Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #154 ecto, Number 154 Thursday, 6 February 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Northern tossing some short remarks Ack! Re: some short remarks A note to the elders Just a KaTe/Rocket Man note Shake and Bake fargin more on Wendy Wall More of the Monkees arggh Here's what I first said bout Wendy Wall Rocket Man (it's gonna be a long, long time) ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 10:28:55 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Northern tossing >From woj: > sez: > > In last night's episode of _Northern Exposure_, one of the subplots > >concerned Chris' quest for a cow suitable for tossing. > snort! meredith told me about that. i found out today about something on a > similar line: gazorching. it's an old carngei mellon university tradition > which involves the catapulting of things (pies, rocks, pledges, whatever) > from fraternity to fraternity. Actually what finally was tossed was a burnt-out piano ... harking back to those fuzzy days of the 60's when the great piano drop took place up here in the NorthWest at the Sky River rock festival ... brangngngng ... when a piano was dropped from a helicopter into a country field! p.s ANYone who does not have a copy of the Suspended in Ecto tape: GET ONE NOW!!! It is Wonderful! :) Cheers, Mp ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 13:54:47 EST From: spix%sparc6a@harvard.harvard.edu (Claudia Spix) Subject: some short remarks Hi Mitch and others! Remarkable. Where do you dig up old stuff like this? I mean, this song was as far as I know popular among students during the last thrashings of the old german feudal system at least a century ago. I'm not sure, it could even be Schiller. But I feel the necessity to correct a few of your typos, still think good job for a non-german! I didn't think of it, but it is really a "words weren't made for cowards" type of song. The gist is, you can lock my body up, but not my mind and I still think what I want to! Saying (or singing) these things aloud could get you thrown in a prison in these times. DIE GEDANKEN SIND FREI Die Gedanken sind frei Der kann sie erraten Wer kann sie erraten? Sie friehen vorlei Sie fliegen vorbei Wie necht die verschatten wie naechtliche Schatten Kein Mensch kann sie wissen Kein Jaeger erschiessen Es bleibe dabei Die Gedanken sind frei Es bleibe dabei Die Gedanken sind frei Die Gedanken sind frei My thoughts really flower Mmmh, I don't feel these lines really Die Gedanken sind frei My thoughts give me power get the idea. No scholar can map them No hunter can trap them No man can deny Die Gedanken sind frei No man can deny Die Gedanken sind frei But the rest of it is quite appropriate! Now on a COMPLETELY differnt note: Hi Vickie! I LOVE the fact we have a sort of direct relais station to Happy via your person. And I think maybe I can shed a little bit of light on the she said which puzzle you (picture it as a small candle ;) I was in this childrens choir for a long time, and quite a few of us suffered from stage frigth and nervousness, especially the soloists who had to go stand before the crowd. Our teacher, who had a lot of experience used to say, if all those faces down there make you nervous, stop thinking of them as people! Think of them as just so many cabbages! And it helped! I used to have a good memory and a nice voice (both lost in the mists of time, I guess) so I was picked to deliver endless poems-ballads between the singing. So I, 6 or seven years old, standing in the front of the stage, all the others staring at my back, delivered them faultlessly to a hall full of cabbages! (Luckily my parents didn't insist on sitting in the front rows). Vicckie wrote: >I suggested that Happy bring her guitar and *hide* behind it and her >music. A good suggestion...for someone else. Happy absolutely refuses >to consider it. She said she couldn't play in front of a small group >of people. She's much more confortable on stage. Strangely enough, she >said she feels more anonymous playing in front of a large group of people. >(She said "I'd much rather play in front of 5000 people instead of 50") >She said something suprising and I didn't really question her about it, I >thought I'd wait for another time, and catch her in another mood before >I asked to find out if she truly is serious. Her wit is so dry that it's >sometimes hard to tell if she's joking or not. Anyway, she said that she >defintely did *not* want to meet me until *after* the concert was all over. >I said "WHAT? WHY?" and she said that it would make her too nervous if she >knew for sure who I was. I said "Are you serious?" and she said yes. Hmmm. Both sort of fits in with the cabbage theory, doesn't it? (ok, maybe cabbages are a bit TOO german. Melons? Pumpkins?) But I'm sure your warm and overwhelming support will soon coax her out of these feelings and help her to sing AT the audience, not OVER it! >Optimistically, we won't be able to get in the door of any of the record >stores due to the crush of people. Pessimistically, there