Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1018 ecto, Number 1018 Saturday, 19 February 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* toy matinee, tony banks, ect. ect. Re: "Shunned" artists? additions to archives another addition to the archives "Cornflake Girl": whatsitmean? Chat with Sarah... Re: latest ectofile bighat tour dates Re: Cowboy Junkies Yours (Truly) in Phobos Re: Yours (Truly) in Phobos: THE SCREAM help! Jane Siberry and Victoria Williams More Melissa Ferrick Raves! Gov't into Email ======================================================================== From: sam@swanson.com (Sam Murgie) Subject: toy matinee, tony banks, ect. ect. Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 10:33:54 EST several people here (and from rdt and love-hounds) have turned me onto some exceptional music, e.g.: Happy Rhodes - Equipoise - superb! Sarah McLaughlin- Solace - excellent, except for the nauseating blast from the past _Wear Your Love Like Heaven_ Jane Siberry - When I was a - ok, haven't listened to it Boy much yet anyway, i am searching for Happy's Ecto and Equipoise and Sarah's FtE. i thought i would return the favor a bit. the self-title debut disk by a two man band Toy Matinee is superb, and i highly recommend it. i know that it is a least 2 years old now, but suspect most of you have not heard it except for the moderately played _Last Plane Out_. I think it would definitely be ectofair, if not for the male vocals. check it out! anybody out there know if a new album from Toy Matinee is imminent??? you all might want to check out Tony Banks's solo albums also. they are available in the bargain bins around here for $3.99!?! i think that they are good albums, not great ones. but each album has at least a few excellent songs IMHO. his last solo album has songs sung by Fish, along with an great female vocalist and another male. the Fish and female vocalist songs tend to be the best songs. his (now old) _Soundtracks_ album also contains one song sung by Fish, but the best song on the album (and IMO the best song by anyone in many years) is _Lion of Symmetry_ , cowritten and sung by Toyah Wilcox. speaking of toyah, supposedly she has a new album out. anyone seen or heard it? why can't i find FtE? -- *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* | Sam Murgie | "Confusion will be my epitaph..." | | smurgie@swanson.com | (Pete Sinfield) | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------* ======================================================================== Subject: Re: "Shunned" artists? Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 14:24:36 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Dave Vinson writes: >There are at least three wonderful artists who I have thus far been surprised >not to see mentioned on ectoposts (admittedly I'm still a newbie); Shawn >Colvin, Rosanne Cash, and especially Sam Phillips. Change that to "especially Shawn Colvin" and we'll consider... >What am I missing? Oh, close to three years of Ecto digests. Honestly, you don't expect us to mention every single cool female singer every week, do you? Jeff (Amongst the first people to ever post to r.m.g about Shawn Colvin, back in '89) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 15:32:11 EST From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: additions to archives Long time ago, Klaus sent me some adidtions for the archives :) Here they are, finally added: /pub/hr/newsletters/* -------------------------------------------------------- Number.1.Feb.92 - Newsletter #1, February 92 Number.2.Apr.92 - Newsletter #2, April 92 Number.3.Jun.92 - Newsletter #3, June 92 Number.4.Aug.93 - Newsletter #4, August 93 /pub/hr/misc/* --------------------------------------------------------- hrhodes.discog - Version 1.1a of the Happy Rhodes discography /pub/hr/reviews/* --------------------------------------------------------- Billboard.Sep.19.92 - Concert announcement Billboard.Apr.3.93 - Review of Runners Billboard.May.1.93 - Review of Equipoise Heartbeats.fall.winter.93 - Review of RhodeSongs /pub/hr/ectophiles/* ------------------------------------------------------- EurEcto.Mar.28.92.jpeg - 1st European Ecto Party EurEcto.Nov.13.93.jpeg - 2nd European Ecto Party /pub/hr/gifs/* ------------------------------------------------------------- HR5/ HR5.jpeg - Cover of the HR^5 promotional CD Misc/ SmallPromoCard.jpeg - Picture from small promo card (greyscale 513x634) The people in the EurEcto pictures are: Ectophiles on EurEcto pictures: (L-R) EurEcto 1 Albert Philipsen Klaus Kluge Claudia Spix Chip Lueck Michelle Luech Courtney Dallas EurEcto 2 Frank