Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #151 ecto, Number 151 Wednesday, 5 February 1992 Today's Topics: *-----------------* "Between the Lines" Talked to Happy...(re-post) Yesterday/Tomorrow was/i birthday friend...:-) In defensof warmroom... WtRCD lyrics (Spoiler!) ======================================================================== Long digest after long digest. I'm sorry, it's gotten hard and is getting harder to keep up with you guys! :) If anyone needs the digests to get shorter, let me know. I'm *deinfitely* keeping them under 1000 lines, but they're starting to approach that mark. --jessica ======================================================================== Subject: "Between the Lines" Date: Wed, 05 Feb 92 22:35:32 EST From: jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu This is a rough draft, nothing more. Vickie and Mike Mendelsohn should recognize my method of using ellipses for currently unitelligble words/phrases and "best guesses" in square brackets. Please note that an ellipse could be a single word or a whole phrase. BETWEEN THE LINES Nobody looks beyond the surface Nobody looks beyond the skin Nobody looks inside the closet Nobody looks beyond their own nose I wake up to the sound of cars I sleep to the sight of [bars] I want to go there I wake up lying in my bed I sleep seperate from my head I want to be Nobody cares who's in the story Nobody cares about the plot Nobody wants to see apparitions Nobody wants to break any rules My deaf ... me to scrutinize I see more without my eyes I'm going somewhere Faces dance in and out you see I can't hide from my imagery I want to be there In between the lines I see In between the lines I see fantasy In between the lines I read In between the lines I read danger Nobody has the time for daydreams Nobody has the hope of life Nobody knows the path of thinking Everybody has the horror We wake up with the same pain We sleep listening to the rain To forget it all We forget how the wishing works I know where the bogey lurks I want to be there In between the lines I see In between the lines I see fantasy And in between the lines I read In between the lines I read danger In between the lines I see In between the lines I see fantasy In between the lines I read In between the lines I read danger Nobody looks beyond the surface Nobody looks beyond the skin Nobody looks inside the closet Nobody looks beyond their own nose I wake up to the sound of cars I sleep to the [...] I wake up lying in my bed I sleep seperate from my bed I want to be In between the lines I see In between the lines I see fantasy And in between the lines I read In between the lines I read danger In between the lines I see In between the lines I see fantasy In between the lines I read In between the lines I read danger In between the lines I see In between the lines I see fantasy In between the lines I read In between the lines I read danger ------------ Anxiously awaiting corrections, Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Show what you are / Be strong, be true | | | Time for you to / Be who you are." | |jeffy@lewhoosh.umd.edu | --Happy Rhodes | ======================================================================== From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: Talked to Happy...(re-post) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 16:07:47 CST Vickie here. I talked to Happy for a short while over the weekend and she hasn't got her HGP reactions written up yet. She intends to, but has been particularly busy for the past couple of weeks. There's really no new news, but here a few bits of information: Mitch Elrod will be opening the show in Albany. He'll also be playing in the band during Happy's set. I'm sure all the Ectophiles there will give him a warm welcome. There will be an intermission in Philly! Hmmm, that doesn't happen very often at theater shows, I was suprised to hear it. Although H&K will *need* a very long soundcheck, they're not going to get it. it seems someone scheduled some kind of show (something called "Cooks With Books"...?) at the auditorium that will last until 3:00pm. Then they'll have to wait until that's all cleared up to begin setting up the stage. Yikes! Literally or figuratively, fingernails are being chewed on in Albany. Happy wanted me to warn everyone that the sound might turn out to be truly horrific! I'm not that pessimistic, but it is a worrisome thing. Obviously, she won't be in any position to meet with us before the show. In-stores on Friday are still not set, but there will be some. Hey folks, I'm going to tell you true....Happy is absolutely *petrified* of these in-stores. She *doesn't* want to do them, and has no idea how she'll react. She's scared of people being there (she's *not* a people person at all. She'd like to be, but it's not in her nature....we can't forget that she's *very*very*very* shy) AND she's scared of people not being there. That, my friends, is where we Philly-convergers can come in handy. Optimistically, we won't be able to get in the door of any of