Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #432 ecto, Number 432 Thursday, 11 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Edgar & Clyde A SURVEY.....REALLY Re: The reindustrialization of ecto and other stories Re: ecto #430 A BRAINTEASER A SERIOUS QUESTION IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE..... Edgar & Clyde Re: Save Our Souls Many things... Re: GOPHER!!! Re: Back for More! meth Misc. Hmm. Eh. _Hmm._ OK. Hmm. _Wow_. Totally tubular but only partly watched and other stories Hi, Neile ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 10:08 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: Edgar & Clyde >If tonight's _Frontline_ (PBS) is accurate, one can only wonder where he'd >stand on whether God made Edgar and Clyde :-) I missed the _Frontline_ episode in question. Please explain Edgar and Clyde? Email to me if this is becoming tiresome to the list. Thanks. - Sam ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 10:41:49 EST From: Chris Sampson Subject: A SURVEY.....REALLY OKAY, BOYS AND GIRLS, I'M CONDUCTING A ONE-QUESTION SURVEY. I PROMISE TO DE-BRIEF WRT THE RESULTS AFTER I TABULATE THE RESPONSES. PLEASE SEND RESPONSES *DIRECTLY* TO ME, AL FRANKEN, AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS BELOW: "chris@neuron.uchc.edu" OKAY, NOW THE QUESTION: *************************************************************************** HAVE YOU EVER --EITHER AS A CHILD OR AS AN ADULT-- TOUCHED A BATTERY (9V, AA, AAA, C, D, LANTERN ETC.) TO YOUR TONGUE, AND EXPERIENCED THAT SOUR/METALLIC TASTE?????? *************************************************************************** PLEASE, SERIOUS REPLYS ONLY....OH, OKAY, YOU CAN INCLUDE JOKE ANSWERS, BUT ALSO TAG ON A "BUT SERIOUSLY" SOMEWHERE SO THAT I CAN TABULATE THE RESPONSES.. THANKS, CHRIS SAMPSON CONNECTICUT CHEMOSENSORY CLINICAL RESEARCH CENTER (CCCRC) TASTE AND SMELL CENTER DEPARTMENT OF BIOSTRUCTURE AND FUNCTION UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT FARMINGTON AVENUE FARMINGTON, CT "chris@neuron.uchc.edu" ======================================================================== From: special K Subject: Re: The reindustrialization of ecto and other stories Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 9:40:27 EST I think it was Mitch that said: > While we're on the subject of _Single White Female_, does anyone have either > knowledge or recommendations WRT the new album by Mood Swings? It has a song > from said movie, with a guest vocal by Chrissie Hynde. I think that _Moodfood_ by Moodswings is just great! Specifically the 3 or 4 versions of the Chrissie Hynde song you're talking about ("State of Independence"). Save for 2 songs, the rest of the album is instrumental, almost Enigma-like music (but not as "gothic" as Enigma). I recommend it. > WRT sending "Save Our Souls" to the people in charge of the Voyager project, > or not: How about a second opinion from Kristi, our resident NASA hand? Huh? What? Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread. Do you mind filling me in? Whatcha need? > WRT other recordings by Laurie Freelove: No other solo albums yet, but there > are records by her with the rest of her old group, Two Nice Girls. I recommend anything by Two Nice Girls. However, it may be difficult to find anything by them as their label, Rough Trade, folded last year. Plus, Two Nice Girls broke up at the end of last year. special K ======================================================================== Date: 11 Feb 93 10:07:28 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Re: ecto #430 > Wasn't that Rock On remake in question done by the guy who played a rock > star on the soap opera The Young And The Restless? > > Can't remember his name, but it came out in 1987 or 1988 and was quite > big with the teenie crowd.... and sounded remarkably like the original. Rick Springfield? ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 10:14:48 EST From: Chris Sampson Subject: A BRAINTEASER FOR ALL OF YOU WHO LIKE BRAINTEASERS: A MAN WALKS 1 MILE DUE SOUTH, THEN 1 MILE DUE EAST, AND FINALLY, ONE MILE DUE NORTH. AT THIS POINT, HE IS EXACTLY WHERE HE STARTED. