Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #998 ecto, Number 998 Thursday, 3 February 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Miscellany on the fly: the legend continues What is tribute? Bad Happy experience Re: Another 'Warpaint'... Re: WARNING new apostle: Janie Mitchell UTP, FTE, and TRS Re: Joining up Re: Rocket Man Redux Re: HV (warning: tedious post :) Nettwerk Garage Sale (fwd) Nothing much. Re: Tip the Messenger ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 16:25:32 CST From: Subject: Miscellany on the fly: the legend continues After the first lunar landing in 1969, Volkswagen ran an ad in U.S. publica- tions, at least, that consisted solely of a picture of the lunar lander, with the caption "It's not pretty, but it gets you there." (There was also a VW logo at the bottom, but that's neither here nor there.) I cite this bit of history WRT Uli's latest grumbling about the alleged effect of the handle field in one of my earlier postings. Maybe splitting the business end of my address over two lines does make it less esthetic, but it obviously reached Uli all the same, without bouncing. Which also reminds me of Shel Silverstein' s song about Old 49, "The fastest engine/On the Santa Fe line/On the 14th of April/She made a desperate dash/And she got there on time/And she did not crash." :-) Troy shadbolts, wrt my call for a Happyy machine on the net: >ahem, but I want to know what the Klaus "inphobos" and my "ecto" are? >gorgonzola? Some people deal with the volume of traffic on this list by unsubscribing; others, by reading selectively; I do apparently do it by forgetting little things like that. (I've lately had to supplement this with the additional gambit of giving short shrift to all my lists except ecto, but that's neither here nor there :-). ) He then dubs himself: >troy-inaparticularlygrouchymoodbecausethenewalisonmoyetalbumlookslikeitisbeing >pushedbackwellintojulynow. Interestingly, a campus newspaper supplemement distributed locally just gave that album a favorable review. The following excerpt from a post to folk_music (miraculously, I got the chance today to skim the other lists a bit) may interest fans of the Story: > Great News Item #2: Barbara [Kessler] and Jonatha Brooke sing backup on > Vance Gilbert's > new CD, produced by Jonatha's jazz pianist/producer husband Alain Mallet. > Hopefully some of you can enlighten me about whether this is a CD that is > already available, or when it will be released, and on what label. I know > of Gilbert's music from my days as a student in Cambridge, MA in 1980-84, > when he and Greg Greenway were favorites at The Nameless Coffehouse in > Harvard Square. Anyone know if The Nameless still exists? Mitch ------------------------------- "CAUTION--DRY PAINT" --seen on a bulletin board in a nearby building where walls are being painted ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 17:04:46 CST From: Subject: What is tribute? As I write this, the door of Rose Records downtown has _Under the Pink_ listed prominently among the new releases in the sign on the front door (at least they do under the name NEW--TORI AMOS). On the other hand, they have an array of various CD's in the window, and UTP is not one of them. I have no idea which form of exposure they consider to be the higher form of tribute. On the other hand, they've already given it more play than has Coconuts a few doors down, which doesn't even have it in the front rack. Go figure :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 17:46:39 -0600 From: vnozick@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Valerie Nozick) Subject: Bad Happy experience I had the worst Happy conversion moment today. Two days ago I made a mix of some Kate b-sides for a friend, and included some Happy songs. *sigh* He came back to me today and thoroughly trashed Happy's music. It made me very depressed. At least I have Tori's new album to cheer me up. *sigh* ============================================================================== Valerie Nozick vnozick@merle.acns.nwu.edu "Basically we're really a bunch of rock 'n' roll cliches who just wanna get drunk and have a good time." -- John Taylor of Duran Duran (don't you just love when the old quotes come back to haunt you?) "Just being alive, it can really hurt. And these moments given are a gift from time." -- Kate Bush ============================================================================ == ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 19:15:22 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Another 'Warpaint'... Ken writes: > There's a country artist by the name of Lori (sp?) Morgan whose new > album is called 'Warpaint' Ha! Thanks for posting, I'll have to tell Happy :) > (I saw this on TNN (The Nashville Network) while flipping thru > the channels). Oh good, at least there won't be much crossover wrt buyers. I don't have any of her albums, but I'm pretty sure it's Lorrie Morgan. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 19:21:21 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: WARNING new apostle: Janie Mitchell Neile passes along: > Michael one of my favourite people on this planet G Peskura mentioned: Seconded! > > Neile provided me some Janie Mitchell which most recently pegged the > > old TIU [turn it up] meter. > > What she's like: Well, the names that come to my mind in various songs > (one name per song, though) are Bel Canto, Mari Boine [Persen] and > Rainbirds. Yow! This is good enough for me :) Lots'o'good stuff about Janie deleted. Thanks Mike and Neile, for adding a name to our EctoVocabulary! Vickie ======================================================================== From: Tree of Schnopia Subject: UTP, FTE, and TRS Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:39:14 -0500 (EST) Dear Ectophiles, I haven't been around for a while...lurking, and trying to read the material for four English courses (in late Brit Lit, American Lit, Arthurian Tradition, and Alien Sex) has kept me beyond busy, to say the least. Still, now that I have a spare few moments, and all three of the albums I've waited years for, I felt the need to make a remark or two. Okay. The Red Shoes came first, after a much longer wait. Weirdsville. Heady. Nightwatery. Like the headlights shining just for you on a slick, busy city street...like the steam from the jacuzzi you and your lover inhabit, surrounded by candles...like a powerful, benevolent deity setting fire to your soul...like that last song you and your friends must bound exuberantly 'round the room to before the party ends. As Kate goes, not so much a step forward as a pause to reflect wearing psychedelic rainbow glasses. The album, dedicated to a memory, contains a lot more life than death, in a sweet, well-adjusted sort of way. Very Schnopic. Now. Fumbling Towards Ecstasy. In my initial opinion, this album was The One. I loved Touch and Solace, but felt that each lacked a certain something the other had. FTE almost made that for me. It didn't *quite* happen, however...I *adore* "Mary", and I like "Possession", "Good Enough", "Ice Cream", and "Elsewhere" a lot. A definite step forward, FTE lacks the lightweight feel and airy-fairy lyrics of Touch (and avoids some of the earlier album's vaguely irritating melodies), and it also has more cheer and lushness than the stark Solace. But the songs that aren't wonderful are weak, and Sarah needs consistency of quality to hold one's attention. I love her anyway, and can't wait to see her here in April. By the way, the cover sucks; she's a beautiful, beautiful woman, and that photo doesn't do her justice. So. Under the Pink. I'd heard all the songs before buying the album, so nothing surprised me when I got the CD on Tuesday. I was a bit worried when I first heard it; by the second or third listen, I was In Love All Over Again. I've mentioned before around these parts that out of my five intimates (that is, artists that always fit my mood and stay in my CD player longer than anyone else)--Kate, Tori, Sarah, Concrete Blonde, and Dead Can Dance--I feel closer to Tori's music somehow than anyone else. This has been attributed to my age, but it's difficult to deny that Tori has style up the wazoo, and her content is damned strong as well. I mean, I wouldn't publish anyone else's lyrics as poetry more readily. Also, while being in ecstasies over LE, I was simultaneously feeling a bit o' White Male Guilt, and that never touched me here. In fact, the characteristic fancy of lyrics (see quote below)--dead serious in most cases, but fancy nonetheless--finds enormous harmony with my own aesthetic. Oh. You want to know what I think of the album. Okay. I don't think "Cornflake Girl" is all that wonderful (for Tori, that is). I love all the rest. Favorites fluctuate, but I consistently Torigasm over "Yes Anastasia", a nine minute thirty-three second slice of genius. I mean, I could list other favorites, but it's easier for you all just to consult the track list. Do I have criticisms? Well, the cover art bugs me...again, not that I demand attractiveness from my musical lovehearts, but Tori's a stunningly beautiful woman, and she managed to all but conceal that fact with both front and back photos (although the photos themselves are great, if a bit uninteresting). The type is slightly classical, and the grey-white color scheme manages to be also, and this is on the one hand wise--it would be difficult indeed to do the songs justice with *any* design--and on the other rather dissatisfying. Still, I'm a red/green/blue person with a black base and Tori's a neutral-color type, it seems. That would be another criticism of mine, which is as petty and personal as can be, and that's the one thing that sets FTE and TRS on the same plane with something like UTP at all: Tori's music is not quite as organic-sounding as would be thoroughly Schnopic. It's the piano, which is kind of a cold instrument except in certain instances, and although Tori's voice is cosmic, it's not quite warm, very often. It's like this: planets and stars and moons. They're terrific, they're sublime, they're Schnopically gorgeous, but there's little to compare to the lush green of a forest after a rainstorm, and my ideal musician would incorporate at least some of that. Still, she comes *damned* close, and the inside of the booklet is amazing, so why waste emotion on criticisms? I place this album above FTE and TRS, unquestionably; it's uniformly excellent, and as long as she can keep up even a shadow of this level of achievement, I'll be buying her work for years to come. Whew. Sorry to take up so much bandwidth, but a half hour to spare and a lot to say are tough things to keep under wraps. Get these albums, my little loves. Eat the music. It's delicious, nutritious, filling, and it might just save your souls. Love, Drewcifer -- ---- Andrew D. Simchik, as010b@uhura.cc.rochester.edu, Tree of Schnopia \ ---- ****************************************************************** \\bi/ *********************** a.k.a. Drewcifer ************************* \/ ****************************************************************** SCHNOPIA embodies nature, tranquillity, and truth. Tree, take root, So. -------------------------------QUOTES BEGIN HERE-------------------------- "Master Shamen, I have come with my dolly from the shadow side with a demon and an Englishman"--Tori Amos, "Sister Janet" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 19:42:52 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Joining up Lisa joins the fun! > Dear EctoHead, aka Anthony Horan :-) > Wonderful Channel! Verry friendly and warm! > I'd like to join the mailing list, if I may. IRC channel #ecto captures another nice person! It is such a fun channel, and a wonderful way to spread the word about Happy and Ecto. > I want you to know that this is the first channel I've found on > the net that I really, genuinely like! We like you too! (and Angela...say hi!) Welcome to Ecto, Lisa Vickie (I'll send a FAQ to you) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 19:49:23 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Rocket Man Redux Michael writes: > On board the space shuttle Discovery today is Sergei Krikalev, the > Russian cosmonaut who found himself momentarily forgotten in space > aboard the Mir space station while the Soviet Union collapsed on > earth. > > Whew, ... you would think he'd had enough! :-) :-) Thanks for this! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 19:53:23 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (world serve your own needs) Subject: Re: HV (warning: tedious post :) ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) sez: >What's a spinoff then? There were 4 members in DCD when they came out with >the first album. Two of them left to form Heavenly Bodies. I'd call that a >spinoff. Just like the Mission is a Sisters of Mercy spinoff. my understanding is that they did not leave dcd with the *intent* to form heavenly bodies. if they had, i'd consider them a spinoff. from what i've heard, heavenly bodies just sorta happened after the fact and was not the impetus for their leave-taking (and i might be wrong on that account - as usual, i'm just going on vague memories). >They sound more like mid 80s Cocteau Twins to me anyway... In fact, I >think Heavenly Bodies has the distinction of being the original Cocteau >Twins sound-alike, wouldn't you agree? yup, to a degree. they certainly have the distinction of being one of the first bands to have a song remixed by robin guthrie. pedantically yours, +woj ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Nettwerk Garage Sale (fwd) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 17:11:06 -0800 (PST) Michael Peskura thoughtfully forwarded this note to me: > Saturday, Feb 26, noon to 5pm > > Location: 1250 West 6th Avenue (next to Mushroom Studios) in Vancouver > > "CDs, vinyl shirts, posters, videos, rare stuff, postcards & more" For those not in the know, Nettwerk is Sarah McLachlan's record label. Anyone desperately want anything that might be had at such a sale? If so I could probably swing by and have a look. I'm still trying to figure out what a vinyl shirt is like. :) Probably very uncomfortable in hot weather. - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Nothing much. Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 17:21:19 -0800 (PST) Well, as the sun casts a pink-orange glow to the snowcapped mountains to the north, I settle down to writing a brief rambly post to ecto. Today was convocation or some such occasion on campus today. And, as per tradition, the university hired a couple of bagpipers to perform. It's this thing - the university is named after an obscure Scottish explorer, and English Canada has always been a rather Anglo Presbyterian kind of place (heck, I live in *British* Columbia!) and so they have pipers. It's kind of strange, though... bagpipes have this mysterious sound that's hard to locate... the sound drifts in and out and you can't pinpoint where on earth it's coming from, this mournful high-pitched wailing. And for some reason I think of some archetypical elderly Scot lying on his deathbed, tilting his head painfully towards the silence and saying "arrrghhhh.. can ye hear the pipes?" in his final dying delusionary moment... Don't know why. :) Also, on a completely unrelated topic, I got Margot Smith in the mail. :) Well, a CD of Margot Smith, not Margot Smith herself. Thanks, Anthony! I rather like the record! I haven't heard it since I was at Holly's over the hollydays. - Neil K. (ach, aye, it's the pipes I hear!) -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 20:09:26 -0600 From: vnozick@merle.acns.nwu.edu (Valerie Nozick) Subject: Re: Tip the Messenger Mike Mendelson said: > Or maybe I'm just an excitable boy. Gee...after that post the other day (which had me writhing, I must admit), that's a hard call. :-) ============================================================================== Valerie Nozick vnozick@merle.acns.nwu.edu "Basically we're really a bunch of rock 'n' roll cliches who just wanna get drunk and have a good time." -- John Taylor of Duran Duran (don't you just love when the old quotes come back to haunt you?) "Just being alive, it can really hurt. And these moments given are a gift from time." -- Kate Bush ============================================================================ == ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)