Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1000 ecto, Number 1000 Friday, 4 February 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* CROKINOLE!!! (full of moxy) Domino, II, Vic on Dave bottom line: I'm MOVING! Re: Thanks Dan! HELP - looking for female songwriters in Midwest Happy 1000th! Re: Talked to Kevin... Re: VANCE GILBERT!!!! YAY!!! gack Thanks Dan! Today's your birthday friend.... Winter can do this to one ecto digest request ======================================================================== Date: 04 Feb 94 13:48:40 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: CROKINOLE!!! (full of moxy) | Mike Mendelson wrote a while ago: | |> Neil K: |> |And I say "pop" and not "soda" as well, like most Canadians. :) |> |> No way. Most hosers say "soda". No question. | | Errr... upon what do you base this assumption? I've never done an |exhaustive survey, but all of my thoroughly Canadian friends say |"pop." I don't think I've ever heard "soda" being used in Canada |except in the context of "club soda", which is a kind of pop. In fact, |the Kim Mitchell song "Go for Soda" sort of puzzled me as I didn't |know quite what he meant first time I heard it. I guess "Go for Pop" |just sounded like a dumb title. Well, I grew up in Montreal (18 years) and never once met a sole who said pop till I went to Cornell for college. Must be an east / west, north / south thing... | Oh, and speaking of regional things, I'm curious about the |geographical spread of the game crokinole. Who out there knows what |crokinole is? Just wonderin'! I'm reading this and thinking, "where have I heard that word, it was in a song" and then I remembered: Moxy Fruvous, King of Spain. (Gotta love those guys.) I have *NO* *CLUE* what crokinole is. PLEASE EXPLAIN. thanks. -mjm! ======================================================================== Date: 04 Feb 94 13:48:02 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Domino, II, Vic on Dave Anna Domino: I have This Time and I love it. good to hear she's canadian. Yay acanad! Happy Vol II: I love it and think it's indispensable. Of course, my rankings are not typical. In order of favorite to least fave: Ecto (the definitive happy album, no contest) Rhodes I Rhodes II Rearmament EQP WP >Can someone tell me how Victoria was on Letterman? I somehow managed to >let it slip my mind and now I want to know what I missed :-( Mediocre. I was real disappointed. I hope Happy Come Home and Sweet Relief are better than this. I'm not as eager to buy them now. (I have StS.) Mexican Moon by CB: Now *that's* good stuff. -mjm ======================================================================== Date: 04 Feb 94 14:10:48 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: bottom line: I'm MOVING! |Jeff wrote: !>I have Titanic Days and I really like it. There are a couple of songs that !>don't entirely grab me, but overall I think its her best album. ! !I totally agree. So do I. TD beats ELL for sure. It's a close second to Kite. When does DC come out? And now, I turn GREEN. *THIS* is totally unfair. Why can't Chicago get these acts? Jan 19: On a winter's night (John Gorka, Patty Larkin, Cheryl Wheeler, Cliff Eberhardt)\ Jan 26: Peter Himmelman + Moxy Fruvous !!!! Moxy in the US. Please, more! Feb 1: Janis Ian + The Story Feb 2: In their own words (A bunch of songwriters sittin' around singing) Feb 3: Jan Siberry + Shawn Colvin + Victoria Williams !!! Wow. Feb 7: Barenaked Ladies also canadian Feb 14: Shawn Colvin + Richard Thompson Feb 19: The Roches Mar 10: Rockapella If you have any chance of seeing these guys, grab it and tell me how the show was! Mar 19: Christine Lavin she's great too. no fair. no fair. -mjm ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Thanks Dan! Date: Fri, 04 Feb 94 16:43:38 -0500 From: Dan Riley Mike Mendelson writes: >That was a great description of how tapes work. Yay! I'm glad it was intelligible--I have the common problem of using jargon without defining it clearly first, so writing explanations like that always takes some attention. (To be truthful, it's also grossly oversimplified in spots, and I may be misremembering bits--anyone who really knows this stuff is probably cringing...) >My only question: how is it that playback of >cro2 and metal are both the same mode? >And why can a non-metal ready deck still >play metal and chrome tapes decently? Chrome and metal use the same eq, and playback at the same levels. The main difference is that it takes a much stronger magnetic field to record metal due to the higher coercivity, but coercivity and bias only matter for recording--once the signal is on the tape, metal and chrome look the same, so you only need metal-ready for recording metal, not playback. Chrome or metal played back in a normal-only deck should sound a little funny because the eq will be off--but I'm not really clear on the details of tape eq, so I can't say much about that. -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:35:11 -0600 From: flak@borcim.wustl.edu (Tod Flak) Subject: HELP - looking for female songwriters in Midwest Hi all, This is a global request for good ideas and opinions - who better to ask! My girlfriend Julianne has asked me to solicit advice on her behalf. I will let her note explain : **** Begin included (and edited) message . . . I'm working on planning a conference for this fellowship I have, for women, and my job is to look for regional (st louis, chicago, Kansas city, memphis etc) female singers/songwriters to invite for a panel about using word (written/spoken) to