won't be anyone >at any of the stores but we will be there to provide support. Happy keeps >having visions of the scene in the film _Spinal Tap_, where the band is >sitting in an empty store, embarrassed and bored. I told her we wouldn't >let that happen. Right??!!?? I'm probably more envious of you all because of this ( if she really does it) than for the concert! Situation reminds me of those author readings to small groups which are my favourites at SF-cons! BTW thanx for the birthday list, though it makes me feel way old ... ;) Tschuess, Claudia spix@sparc6a.harvard.edu || "May the things that go clump in the night claudia@inphobos.w.open.de|| bless you" Claudia Spix || Harvey Jacobs - The Egg of the Glak ======================================================================== Date: 6-FEB-1992 14:12:33.59 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: Ack! Hi! Mitch, don't worry, this mailing list is setting records for e-box explosion around here no matter how big the articles are. Jessica, I'd be having more problems with scads of short digests than with two or three mongoid ones, since all the headers and footers take up a lot of space. If anyone tried to send me anything after 3AM this morning, Thursday the 6th, you may want to resend it- stuff gets eaten once my disk is full, and isn't bounced back or sent to me later. It just disappears. :P But keep 'em coming, folks- I enjoy every post! Now to the post in progress. Vickie, your post re warmroom clarified a lot for me, and though I am still uncomfortable with the circumstances surrounding its creation and the way in which it was conceived, please don't think I hold anything against you or Jorn or anyone else who has chosen to join up. My post on .gaffa yesterday was the product of a LONG day and too many days in a row of actively holding my tongue. (If you all haven't read .gaffa lately, please skip my post entitled "Playing canasta in cold rooms". You and I will both be a lot better for it. :) Jeff, Sarah McLachlan is indeed amazing. I've played "Solsbury Hill" on my show- it's on a 12'' live EP we have, and I don't know how easy it is to find in stores or whatever. If you simply can't live without it, let me know and I'll send a dub of it to you. Doug, if it wasn't hail, then what *do* you call round chunks of ice around 1cm in diameter pelting you from above? Mutant snow? ;) "Voy"?!? I can see where Klaus would pronounce it that way, those are the two consonants that are pronounced funny in German (from our perspective, that is). Woj. Voy. Oh, boy. Oi, voy, gevalt! (I'll stop now. :) *---------------------------------------------* | Meredith Tarr | | *** | | "Living in the gap between past and future" | | *** | | mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu | *---------------------------------------------* ======================================================================== From: guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Subject: Re: some short remarks Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 13:33:55 CST Hi all -- Claudia recalls her younger days: >Our teacher, who had a lot of experience used to say, if all those >faces down there make you nervous, stop thinking of them as people! >Think of them as just so many cabbages! Remarkable! Did we all go through this stage? I'm a preacher's kid, so whenever there were special programs at church, my brothers, sister and I would be volunteered to do whatever part was required of the younger ones. This meant lots of singing and speaking in front of a congregation who supposed that since these were the preacher's kids, they would do things *perfectly*. Just a little pressure, no? Anyway, my mom told me to imagine the whole congregation sitting there in their underwear. That did wonders for me! I use that little technique to this day although now I'm much more easily distracted by wondering what this one or that one *really* looks like in their underwear. On to other things, like the EctoSiG! I'm finally listening to it and have gotten as far as hearing myself referred to as "Cathy in Minneapolis". Really Vickie, is "Guetzlaff" that hard to pronounce? It is?? Well, I have to commend your resourcefulness -- I wouldn't have tackled any name I wasn't sure of either. Just for the record, "Guetzlaff" is German and used to have an umlaut over the 'u'. I'm supposing that when my ancestors got to Ellis Island, whoever processed them couldn't wrap their mouth around an umlaut so they just got rid of it and added the 'e'. It's pronounced either "Gits-loff" or "Gets-loff" but *never* "Goots-loff" or "Guts-loff". One more thing, does anyone know anything about Wendy Wall? And if there are any Clannad fans, any suggestions about what CDs to get? -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com ======================================================================== Date: 6-FEB-1992 14:31:19.42 From: MTARR@eagle.wesleyan.edu Subject: A note to the elders Hi! Vickie and anybody else, if it makes you feel better, I knew immediately that the song