Errors-To: owner-ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #412 ecto, Number 412 Tuesday, 2 February 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Ectophiles do it.... Summary so far You win some, you lose some and other stories a flood of digests... Musical Hall of Shame Had to share my good news Various Things Re: Happy rumor from a record store Andre the Giant ... Re: Musical Hall of Shame HaPpY Birthday non-Ecto-birthdays long sentences White House music library updated I'm back Hello out there! Re: HaPpY Birthday Re: You win some, you lose some and other stories ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 16:17:35 EST From: markp@serpens.sbi.com (Mark P*) Subject: Ectophiles do it.... Summary so far I said I would compile, so here is the list so far: Ectophiles do it with a :) (me) Ectophiles do it with Equipoise ?!? (me) Ectophiles do it outside (Ecto=outside/External)(Sam Warren) Ectophiles do it 'Til the dawn breaks (Angelos) Ectophiles do it waking up (Angelos) Ectophiles do it feeding the fire (Angelos) Ectophiles do it in phobos (Angelos) Ectophiles do it under and over the brink (Angelos) Ectophiles do it in hiding (Angelos) Ectophiles do it with poetic justice (Angelos) Ectophiles do it Happily ... (or Happy-ly) ... (Chris Boek & Mitch) Ectophiles do it with Happyness. (Chris Boek) Ectophiles do it Happy (Jessica) Ectophiles do it possessed (Greg) Ectophiles do it many nights (Greg) Ectophiles do it not awake, not asleep (Greg) Ectophiles do it off from out from under (Greg) Ectophiles do it in warpaint (Greg) Ectophiles do it, would that I could (Greg) (if so, i don't want to hear it ;) Any more? Apologies if I missed anyones offering, please email it to me. Ciao for now, Marc Power markp@sbi.com P.S. Greg Bossert does it with a Footah (hey! what *is* a footah Greg?) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 01 Feb 93 15:49:08 CST From: Rhodes scholar of a different sort Subject: You win some, you lose some and other stories Miraculously, I was awake Friday when k.d. lang sang "Black Coffee" (an appropriate song for the likes of I) on the Tonight show Friday night. She said something particularly witty to Leno, which I made a mental note of, but have since forgotten. I soon reverted to my usual somnolent ways for Shawn Colvin's appearance either on the same show, or on Letterman right after :-('; but I did see the clips of kdl on Bob Costas' anniversary special the next night, in which they showed the video of her and Roy Orbison performin g "Crying" together. Saturday, I made a special detour en route to my traditional Saturday afternoon pilgrimage to the cinema, to mail my advance order for _Equipoise_ from the main post office, in the hope of starting it on its way earlier than if it sat in the corner mailbox over the weekend. It is clear that I am as suscep- tible as the next person to the blandishments of bonus pictures and related inserts. I was intrigued by Vickie's disclosure of her onetime devotion to "classic rick" (sic) on the radio. Did there used to be an Ozzie and Harriet Channel on the cable, or what? :-) A long, long time ago, albeit apparently shorter ago than That Music was making Don McLean smile, I happened to read a marriage manual, as they were called back then, from the 1910's, which at one point made the statement, "to the pure all things are pure." I have always assumed that this was their way of saying that sex is not dirty, in view of what the _zeitgeist_ must have been back then . What made me think of it again after all these years was the recent discussi on of so-called guilty pleasures in these pages. I've concluded that I don't really have any guilty pleasures, because there are no aspects of my highly eclectic tastes in music that I feel guilty about. True, there are certain recordings that I've enjoyed over the years which I feel no urgency about advertising, for fear of my taste being taken less seriously therafter by the rest of this electronic peer group; but that doesn't mean I feel guilty about them. Those who know me well know that my likings when it comes to recorded sound often seem to be a gigameter wide and a picometer deep :-), so you can rest assured that I'm not _unreasonably_ devoted to any of the empty calories for the ear that seem to top the charts a lot of the time. What a pleasant trip down memory lane it was, going through the files of a year ago and