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE????? OH, YEAH....HE DIDN'T START AT THE NORTH POLE CHRIS SAMPSON ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 10:07:44 EST From: Chris Sampson Subject: A SERIOUS QUESTION IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE..... OKAY, BOYS AND GIRLS, I'M CONDUCTING A ONE-QUESTION SURVEY. I PROMISE TO DE-BRIEF WRT THE RESULTS AFTER I TABULATE THE RESPONSES. PLEASE SEND RESPONSES *DIRECTLY* TO ME, AL FRANKEN, AT THE EMAIL ADDRESS BELOW: "chris@neuron.uchc.edu" OKAY, NOW THE QUESTION: *************************************************************************** HAVE YOU EVER --EITHER AS A CHILD OR AS AN ADULT-- TOUCHED A BATTERY (9V, AA, AAA, C, D, LANTERN ETC.) TO YOUR TONGUE, AND EXPERIENCED THAT SOUR/METALLIC TASTE?????? *************************************************************************** PLEASE, SERIOUS REPLYS ONLY....OH, OKAY, YOU CAN INCLUDE JOKE ANSWERS, BUT ALSO TAG ON A "BUT SERIOUSLY" SOMEWHERE SO THAT I CAN TABULATE THE RESPONSES.. THANKS, CHRIS SAMPSON CONNECTICUT CHEMOSENSORY CLINICAL RESEARCH CENTER (CCCRC) TASTE AND SMELL CENTER DEPARTMENT OF BIOSTRUCTURE AND FUNCTION UNIVERSITY OF CONNECTICUT FARMINGTON AVENUE FARMINGTON, CT "chris@neuron.uchc.edu" ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 11:23 EST From: Sam Warren Subject: Edgar & Clyde >If tonight's _Frontline_ (PBS) is accurate, one can only wonder where he'd >stand on whether God made Edgar and Clyde :-) I missed the _Frontline_ episode in question. Please explain Edgar and Clyde? Email to me if this is becoming tiresome to the list. Thanks. - Sam ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 09:16:53 EST From: ken@startek.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: Save Our Souls > From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) > inhabitants (people of nudity :-) ). The Voyager spacecraft each > carried a record (gold-anodized aluminum instead of vinyl) > containing sounds and encoded pictures, and a plaque with simple > diagrams explaining how to use a stylus to read its contents. > > I definitely do not recall any attempts to launch CDs into space. > The reason that a phonograph record was chosen for the Voyagers > is that it is simple enough that one could hope even a radically > different culture could figure out how to extract things from it. > A CD, on the other hand, is both more sensitive to damage and > less obviously encoded; also imagine drawing a simple diagram > explaining how to use a laser, a microprocessor, a D-A converter, > and an amplifier to extract its contents, assuming that the user > of the diagram isn't from your planet :-). Hmmm, while I guess that Digitally encoded sound might be complicated to extract. I would think that an Analog picture would be just as complicated to extract... But on the other hand the whole idea isn't exactly pratical. Whatever might find the disc might have nothing equivalent to our eyes and ears... -ken d ======================================================================== Date: 11 Feb 1993 10:24:39 -0400 (EDT) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: Many things... Ok, to catch up on some other topics... Here's the low down on the Voyager disk. (Working at the Space Telescope Institute DOES have it's advantages! :)) First, Pioneer 10 and 11 carried small metal plaques identifying their time and place of origin. The two Voyager spacecraft carried a 12-inch gold plated copper phonograph record. It is stored in a protective aluminum jacket, with a cartridge and needle. On the record, there are 115 images stored in analog form. There is also a 90 music selection of Eastern and Western musics. It includes Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Navajo Indian Chant, Senegalese Percussion, Peruvian Pan Pipes, and of course, Chuck Berry singing "Johnny B. Goode." :) There are also Earth sounds (rain, a jet, baby, dog , laughter, birds, etc) and greetings in 60 languages. The first language is Akkadian (ancient language spoken in Sumer 6000 years ago) and the last is Wu (modern Chinese dialect.) In 40,000 years, the spacecraft will be 1 light-year from star AC + 79 3888. Voyager 1 was launched on 8/20/77. Voyager 2 was launched 9/5/77. (BTW, does anyone remember the old SNL skit with Steve Martin called "Next Week in Revue?" A classic SNL skit that comments on the Voyager disks.) Now, some Happy stuff... I'm still waiting for Equipoise. I sent my order a week ago, so hopefully I'll get it anyday now. My wife and I listened to all 5 albums in a row this past weekend. We talked a lot about it afterwards and I'm still so impressed with the depth of the vocals, especially on the early stuff. Happy clearly grasps the idea of using her voice as an instrument. :) It all sounds so effortless... I've had "Wretches Gone Awry" in my head all week. While we were listening, we could've sworn that we heard a cat crying. We have two cats ourselves, but it wasn't them crying. We looked out our windows, but couldn't see any cats. It wasn't until yesterday when I listened to "Noone Here" again that I realized it was on the CD player! :) Finally, a quick "Strange Phenomena" story. I worked