effect social/political change. Would be nice if they have ever written about social/political issues, but not required right now. **** Since I am going out of town for a week ( to Keystone, Colorodo for what's known in the biology research business as a 'ski-meeting' - scientific sessions in the morning and evenings, and the afternoon is open !! Thank you, taxpayers of the United States ;-)) ) . . . please send any ideas to Julianne directly. Her address is: jtdunphy@artsci.wustl.edu Thanks, Tod ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 11:56:05 PST From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Happy 1000th! Just wanted to be on the 1000th ecto digest. What a wonderful 1000 digests it's been! Vickie, glad that you passed the Bowie info to Kevin, it would indeed be a crime to leave out ATA. Maybe we should start sending letters asking that Happy is included. :) Angelos bAm bam ba bAm bam ba bAm bam ba bAm tararara (name that song ;-) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:37:55 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Talked to Kevin... TimC passes along CDC info: > > CDS in England offering Happy, because someone had already sent > > oo-err Vickie you're in trouble ;-) :-), Compact Disc Services is in > Dundee which is in SCOTLAND. You'll have Schottish Dave jumping up > and down if you're not careful (or playing out of tune bagpipes outside > your bedroom window). Many, many pardons to all my Scottish friends. Now I know better. Thanks for the info, Tim Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:09:33 EST From: clark@cme.nist.gov (Steve Clark) Subject: Re: VANCE GILBERT!!!! YAY!!! Second! Third! Don't miss him! Vance is indeed a fantastic talent. He used to fly model airplanes with a friend of mine (Scott quit because he moved; Vance is still flying). His new cd came out Tuesday, though I haven't actually seen a copy yet - that's a project for this weekend! It's on Rounder/Philo, so it shouldn't be too hard to find. Vance was on the road with the Rounder/Philo anniversary tour earlier this year (with Cheryl Wheeler, Bill Morrissey, and Kristina Olsen). A fantastic set of people to put together! They're supposed to be touring some more later this year, I think in the midwest, at least. Be on the lookout! And if you get a chance to talk to him, ask him about Shawn Mullins, a singer-songwriter from Atlanta. He's a big fan of Vance's, and I gave Vance Shawn's tape last time I saw him. 'Course, you can ask me about Shawn, too! -steve clark@cme.nist.gov Quit work. Make music. ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 04 Feb 1994 16:43:08 -0500 (EST) From: "dan(n)" Subject: gack please unsubscribe me from this mailing list, before I drown in the sentimental slop. thanks, and *HUGS*!!! -dan coffey ======================================================================== Date: 04 Feb 94 15:45:14 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Thanks Dan! Subject: Re: It's not normal (long, moderately technical) Date: Fri, 04 Feb 94 12:02:08 -0500 From: Dan Riley That was a great description of how tapes work. Stuff I'd never understood despite my ginormous (largely cro2) tape collection. Thanks! My only question: how is it that playback of cro2 and metal are both the same mode? And why can a non-metal ready deck still play metal and chrome tapes decently? Actually, my non-metal ditsy box records chrome somewhat decently too. -mjm ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 07:50:02 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* **** Stephen Thomas *** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stephen Thomas Fri February 4 1966 Aquarius Sue Bacon Fri February 11 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== From: Neil K. Guy Subject: Re: CROKINOLE!!! (full of moxy) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 12:47:24 -0800 (PST) Mike M says: > Well, I grew up in Montreal (18 years) and never once met > a sole who said pop till I went to Cornell for college. > Must be an east / west, north / south thing... << Trivial Posting Alert! :) >> Hmm... this thread again. :) Perhaps it's a Quebec thing. I've lived in southwestern Ontario, and it was always pop. I can see it being soda in Montreal - soda sounding more French than pop. I think it's interesting how, just as English has crept into the French of francophone Quebecois, French has crept into the English of anglophone Quebeckers. It's funny hearing English speakers talking about depanneurs and the like. :) > I'm reading this and thinking, "where have I heard that > word, it was in a song" and then I remembered: > Moxy Fruvous, King of Spain. (Gotta love those guys.) Yep! They mention crokinole! Playing crokinole with the Duchess of Monaco or somesuch, isn't it? > I have *NO* *CLUE* what crokinole is. > PLEASE EXPLAIN. thanks. Well, crokinole is a harmless innocent little game that Canadians like to play on long cold winter's nights, I guess. At least I'm assuming it's a predominantly Canadian thing. Nobody really responded to my original post so I assume most Americans don't know it. Anyway, you have this flat, circular board about a metre (3 feet or so) in diameter. It's got a couple of concentric rings drawn on it, and a small shallow hole at the centre. There are two players, each with a set of small round discs - traditionally one light, one dark. Then you sort of flick the discs across the board and try to get it into the centre. The concentric zones of the board have varying scores, so you get 15 