Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #447 ecto, Number 447 Thursday, 18 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Discography Re: Last night Re: Mitch talks about various things: the next generation Re: Human Sexual Response Re: 'Til Tuesday Guilty Pleasures Rosalie Sorrels Canehjan, ay? :-) and other stories Re: No longer "In Hiding" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 9:08:30 PST From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Discography >John writes: > >> Is there a full Happy Discography available? Or does it as of now only >> include her four cassettes, six CDs and two comps? (Klaus told me to >> ask.) > >That's all the official releases. The Bartlett/Rhodes demo would definitely >fit into a discography, but only if it were clearly marked "unavailable." >After all, the comp CDs are "unavailable" too. Oh, I beg to differ! Promotional comps may be "not for sale, for promotional use only" but they are ALWAYS available, for a price. You can find almost any promotional compilation at record swaps and used record stores (and through Goldmine &c) if you look hard enough and are willing to pay. However, the Bartlett/Rhodes demo, since not officially released in any form, promotional or no, is DEFINITELY unavailable, so I wouldn't put it in a discography. >Btw, the MIDEM CD has a name and a number. Looking at the spine... > >Hired Gun MIDEM '93 HGM 12019 > >"Waking Up" is track 2. >"Feed The Fire" is track 11. So, after all that... Is there a full Happy discography available? That is to say, is it all compiled in one place? -- John ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 9:18:25 PST From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: Last night >Anyways, listening to Ecto (the song) I noticed that the bass player >while playing that great riff (|: DedeDoonDip DededeDoom Dedoom :|) >must be sliding his fingers up the guitar neck, because you can >here his fingers slide (her fingers?). The sound comes like this: > > |: DedeDoonDip ______------- DededeDoom Dedoom :| > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > S L I D E Are you sure you're not talking about "Poetic Justice"? I've always liked the way the fingerslide adds to the ambience of the music in that song... "My ears have parasites." -- John ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Mitch talks about various things: the next generation Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 12:29:03 -0500 From: "Daniel S. Riley" writes: >Speaking of ambiguities: last Sunday's _Sun-Times_ ran a story about Gang of >Seven, the new spoken word label started by Windham Hill founder Will Ackerman. >It quotes Ackerman WRT his venerable new age specialty label: "Windham Hill >was a response to the synthetic sound of disco." It was always MHO WIVH, like >it or lump it, that new age was a pretty synthetic sound in its own right. >From the department of historical correctness (and someone who still has a soft spot for some of the earliest Windham Hill albums): This being Mitch, I'm not sure if he means "combined of separate substances to form a coherent whole" or "artificial". The former seems to me a too generous characterization for new age. As regards the latter, the early Windham Hill catalog was strictly acoustic--mostly solo guitar (Ackerman, Degrassi) and solo piano (Winston, Story), with some solo violin and a few ensemble works. -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "Maybe, leastways is the best way of all" -Caterwaul ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 12:26:25 EST From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: Human Sexual Response I agree with Greg about 'In a Roman Mood' being the better HSR album (even if I couldn't remember the name of the damn thing - another album which should be taped). Speaking of the great Boston music scene of late 70's early 80's, does anyone remember a band called The Dark? I adored those guys, saw them about 20 times and was just wondering if anyone knew what had happened to them? Aimee Mann was a fan and even cut Roger, the lead's, hair! Laura ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 13:01:46 EST From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Human Sexual Response Laura wonders: >Speaking of the great Boston music scene of late 70's early 80's, does >anyone remember a band called The Dark? I adored those guys, saw them >about 20 times and was just wondering if anyone knew what had happened >to them? Aimee Mann was a fan and even cut Roger, the lead's, hair! not a clue, though the name does ring a bell... i'll consult my boston music scene sources (that's a fancy name for my friend Tim ;) speaking of Aimee Mann, is there anyone else out there who thinks that _welcome home_ by /til tuesday/ is a perfect pop album?? footah in all directions! -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 13:13:01 EST From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Last night John suspects mjm's ear have parasites: > >Anyways, listening to Ecto (the song) I noticed that the bass player > >while playing that great riff (|: DedeDoonDip DededeDoom Dedoom :|) > >must be sliding his fingers up the guitar neck, because you can > >here his fingers