13-Jan-92 4:13:17-GMT,26305;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA20306; Sun, 12 Jan 92 23:04:15 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA04241; Sun, 12 Jan 92 23:04:11 EST Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 23:04:11 EST Message-Id: <9201130404.AA04241@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #107 ecto, Number 107 Sunday, 12 January 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* This was in news.groups... Hellos & whatnot.. More User unknowns Oh Mitch.. ectomancy poem (fwd) poem Concert talk ======================================================================== From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: This was in news.groups... Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 3:22:52 CST Imagine my suprise, I was minding my own business and look what I saw on news.groups. I followed it up in rec.music.misc with the Subject Line "Rec.music.ecto? You bet! (was Rec.music.pshish) or something like that. From: leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl (Leo Breebaart) Newsgroups: news.groups Subject: Re: RFD: rec.music.phish Date: 10 Jan 92 08:37:20 GMT nge1_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Naterbakerpotater) writes: > One more thing: This group of 300 follows a band that doesn't even have > their albums in the stores(yet!) never mind have any of their music on > popular radio. To have interest in a band like this shows quite a bit of > cohesiveness more than enough for a newsgroup. Which probably means that if r.m.phish gets created, we will next have all the Happy Rhoades fans trying to create a newsgroup (and after all, why not?). And after that... and after that... Phish fans in favour of this group have been far more reasonable (in my opinion) about it than Rush fans were previously. Also, they have a few points that I find it hard to argue with: e.g. if the mailing list is indeed so huge, I understand that they have a serious problem that cannot really be solved by just saying "take it to r.m.m". But. Once groups like r.m.phish are created, that will be an important precedent, and there will be more and more requests for groups devoted to a single band. I am against this (reasons have been explained by me and others hundreds of times), and will vote against r.m.phish for this long-term, future-of-usenet reason. As always, the best thing is simply to issue the call for votes, and see if these 300 followers will all vote in favour for the group. -- Leo Breebaart (leo@ph.tn.tudelft.nl) ------------------------------------------------- My answer: Leo Breebaart writes: > nge1_ss@uhura.cc.rochester.edu (Naterbakerpotater) writes: >> One more thing: This group of 300 follows a band that doesn't even have >> their albums in the stores(yet!) never mind have any of their music on >> popular radio. To have interest in a band like this shows quite a bit of >> cohesiveness more than enough for a newsgroup. > Which probably means that if r.m.phish gets created, we will next have > all the Happy Rhoades fans trying to create a newsgroup (and after all, > why not?). And after that... and after that... Wow, what a *GREAT* idea! I can see it now, rec.music.ecto! For the discussion of Happy and her music, and other female singer/songwriters/ musicians! Why not indeed? After all, they threw us out of rec.music.gaffa because we talked about her too much. Yes, we want our own newsgroup too! :-) (JUST KIDDING!! We've gotten too used to a friendly, no-flames fuzzy blue mailing list to want to mess it up. I tell you though, putting a call in for a newsgroup for an unknown artist is a great way to get that unknown artist/group known in a hurry! Hmmm...) Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us {-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-} { H To join the Happy Rhodes mailing list: H } { T ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu T } { R "We're waking up, yes it's good" R } {-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-} ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a post from gaffa, after Jorn posted the prices. My answer follows. From: bperegoy@slint.East.Sun.COM (Bill Peregoy - Hardware) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: ***Tickets now on sale!!!**** Date: Fri, 10 Jan 1992 07:03:59 -0800 Organization: Sun Microsystems Inc. - BDC > It will be Saturday March 21st 1992 (this is Happy, not Kate ;^), > 7:30pm at the University Museum Auditorium, 33rd and Spruce (and step on > it!), Philadelphia. > > Tickets can be ordered by mail (with an SASE) from: > David Broida, 8 Rochsolach, Paoli, PA 19301 > > Prices are $15.75 in advance, $17.75 at the door. > > Concert information line: 215-993-9332 > > There will be no opening act. Why so expensive? Nothing turns me off more than a new artist (or any artist actually) charging so much for a show in a small vanue. In addition to pissing off fans, you completely eliminate the possibility of picking up any new fans who stop in because they're curious. I regularly pay $5-7 to see much more established acts (for example $5 for Nirvana a few months ago, $5 for Mudhoney and Superchunk, etc.) and would never pay this to see Happy. That's too bad because I like what I read here about her and would gladly pay a reasonable amount to see her live if she played in this area. Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------- My answer: Bill Peregoy writes re Happy concert: >> It will be Saturday March 21st 1992 (this is Happy, not Kate ;^), >> 7:30pm at the University Museum Auditorium, 33rd and Spruce (and step on >> it!), Philadelphia. >> Prices are $15.75 in advance, $17.75 at the door. > Why so expensive? I don't know, but Happy has nothing to do with the price. > Nothing turns me off more than a new artist (or any artist actually) > charging so much for a show in a small venue. Happy's hardly a new artist, but I understand what you mean. Are you from Philly? If you're familiar with this venue, how many people does it hold? I'm just curious, because I thought I heard Kevin say it was a 2000 seat theater. > I regularly pay $5-7 to see much more established acts (for example $5 > for Nirvana a few months ago, $5 for Mudhoney and Superchunk, etc.) and > would never pay this to see Happy. That's too bad because I like what > I read here about her and would gladly pay a reasonable amount to see > her live if she played in this area. I've seen tons of great bands at bars for $5 or $6, but for a theater concert, I don't think I've ever paid less than $15, so the venue certainly does have a lot to do with it. I doubt if she'll be playing in any bars on this tour, which (IMHO) is a good thing. So many great concert experiences were ruined for me because the band played at a bar. My own attitude is that, though I don't like paying high concert ticket prices, there are some people I'd rather pay extra to see in a civilized theater setting than at bars, where people talk throughout the concert, wander around, and make it very hard to hear and concentrate on the artist/group. I've had bad experiences at The Innocence Mission, Syd Straw and Throwing Muses, to name a few that, during the concert, I was wishing like crazy they were NOT playing a bar. Plus, many/most bars don't allow underagers in. I remember how many great concerts I missed when I was 16-17 because the band played at a bar. Using Ecto as a general barometer, Happy's fans range in age from 17 to 58. I'd hate to be 17 years old and miss seeing Happy just because of the venue involved. Also, bars don't usually have seating, except for maybe stools around the bar and booths sometimes. Happy's music isn't made for "mingling" situations, it's to be listened to closely, paid attention to, concentrated on. A theater setting is perfect for her in that regard too. Happy's been playing in bars for years, so I'm pleased that she's finally getting to a point in her career where she can get out of them. > In addition to pissing off fans, you completely eliminate the possibility > of picking up any new fans who stop in because they're curious. I don't think her fans will mind paying this price for Happy. There are lots of Ectophiles who'll be traveling far distances to see her in Philly. I know there are Boston & Washington, DC fans are going, and Jorn and I are toying with the idea of going ourselves (from Chicago) so Philly fans can count themselves lucky if they are only driving across town. And she does have a lot of fans in Philly, many more than in any other city in the USA, even Albany, where she's from. The NPR station there, WXPN, has been responsible for that. Her song "Feed the Fire" was rated #1 most requested song for the *year* on that station. She won't have this built-in audience in other cities on the tour (dates have not been set anywhere else, btw) so she will by necessity have to play smaller venues elsewhere. Philly really is an unusual situation, so the "new fans who stop by" situation won't even be needed there the way it will elsewhere. I doubt that tickets will cost this much in other cities. Vickie {-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-} { H To join the Happy Rhodes mailing list: H } { T ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu T } { R "We're waking up, yes it's good" R } {-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-} -- end re-post -- Thought, but wisely not said is....WHO GIVES A *F**K* HOW MUCH IT COSTS? IT'S ***HAPPY!!!!*** This is a "years from now, fans will say "I was there" kind of concert and look back in awe" concert. Pfft... Jes, btw, Jorn & I are thinking about going, but it's still very much up in the air. More in another post. ======================================================================== From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Hellos & whatnot.. Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 4:35:11 CST Vickie here. I've delayed sending the HGP tape to Happy until Monday (no, not to change anything) because I was still hoping from some sort of insert from Chris (the computer-graphics workstation cassette insert) to happen. The timing on his getting a machine to render on just hasn't worked out. Maybe next time. Sorry for those who were looking forward to it, or to those who wanted to make up thier own inserts. I've come up with something else, which you all who are getting copies will get too, so you'll see what I did. Oh, even though the Winter holidays are passed, this will still be a Holiday project...I'm sending a Valentine's Day card with the package..:-) Happy's copies will be wrapped in a fuzzy blue scarf, because I couldn't find any fuzzy blue paper, plus the scarf will be an extra Holiday present from Ectophiles. It's really neat and I think she'll like it. With Albany winters being the way they are, I'm sure she'll get good use out of it. The scarf only costs a few dollars, but it feels like casmere (sp?) and it's very soft and warm. I have one myself, which gave me the idea. In my letter to accompany the package, I didn't mention what the tapes were about. I just said "you'll hear the whole story after you've listened to it" and I'm also not sending the inserts (with everyone's name and their selection) along with the package. I'll send them along in a small envelope a few days after I mail the package, to make sure she doen's know what's on the tapes before she listens to them. I'm in major dubbing mode right now, and I'm about halfway finished with Ectophiles copies. They will (eeks, hopefully) all go out within this week. If you want copies and haven't sent the tapes or money to buy tapes yet please do that now. Bob Brown....!! Hi!!! Welcome to Ecto! I was shaking my head in awe as I was reading your introduction. I can't believe you heard my show, do you remember anything about it? I'd love to know which one it was. You should have called, definitely do the next time. Be sure to call our house, and come on over the next time you're in Chicago. Thank you for the compliment on my show. It's good to have you here! Re: the Philly show...Jorn and I have been toying with the idea of going to Philly, but it's very much up in the air, since finances are tight. Even if I don't go, I know that you'll all give wonderful reports, and I'm very much looking forward to them. I'm musing, even if I don't go, I'd still like to get a ticket as a collector's item. I'm thinking about that too, I'd frame it! I'm glad to hear that the seating is general admission. That's *perfect* for all the Ectophiles to be able to sit together. Front row seats! How truly wonderfulwonderfulwonderful!!! I've been to so many assigned seats concerts where the first few rows were reserved for "types" (record-com- pany types, record store types, radio station types...) and usually they are there for free and usually they're "too cool to clap" blah! blah! You Eastcoasters will all be sitting there together in the front and giving her all kinds of great support. It will be *very* strange for Happy. I'm sure she'll be nervous and shy. A strange, large, far-away from her hometown, place to play, and she'll have the advantage of a built-in cheering section. You're lucky, and Happy is lucky too. She'll know where you came from, who you are and she'll cherish your support, I can only guess how much. You Ectophiles will make that a concert she'll never forget. Give her a standing ovation for me, please. I'm *SO* excited!! I hope as many of you as humanly possible on the East Coast will make it there. I'm going to contact Angel and Mike, and they should be there too. (For newbies, Mike & Angel Weaver, big, non-net fans who just visited H&K last week. Mike writes novels, generally sf or fantasy genres. He's had 5 books published and is waiting for his 6th to be printed and sold. We've all been waiting to hear if, as per Mike's wishes, his publisher will agree to let Happy paint the cover of this next one. Talking about baited breath...). I will have to get them together with you all. So be sure to keep me informed about your pre &/or post-concert gatherings. I'll ask H&K if they would feel like meeting you all before or after the concert. Remember, she's very shy, so if she said no, it would be nothing personal and would have nothing to do with her appreciation of your support. She might want to concentrate on herself before the concert (which reminds me, I've never asked her if she suffers from stage fright) and then be too tired after the concert. But I will ask her if she'll think about it. I will also ask about the cameras and video. It *SHOULD* be recorded so I'm terrified that they'll say no. The venue should have their own policies, so Bob, please keep checking with them. H&K might say, "it depends on what the venue wants" and we'd need to know what the answer is. If the venue says "yes, if we have written permission from the band" we'll have