more, revisiting that which concerned us then, to get at my product postings. Amazing, isn't it, how imaginative I could be back then :-). One of these days I hope to look some more, in hope of locating the ideas I came up with subsequently for the great ecto industrial machine--neat stuff like Fizzy Blue Ecto-Seltzer, Ecto Shave and its associated road signs, and-- of course--the All Things Insurance Agency, exclusive sales agent for the Meow Eow Eo life and health plans for cats :-); not to mention those living icons, ballplayer Orel Gratification and supermodel Linda Happyvangelista :-). Thought at large: If Happy were ever to marry Kevin, would it then be possible to publish the lyric fragments from people's .sig lines in book form, under the title _Mrs. Bartlett's Familiar Quotations_? :-) Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 17:35:55 EST From: woj@remus.rutgers.edu (l.l. cool bean) Subject: a flood of digests... ...just flung themselves in to my mailbox. jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu sez: >I just got back from seeing Kitchens of Distinction and Suzanne Vega at >the Lisner Auditorium of George Washington University. WOW. as (di)meth(ylpropane) mentioned, i was at the university of hartford show last saturday. i was also at the opening night of the tour in poughkeepsie, ny. the u of h show was much better - or at least, i thought it was anyways. i had some minor quibbles: it was too short, she didn't play enough songs from _days of open hand_. but i also have some good reactions: she likes to play with the way that the songs are rendered live, she's finally got a stage presence, she's given up on that homeless waif image. the band was excellent both nights. go go go. meth@aol.com sez: >Also disappointing was the omission of "Gypsy" from the set list she played it in poughkeepsie as a second encore. if you yell and scream enough, she'll come out. she may make a comment about having no other songs prepared though... ;) jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu sez: >The particulars: The band is called Ruby Blue, and they may or may not >be from Scotland yup, they are scottish. they had a track on the fifth doctor death's compilation which i absolutely adored called "so unlike me." that track, at least, sounds a lot like a shimmering version of emerson, lake and palmer sans the keyboards. electroacoustic, if you will. rebecca's voice sounds like greg lake too, fo some reason...this was one of my fave tracks on the compilation in fact and i'm jealous that you found an album of theirs! WretchAwry sez: >That makes me feel better about admitting mine. I used to be a... >(ah, dare I say it?)...Black Sabbath fan. and what's wrong with that? once upon a time, they were pretty great. sometimes, they still are in fact. they had a release a few years ago which i really liked. a lot. and the years when dio was in the band are golden. speaking of dio, did you know that he used to be in a doowap band in cortland, ny? they called themselves ronnie and the redcaps. i've heard the tapes - they were not that bad... my guilty pleasure? nu shooz. i still like them. cheesy synth pop with a female singer melts my heart everytime. Angelos Kyrlidis sez: >I played my Albany tape over and over this >weekend (actually 'Mother Sea', 'He will come' and 'The flight') i think that cycle of songs is what i'm most looking forward too of the entire album. that taste of them on the albany tape is so tantilizing. i think i'll go listen to tis right now in fact... the check's in the mail... woj ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Musical Hall of Shame Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 11:08:34 EST My mailbox has 56 messages in it this morning. How am I ever going to get any work done ... ? Oh well, that's what you get for having a public holiday I suppose ... Three days worth of mail at once. Guilty Pleasures, Guilty Secrets ... sounds a bit like a romance novel ... (not that I've read any so I don't actually know ...) Aaannyway. The only 'Guilty Pleasure' that springs to mind is that I quite like the first two albums by A-ha (I haven't heard any others). I picked up Scoundrel Days in a record bin for $2 many years ago (when you could still buy records ...) and I like it. I do own some things that I'm embarrassed to own, but it was usually because I bought it on a whim (because I liked the cover, or because