slide (her fingers?). The sound comes like this: > > > > |: DedeDoonDip ______------- DededeDoom Dedoom :| > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > S L I D E > > Are you sure you're not talking about "Poetic Justice"? I've always > liked the way the fingerslide adds to the ambience of the music in > that song... "My ears have parasites." i'd recognize those DeDeDoonDips anywhere -- that's "poetic justice" alright :) i've actually played that bass part in performance a few times, with the K.T.Rhodes band (that's jessica, dan, woj, meth, and i ;) and as a duo with jess -- it's a *lot* of fun to play. the little squeak is hard to avoid -- there is a quick change of position at that point -- but i agree, it sounds cool ;) BTW, i am quite sure that is Happy herself playing bass, on both "p.j." and "ecto" -- *sigh* nothing reduces me to adoring rapture faster than a good female bass player ;) footeefoofum *squeak* fofofootah footum! -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== Subject: Re: 'Til Tuesday Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 13:15:35 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Greg footahs: >speaking of Aimee Mann, is there anyone else out there who thinks that >_welcome home_ by /til tuesday/ is a perfect pop album?? Actually, I much prefer _Everything's Different Now_, which I find far more mature and musically interesting. And the duet with Elvis Costello is incredible! Not that I have any complaints about _Welcome Home_; "Coming Up Close" is one of my favorite songs, and there's a lot of other great stuff on there (such as "David Denies"). Wish someone would pick up 'Til Tuesday and get Aimee back into circulation via the recorded medium, instead of the small-time touring she's stuck with right now. Seems like a similar situation to that of Caterwaul. Idiot record companies. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 13:17:12 EST From: Greg Bossert Subject: Guilty Pleasures re the recent thread on embarassing musical treasures: y'all ain't got NOthin' on me! last friday, i went to see *duran duran* in concert... ...and i enjoyed it! maybe i'll go put _rio_ on again ;) hungry like a footah! -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Guilty Pleasures Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 13:41:25 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Greg again footahs: >y'all ain't got NOthin' on me! last friday, i went to see >*duran duran* in concert... That's funny, I was just listening to "Say A Prayer" on the _Secret Policemen's Third Ball_. It's one of my favorite songs from the mid-80s (which is to say it was one of my favorite songs *during* the mid-80s; now I've found gobs of much better stuff from the period). Now that I think about it, this was also the period of time when I anxiously awaited each 'n every new Duran Duran video. And I'll admit that I really love the new Duran Duran single ("Ordinary World") and have even considered getting the CD5. Dunno if I could live with myself if I owned a whole album of theirs. "Save it 'til the morning after" Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 11:24:14 PST From: tsai@ikos.com (Finney T. Tsai) Subject: Rosalie Sorrels Here are the replies I got regarding to Rosalie Sorrels. I bought Rosalie's album "Report from Grimes Creek" last week. Basically her music is the mixing of storytelling and folksongs. Good stuff, but you have to carefully listen to the whole album before you judge if you like it. It takes lots of patience. I think this may be the reason why Rosalie doesn't receive much attention. At least for KT or Happy fans, Rosalie's music seems to be over simplified and lengthy. -finney ----------------------------- Walking on Walking on broken glass -- Annie Lennox :> :> I don't know about Karklins, but I believe you will find Sorrels :> worthwhile. She does storytelling mixed with folksinging, and :> many of her stories are based in fact on her experiences, which :> for some reason tend to the bizarre. I haven't heard her telling :> of how she got run over twice in the same night (once by her :> husband, the second time by the ambulance), but it's sure to be :> good. :> :> -- :> David Kassover "Proper technique helps protect you against :> RPI BSEE '77 MSCSE '81 sharp weapons and dull judges." :> kassover@aule-tek.com F. Collins :> kassover@ra.crd.ge.com :> :> :> I took guitar lessons from Rosalie Sorrels about a billion :> years ago. She *might* be from Utah, I can't recall, though. :> She's very good. :> :> Eileen :> :> :> Rosalie Sorrels, as far as I know :> is from up around Idaho somewhere. She'd been around the folk circuit :> forever or thereabouts. Her writing, playing, and singing aren't in any way :> outlandish, if that's what you look for, but I find her very pleasant to :> listen to. She played RPI Feb. 6, but I couldn't go. :> :> I would recommend any album of hers that includes a hostile-baby-rocking- :> song (My favorite is something about this is the day we give babies away), :> a genre that she invented. They're sweetly-sung, venom-lyric lullabies. Fun. :> :> Her stories are also great. Her tales of her father, who was a drunken :> no-good by community standards but could walk three blocks on his hands