for a friend of mine one summer when I was in college. He owned a company that installed modular office equipment. One day, I went up to LA with another guy from the company. We needed to pick up a delivery. Anyway, the day went and we were driving back to San Diego. I should mention that I'd never worked with the guy I was riding with. He was always on different jobs. Anyway, about a mile from the office, the truck ran out of gas. :( Since it was about 6:30, we decided to walk back to the office and let them deal with the truck. During our walk, we started talking more. (The ride had been quiet.) He asked my last name and I told him. He then asked where I lived and I told him that. He said "That's funny. I used to know a woman who lived their." I said, "Well, you must be talking about my mom, since my grandparents have always owned that house!" Come to find out, he was best-friends with my dad when they were in high school! My mom and dad had me when they were 17 and still in school, so he knew me when I was born! I didn't know him because my parent's never lived together and got divorced soon after I was born. So 22 years had passed since he last saw me... It really IS a small world! :) John ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 14:35:58 MEZ From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: GOPHER!!! Hi, Skaludy, thanks **VERY** much for the information on the gopher client. I've installed it in our net (on a PC and our RS/6000). It's absolutely great to wander through the internet and search for certain items. I've found a CD-database in Berlin. It contains three entries for "Equipoise": Larry Coryell, Roy Haynes and Happy Rhodes :-) I'm on edge for what I'll find next. Dirk ---------------------- "It is the travel and the people that have opened me up and made me look at the way I live. All young people should have the chance to travel and meet people from all over the world." PG ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Back for More! Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 12:07:15 BST On Wed, 10 Feb 93 at 20:20:00 EDT, r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com wrote: > I continue to be amazed at Ecto! People from all over the US > as well as Australia! Oi! Don't forget us Poms!!! Not to mention the Krauts :-) We used to have Finns & Danes on board too, but they've been a bit quiet recently. Anybody from Scandinavia still participating? Those of us over in the Old World may be outnumbered by you colonials :-) but we don't like to be overlooked! And the good people of Canada won't thank you for lumping them in with the US either! We've even had a member in Africa, though I believe he's now back in the USA. Long live Ecto, the *GLOBAL* Happy Rhodes electronic fan club! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Date: 11 Feb 93 12:10:48 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: meth > Wasn't that Rock On remake in question done by the guy who played a > rock star on the soap opera The Young And The Restless? > > Can't remember his name, but it came out in 1987 or 1988 and was quite > big with the teenie crowd.... and sounded remarkably like the original. Rick Springfield? ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 09:09:31 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Misc. Heh. Good to know there are other Who fans on ecto. Vickie's story about how she found out about Happy prompts me to tell my own story, which probably is very like many on this list: I read r.m.gaffa, and after hearing people talk about Tori a lot I bought _LE_ and liked it. So when people talked about Happy, I thought, well, that first experience buying music on the word of the r.m.g. folk was a good one, maybe I'll buy a Happy Rhodes cd. [By the way, Jim that wasn't last fall, it was almost a year ago now! I guess that's a tribute to how fresh Happy sounds to us. ;) ] I went to Tower with some friends, saw _Warpaint_ and bought it (even though Jim was freely expressing skepticism about buying a cd sound unheard). We went over to our friends' place and popped on some discs they'd bought and the ones we bought and put their machine on scramble. I was dying with curiosity about what it would sound like. The player jumped through a couple of tunes, then played first "Phobos". I was going nuts I thought it was so wonderful. I wanted to unscramble the player to hear the rest, and our friends were amenable, so we did. Sigh. My friends went out & bought _Warpaint_ shortly after that. I posted a note in the Music room on the University of Washington bb about how great it was, and Michael Peskura mailed me to tell me to join ecto. I'd never joined a list before, but I got up the nerve to do it, and was very pleasantly surprised by the way this list works. I lurked for quite a while before I got up the nerve to post, though. So here I am. To change the subject (again) I guess no one else is interested in _The Ectophiles Guide to Good Music_. Ah well. I'll just file it away in the (large) closet marked ideas which seemed great to Neile but no one else. Win some, lose some. I'm still not tired _Warpaint_. I don't think I ever will be. And _Equipoise_ is playing in my head ever if I'm not playing it electronically. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 10:21:38 PST From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Hmm. Eh. _Hmm._ OK. Hmm. _Wow_. It is interesting that some people have compared _Equipoise_ to _The Dreaming_. When I first heard _The Dreaming_, I was converted into an instant rabid Kate Bush fan. Fortunately, my first experience with Happy was similar, since when I heard _Rhodes Vol. I_ I was also instantly hooked. Normally it can take some time for me to learn the songs on an album and establish mental associations with them; in the case of "Oh the Drears" it went the other way -- instead of me having to listen to the song and develop emotional connections to it, the darn thing reached out of the tape and clamped its emotional connections onto me. I'd have to say that _Equipoise_ is not one of those albums that reached out and grabbed me on first listen, partly because of the conditions (I was making a tape for my walkman on a friend's stereo, which has a great tape deck but poor speakers). However, it is rapidly growing on me, often a more rewarding experience than liking an album on first hearing. I recommend that new listeners should listen on headphones or play it LOUD -- the music is just sparse enough and subtle enough that it doesn't come out of the background. The real highlight for me is _He Will Come_/_The Flight_. The chorus to HWC is absolutely sublime. _The Flight_ gives me the incongruous image of a Latin lover vampire :-). The more I listen to the album, though, the more I like the other songs. I'd still choose _Warpaint_ to get people hooked on Happy, but _Equipoise_ is definitely not a disappointment. ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Hmm. Eh. _Hmm._ OK. Hmm. _Wow_. Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 13:41:07 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis SteveV writes: >I'd still choose _Warpaint_ to get people hooked on Happy, but >_Equipoise_ is definitely not a disappointment. I dunno, 'Runners' is a *very* catchy song. I can't get it out of my mind. I have been humming it *all day* today. :) So I slipped my original Ecto tape to my walkman to escape!! :) :) [BTW, just had a look at it, and it's hard to believe that only 2 years ago that was the only format to get Happy's music, the home-made tape is *so* darn cute. Does anybody know if they *still* make them?] Angelos 'I can see the day, yes, I can see the day'-hTr ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1993 11:53:46 CST From: Subject: Totally tubular but only partly watched and other stories Last night, I got home quite late from a somewhat raucous public hearing WRT an (erroneously) alleged proposal to deep-six the bus routes which form the main umbilical from my abode to the rest of Spaceship Earth (or at least the city of Chicago). As a result, I slept completely through Melissa Etheridge's appearance on Arsenio Hall. (Knowing me, that may have occurred in any event, but I digress :-). ) Anybody know what went down? By morning, I was lucid again while _CBS This Morning_ was on. I heard the announcement that Shawn Colvin would be on in the next half hour, and worked hard to get through the bathroom faster than usual, fearing all along that that's precisely when she'd be on. I made it out, and waited patiently through an interview with the new White House chef and the local news until Shawn finally materialized. She was asked how the Grammy for _Steady On_ had impacted her life, and she said that professionally it was an honor, and personally it sent a message to the teachers et al. who, years before, had predicted that she wouldn't amount to much. Asked about how Joni Mitchell had influenced her career, she said that when she was 13 or 14 a friend had recom- mended the _Clouds_ album to her, that she enjoyed not only it, but the dis- cographies of Laura Nyro and the other great women of '60s music, and the rest was history. Asked how _Fat City_ differed from the first album, she said it was fatter, and also cited one other difference that I don't remember. She ended by performing an acoustic