Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #430 ecto, Number 430 Wednesday, 10 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Rock On Remake Re: my best albums of '92 never start a line with "From" Re: Ingrid Karklins et al. Re: My dog got three legs... Re: Save Our Souls I'm Still Waiting Navigator/ new list member The Void (i.e., my mailbox) Happy Rhodes Equi Poise The reindustrialization of ecto and other stories ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: Re: Rock On Remake Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 12:57:49 EST Hi! Wasn't that Rock On remake in question done by the guy who played a rock star on the soap opera The Young And The Restless? Can't remember his name, but it came out in 1987 or 1988 and was quite big with the teenie crowd.... and sounded remarkably like the original. Meredith meth@aol.com ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: Re: my best albums of '92 Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 12:59:45 EST Hi! I thought Elton John came out as bisexual in a Rolling Stone interview in the early 70s- didn't it cause a HUGE controversy when it happened? Or am I just hallucinating again? Meredith meth@aol.com ======================================================================== Subject: never start a line with "From" From: klaus@inphobos.w.open.de (Cosmic Vagabond) Date: Tue, 09 Feb 93 23:21:27 GMT Oops, I made the mistake to use the word "From" at the beginning of a line in my last message, so the digester cut it off. Here is the missing part: Vickie asked: > Dr. Toby Mountian did the digital mastering of Equipoise. Kevin said > he *loved* it. Mountain is quite well-known in his field. He's worked > for Rycodisc, I know. Does anyone else know more about him? What things > he's worked on specifically? (Besides Warpaint, that is.) >>>>>From the quote-sheet which was in the promo-kit in "Warpaint" times: "...Musically and sonically one of the best projects we've done all year..." Dr. Toby Mountain Northeastern Digital Recording: (Bowie, Zappy, Rykodisc) and ... > article. Right now, the *very* important thing they're doing is a > compilation album. It will be a regular feature, sent to all AA radio > stations, and they just released their first one. Happy's "Runners" > is on there (Kevin said it was track 11 out of 17.) Kevin reeled off > the names of the other 16 artists on the compilation but I didn't > write them down. 10,000 Maniacs were on there, so was Bel Canto's > "Shimmering Warm and Bright." WOW!!! If this should become available in the stores (will it ever get there, or is it just for radio stations???) please let me know! This is definitely something I would like to get. ... and something new as well ... Michael, what have you done! > "Love is Like Oxygen" and "Things We do for Love Fame". I had You just mentioned the first title and I can't get the melody out of my head. Reminded by the wonderful analogy of "Love is like oxygen", I noticed that "Equipoise" has a similar effect, although the lack of the album as well as an overdose of it seem to result in motorial problems when using the keyyyyyyyyboard. Oops, make that the lack of Equipoise on my side. :) ___________________________________________________________ ( "Tell me all the plans you have for the great beyond. ) ) Will you be physical again, or be a cosmic vagabond." ( / --- Happy Rhodes --- \ / Klaus "cosmic vagabond" Kluge klaus@inphobos.w.open.de \ > Unfortunately she's not playing New York anytime soon- sorry woj. :( Fortunately, I know the guy who set up the show (Cliff Furnald from WPKN, who is Way Cool), so I should be able to get information on upcoming tours and albums no problem. Meredith meth@aol.com ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Ingrid Karklins et al. Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 13:33:38 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi, Meredith says (Re: ingrid karklins): >This tour lasts all week- she'll be in Boston >tonight, and I strongly recommend that any area Ectophile find out where >she's playing and go. She deserves all the recognition she can get! Now, couldn't you have said that she really sucked, and please oh please don't waste your time and money to go see her? :) Now I will *have* to go, since she's playing about 4 blocks from where I live. Reminder that's the Middle East Upstairs on Massachusetts Avenue. Ob whine: Why do work overloads always happen at the wrong times? On a different subject, since discussion of the Crying game was quite interesting (let me add that I thought it was wise that the 'secret' was