to get that done, again, assuming that it's ok with H&K and you better *believe* that I'll bug them, and make our wishes known. :-) nicely, of course. Whew! I better go because I'm writing on-line and my luck I'll get knocked off again. Till soon.... Oh, woj (uh, I hope you didn't mind me using your Jeff-Can't-Believe-It name) Big Hat has a cassette called "Hat Head" and it's available from the band. If there's no address for the band in the CD (there should be though I haven't gotten mine yet) I'll hunt it up for you. I'll type in a track listing later. There are some same songs, but all were recorded again specifically for _Shimmer_. You'd be getting alternate, demo-almost versions of the songs. If you post a track listing for Shimmer first, I can tell you right away which songs. That's it, thanks everybody for everything, and have a wonderful eon. I'm in *SUCH* a great mood!! Vickie ======================================================================== From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: More User unknowns Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 6:19:02 CST One of the posts I just sent out (the Happy mentions in news.groups and gaffa) just came back to me, bounced back with "User unknown" messages from Cathy Guetzlaff, Courtney Dallas, Stephen Thomas and Terry Partis. How odd that so many bounced in such a way at once. Vickie ======================================================================== From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Oh Mitch.. Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 6:13:13 CST If my e-mail doesn't get through, I wanted to let Mitch know that there is a thread about Martin Denny in rec.music.folk. I was very suprised to see his name, and very pleased to have recognized the name from Mitch. Thanks to Mitch and Chip for their Ectoparty impressions. I really wasn't egging anyone on, but I suppose it sounded like a hint, when I said that no one had said anything about the party yet. I did wonder though, hoping that no one would think that the party was a disaster and everyone was too embarrassed to say anything :-) :-) Jeanne, thanks for Brian's address. I heard from him so I know he's still TumbleLettering. I hope he posts soon. Ecto needs his sig as much as it needs Klaus and Jessica's and Angelos and Greg and all the other cool sigs associated with Ectophiles. I should make a sig for myself one of these days, but I'm too lazy to use them. Greg, thanks for the translation! Ur, thanks for the proper spacings...! Doug, I hope you're all dug out or at least keeping snug and warm with that snow swirling around. You didn't get as much as Denver, you said, but you've still got 7 inches, and that's more than Chicago has had all winter. Take care, please, driving on the ice and snow. I too loved the song "One Night In Bangkok" and I have the video, but not the album of Chess. I don't know why I never picked it up, since I'm sure the music is good. I generally tend to get movie soundtracks of things I really like, such as Birdy and Bagdad Cafe, but the only stage soundtracks I have are _Jesus Christ Superstar_ and _Hair_. Vickie All for now, Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 09:34:43 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu Subject: ectomancy jeffe@lewhoosh.umd.edu sez: >Until I read Vickie's HGP listing, I had *no* idea his name was Rob. He >*can't* be a "Rob." He's a "woj." Simple as that. fine with me. with a last name like "woiccak" which is both unpronoucable when you try to read it and unspellable when you hear it pronounced, you expect someone to come up with a nickname. and sure enough, someone did. forgot who it was, but it was my frosh year of high school - he looked at my name and stammered out, "whu, why, whaaaaa...woj!" and it stuck. for about ten years now. even before the net, there were people who had known me for three years and never knew what my real name was. my parents have been called mr and mrs woj. it's kinda amusing actually... >(who needs to either send a check to philly or hop on the phone to a ticket- >master) likewise...800 seats, eh? hmmm...philly's only a two hours drive from me, so i should be there...good thing it's a saturday night though! by the way, ticketmaster uses a national network of sorts. so, people outside of the philadelphia area need not call the 215 number - just look in your local white pages for the ticketmaster in your area code and order that way. burns me up that they have a $3.00 service charge though...anyone in the philly area want to buy me two tickets at one of the stores there? :) MasterMind sez: >actually, i think that goes for most covers. i expect something *different* >to come out of them, otherwise, what's the purpose of doing a cover? just to take the side of the devil's advocate, a cover can also be a tribute, even if it is not diffrent. also, considering the sucess of numerous cover bar bands, many people do not want