it was cheap ...) and discovered to be extremely bad (IMHO naturally *:) ). John Illsey's 'Glass' was one. Maybe I should listen to it again ... it could just have been a bad day ... Chris (who's gonna buy a money order TODAY for Equipoise ...) -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1993 16:25:30 -0800 (PST) From: Neile Graham Subject: Had to share my good news Hello everyone. Had to share my news: I picked up our mail today and guess what I found there (no not _Equipoise_ yet)--a letter accepting my second book of poems for publication!! It's from a small press in London, Ontario, Canada, and they'll be publishing it in fall of 1994. It's a long wait, but average for publishers. The letter was very complimentary about my work--a *great* ego boost, especially as this book has been twelve years in the making, since my first book was accepted in fall of 1981. And by the way, copies of that are still available for $6.95 from the author. ;) Wow. I'm on cloud nine. Oh, yeah, it's called _Spells for Clear Vision_ and I really hope that Happy wouldn't say that it filled her ears with parasites, but rather that it proved that words weren't made for cowards. Damn, I'm excited. --Neile Congratulations accepted at neile@u.washington.edu ;) ======================================================================== From: meth@aol.com Subject: Various Things Date: Mon, 01 Feb 93 21:34:53 EST Hi! Actually, I can picture Happy singing on an Andreas Vollenweider album... he does use vocalists upon occasion- they don't sing words per se, but I think her voice would be rather suited for that. Not that I'd jump up for joy to see it happen, mind you- I agree, it's not her scene at all. But my dad would sure be impressed! :> I think her REALLY BIG NEWS has to do with a tour. I can't see her and Kevin as the marrying type and a pregnancy would be ill-timed at this point And Andreas Vollenweider isn't *that* big. Watch her prove us all wrong and come up with something completely different. Sent money in for _Equipoise_ today- I'm really on pins and needles now. I wonder if the fact that WXPN has a copy means that other radio stations will get one this week too- and if WESU will be one of them. And if so, if the Music Directors will deem it worthy of inclusion in the New Release rack. :P I do know someone who has a copy of the album, and is raving about it- apparently he's counted three religious experiences so far. :> I don't know if I've mentioned him here before- he's on GEnie, and is trying to get on Internet soon. He lives in the Philly area, on the selfsame street Susanne White grew up on, and discovered Happy via "Feed The Fire" and WXPN. He met her at the 21st Century Sound signing in July, and the moment Happy saw him she said, "I know you". Apparently they have some past-life connection or other... anyway, it's his birthday this week and Happy sent him an _Equipoise_ as a present. I'd forwarded Happy's essay on the album title to him, and he was quite impressed, and thought it appropriate to infuse me with a hefty dose of great green gobs of jealousy in return. :> He's also the guy who will be in charge of the videos, should they finally decide to make some in support for this album. He really wants to get on ecto, and I hope he manages it soon. Until then, I'm keeping him up to date. (Much appreciation to you all for being so kind and supportive following yesterday's admissions on my part....;) Meredith meth@aol.com In Memoriam: Andre The Giant (I heard two stockboys in the supermarket today lamenting his untimely death- I have no clue when this actually happened, I just figured it merited a mention somewhere) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 1 Feb 93 21:50:14 EST From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Happy rumor from a record store John says: >A friend said he saw _The Cook, The Thief, His Wife, and Her Lover_ on >video and it was amazing how much of the film had been lost by the >"pan-and-scan" method of cutting large format film down to video >aspect ratio. I would DEFINITELY recommend SKIPPING the video and >seeing it ONLY at a theatre, at least until they reissue the video in >"letterbox" format, to preserve the aspect ratio of the original film. >I say this because Peter Greenaway uses the entire frame of the film >when he composes each and every scene. By losing the left- and >right-most portions of the film, one