kept, because it added an element of surprise and made you trace back through the movie for hints, thereby making the film impact more dramatic), let me also recommend 'Europa Europa', which I saw on video last night, and was once again a truly wonderful film. And on another different subject, regarding 'Out like a lamb'. When Mitch first mailed me his Vern/Lecter connection, I thought he was joking, but then I rethought it, and the song *could* be about Clarice and Hannibal. The wonders of Happy's lyrics in their story-telling phase is that they are subject to multiple interpretations. I think it's time for us to request an explicit song-by-song description from her, to see what she thought of when writing them. Or I guess we can wait for the Rolling Stone interview! :) And finally, most songs on Equipoise are very visual. I hope that this is reflected on the video(s)!! BTW Bob, which song will be the first official Happy video. 'Runners'? That's all for now! Angelos 'i steppie in between the molecules to get a better look at you'-Happy Rhodes ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 10:37:05 PST From: tsai@ikos.com (Finney T. Tsai) Subject: Re: My dog got three legs... :> :> It definitely will. According to kd, she's left country music forever. kd did :> a great version of Cole Porter's "So In Love" on the _Red, Hot, and Blue_ :> compilation album. She said that it was that song that made things fit into :> place as to what her new sound would be. Have you heard it, Steve? Also, :> _Barefoot_ from her feature film "Salmonberries" runs along the same musical :> vein as her new stuff. As far as I know, _Barefoot_ is only available on her :> home video "Harvest of Seven Years: Cropped and Chronicled". :> :> special K :> Just a quick question. Guess everybody knows that kd had cooperated with Jane Siberry. However, has anybody ever heard of kd and Suzanne Vega had been trying to work on a new album? Or it's just a rumor? -finney --------------------------- Where's the ocean Where's the moments I once knew inside my heart? -- Toni Childs ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 09:52:22 PST From: stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) Subject: Re: Save Our Souls Actually, I recall that Pioneer 10 and 11 carried just a plaque with a symbolic map of the solar system, its position with respect to several nearby quasars, and the sample Earth inhabitants (people of nudity :-) ). The Voyager spacecraft each carried a record (gold-anodized aluminum instead of vinyl) containing sounds and encoded pictures, and a plaque with simple diagrams explaining how to use a stylus to read its contents. I definitely do not recall any attempts to launch CDs into space. The reason that a phonograph record was chosen for the Voyagers is that it is simple enough that one could hope even a radically different culture could figure out how to extract things from it. A CD, on the other hand, is both more sensitive to damage and less obviously encoded; also imagine drawing a simple diagram explaining how to use a laser, a microprocessor, a D-A converter, and an amplifier to extract its contents, assuming that the user of the diagram isn't from your planet :-). But back to a real Ecto topic: I listened to Equipoise about twice through last night while making a tape of it. It seemed less dramatic than Warpaint, but I wasn't listening to it on headphones, either. Now that I have a tape I can listen to it with my walkman and get a different take on it. ======================================================================== From: special K Subject: Re: My dog got three legs... Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 13:41:07 EST finney said: > Just a quick question. Guess everybody knows that kd had cooperated > with Jane Siberry. However, has anybody ever heard of kd and Suzanne > Vega had been trying to work on a new album? Or it's just a rumor? I'm not the final authority on kd, but I haven't heard this. From where did you hear this rumor, finney? special K ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Ingrid Karklins et al. Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 18:48:32 BST On Wed, 10 Feb 93 at 13:33:38 EST, Angelos Kyrlidis wrote: > The wonders of Happy's lyrics in their story-telling phase is that they > are subject to multiple interpretations. One of the many reasons we love her so much. > I think it's time for us to > request an explicit song-by-song description from her, to see what she > thought of when writing them. Please, no! That would ruin a lot of the fun of us all coming up with our own ideas as to what the songs mean. I think having a "definitive view" of a song's meaning given by Happy herself would tend to inhibit our creative tendencies. Does anybody who has had more contact with her know if Happy has a pronounced view on the question of authorial intent? Does she view her original meaning when writing it as the only valid way to understand a song, or is she happy for people to find other interpretations that speak to them? -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk Subject: Re: Save Our Souls Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 18:53:50 BST On Wed, 10 Feb 93 at 09:52:22 PST, stevev@miser.uoregon.edu (Steve VanDevender) wrote: > Actually, I recall that Pioneer 10 and 11 carried just a plaque > with a symbolic map of the solar system, its position with > respect to several nearby quasars, and the sample Earth > inhabitants (people of nudity :-) ). The Voyager spacecraft each > carried a record (gold-anodized aluminum instead of vinyl) > containing sounds and encoded pictures, and a plaque with simple > diagrams explaining how to use a stylus to read its contents. > > I definitely do not recall any attempts to launch CDs into space. My recollection agrees with Steve's. I don't think at the time that the Voyager's were launched that CD was even an option, though some form of analogue laser disk technology might have been. These craft have been travelling through space for a very long time by now! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Ingrid Karklins et al. Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 14:08:20 EST From: Angelos Kyrlidis Hi again, Steve F. writes: >Please, no! That would ruin a lot of the fun of us all coming up with >our own ideas as to what the songs mean. I think having a "definitive >view" of a song's meaning given by Happy herself would tend to inhibit >our creative tendencies. But aren't you curious to see what *she* thinks? I know *I* am. :) >Does anybody who has had more contact with her know if Happy has a >pronounced view on the question of authorial intent? Does she view her >original meaning when writing it as the only valid way to understand a >song, or is she happy for people to find other interpretations that >speak to them? I am speaking for myself, but judging from the experience I have had dissecting and 'destroying' some of Happy's art (see Alice in the ecto-floss ad, and the computer-aided colorically messed up gifs) and her response which was positive (I guess she was politely amused :) ) I am guessing that she is quite open to interpretations (as IMHO most artists should be). Even if she isn't I doubt she'd send the thought police out to harass people with different interpretations. :) Re: Disc of gold. I think the one on the Voyagers is a laserdisk. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: 10 Feb 93 14:16:23 EST From: Mike Mendelson Subject: I'm Still Waiting Well, it should be here any day now I figure... > To Vickie, with love and support, Happy Does it really say this in the credits? Wow! No mention (specifically) of ecto this time though, ay? -mjm ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 11:57:12 PST From: "John M. Relph" Subject: Re: I'm Still Waiting >> To Vickie, with love and support, Happy > >Does it really say this in the credits? Wow! I don't remember seeing this... By inference you should have noticed that I must have received my copy of _Equipoise_. YES. I like it, especially "He Will Come" and "Cohabitants", the latter is very disturbing, but I like the part where the cohabitor says "and TAKE NOTES". I also like "The Flight" and the little batbird graphic. It looks like a dove; what are we to infer? And... Happy autographed it, writing "Maybe I'll make it to the West Coast this time". Bonus! Thanks Vickie! (For turning me on to Happy.) When I first heard "Out Like a Lamb" I was cooking dinner, half-listening, and I thought perhaps, from the few words I could make out, that it was actually autobiographical, which is to say that the "he" of whom Happy is singing was actually Happy, and the singer was a fictional persona. But I see that I am wrong. Peace, -- John ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 15:18:34 -0500 From: jim@medinah.atc.ucarb.com Subject: Navigator/ new list member Hello, Everyone! Many thanks to Vickie and her notes on RDT. I have only gotten Warpaint to this point ( I found it at a Sound Warehouse in Houston), but I can see I will have to acquire all her music. I don't have a favorite ( every time I listen a different song grabs me, right now Wrong Century is in my head). >From: kiri >I also really