a different rendition of a cover song - they only want to hear the original. and since their fave artist is not around to do the original, a cover band will do, as long as it it close enough to the original. however, i will add that i agree with you: for me covers should be new inter- pretations, not repetitions of what has already been done (unless it is bauhaus covering bowie's "ziggy stardust", which is faithful to the original, but 1000x better). >the reggae of rm is akin to what poison and whitesnake did for heavy metal. alot of people have made this complaint (most notably, jon), but i fail to see why this is a valid criticism of the cover. why should KaTe have to break out the dreadlocks and the ganja to record a reggae-influenced version of "rocket man"? i feel that her cover is different enough and interesting enough as it is. there is and was no need to have Kate get the wailers to back her up on the recording of this song. hmmm...now there's an interesting thought: KaTe in dreadlocks. :) >as for chess, it's good to know that there is another fan out there. i find >that among broadway aficionados, there are more 'closet' chess fans than not. one of these days i shall have to beg, borrow or steal that recording. i keep meaning to, but something more immediate always catchs my ear... like right now: the _god in three persons_ soundtrack. and it is good. :) woj ======================================================================== From: Jeanne B Schreiter Subject: poem (fwd) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 9:48:03 CST Forwarded message: ======================================================================== From: Jeanne B Schreiter Subject: poem Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 9:47:31 CST Lollipop Garden 1-10-92 I planted lollipop sticks...once. Maybe a few times. I can't quite remember. White sworded prongs sticking into a magical green and brown Earth, the mulch feeding them rich food. My mother told me they would grow into lollipops if I planted, watered them, making sure all weeds were free of the garden. Sugary sweet red cherry, lemons that taste like the rainbow when it leaves your sense high on life, flavours that stcik to the tip of your tongue, long after the candy melts away. The day after I planted my sticks, I knew the roots had grown deeply, digging down filling the soil with blossoms. Soon they sprouted, tiny bushes of lollipops, with other wonderful candy shoots, I ate them slowly, savouring the tastes, breathing in their aroma. After a while I realized lollipops don't grow on bushes or dig their roots firmly into the soil, but mothers plant them. The delight I remember is nary faint, as when I have children, whenever that may be, they will be a fairy lollipop garden behind a fair oak tree. -JB Schreiter (translated from TA Johnson's childhood) -- ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 20:11 GMT From: Merow!! Kiri...that delicious cheese dip you provided wouldnt happen to be ROTEL now would it?? cuz if so.....i HATE you!!!!! Michael..you chose a WONDERFUL day to be born on!!! what year did you say??? more later...i am jealous of the concert...but hopefully i will be in AMsterdam or Brussls at that time consoling myself!!! merow! Court the Cat!! ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Concert talk Date: Sun, 12 Jan 92 16:36:26 EST Hi, It took a lot of thought before I decided to write this, but I felt that I should. I ALSO believe that $15.75 is expensive for a Happy concert. I am not saying that I am not going to pay this much to see Happy, heck I am willing to go to Philly walking if I have to, but it sure won;t attract the crowd that should go to a Happy concert, ie the non-believers, or people who are just curious. I saw Lou Reed at the Orpheum in Boston for $18.00 but I knew what to expect, and had no regrets. Now, consider Joe Average who has heard Feed the Fire on the radio, and has to chose between Happy and U2 for the same money. I would bet that he would go to U2... In a year where concert promoters lost millions, and even Guns'n'Roses did $12 shows, a virtually unknown artist asking for $15.75 in the DEBUT concert (ie no previous raving reviews to encourage people to pay the money), IMHO is OVER-OPTIMISTIC. The Psychedelic Furs played MIT with a ticket of $5.00 last year and they only drew 800 people. Don;t take this as an attack. But if the purpose of the tour is exposure, then overpriced tickets will only draw fans, and not the adventurous music-lover. If you also consider that probbably tapes will be sold at the concert (I hope to God thay have thought of this) then the situation worsens. Hoping to trigger a discussion and no flame-war, I remain in ecto. With parasites in my ears, Angelos "Corresponding disasters every night on the TV Sickening reality keeps gripping me in its guts" ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! 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