points for every disc you get in that zone, etc. The fun of the game is knocking other player's pieces off the board - ideally you want to bump the opponent's disc off the board while your disc stays in the 15 point zone, say. There are also half a dozen small posts surrounding the 15 point zone so if you're not careful you can hit a post and bounce your piece right off the board. When both players have shot all their pieces you add the score on the board. Simple, goofy and kinda fun game. :) I have heard that it may have started with the Mennonites of southwestern Ontario who moved up from Pennsylvania and, originally, from Germany centuries ago. Is this game - or variants thereof - popular in either place, I wonder? Damn! I can hear those pipes again! Crikey! :) - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 14:13:20 -0800 Subject: re: gack > please unsubscribe me from this mailing list, before I drown in the > sentimental slop. > > thanks, and *HUGS*!!! Too tedious for ya? ;) Ethan ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:57:02 CST From: Subject: Winter can do this to one Punxsutawney Phil saw his shadow the other day, and now we're in for six more weeks of winter. I'm already feeling the aftereffects of this. The cold I thought I was close to getting over seems to be coming back, my overall energy level has ebbed, a job I had my eye on has gone to somebody else, my hair hurts, my teeth itch, and I got gas (ah there, Richard Feder :-) ). At least I managed to send off the recordings I promised to Tim Steele and to Woj. It all reminds me of the tape I once bought of the Kinsey Report (A Chicago blues band having nothing to do with sex), which turned out to really be a tape of the soundtrack of Elvis in _GI Blues_, featuring the show-stopping number, "Did You Ever Have One of Those Days." I later swapped it for a copy of what I thought I was getting in the first place; a record-store cashier to whom I later recounted the whole thing during a casual conversation opined to me that the one with the Elvis album might have been valuable, so I should have hung on to it. In the great words of Vivien Leigh, tomorrow is another day :-). In the great words of Neil: > And for some reason I think of some archetypical elderly Scot lying >on his deathbed, tilting his head painfully towards the silence and >saying "arrrghhhh.. can ye hear the pipes?" in his final dying >delusionary moment... Don't know why. :) For some reason this made me think of the numerous fractures in plumbing that occurred in the recent cold spell. Don't know why :-). Valerie said, to the effect that: >Mike Mendelson said: >> Or maybe I'm just an excitable boy. Cf. the cautionary tale about such phenomena, which appeared on Warren Zevon's album of the same name :-). On a subsequent occasion, the man himself went on to say: >Writhing is good, yes? To paraphrase Robert Lynd: writhing for what? As fate would have it, I missed a key the first time I tried to type "writhing" in the previous paragraph, and left out the "h." But the more I think about it, the more I warm to the proposition implicit in the flawed first draft: *** Writing is good, yes? :-) *** WRT the Great Debate on tape formulations: My own experience has been that for equivalent sources, type II (high bias) tape tends to give me somewhat better sound than type I (low bias), notwithstanding that my equipment records only at 120 mu equalization. (Why 120 mu is considered a lower bias than 80 mu may be one of the great conundra of life :-). ) Something I asked once on rec.audio, and didn't get any coherent answers, was how the results I might get from a premium type I tape (like Maxell XL-I or TDK AR), which are somewhat hard to get in my experience, tend to compare with those of the basic grade type II tapes (like Maxell UD-II). Looks like we may have the makings of a thread here :-). WRT mjm's commentaries on Vance Gilbert _et al_.: folk_music, the same list where Gilbert's name came up, also carried someone's kind words about Moxy Fruevous some time ago: >Moxy Fruevous is a Toronto area group that I have been hearing on our >local CBC for about 4 years. They used to do a weekly topical/satirical >song. Great vocal harmonies, great lyrics, off-the-wall humour. > >I would put them in the same category (if categories are what you >like) as Barenaked Ladies. > >They _do_ have a CD out, which I saw but have not yet bought, (it >was available at HMV here in Toronto, but I have no idea if it >has national or US distribution. (I'd been saving this cyberclipping, as it were, to send to Beth, arguably the one person in the whole District of Columbia most likely to take the recent winter weather there with more equanimity than any other; but when Moxy Fruevous came up in these pages, well...) If it's occurred to you by now that the aforesaid list has too much that's relevant to ecto not to subscribe to it, send email to listserv@nysenet.org with the line: Subscribe folk_music Your Name . You'll get back a guide with such things as how to switch to the digest format. Mitch --------------------------------- "The most fun you can have without risking a Federal indictment." --Aaron Freeman ======================================================================== From: dferg@aol.com Date: Fri, 04 Feb 94 18:13:56 EST Subject: ecto digest request Please resubscribe me to ecto in digest form. My mail box is overflowing! Thank you. David Ferguson 7550 Drew Circle #10 Westland MI 48185 dferg@aol.com ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)