the record stores due to the crush of people. Pessimistically, there won't be anyone at any of the stores but we will be there to provide support. Happy keeps having visions of the scene in the film _Spinal Tap_, where the band is sitting in an empty store, embarrassed and bored. I told her we wouldn't let that happen. Right??!!?? I suggested that Happy bring her guitar and *hide* behind it and her music. A good suggestion...for someone else. Happy absolutely refuses to consider it. She said she couldn't play in front of a small group of people. She's much more confortable on stage. Strangely enough, she said she feels more anonymous playing in front of a large group of people. (She said "I'd much rather play in front of 5000 people instead of 50") Interesting psychology there, but I understand it. Whatever is best for her is fine with me and I'd never think of pressuring her into doing something she feels uncomfortable doing. It was a nice idea though...:-) I figure that she'll probably get used to these kinds of things as more and more of them happen. Uh, well, or else she'll give up public appear- ances entirely....it's a possibility (she didn't say this, it's my own theory) that we have to accept if that should happen. She doesn't really want to turn into a "Kate" but she sure understands Kate's mindset. Friday night is out for us to meet. Well, I suppose there's a slight possibility, but not very likely. She'll be bushed (and probably freaked) after the day's activity, and will want to get plenty of rest and sleep. She said something suprising and I didn't really question her about it, I thought I'd wait for another time, and catch her in another mood before I asked to find out if she truly is serious. Her wit is so dry that it's sometimes hard to tell if she's joking or not. Anyway, she said that she defintely did *not* want to meet me until *after* the concert was all over. I said "WHAT? WHY?" and she said that it would make her too nervous if she knew for sure who I was. I said "Are you serious?" and she said yes. Hmmm. I really have to know before the Friday in-stores if she means it. If she does, then I'll have to hide behind you all and trust you not to point me out to her. If she's serious, I certainly don't want to force myself on her. Isn't that the weirdest thing though? I'm not saying that Happy's weird, it's just a weird situation. I'm nervous and scared and excited about meeting her and she's nervous and scared and excited about meeting me. Geez! I don't know what to think, but I am flattered, I guess. Not to nyah, nyah at you all, but Happy gave me a list of the songs she'd be performing. It's no use asking, because I promised Happy I wouldn't post it, but I did want to say that "Poetic Justice" *IS* on the list. Oh Yay! Not everyone's choices made the final list, so there will be a slight amount of disappointment among some of you. Still, the songs that *are* played will certainly be approved of! That's pretty much it from the Happy Camp. Need a Jerseyphile's help here... But everyone's welcome to read and pitch in if they want.. Today I got a phone call from a woman who has worked with Happy and Kevin since shortly before the release of Warpaint. Her name is Susanne White and she has been a semi-sort-of, unofficial, unpaid "manager" for Happy. She is now on the AG payroll and is completely taking over Kevin's previous job as "promotion/publicity guru" which is great. Kevin has been strained to the max, taking care of that end of the business while doing his own work and now rehearsing with the band. Her stepping in has taken a huge load off of Kevin's shoulders and I'm very pleased for him. Susanne and I talked for a long time, and she isn't someone "they just hired," she is a fan and she really *cares* about Happy's music and wants, the same as we do, to see Happy get the recognition she deserves. I really believe this and I wanted to bring it up to let you know that she's not in it for the money, or the promise of future money, should Happy hit the big time. She cares and is devoted. Susanne lives in Brooklyn and is *very* interested in me and Ecto. She was in Albany the day the HGP arrived and talked about how touched and overwhelemed Happy was. Happy and Kevin told her about us and gave her my phone number. She was fascinated by the "net" concept and we spent at least an hour talking about it. I tried my best to explain the whole Internet/Usenet thing, and the history of Ecto, and Ecto itself. She is dying to get onto Ecto. She'd be on in a official capacity, sure, but also as a fan. The official capacity means that she wants to tap our collective devotion for ideas and ways to get Happy the best in promotion and publicity. She'll be devoting large amounts of her time pushing WP on college, commercial and NPR radio stations, calling them to follow-up and lots of other things that Kevin has just not had a lot of time for. She'll appreciate anything that we can do to help her and any ideas that we can give her. This will be great, because lots of ideas have flowed through