loses much of the composition. A >crying shame. i second that recommendation -- the visual aspects of this movie are extraordinarily rich and strange, but simply too complex for normal video reproduction. >A friend and I went to see _Prospero's Books_ in San Francisco, in >what is supposed to be the hip and gay part of town, and we were >shocked by how many people DISLIKED the movie. The guy three seats to >our left cried out in relief at actually surviving three hours of >torture, all the women in the women's loo said they didn't like it, >and that was pretty much the concensus of the crowd. Except us, we >loved it. It is visually amazing, has great pacing, the books >themselves are wonderful, the entire film was just packed with >imagery, and the concept of the play brought to life in this way was >a tribute to Shakespeare's lasting genius (as well as to Greenaway's >current genius). i concur again. i enjoyed "the cook et al" and "drowning by numbers", but "prospero's books" is definitely my favorite -- not the least because it _is_ a great interpretation of "the tempest", which is one of my favorite plays :) but what was John doing in the women's loo? :) foo/tah -greg -- bossert@vizlab.rutgers.edu -- == i have never been afraid to change == Happy == the circumstances of the world == Rhodes ======================================================================== From: boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au (Christopher Boek) Subject: Andre the Giant ... Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 14:18:29 EST Meth (may I call you Meth ... ?) says ... > > In Memoriam: Andre The Giant (I heard two stockboys in the supermarket today > lamenting his untimely death- I have no clue when this actually happened, I > just figured it merited a mention somewhere) > Gee, I hadn't heard this. Andre the Giant will live forever in glory in the film of all time 'The Princess Bride'. Top of my list of favourite films ever. May he RIP. Chris. P.S. Bugger I can't think of any good PB quotes off the top of my head - it's been far too long since I've seen it. P.P.S I've been reading Bram Stoker's Dracula after having seen the film. It's really good - the world from a late 19th century perspective. I'll want to see the film again once I've finished I reckon. -- | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | ||Christopher Boek - boek@mullian.ee.mu.oz.au | ||| ||| | ||| ||| ||| | || Dept Elec Eng Univ of Melbourne Australia | | | | | | | | | / "Anybody remotely interesting is mad in |___|___|___|___|___|___|___|___| \_/\_/\_/\_/\__/(:*- some way or another" ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Musical Hall of Shame Date: Mon, 01 Feb 93 23:15:33 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu One of the many Chrises (Boek, to be exact!) writes: >Aaannyway. The only 'Guilty Pleasure' that springs to mind is that >I quite like the first two albums by A-ha (I haven't heard any others). >I picked up Scoundrel Days in a record bin for $2 many years ago >(when you could still buy records ...) and I like it. I'd hardly consider a-ha to be shameful. I count their first album amongst my favorites, and have since I bought it in November '85. A definite pop sensibility, but incredibly interesting. I heard _Scoundrel Days_ once or twice when I worked in a record store and it didn't catch my ear; I've heard none of the subsequent albums. The weird thing is that I know lots of people who really like _Hunting High and Low_, which doesn't fit in with their "normal" taste. As for embarassments in _my_ collection? I can't think of any in my CD collection. Records, well...I'll admit that I have Hall & Oates' _Private Eye_ LP from '82. On the shameless side, I won it at a bar mitzvah party. On the shameful side, I actually wanted it. On the shamless side, hey! I was only 13! How could I know any better? Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 10:34:20 +0000 From: Terry Partis Subject: HaPpY Birthday Here's wishing a very Happy Birthday to Tim Devine on February 3rd, Have a great day Tim Peace =============================================================================== _ __ Jolly Hockeysticks _ __ / `-' ( ,,, / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' Terry (Tel Boy) Partis \_.-._( ''' _ __ (tgp@ukc.ac.uk) _ __ / `-' ( ,,, With a smile and a song / `-' ( ,,, | I I ||||||[:::] I'm HaPpY | I I ||||||[:::] \_.-._( ''' \_.