and :> sounds like a really great guy, are particularly fun and touching. :> :> Ingrid K I'm still looking for in record shops. :> :> alanm :> ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 16:12:50 CST From: "Him of the equipoison pen :-)" Subject: Canehjan, ay? :-) and other stories The growing consciousness of the number of Canadians--on whichever side of the border they reside--on this list, which has lately culminated in Mike outing himself WRT his actual native land, reminds me for some reason of the situation that prevails today in American show business, which is replete with, if not exactly closet Canadians, at least those whose true nationality is unre- cognized by most Americans. Somehow, modern Hollywood wouldn't be exactly the same without the likes of Michael J. Fox, William Shatner, Dan Aykroyd and a host of others, to say nothing of the cheap filming environment that Yankee producers are finding in Canada. Think of this the next time you watch a late night crime show, and notice a TTC tram chugging through the main drags of gritty urban America :-). It all harkens back to the famous essay by a famous anthropologist, whose name I have unfortunately forgotten, recounting the saga of a man whose day involved one foreign cultural borrowing after another, at the end of which he prayed to a Hebrew god in an Indo-european language, giving thanks that he was 100% American. You may have concluded by now that I'm leading up, by indirection as always, to holding a similar coming-out party for myself. As per a cultural borrowing from Ontario's gift to the lore and legend of Aurora, Illinois: NOT! :-) I am, in fact, one of the 100% Americans on this list, the sum total of my direct experience with Canadian life consisting of one week spent in Toronto--where the Hudson's bay store didn't carry the vaunted Hudson's bay scotch, but Sun- dance (?) records across Yonge St. from there, as well as the shop down the block from it whose name I have characteristically forgotten, unsurprisingly both had a good selection of Canadian artists interspersed with the same old mass-market dreck available here--to attend the 1981 meeting of the American Sociological Association. (Had I known what was in store for the polity and economy of my homeland beginning in that year, I might have been motivated to seek further experience; but that's neither here nor there. :-) ) The closest I can claim to having any roots north of the border is the few years my father lived in Calgary as a kid, to the point of having to work at viewing George Washington as one of the good guys when he returned to the public schoo- ls of his native New York. (For the rest of his days, he professed a certain sentimentality toward the Calgary Stampede, inexplicably in light of his comp- lete disinterest in rodeos _per se_.) Throw in a native of Ottawa as my second dissertation chairman, and a native of Winnipeg (thus helping the Eastern and Western influences remain closer to equipoise :-) ) as one of my cofounders of the Chicago Sociological Practice Association, and it may begin to seem explic- able that I'm attuned to these things (not to mention whatever residual con- sciousness may have remained from the 60's, before I pulled the number 307 in the draft lottery and had to shop around thereafter for alternative stuff to worry about :-) ). I still like the idea somebody had of adding a Canadian sampler to Vickie's series; damned if I know what became of those Connie Kaldor tapes I bought in August. Back in the USA (cf. Linda Ronstadt, 1978 :-) ): It is my great pleasure to keep the distribution flat WRT the preferences ex- pressed thus far for the respective 'Til Tuesday albums. My vote goes to the first one in the set, _Voices Carry_. In their day, they were one of the best soft rock acts in the business, depending on how you feel about soft rock in general. In retrospect, the video for the aforesaid album's title tune may have been ahead of its time, with its diagetics on the refusal to be completely cowed by domestic violence. WRT the discussion of record stores in San Francisco: may I put in a good word for a used record place called Music Music, where I got some good stuff when I last visited that city in 1989. I think it was in the 700 block of Geary St., based on its having been a block south and a block west (I think) of my hotel, which was in the 700 block of Post Street. (One of the charming yet aggravating consequences of using a single diagonal base line for the street grid.) WRT Meredith's dictum that "Happy Rhodes segues with anything:" she may be right. Believe it or not, the first time I listened to the new album, much of what crossed my mind in the way of impressions amounted to ideas on what each selection could be segued with. Herewith, a few of my inspirations: "Out Like A Lamb" with "I'm A Midnight Mover," by a rhythym and blues artist of the 60s whose name I've forgotten. "Temporary and Eternal" with "Where've You Been" by Kathy Mattea and/or "Old Friends" by Simon and Garfunkel "Closer" with "Nothing's Gonna Stop Me Now" by Samantha Fox, and/or "Shove" by L7 ("Voices Carry" by 'Til Tuesday might also fit in here) "Play the Game" with "I am Woman" by Helen Reddy and/or the aforesaid "Shove" "Mother