Simon Ilka Heber Uli Grepel Claudia Spix Wolfgang Drotschmann Klaus Kluge Tim Cook Chris Boek Perttu Yli-Krekola This information is also in a file in the archives, /pub/hr/ectophiles/EurEcto.dsc --jessica ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 15:39:41 EST From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: another addition to the archives Mitch has also provided his collection of ectophile-imagined ecto-products. This file is full of past messages which are certain to at the very least amuse you, and possibly amaze you :) It can be found in hardees.rutgers.edu:~ftp/pub/hr/misc/EctoProducts.Z jessica ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 18:26:52 -0500 (EST) From: consid Subject: "Cornflake Girl": whatsitmean? For those of you who only read ecto and not RDT (yeah, yeah, I can't blame you!) -- I posted excerpts from a transcript of an interview Tori did with the Baltimore Sun, in which she explained what each of the songs on "Under the Pink" mean. Since CG had been wondered about here on ecto, I thought I'd share that part of the transcript with you all; apologies to those of you who are seeing this for a second time. If you would like the whole (long but very interesting) thing covering all 12 songs, e-mail me and I'll send it right out to you. --Sue Trowbridge ---------------- TORI: You've got to work on this record. This is not as petal- opening as the last record. This record is, OK, you've got to go in your own being to get this record. 'Cause I'm real clear what this is. I don't have to spell things out this time. It wasn't conscious or unconscious; it's just people that I think are into what I'm doing are ready to take that step. So "Cornflake," "Bells" and "Waitress" are a triangle together. Part of this record is dealing with the betrayal of women, between women. These three, "Cornflake" is, I've been reading "Possessing the Secret of Joy" by Alice Walker. I don't know if you read that. It went in depth of just women betraying women, and how the mothers really sold the daughters to the butchers, and had their genitalia removed, et cetera. A lot of memory came to me. Just social memory, not necessarily personal memory -- collective memory of how women have turned on each other. And the concept of a sisterhood is not real. I think that hurts me more than most concepts, because the idea that -- we've been, women have had obviously very little say in their lives, and it's been a difficult road. See, I believe in past lives, so I've been a man making it hard on women also. Just if we look at it from objective viewpoints, just the history of woman has been very lonely, and when you think that we should support each other, understand each other, that makes sense to me. You would think. SUN: One thing being oppressed teaches you is how to oppress others. TORI: Yes. It's been -- again, it's the victims become the abusers, it's that whole -- which is explored in "Waitress," too, where I become the one who wants to slice this person's head off. But the thing is, it's been, it's so disappointing for me when I feel betrayed by another woman. So "Cornflake Girl" is that disappointment. "This is not really happening, you bet your life it is. Never was a cornflake girl, thought that was a good solution." Cornflake being white bread, closed. "Hanging with the raisin girls," you know, whole wheat, multicultural, open, a little more going on. "She's gone to the other side, giving us the yo heave ho. Things are getting kind of gross." I think that's clear. "And I go at sleepytime, this is not really happening. You bet your life it is." The second verse, it just supports that whole thing. "Rabbit, where'd you put the keys, girl?" Rabbit, in certain Indian traditions, it represents fear. "Rabbit, where'd you put the keys, girl? And the man with the golden gun thinks he knows so much." Well, those are my God references again. SUN: There seems to be a small but growing movement of young women who realize that the trouble with feminism was that it was articulated as politics, and it's not about politics. It's about being feminine, and all that being feminine entails. Some of the stuff that you've dealt with is very much of the same cloth that [singer] Liz Phair and [comic book artist] Julie Doucet deal with ... but their most vituperative critics tend to be women. TORI: I know. That's "Cornflake Girl" right there. It's that incredible -- "All the sweeteaze are gone, gone to the other side, with my encyclopedia. They musta paid her a nice price. She's putting on her string bean love." Anorexic. They just put it on. If you go to their side and take up their