my latest recommendation...Tori AMos... Stephen was kind enough to send me a copy but isnt vocal enough in her cause!! she is really good!! the album is _little earthquakes_...i cant recommend the title track as much as i can recommend the A side of the tape... Michael..i got Lene and Innocence today..THANX!!! only had a chance to listen to Lene so far but i intend to break her in on my daily 3 mile walk...with my walkman ...that has to be the best invention for ex-couch potatoes!!!! wish me luck on my ambitious paln to knock off a few pounds..Sis..when you next see me you wont recognize me and will walk past me blindly!! i wish!!! merow to all!! and thanx for the tapes..keep them coming..unlike SOME people on this list..i DO have time to listen to new music..but then again..unlike SOME people... i dont have the money to keep buying CD after CD... any Brit releases you want me to look out for??? Lene is hard to find.. Nina is near impossible..give me an easier one..ok?? ta ra.. Court! ======================================================================== Date: 22 January 1992 11:44:47 CST From: Subject: Stoff Thanks to Klaus for his rumination on my old teacher's atrocious trans- lingual pun "poison is no gift." It may not, indeed, have that much direct relevance to our times; but at least we all can feel some satisfaction that the great state of New Jersey has finally come to the realization that eggs sunny side up, _inter alia_, are no poison. (This minor preoccupation of mine seems to be catching; _vide_ Jorn's subject line on his encomium to Chris and Vickie.) At least Jessica and Joe will be able to celebrate his recovery with a helping of the newly disembargoed delicacy. But it's probably just as well that this whole thing is just about played out; lest we be confronted eventually with the spectre of the tapes for some future H.*.P arriving wrapped in Eggshell White paper :-) . Personal to Court: Notwithstanding the bouncing problem at your place, I have sent you an email; so watch your virtual reader (or its equivalent on your system) and your back :-), in no particular order. If you just don't get it, to borrow a phrase that women have been saying about men more and more lately :-), let me know and I'll resend it. It just now dawned on me, BTW, that as I excavate other items, I may stumble on my copy of the second Arson Garden album; do you already have that? All the talk of whether Happy's Philadelphia concert is best taped from th e board or elsewhere has gotten me to thinking. Has the AG label given any thought to releasing any of this as a live album? No matter that such a recor- ding would consist of previously recorded material, as the say in the business; it would give the fans something new until such time as she comes up with another studio album. In recognition of the recent variation in Greg's traditional sign off (which in turn reminds me, for some unknown reason, of the variations in the sign in the opening credits of _Fawlty Towers_, but that's neither here nor there), let me close simply by paraphrasing a venerable old Scandinavian aphorism: F F U D A . (If, to run one of my earlier jokes into the ground just one more time, you just don't get it, try running it by one of our Minnesota contingent. Or in the alternate, do we have anybody on the list from the real Scandinavia? But something tells me it is a phrase more likely to be heard in the former locale than the latter. :-) ) Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 13:55:19 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Uff Da! Mitch There is a neighborhood in Seattle called Ballard (which was once a town of its own) with a LARGE Scandinavian-heritage population. It's very common to see cars driving around with bright UFF DA bumperstickers. And forget about driving thru Ballard during the Norge independence day parade! Cheers, Mp ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 17:05:47 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: tribe trivia apart from a mention towards the end of this sentence, there are no Happy references in this... please excuse! for tribe fans new and old, a (partial?) discography: _Tribe_, 1987, Rutabaga Records RR-001, EP (vinyl) contains the original "abort", "pinwheel", "vigil", and "lemmings" _Here at the Home_, 1990, Rutabaga Records RR-003/CD-003 (LP/CD) contains the above tracks, plus "here at the home", "jakpot", "tied", daddy's home", "outside", and "rescue me". two tracks produced by Greg Hawkes of the Cars. _Abort_, 1991, Slash Records 9 26676-2 (CD) rerecords all of above except "pinwheels" and "lemmings", adds "easter dinner" (!), "joyride" (!!), "payphone", and "serenade". coproduced by Gil Norton (pixies producer...) i *think* RR-002 is the single of "abort" (B/W "pinwheels"??), but i have never found a copy... _Abort_ is probably the best bet for newcomers. the original version of the song "abort" (recorded on a 4-track in the group's basement) is incredible, though... and that's eNOUGH of that... (but no end to the footahs!) -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "yesterday i was thinking/it's a good time to change" -- tribe ======================================================================== From: lubkin@apollo.com (David Lubkin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 16:50:11 EST Subject: Vickie's looks I'm so scared about people meeting me, but it's a silly thing to be scared of and I'm really not going to let it bother me. If people (Happy, Kevin & Ectophiles) like me now, what I look like isn't going to change that. I know that, but still, I *really* wish I looked like Jessica or Meredith, then I wouldn't have to be scared at all. I've been a science fiction writer for a lot of years, and I've been to a lot of conventions. It's very common to meet people for the first time that you've known for years. And to meet an incredible variety of people. And no one cares about superficial details like someone else's sex, age, color, sexual preferences, physical dimensions, nationality, etc. It's not that the differences don't matter; it's that no one notices them to begin with. Of course, there are always bozos, but I'm talking about the predominant attitudes. And I get the same feeling about ecto. Look at the diversity we have on the list now. And the differences are either ignored (good) or revelled in (better). I don't believe for a minute that anyone will care what you look like. And I rather imagine that a number of people you've never met will want to hug you when they meet you. Just accept that you're going to be loved to pieces and change that "80% certain we're coming" to 100%. (BTW, I'm thinking about going, but I haven't decided yet. It sounds like a blast, but it's awful far, and she *will* be coming to Boston.) -- David. lubkin@apollo.hp.com ------- ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 17:28:52 -0500 From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert) Subject: Re: Uff Da! i went to college in MN (carleton, in beautiful downtown northfield MN, home of the jesse james day rice county pork queen!)(ain't that just *extraordinary*? she gets her own float in the parade!) aaaanyway, many were the debates and discussions over exactly what "uff da" meant and how to most effectively apply it in normal conversation (the answer to the latter is, of course, to sneak up behind a dozing, unsuspecting stranger (the average spectator at the jesse james day parade will do) and bellow it into their ear...) in these debates, if in no other way, footah! and the phrase in question are indeed similar. now, Sonya, who was in fact from northern CA and not MN or even scandinavia, swore that "uff da" meant "cowly owl" -- which did nothing to lessen the debate, but delighted your humble narrator to no end... heh, back to my current life, which involves being delighted to an unforeseen and surely wonderous end (eh, and one hopes any morbid overtones in that statement were purely incidental...) *hugs* and footahs! to all who need them, which is certainly all and every one... -greg -- gb10@gte.com -- "words weren't made for cowards" -- HR ======================================================================== From: foster@magnum.convex.com (Harry Foster) Subject: Re: Vickie's looks Date: Wed, 22 Jan 92 16:29:13 CST > And no one [in ecto] > cares about superficial details like someone else's sex, age, color, > sexual preferences, physical dimensions, nationality, etc. Well Said!!! Finally, "We're waking up - Yes it's good!" Harry ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! Your "humble pseudo-moderator" -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)