love Laurie Freeloves Smells like Truth. In fact >on the last gift project my selection was Arms of a Dream. The >song makes me cry every time I listen to it. The album is >inconsistent, but the songs I like are _very_ powerful - at least >*i* think they are :) I love this album. I'll have to listen again, because I memory is that I loved the whole album. I saw her do some songs on the Mountain Stage Radio show and was extremely impressed by her. I wonder if she has any other music out. >Does ANYONE have a copy of the film The Navigator??? It was >directed by Vincent Ward, and filmed in New Zealand. I probably have a copy of this somewhere. I know 2 of my local video store carry it. The way I would suggest you get it, is through Home Film Festival which rents and sells a great collection of videos through the mail. Their phone number is 800-258-FILM (3456). Their hours use to be 8 am - 9 pm eastern M-F, 12-6 Sat. The hours have changed slightly, but I don't have the new hours written down. Please mention my name. Jim Sturnfield jim@medinah.atc.ucarb.com (304) 722-2662 ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 10 Feb 93 15:45:43 EST Subject: The Void (i.e., my mailbox) First some poetry - The Mailbox Lament (a work in progress) Mailbox! Taunting me with your silent emptiness! When will you fill me with HappYness! Mailbox! When will the garden of my dreams grow, only when my ears are filled with Equipoise! Mailbox! Why do I want a rhyme with lox? - Michael B. (Whose poetry is considered a crime in many states!) ******** As you may guess I'm still Equipoise-less. Maybe those of us still without should form a support group! ******** To supplement the upcoming HOMEGROUND mention of Happy (that I think Vickie mentioned), I'll write up something for the next issue Watching Storms (The American Kate Bush Society Fanzine) about Happy. A friend of mine whose also in the group listed some reviews of three of Happy's albums she found in the current issue, after I mentioned Happy to her. She suggested that people may want to check her out! Why didn't I think of that? Next issue I'll definitely put something in! I woke up in the middle of the morning last night and listened to Warpaint with headphones for the first time! It was definitely a different experience from just over the speakers! I'm so in love with the song WWMFC! (I love all the songs now, but that one stands out for me.) "Reach inside your chest, and pull your feelings out!" I love it! Too many exclamation points! - Michael B. ("It's so easy to fall in love!" - Buddy Holly) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Feb 93 13:33:46 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Happy Rhodes Equi Poise I've been enjoying my copy of the CD, and the tape dub sounds GREAT at high volume in the car. IMHO, the entire collection of songs form a wonderful whole, like an operatic cycle or a soundtrack. And i love the photo (with the stunt ducks) inside the back cover of the booklet -- just above the gold autograph :) Mp! ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1993 14:23:50 CST From: Subject: The reindustrialization of ecto and other stories Yesterday afternoon, I was walking out of the public library when whom should I run into, but the one, the only, the EctoMa herself, Vickie. We stopped and spake for a goodly while, about Equipoise, other ecto- and Happy-related phen- omena, and even some completely unrelated phenomena, as all the while I had, as she did not, a view of the cops busting some guy--_jais sais ne quoi pour_:-)-- elsewhere in the park in which we were sitting, across the street from the li- brary. Late in the conversation, I observed that I'd have to give some thought to what New Product Ideas I could extract from the new album. She pulled out her Equipoise CD out of her ubiquitous bag whereof she spake a couple days ago, pondered the list of track titles on the back cover, and spontaneously came up with a few. Subsequently, I think I've been able to come up with a few more. Submitted, in the great words of Rod Serling, for your approval: RUNNERS antidiahrreal medication [Vickie's idea] RUNNERS magazine on issues in environment, health, consumerism, and perhaps running [my idea] HE WILL COME pre-mix aphrodisiacs for men [mine] GABRIELLE DANCING ON THE ROCKS another entry, albeit of indeterminate formula at this point, in the ecto school of mixology [mine] THE FLIGHT magazine for airline seat pockets [mine] OUT LIKE A LAMB high-speed movers [mine--she may also have thought of something on this, but I forget what it was, if anything] TEMPORARY AND ETERNAL burial vaults [hers] COHABITANTS roommate referral service--for people with strange quirks, and people willing to put up with them (cf. Bridget Fonda and Jennifer Jason Leigh in _Single White Female_ :-) ) [mine] PLAY THE GAME advertising agency for state lotteries [mine] MOTHER SEA flotation tanks [mine] I SAY answering machines [hers, if I remember correctly] and, of course, EQUIPOISE scales for the bathroom, doctor's office, produce section, etc [mine] While we're on the subject of _Single White Female_, does anyone have either knowledge or recommendations WRT the new album by Mood Swings? It has a song from said movie, with a guest vocal by Chrissie Hynde. While we're on the subject of whether sundry records are any good: WRT Steve and Jim's colloquy, within the last several months I have heard fragments not only of Belly's new album, but of the Boo Radleys' eponymous (I think) album as well played at Blackout Records, and liked both well enough to buy them, if not to go to herculean lengths--yet, anyway--to drop everything else and listen to them :-) WRT Happy's "I know you" line to Bob: might the simple explanation, as much of a letdown from the mystique as it might be, be that she recognized Bob from the audience, especially since he was seated next to her parents? This so-called "small world" phenomenon is actually nothing new or rare; the noted social psychologist Stanley Milgram, _inter alia_, has published a good deal on this topic. I myself recently had an experience in the same vein: At a meeting of an organization a couple of weeks ago, I met a man who, it turned out, was a coworker of my father's several decades ago. I subsequently related this experience to another attendee, who went on to say that the man had also been coworker of _her_ father even earlier. Ask the man who knows: social networks can get quite intricate with all their direct and indirect connections. So as the spider said to the fly :-), Bob, welcome to the ecto web of affiliations (groups and individuals). WRT song times: I figured them out by putting my player into pause mode, set the time display mode to the time remaining per track, and then simply moved the fast forward to the beginning of each track. I got identical times to Jessica's, except that "The Flight" came out one second shorter for me, at 4:52. I also got 6:48, instead of her 6:16, for "Out Like A Lamb," but I assume that's her typo since the next one has the same time for us both. WRT OLAL: Angelos, I've got news for you: I really _was_ joking when I speculated about Hannibal (not Clarice, actually). By an odd coincidence, ther e was a movie on the cable last night, which I of course didn't see since I don 't have cable; but I read the review in the paper. It was about a man who aims his camcorder out the window (he may have been laid up with something, I don't remember), and thinks he sees a murder, but nobody believes him, so he ropes his girlfriend (Heather Locklear) into helping him make the case. This, of course, is a ripoff of _Rear Window_, just as I connected it to this inter- pretation of OLAL. Clearly, the plot has stood the test tof time. Quoth Jeff: >Um, no, Elton John is actuall gay, not bisexual in the strict sense. You learn something new every day :-). All part of ecto's unique charm. WRT sending Marvin Camras a sampler: just be sure it's on tape :-). In the strict sense, he's not a reader of this list, but then again, neither is Happy. WRT sending "Save Our Souls" to the people in charge of the Voyager project, or not: How about a second opinion from Kristi, our resident NASA hand? I'm trying to remember if _The Navigator_ is the film I passed up on my last visit to Washington in favor of the premiere, at the Biograph in Georgetown, of an independent film produced locally, which spoofed crime B-flicks of the 50's. They had a great party afterward at the restaurant next door. Was _The Nav_ about a couple of guys who got involved with time travel? I once saw such a film reviewed, but it may have been made in Scandinavia. WRT other recordings by Laurie Freelove: No other solo albums yet, but there are records by her with the rest of her old group, Two Nice Girls. Mitch Pravatiner ----------------------------- "For he is an Englishman, For he iiiis an Ennnglishmannn" --Gilbert and Sullivan, _HMS Pinafore_ (to reassure Steve that there are other ethnic appelations flung across The Pond, not all pejorative) "Overfed, oversexed, and over here" --Common WWII British appelation for the 8th U.S. Army Air Force (to remind us all that it can be a two-way street :-)) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)