Ecto already, but since H&K aren't on Ecto themselves, and since I just can't pass every single thing onto them, lots of ideas have fallen through the cracks. I do try to keep H&K updated, but I can't possibly read them every single post. Susanne wants to be part of Ecto so she can make sure that all ideas are noticed and considered. Again, she's a fan too, so she'll be part of that side as well. I think it's a wonderful thing and I want to help her get hooked up, and I need your help. She is a total newbie to modems and networks. I told her it would take time for her to get used to everything, but that we were all newbies once and that she shouldn't worry about it. I asked her what kind of equipment she has and all she could tell me was that she has a "Leading Edge" IBM clone and a Texas Instruments 451 modem (that someone gave her) and she has no telecommunications programs at all. She looked on the box and in the Operation Manual of the modem and couldn't find a baud rate listed anywhere. She looked and looked while I was on the phone with her, me telling her to just look for the word "baud" and tell me the number beside it. She couldn't find it so I'd say it's a problem with Texas Instruments and their documentation and box information. Chris has been looking for information aobut TI modems and hasn't found anything. He fears it's one of their old models and says (do I hear a tinge of horror in his voice?) it's possible it's an old 300 baud modem. If so, she'll surely have to upgrade. Does anyone (anywhere, but especially in the nearby Jersey area) know anything about the equipment she has, what telecommunications programs she might need and about Public Access sites in the New York City area? Any help would be very much appreciated. You can e-mail me, but you can also contact her directly. Here is the info: Susanne White Brooklyn, NY (718) 330-9644 computer Leading Edge (IBM clone) modem Texas Instruments 451 (baud rate unknown) (Hey Vishal, don't you work at TI? You know anything about this modem?) Thanks in advance! I honestly think it will be cool having her here. She loved WP from the very first listen and jumped in immediately to help spread the word. She's worked in the record business for many years and has a lot of knowledge that most of us don't. We can help her, she can help us, we can all have fun and we'll all be helping Happy. I'm a couple of days behind on reading Ecto, but I do know that Bob and I clashed on our WXPN Express articles. Bob, I'm sorry you had to type that all in and then find out that I posted it too. You're version was actually more complete that mine, mine didn't have the information about Ecto or AG's address at the end. Thank you, I do appreciate your trouble. Hmm, what's this brouhaha about me being DJ-lauriate of the universe? I'll have to give the Digests a close looking over, but Jorn, thanks for thinking of it. I accept :-) and Kiri and Meredith and woj can be up there with me, helping out. Though, I must say that I've always objected to being called a "DJ" and preferred "Programmer" because the word DJ conjures up the image of someone who is paid to play things they are told to. I only play things I personally like, and wouldn't want to be paid if it meant that I didn't have artistic control. I have nothing against DJs, but it's just not a career goal. Being a "Programmer" is a dream career goal though :-) More later, after I've caught up on everything... Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us ======================================================================== From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: Yesterday/Tomorrow was/i birthday friend...:-) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 16:17:12 CST Well durn, I posted this yesterday and it never showed up, so I'll try again, and include Gene's day (thanks for the thanks!) too. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ******* Stephen ******* ******* Thomas! ******* -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ********* Gene ******** ********* Sady! ******** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- * New or changes made since last list like this one Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 3 1967 Capricorn Greg Bossert Tue January 9 1962 OfTheTimes Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sean Casey January 25 1962 ICB * Stephen Thomas Fri February 4 1966 Aquarius Gene Sady Tue February 7 1956 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker * Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces * Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham * John Baker Tue March 24 1964 Berkeley Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries * Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Widder Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey * Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Gray Abbott Tue May 3 1955 Suprised * Mark Semich Thu May 6 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 7 1952 Rumple Brian Gregory Thu May 9 1963 