cause, then you're a strong, independent woman. Well, you know, I'm so tired of strong, independent woman equals. And there's a list. Instead of -- well, hang on a minute, the most interesting word here is vulnerability, that's getting left out, because it's associated with weakness. You don't dress a certain way to be a strong independent woman. It's fascist, and it's the same -- they're no different. They're just the other extreme. I don't feel a part of any kind of sisterhood. Again, it's the most disappointing thing, where I get criticized by women more than men on how I play the piano. They find it offensive. They find it offensive. I'm just going, well, this is how I choose to express myself, so if you're truly a strong, independent woman, then how could you possibly find me being a strong, independent woman offensive? SUN: If you're playing the game, which they are, it threatens you to discover there are people who realize you don't have to play the game. TORI: That's the core issue. It's just another set of rules. They're no different than the men that enslave the women in the first place. They're enslaving women. That's this triangle of women enslaving women. If we sit down, to have a cereal is no coincidence, because cereal is a very interesting word to me. To go to breakfast and to go to grains, all those things, and to segregate me as a cereal, especially since I did do a cornflake commercial, and since I do call the song "Cornflake Girl," and I say "Never was a cornflake girl," there's a real rub there. Because in honesty, I used to say, "I'm not violent, I'm a peacemaker." And here I am in "The Waitress" with no problems ready to rip her head off. SUN: That was the best part of the song. "I believe in peace, bitch." TORI: Yes. Well, I think that if -- it's funny, I kind of find it all pretty clear. I can see how "Space Dog" is tricky, and I'll come through with that one. But "Space Dog"'s a mushroom trip anyway. It is supposed to be kind of-- SUN: I thought it was a "Ren and Stimpy" episode. TORI: Ha, ha! Well, fine. Same thing. But the thing is, with a lot of the language, it's not like ahead thought out, but it's kind of like a camera, again, where I'm filming myself in these experiences. And the best way I can describe things sometimes is like how I'm tasting. With tangible things. Not just to say, "These girls betrayed me, and I really feel bad now." * * * * * * * * * * consid@access.digex.net * * * * * * * * * * Someday, somewhere along the great information superhighway, I'll be pulled over for a speeding ticket. * * * * * * * * * * * --David Letterman * * * * * * * * * * * * ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 21:20:53 -0500 (EST) From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: Chat with Sarah... Hello Ecto! This may have already been posted here, as I saw it in Gaffa this morning, but it's important enough to give it a shot. Sarah McLaughlin will be manning the chat lines on the NETTWORK BBS this Saturday afternoon. Each caller will have ten minutes on the system. Sarah will be on at 5 pm PST (2 pm EST). Call (604)731-7007 or (800)668-1321. If someone else has posted this already, sorry. I d/l my mail and while I'm on, I might as well send this out. Now off to read, and thus to discover if anyone else has posted this. I guess that song I heard on WXPN was "Hold On". Great stuff! Thanks for the bandwidth! Bob the all-powerfool ======================================================================== From: jzitt@llnj.ll.pbs.org (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: latest ectofile Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 21:30:37 -0500 (EST) Well, here's my info as it now stands. Joe Zitt Email: jzitt@llnj.ll.pbs.org Address: Somewhere in New Jersey Phone: Ditto Birthday:September 20, 1958 Passions: Music (John Cage, Kate, Happy, Jane, Miles Davis, Eno, myself) The Net, writing, performance, programming, Indian food, talking, Austin TX, etc. I'm not being too obnoxious, I hope, by not giving address and phone. Right now, I don't really feel like I live anywhere definable... BTW, woj, did you know of the Robert Wilson play "The King of Spain"? -- Joseph Zitt jzitt@llnj.ll.pns.org Verona, NJ (for a while) "I have nothing to say and I am saying it and | This space intentionally that is poetry as I need it" -- John Cage | left non-blank.......... ======================================================================== From: ezust@marge.