Sea" with Linda Ronstadt, "Rock Me on the Water" and/or Bonnie Koloc, "Roll Me on the Water" "I Say" with Carly Simon, "The Girl You Think You See" To shift for a moment to Happy's immediate previous album: "Waking Up" with Carly Simon, "Playing Possum" I blew hot and cold on whether to include the following, but finally decided, "What The Hey." So if you _really_ want to test the limits of taste: "Cohabitants" with Patsy Cline, "Crazy" :-) :-) :-(' At the end of _48 Hours_ last night, they had clips from next week's show, which apparently will be about lying in America or something like that. One of their visuals displayed a newspaper headline something like "WXPN disk jockey fired in resume scandal." Any of our WXPN hands know what that was all about? Meredith went on to write: >I'll gladly show you some of the crap I had to read in college- these people >supposedly had PhDs, but damned if I know how they got them). I would appear to be living proof that this is as applicable to ABD's as to completed Ph.D.'s :-). Since many readers of these pages aparently find my ideas amusing anyway (or else have a fondness for puzzles of all types), I will persist in it :-). Vickie's mention of "Beat it Out" from the 1st4 reminded me of a thought I had when I first heard it: it might have potential for underscoring a PSA on dealing with clothing fires. The delay in the delivery of Terry's copy of the new CD suggests a clear need for the proposed Equipost/Bundespoise (cf. my post yesterday) to expand rapidly to service the rest of the EC. :-) WRT his query on Clinton's jogging track: the way I heard it, he only wants to build it if it can be financed privately. My conclusion is that there must be a modicum of jogging tracks already extant in secure Federal facilities (the FBI academy, the cardiac rehab unit at Bethes da naval hospital, etc.), so why bother at all? WRT Dan Riley on New Age: I actually meant "synthetic" to mean "artificial," as I assumed Ackerman was describing disco. While new age is undoubtedly a polyglot musical form, much of it does, in fact, seem like a kind of chewing gum for the ears, as esthetically unchallenging in its way as was disco in its. At this moment, the anchors of _All Things Considered_ have just tripped over their cue lines on national radio. Nobody's perfect. Which in turn reminds me, in connection with the misrepresentation of the _Warpaint_ release year as 1992 rather than the real 1991, of an exchange of rejoinders between author and reviewer which appeared in an academic journal. The reviewer faulted the author for failing to take the 1971 Canadian census into account in his conclusions. The author alibied that said census came out in 1971, while his book came out in 1970. He went on to observe that some scholars may have the gift of divining the results of next year's census, but nobody's perfect. Vickie comments: >Hey, have I mentioned lately how much I love Equipoise? As best as I've been able to reason it through, the answer is yes :-). Mitch -------------------------------------- "I told my wife I could recite this speech backwards and now I'm proving it." --Gerald Ford "Quod Est Disproven ;-)" --Olaf Titz ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 21:16:18 EST From: WretchAwry This is my response to Jon Drukman in rec.music.gaffa. He y'ain't gonna get no rise outta me! :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------- jondr@sco.COM writes: >allan balliett: >>Of course, Happy Rhodes _Equipose_ is out on the Aural Gratification lbl >>(masterstroke, that title, eh?) and carries a $13.99 list. >i don't get it. equipoise means equilibrium. Jon, I'm so proud of you! Do you have Larry Coryell's album of the same name or did you just have a dictionary handy? > does equipose mean that >she's pretending to be well balanced when in reality she's a raving >nutter? Har Har! You're such a card! You're so cute when you try to start flame wars. Won't work this time though. We're all in too good a mood from the new album to step down and wallow in the mud. *kisskisshughug* Auntie Vickie --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 18 Feb 93 22:01:46 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: No longer "In Hiding" Hi Tamar! Yay! Thanks for your Happy story, another one for the files. > I first heard of Happy Rhodes in either 1986 or 1987 while I was waiting in > line to see Bill Bruford and Patrick Moraz in San Francisco (that's where I'm > originally from). Someone was handing out playlists from KFJC and Happy's > name was on it. Next to her name it said, "a must for Kate Bush fans" which > caught my attention. Of course what they didn't say was that at that time it > was impossible to find Happy's stuff anywhere. It wasn't even clear whether > Happy Rhodes was the name of a person or the name of a band. So every once in > a while I would look in record stores to see if I could find anything, but I > of course never did. Then I just sort of forgot about it. That is so cool. It means that you heard about Happy before *any* of us, so congratulations! > I didn't expect to get so hooked, but here I am!! It's good to have you here. Welcome to Ecto! (belatedly :-) ) Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)