list was from the Monkees. And I wasn't even an inkling in my father's mind when they were big, either. ;) My sister was into them (she's hearing impaired, which makes this amusing. My brother is deaf, and he was largely into the Village People for a while- what does this tell you? ;), and we used to watch the reruns of their TV show every afternoon at 4 o'clock, before the station switched over to showing Star Trek. So there. "looks blue and tastes yellow." Smurfs? "Looks blue!!!" "Tastes yellow!!!" Ecto-commercials. Whee. Oooooooops (not a song by 808 State), gotta go to work, the disavantaged youth of Middletown await me... *---------------------------------------------* | Meredith Tarr | | *** | | "Living in the gap between past and future" | | *** | | mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu | *---------------------------------------------* ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 12:00:28 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Just a KaTe/Rocket Man note Try to find a copy of the Wall Street Journal for Wednesday, February 5th. And read the *sad* *sad* story about the cosmonaut trapped in space above up! Whew. Mp ======================================================================== From: kyrlidis@athena.mit.edu Subject: Shake and Bake Date: Thu, 06 Feb 92 15:32:51 EST (a variation on Stuff'n'Fluff :-)) Hi! I promised to myself I wouldn't post today, but I can't resist it. My fingers have a mind of their own, and here I am. Vickie's posts really calmed me down, because I was afraid that my post about warmroom was maybe a bit too sarcastic. Anyway. I am glad nobody was offended and I am also glad that Ecto is a place where differing opinions are always welcome, and are subject to civilised conversation and not name-calling. Case closed (for me). Re: Woj's comment about ectomania. Tell me about it. There I was on Monday night at home trying to figure out where to hang the Happy keychain, having the HGP in front of me, listening to the B/R demos, wearing my Ecto T-shirt and reading ecto on my confirmed museum piece ADDS Viewpoint... For a moment there I asked myself: Am I being obsessive? Is this rational behavior for a soon to be 26 year old? But then I thought, maybe it is, and maybe I should be listening to the CD's that I borrowed from Greg (more on that later) or doing something more productive, like thinking about my thesis work, but it's FUN so what the hey? And I rewound the tape to listen to Love's Sabotage once again. Anybody figure out the lyrics to THAT one? I haven't tried using my walkman, but it sounds impossible. All I can figure out is: (From memory) I learned to move with it Love took me blind(?) All the sabotage is in the mind Re: Greg's CD's: I LOVE Beautiful pea green boat and Arson Garden!!! My Bloody Valentine has its moments but some songs are just noise (IMHO). Brian Eno might have said that they are the future of pop, but 'My ears have parasites'...:-) I haven't had the chance to listen to Boiled in Lead yet (see above). Back to the trees, errr fortran (it's not that bad, really!) Angelos 'Heroes don't lose nerve, they find it'- Kevin Bartlett ======================================================================== From: kIrI In Ecto On Phobos Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1992 15:15:41 EST Subject: fargin more on Wendy Wall It's appears that once again my message got sent without letting me complete it..darn...anyway...here are some of the lyrics from real love: tall skinny sally keeps a conquest tally of the men who have lingered. Sally's like an alley where you don't dilly-dally she's darkness with fingers. Sady is a lady whoooo don't believe in voodoo. Warm cool sunny drives a cool transam {sorry that's sammy not sunny} sam saw sally and he parked in a rally but he left with his gear stripped Sady is a lady who don't paint ?? nothing cool etc. etc. etc. about Clannad: I have the Dulaman album which I love very much. It has a regular mix of traditional songs ranging from Donegal love songs, to childrens rhyming songs. I think it's absolutely wonderful. You really have to love Irish music though. kIrI -- _ |< | | ) | ^o o^ hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | \ \\I// "People who are easily shocked should be -vv- Shocked more often" Mae West ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 16:24:51 EST From: Gray Abbott@Creare Inc. Subject: More of the Monkees Shucks, I STILL listen to the Monkees. They're great for those late night drives back home after visits to Boston. Gray Abbott gda@creare.com "Everything's real here. Many people are surprised." -Mr. Edwards at The Sword in the Stone ======================================================================== From: kIrI In Ecto On Phobos Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1992 17:10:37 EST Subject: arggh Here's what I first said bout Wendy Wall Sorry if this bounces a couple times. Im still not sure exactly what happened, but the original disappeared. All I know about Wendy Wall is from the Cd single I have