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 22:25:24 -0500 Subject: bighat tour dates Just got bighat tour dates from Preston today.. February 19 Chicago Metro 25 Lexington, KY Lynaghs March 11 St Louis Missouri The otherworld 12 Louisville KY The Toy Tiger 13 " Private Party 16 Cedar Falls Iowa steb's 17 Lacrosse WI The ROgue 19 Madison WI UW Madison 25 Champaign IL Blind Pig 26 Dekalb, IL OTTO's April 6 Carbondale, IL Hangar Nine 7 Columbia Missouri Blue Note 8 Kansas City Missouri Rhumba Box 9 Lawrence Kansas Jazzhaus -- | Alan Ezust ezust@cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| "Recursion is a lot like recursion, only a little simpler." ======================================================================== From: jzitt@llnj.ll.pbs.org (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Cowboy Junkies Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 22:36:46 -0500 (EST) > This sounds like law suit material to me, although the Junkies made no > comments in that direction in the short article. Not too long ago the > same thing happened to Tom Waits (I think it was Frito-Lay that he turned > down and then was copied by) and he won a lawsuit. From what little I know, the suit would be iffy. I seem to remember that an arrangement of a tune is not copyrightable, so if they were doing exactly the Junkie's version of the standard "Blue Moon", they wouldn't make it on that level. (This I recall from an instance where somebody got away with copping ELP's arrangement of Copland's "Fanfare for the Common Man.") In the Waits case, I think the issue was that Waits has an immediately recognisable voice, and that people might be fooled into thinking Waits was endorsing the product. The Junkies-like sound used on this commercial isn't quite that distinctive; I thought the music pleasant, but was more reminded of Chris Isaak or Angelo Badalamenti. But I'm not a lawyer; I only play one on the xylophone. -- Joseph Zitt jzitt@llnj.ll.pns.org Verona, NJ (for a while) "I have nothing to say and I am saying it and | This space intentionally that is poetry as I need it" -- John Cage | left non-blank.......... ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 14:24:36 -0500 (EST) From: susskind@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us (Mark Susskind) Subject: Yours (Truly) in Phobos Summary: I find myself in Phobos. I am there. Whew! do I feel tired. Perhaps it's because I have a full time job and I take six credits worth of courses (business) at night each week. Perhaps it's because I gotta shove myself through snow piles and hop over wide, deep puddles (such is life lately in New York City). Perhaps -- oh well. In reading the ecto digests, I often see complaints that one song/album or another is 'overproduced'. What exactly does that mean? If it means that there are many layers of orchestration (instrumentation), I am not always offended. I often like the extra accompaniment. As long as I can still listen to the melody, it's all fine with me. The one portrait that seems to most symbolize Happy's lyrics, _The Scream_, was stolen from a museum last week. I haven't heard or read if it had been recovered yet. Since I started buying CDs (December 1989), I am rapidly approaching 450 units. I can't do them justice in listening to them due to time problems. Dan Janssen finally won a gold medal. Now, if the Buffalo Bills can finally go all the way, baby! I am not a fan of them, or USAn football for that matter, but my psychical support goes out to them. I hope that I can count on your vote for a happy Presidents' Day, oh USAn ectophiles. UnUSAn ectophiles, just have (or 'hope you had') a great weekend. Yours, in Phobos, Mark Susskind P.S.: Happy HUGS! ---- Mark Susskind susskind@bsbbs.columbus.oh.us The Big Sky BBS (+1 614 864 1198) ======================================================================== From: Jeremy Corry Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 02:34:10 -0500 Subject: Re: Yours (Truly) in Phobos: THE SCREAM Mark Susskind wrote: > The one portrait that seems to most symbolize Happy's lyrics, _The Scream_, > was stolen from a museum last week. I haven't heard or read if it had been > recovered yet. > I heard on CNN Headline News yesterday or the day before that an Anti- Abortion group had claimed responsibility for the theft. They apparently have demanded that Norwegian TV show the film "The Silent Scream," as ransom for the return of the painting. The film is, of course, a radical anti-abortion propaganda piece. If anyone has further information, followup, or corrections, please let me know, I am very interested in this. My chance to editorialize: It is unexcusable to steal, murder or destroy in the name of any political cause, even if it is one I believe in! This is disgusting. Jeremy (who