song that, having never listened to that album as yet, I can't identify. I think Happy could perform creditably on that show. WRT the discussion of Nu Shooz in these pages recently: Posters have lately sprouted in the subway touting the film _Point of No Return_, the American knockoff of _La Femme Nikita_ starring Bridget Fonda. My first thought was apprehension of what they might revive for title music :-). WRT Vickie's account of Happy's personal note to her in the CD booklet: during our conversation in the park the other day, she showed it to me, and I recognized the handwriting, to my delight, as identical to the addressing on the mailer in which my copy came. Needless to say, I still have it :-). Today's etymology tidbit: I once read somewhere that the Aussie slang "Pom" for the English has its roots in the national genesis itself, as a penal colony. It comes from the acromym for "Prisoners of His or her Majesty" (thoug h I'm sure the original wasn't as gender-inclusive as that). The thoughts expressed in Chris Boek's .sig epigraph did not originate with Tom Baker, BTW. Years earlier, the late Oscar Levant made his famous pronun- cement, "There is a thin line between genius and insanity--and I have erased that line." The soap star who covered David Essex's "Rock On" was Michael Damian of _The Young and the Restless_, not Rick Springfield of _General Hospital_. Yesterday Vickie said WRT "Save Our Souls:" >Yes, I agree that the slant of the song is "why? we can't even take >care of ourselves" which made my first thought of "hey we ought to >send this to the folks who put the project together" to "uh, maybe >that's not such a good idea." It is a bit cynical. I *love* how the >voices sing the line "save our souls." And then I said, about which Kristi in turn said: >> WRT sending "Save Our Souls" to the people in charge of the Voyager project, >> or not: How about a second opinion from Kristi, our resident NASA hand? >Huh? What? Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread. Do you mind >filling me in? Whatcha need? It is the apparent indecision expressed in Vickie's statement that I was talking about, Kristi. WRT Sam's query about Edgar and Clyde: The documentary in question took the position that the late, longtime FBI director J. Edgar Hoover and his chief deputy, Clyde Tolson, were MOTSS SO's (a gay couple, for those not heavily into Netspeak), and that this fact enabled the Mafia to blackmail JEH into not directing the Bureau's efforts against organized crime to any great extent. This is considered especially ironic, since Hoover was notorious for his alleged practice of using his secret dossiers to blackmail a variety of public officials and other public figures, including Martin Luther King. Off to my probable last chance to see _Bodies of Evidence_ before it drops off the edge of the Earth (arguably the first Guilty Pleasure I've owned up to in these pages :-) ). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 11:38:14 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Hi, Neile Neile writes: > So here I am. I, for one, am glad you are! :) > To change the subject (again) I guess no one else is interested in _The > Ectophiles Guide to Good Music_. Ah well. I'll just file it away in the > (large) closet marked ideas which seemed great to Neile but no one else. No, such a Guide is a great idea ... but would require an effort too similar to 'work' for my lazy brain! :) ======================================================================== From: special K Subject: Re: Totally tubular but only partly watched and other stories Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 16:58:16 EST > Yesterday Vickie said WRT "Save Our Souls:" > >Yes, I agree that the slant of the song is "why? we can't even take > >care of ourselves" which made my first thought of "hey we ought to > >send this to the folks who put the project together" to "uh, maybe > >that's not such a good idea." It is a bit cynical. I *love* how the > >voices sing the line "save our souls." > And then Mitch said, about which Kristi in turn said: >>> WRT sending "Save Our Souls" to the people in charge of the Voyager project, >>> or not: How about a second opinion from Kristi, our resident NASA hand? > >Huh? What? Sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this thread. Do you mind > >filling me in? Whatcha need? and *finally* Mitch said: > It is the apparent indecision expressed in Vickie's statement that I was > talking about, Kristi. Ahh! OK, I get it now. I don't think those humor impaired ole boys over there would understand your point, Vickie. :) special K ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)