of Real Love which is off of her album titled Wendy Wall on SBK (K1/2/4-92807) The single has two versions of Real Love, the 7-inch version, and the album version. It also has a 1.30 min "conversation with wendy wall." The music has a sort of country twang. (however there is a song within the convo that sounds really interesting - it's too bad I don't have the whole thing). Her singing voice is quite palatable. It's neither too high or too low...im trying to think of someone to compare her too, but no one is entering my mind. Her speaking voice is bizarre. It is both interesting, and distracting. The song Real Love is nothing special...and I would like to hear some of her other material, but the lyrics are fairly interesting. In the interview she speaks of the inspiration of NYC, the percussionists, the people, the buildings and the history. That's about all I know about her. I would say she is probably interesting enough to check out. kIrI -- _ |< | | ) | ^o o^ hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | \ \\I// "People who are easily shocked should be -vv- Shocked more often" Mae West ======================================================================== From: guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Subject: Re: arggh Here's what I first said bout Wendy Wall Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 16:40:45 CST kIrI sez: Thanks for the information. As a matter of fact, I do have Wendy's CD and love it to bits! I was curious about whether she had more than one, where she's from, etc etc etc, so your information was helpful. When I listen to some of Happy's earlier songs, her voice at times sounds like Wendy's, but only when she's singing in the lower registers. I'll have to listen to both Happy and Wendy one after another to see if that's really true, but that was an initial impression I had. -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@gravity.cray.com ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 6 Feb 92 15:06:05 -0800 From: Michael G Peskura Subject: Rocket Man (it's gonna be a long, long time) from the Wall Street Journal (5 Feb 92) RUSSIAN PSYCHIATRIST TRIES TO MAKE SURE COSMONAUT STAYS UP: But the Last Soviet Is Down About His Long Flight; An Odd Victim of Politics MOSCOW- Whenever Sergei Krikalev gets on the phone, a little man with glasses and a beard listens in. He's Alexander Slyed, Mr. Krikalev's psychiatrist. It isn't an ideal arrangement, because Dr. Slyed's patient is always off in space -- quite literally. Dr. Slyed is Russia's psychiatrist to the stars, the psychological link to the two cosmonauts about the Mir space station orbiting high above his office at Spaceflight Control Center outside Moscow. It's never an easy job, and these days it's particularly delicate. Mr. Krikalev, who has been in space for eight months, is dying to come home to be with his wife and two-year-old daughter and to see the enormous changes that have taken place in his country. But space officials pressured Mr. Krikalev, a flight engineer, to agree to remain for another four months in what cosmonauts refer to as the "tin can." How does Mr. Krikalev feel about that? "He isn't exactly thrilled," says the doctor. "Let's just say he's nostalgic." Today, Mr. Krikalev, whose uniform bears the insignia "U.S.S.R.," is the last Soviet. . . . Boredom is a big problem. The two [cosmonauts] work most of their waking hours, taking some time off for meals and a spin on the exercycle. "Free time basically consists of looking out the window," says V.B., deputy director of the space flight. For kicks, Mr. Krikalev sometimes entertains TV viewers at ground control by squeezing his coffee out of its tube. It forms a ball and hangs in front of him until he moves forward to gulp it down. There is particular concern about Mr. Krikalev because of the unusual length of his flight. ... it generally takes about three months just to get used to things. The initial sensation ... is of being in a bottomless elevator shaft after the cable breaks. The next three months [!] are the best. "The cosmonaut gets the sense that he is in heaven," Dr. Slyed says. "He closes his eyes and knows exactly where the instruments are. He looks down at earth and knows where everything on the planet is." But soon after, problems begin to develop. "The constant anticipation that something bad is going to happen begins to work at their sub- conscious. Every one of them knows that three millimeters separates him from a vacuum. If, God forbid, those three millimeters were to be punctured, there is basically nothing that could save them." . . . . If all goes well, Mr. Krikalev will finally return to earth in springtime. There was little fanfare when Mr. Krikalev took off, and there will likely be even less when he lands. He'll probably touch down in the barren fields in Kazakhstan, where he'll be met by a small group of family members and officials, who will put him in a wheelchair and take him away for observation. [Good afternoon, everyone.] ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)