-._( ''' YYUR - YYUB - ICURYY4ME ================================================================================ ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 11:38:39 +0100 From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: non-Ecto-birthdays Hi Steve (and all other interested folks), you wanted to have all additions we can provide to your non-Ecto birthday list. Since there are thousands (if not millions) of prominent people, every single day holds a real lot of birthdays. The birthdays below are from a calendar and without any attempt to be complete and in no particular order. There are even some VERY important musicians in it (e.g. Mozart), so at least some of the days are really important. Note that two of the people with January 30 as their birthdays were murdered: Palme and Herrhausen. Uli -------------8<---------------- January 26. Roger Vadin (1928-), French film director Bernhard Vrinetti (1905-), German actor Achim von Arnim (1781-1831), German poet of the Romantics Jean Baptiste Pigalle (1714-1785), French sculptor Paul Newman (1925-), US-American actor and director Nicolae Ceausescu (1918-1989), Romanian politician, head of state 1974-1989 27. Ilja Grigorjewitsch Ehrenburg (1891-1967), Sovjetish author Lewis Caroll (1832-1898), actually Charles Lutwidge Dodgson), English author Friedrich Wilheml Joseph von Schelling (1775-1854), German philosopher Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (1756-1791), Austrian composer Eduard Kuenneke (1885-1953), German composer Wilhelm II. (1859-1941), last German emperor and Prussian king 1888-1918 Willy Fritsch (1901-1973), German film actor Donna Reed (1921-1986), US-American actor 28. Valentin Katajew (1897-1986), Sovjetish author Ernst Lubitsch (1892-1947), German film director Arthur Rubinstein (1887-1982), US-American pianist Colette (1873-1954), French author Jackson Pollock (1912-1956), US-American painter Auguste Piccard (1884-1962), Swiss physicist, deep sea diver Kurt Biedenkopf (1930-), German politician Walter Kollo (1878-1940), German composer 29. Vicente Blasco Ibanez (1867-1928), Spanish naturalistic novelist Romain Rolland (1866-1944), French novelist, dramatist and biograph, Nobel price-winner 1915 (literature) Anton Pawlowitch Tschechow (1860-1904), Russian prose-writing poet and dramatist Emanuel Swedenborg (1688-1772), actually Svedberg, Swedish naturalist and theosoph Peter von Zahn (1913-), German journalist, author of radio dramas, reports, TV documentary plays, books Peter von Siemens (1911-1986), German industrialist 30. Phil Collins (1951-), English pop singer Alfred Herrhausen (1930-1989), German bank manager Olof Palme (1927-1986), Swedish social democratic politician, Prime Minister 1969-1976 and 1982-1986 Franklin Delano Roosevelt (1882-1945) 32rd US-president 1933-1945 Rudolf Caracciola (1901-1959), German car racer Adelbert von Chamisso (1781-1838), German author 31. Beatrix (1983-), Queen of the Netherlands (sincd 1980) Norman Mailer (1923-), US-American author and journalist John O'Hara (1905-1970), US-American story-teller Marie Luise Kaschnitz (1901-1974), German author Theodor Heuss (1884-1963), German liberal politician, first President of the Federal Republic of Germany (1949-1959) Franz Schubert (1797-1828), Austrian composer of the Romantics Hansjoerg Felmy (1931-), German actor February 1. Alfred Grosser (1925-), German-French political scientist and publicist Langston Hughes (1902-1967), US-American author Clark Gable (1901-1960), US-American film actor Hugo von Hofmannsthal (1874-1929), Austrian lyricist, dramatist, story-teller and essayist John Ford (1895-1973), US-American film director Guenter Eich (1907-1972), German lyricist and author of radio dramas 2. Valery Giscard d'Estaing (1926-), French politician, president 1974-1981 James Joyce (1882-1941), Irish author Alfred Brehm (1829-1884), German zoologist and explorer Charles Maurice de Talleyrand (1754-1838), French statesman, government leader after the overthrow of Napoleon Johann Christoph Gottsched (1700-1766, German literature theorist, criticist and language educator ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 11:40:20 +0100 From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: long sentences Mitch says about Vickie's report of finding several records: > As I read the longer of Vickie's posts in today's incoming, it gave me > an odd sense of reassurance to be