is pro-choice with qualifications) -- "the devil wants to fuck me in the back of his car . nothing quite like the feel of something new" --Trent Reznor ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:22:53 -0800 (PST) From: SUZANNE S WEISS Subject: help! greetings everyone.... sniff, sniff... seems I can't access IRC w/ my old numbers... sniff, sniff, waaaaaaaaa!!!!!! = ' ( can anyone help me w/ new telnet locations? I was using 134.214.96.46 and 166.93.11.2 but they either don't work or they've changed their logins. sniff, sniff.... anyone out there that can help me??? ::hugs:: to all... peace... suzanne dreaming@nevada.edu ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 12:18:50 CST From: johnh@astro.as.utexas.edu (John Higdon) Subject: Jane Siberry and Victoria Williams I tried to post this a couple days ago (Wednesday?), but it has just been bounced by the Postmaster, so with the assumption that it didn't get on the list, I will try again. ____________________________________________________________________________ Monday, I went out to one of the local music stores, in my continuing hope of finding Cornflake #2. No luck there, so I perused some of the other artist sections of interest. I came across...The Walking! In my time on Gaffa and the lists, it has been a constant that the favorite Jane Siberry album is this album. At an import price of $17-$18 (actually, not bad compared to some imports) and probably with a very low appearance rate in Austin, The Walking came into my possession. I love it already! Some more than others, of course, but overall it is a winner. The only songs I cannot really get into are Lena Is a White Table and Ingrid and the Footman. All the rest, outstanding. I especially love the Maid's part on Bird in the Gravel. If anyone has information on interpretation of some of these songs, or indeed, can point me in the direction of a heretofore unknown FTP site with maybe a FAQ, I would be most appreciative. And today, I happened into Tower. It seems that the rumours of a reissue of Victoria Williams' Swing the Statue have proven true. I saw several of these, where previously there were none. The copyright date on mine is 1994. John H (Itchin' to accumulate mass quantities of music. What's next?!) ======================================================================== Subject: More Melissa Ferrick Raves! Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:53:08 -0800 (PST) From: Laane@cs.stanford.edu (Lisa "Happy Cat" Laane) I have to add an enthusiastic thumbs up for Melissa Ferrick. After having heard good things about her here, I went with a couple of friends (including Ethan who is also on Ecto) to her concert here at Stanford. All three of us were absolutely loved the show, and personally it was one of the most striking first impressions anyone has made on me for quite some time. Needless to say, we took the opportunity to talk with her for a bit after the show, and she's also one of the nicest and approachable people I've met! Struck by inspiration, we rushed out to buy her cd in hopes that she'd sign them for us before she left. Sadly, although we had raced to both Tower and another local store that were supposed to carry her cd, we only found one copy. Happily, we did make it back before she left, and she was pretty amused to hear about our attempts. We also got some nifty, signed postcards of her video (which she mentioned gets played in Germany) as consolation prizes. :) Ethan and I also reiterated D^2's comments about the Internet, and she seemed pretty excited by the whole idea, so who knows, maybe we *will* hear from her here sometime soon. :) Other than that, I will refrain from writing a review of the show (since I know Ethan plans to do so and is much more likely to do it justice :). But for any of you in the SF Bay Area, don't forget that she's playing at the Paradise Lounge (for free, she said) Sunday night! I'm going to make an attempt to make my way over there again, and I'd highly recommend the show to any Ectophile! For the rest of y'all, check out her album _Massive Blur_! ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 11:37:25 CST From: Michael Bramlett Subject: Gov't into Email I am forwarding this as requested..dangerous stuff this!! ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- IMPORTANT: Please read this if you are concerned about invasion of privacy. ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- ---------------------- Information from the mail header ----------------------- Sender: Archives & Archivists Poster: John Magee Subject: Gov't into Email ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I was sent this from another list and am forwarding to this one. It concerns government having back door acess to all electronic communications media. >This message is about Clipper, a proposal which would allow the government >to peek at our ***PRIVATE*** email. Please read it, and if you are as >opposed to Clipper as I am, please sign the electronic petition and help >stop this thing. > >please forward this to everyone you know... this is important! > >For those of you who don't know, Clipper is a proposal circulating in the >government right now whereby the government will require that all methods of >encrypting data (including e-mail) have a 'backdoor' of sorts so that the >government will be able to decrypt and read the data. As you may have >guessed, this is an infringement on your right to privacy. > >Below are details on a petition against Clipper, and how to sign your name >to it. Please read. > >>------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Electronic Petition to Oppose Clipper >> Please Distribute Widely >> >>On January 24, many of the nation's leading experts in cryptography >>and computer security wrote President Clinton and asked him to >>withdraw the Clipper proposal. >> >>The public response to the letter has been extremely favorable, >>including coverage in the New York Times and numerous computer and >>security trade magazines. >> >>Many people have expressed interest in adding their names to the >>letter. In response to these requests, CPSR is organizing an >>Internet petition drive to oppose the Clipper proposal. We will >>deliver the signed petition to the White House, complete with the >>names of all the people who oppose Clipper. >> >>To sign on to the letter, send a message to: >> >> Clipper.petition@cpsr.org >> >>with the message "I oppose Clipper" (no quotes) >> >>You will receive a return message confirming your vote. >> >>Please distribute this announcement so that others may also express >>their opposition to the Clipper proposal. >> >>CPSR is a membership-based public interest organization. For >>membership information, please email cpsr@cpsr.org. For more >>information about Clipper, please consult the CPSR Internet Library - >>FTP/WAIS/Gopher CPSR.ORG /cpsr/privacy/crypto/clipper >> >>===================================================================== >> >>The President >>The White House >>Washington, DC 20500 >> >>Dear Mr. President: >> >> We are writing to you regarding the "Clipper" escrowed encryption >>proposal now under consideration by the White House. We wish to >>express our concern about this plan and similar technical standards >>that may be proposed for the nation's communications infrastructure. >> >> The current proposal was developed in secret by federal agencies >>primarily concerned about electronic surveillance, not privacy >>protection. Critical aspects of the plan remain classified and thus >>beyond public review. >> >> The private sector and the public have expressed nearly unanimous >>opposition to Clipper. In the formal request for comments conducted >>by the Department of Commerce last year, less than a handful of >>respondents supported the plan. Several hundred opposed it. >> >> If the plan goes forward, commercial firms that hope to develop >>new products will face extensive government obstacles. Cryptographers >>who wish to develop new privacy enhancing technologies will be >>discouraged. Citizens who anticipate that the progress of technology >>will enhance personal privacy will find their expectations >>unfulfilled. >> >> Some have proposed that Clipper be adopted on a voluntary basis >>and suggest that other technical approaches will remain viable. The >>government, however, exerts enormous influence in the marketplace, and >>the likelihood that competing standards would survive is small. Few >>in the user community believe that the proposal would be truly >>voluntary. >> >> The Clipper proposal should not be adopted. We believe that if >>this proposal and the associated standards go forward, even on a >>voluntary basis, privacy protection will be diminished, innovation >>will be slowed, government accountability will be lessened, and the >>openness necessary to ensure the successful development of the >>nation's communications infrastructure will be threatened. >> >> We respectfully ask the White House to withdraw the Clipper >>proposal. >[end forwarded message] VERY IMPORTANT! READ AND FORWARD!!!! ga ------------------------------ End of SSSSTALK Digest - 12 Feb 1994 to 15 Feb 1994 *************************************************** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)