dethroned as the master craftsman of > run-on senten- ces in these pages. If I can ever figure out which pile > my copy of _Last Exit to Brooklyn_ is buried under, I'll be able to > measure Vickie's screed against what is thus far generally regarded as > the longest single sentence ever pub- lished in American English, to > determine whether she's succeeded in dethroning Hubert Selby as well > :-). I think we shouldn't restrict searching for long sentences to American English. What about British (or Irish, to be precise)? Hi Vickie Joyce Yes James Mapes Yes...;-) Yes Have Joy(ce) Yes Bloom Yes Molly Yes! Bye Yes, Uli (NO!:-) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 11:41:30 +0100 From: Ulrich Grepel Subject: White House music library updated I saw MTV News last Thursday, they said Clinton wants to update the music library of the White House. Wouldn't that be an opportunity to send a package containing the 1st5 (or should we wait a week and say 1st6?) to clinton@white.house.gov? Just a few thoughts, Uli ======================================================================== Subject: I'm back Date: Tue, 02 Feb 93 11:59:48 +0000 From: Stephen Thomas Well folks, I'm back. Jessica, please note my new address: spt@cs.nott.ac.uk My old email address has been set up to forward stuff to this one, so there should be no problems. Now some Happy related stuff. Can Europeans get hold of Equipoise in the usual manner (Send order with local currency, which was how I got the 1st4), or has this changed? Also, how much will it cost for us? Keep well, Stephen, who's head is spinning while learning the ropes of a new job AND getting a new house straightened out with his partner. ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 09:07:32 EST From: ejg@eplrx7.es.dupont.com (Ed Grozalis) Subject: Hello out there! Hello, Let me introduce myself, as well ah... ectoholic! :^) Since early last year I haven't been able to get Happy out of my head. At home or in my car I can't seem to stop myself from playing a Happy CD or tape. In cases of extreme overdose I still can't help listening to Happy sound-a-likes like Kate or Sarah or Jane(Siberry) or Tori. Or music-alikes like Peter(early Gabriel). I was delirious for days after the March concert(I hope she comes again this year) which will burn in my memory as much as the time I saw Peter in Pittsburgh(many years ago)... And now a new CD is announced. I don't if I can handle it. Which one to listen to? Ecto? Warpaint? keyboard sun receptacle light breaker manual coffee monitor mouse telephone densitometer sampling..... My hall of shame piece is recent - Nathalie Archangle. I heard one song (It Don't Heal Clean) on WXPN(U Penn - Philly) and liked it and bought the CD used. Mostly dance music. I would compare it to A-Ha(BIG in Scandanavia I hear) but worse. Birthday is ------ . I hate to be reminded of how old I am. PS. If anyone knows of any job openings in the area(PA,NJ,DE or other) for computer engineers(DigitalH/W, S/W) with 12+ years experience, I may know someone who may be interested. Ed ======================================================================== From: "Michael Blackmore" Date: 2 Feb 93 09:31:29 EST Subject: Re: HaPpY Birthday Tim, Happy birthday to you! Happy birthday dear Tim! Happy birthday to you! And may you have many more! - Michael B. ======================================================================== From: special K Subject: Re: You win some, you lose some and other stories Date: Tue, 2 Feb 93 9:43:22 EST Mitch said: > Miraculously, I was awake Friday when k.d. lang sang "Black Coffee" (an > appropriate song for the likes of I) on the Tonight show Friday night. > She said something particularly witty to Leno, which I made a mental note > of, but have since forgotten. Let's see...was it her true confession of her childhood dream of being on Roller Derby? Her comment about Amazons on wheels? As usual, kd was very entertaining during both her performance and her interview. Has anyone seen her VH-1 "Inside Music" segment? I saw it last night at 8:45 and it was followed by the "Miss Chatelaine" video. kd in drag....:) >I soon reverted to my usual somnolent ways >for Shawn Colvin's appearance either on the same show, or on Letterman right I too was somnolent during Shawn's performance(s? she was on Letterman too?). What did she sing? special K ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)