Eclectic Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Taurus Michele Young Thu May 21 1970 Taurmini Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 2 1966 Kaksoset Steve Veeneman Tue June 5 1951 GeminiGemini * Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Courtney Dallas Fri July 9 1971 Cat * Michael Peskura Sat July 9 1949 HallOfFamer * Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer * David Koehler July 25 Leo Tom Johnson Mon July 25 1966 Leo Rob Woiccak (woj) Sun July 28 1968 Leo John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Mark Carroll Fri July 29 1966 Hacker Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Happy Rhodes Mon August 9 1965 HolyGhost Vickie Mapes Wed August 15 1956 Giddy Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Dan Segel Tue August 31 1965 Virgo Jorn Barger Pez August 32 1953 Neon Meredith Tarr Wed September 1 1971 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 9 1967 Neon Chris Williams Tue September 20 1960 Neon 3-D Computer-generated Dan Riley Sun October 8 1961 Libra Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Jessica Dembski Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Katie Dougiamas Mon November 4 1974 Scorpio Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Alan Ezust Fri November 21 1969 Homesick Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 5 1968 Sagittarius Henry Kilmer Wed December 11 1968 CallMeHank Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- If you're not on this list and you'd like to be, just e-mail me with the pertinents... Vickie katefans@chinet.chi.il.us ======================================================================== From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: In defensof warmroom... Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 16:20:04 CST Vickie here. I want to address the warmroom situation, and I'm going to bring up things that appeared in recent posts. I won't be addressing individuals as to what they wrote, but rather taking some of the ideas and concerns expressed and generalizing them. I have to say that I'm somewhat shocked and disappointed by some of the reactions to warmroom. Reading some of these posts I get the feeling that Jorn, and indeed, the entire issue, is being misunderstood and jumped on over-harshly. Jorn and I both have probably made some bad mistakes in all of this but the smoke is clearing now and we can try to clear things up. The first thing is to clear up misconceptions here in Ecto. The main question that leapt out at me was the one "why are you afraid of differing opinions?" which tells me that the writer has no understanding of the underlying problem that created warmroom in the first place. When I saw that I shook my head in awe and sat like a zombie for about 10 minutes staring at the screen. Anyone who would ask Jorn that question certainly must have been skipping our posts in gaffa. To clear _that_ up, I'll say this as I have a million times in gaffa......Jorn and I have *no* problems with differing opinions. The main point we have been complaining about in gaffa is the rudeness of a handful of people that is tearing gaffa apart. Why are we concerned with rudeness (especially when it's not directed at us) and why can't we just ignore it? Well, why *shouldn't* we be concerned with it and why should we ignore it? Seriously, if someone is rude and mean to another person, is it right to not say anything? Is it right to not stand up and say that it's not acceptable behavior? Is it right to let someone's feelings get hurt and just shrug it off? Is it right to let the people being rude think that it's ok with everyone? I'm having trouble grasping the fact that we've been turned into the bad guys in some people's eyes simply for standing up and speaking our minds, saying that we do *not* find rudeness acceptable and wanting an alternative (a supplement) to gaffa. More about this later. I think the first thing that must be understood when considering Jorn's reaction to all of this is the fact that Jorn has been *deeply* affected by the atmosphere of ecto. As I said in gaffa, he aches to have that same kind of atmosphere in a Kate forum. I don't think he necessarily means the warm, fuzzy blue, family atmosphere, but rather the niceness, the friend- liness and the interesting interaction that can come when a lot of people who are considerate of each other get together and talk about something they have in common. Jorn sees that it's possible for a large group of people to get together and discuss topics rationally. That differences of opinion can be expressed without hostility and rudeness and the need to cut other people down while expressing an opinion. That's all he wants for warmroom and that's all I want too. Ecto *is* unique and it is true that the atmosphere here evolved into what it is today. It is true that "fuzzy blueness" can't be forced. It must seem like Jorn is certainly trying to force it on warmroom but he knows better. I think his cross-post here was a mistake, but please give him the benefit of the doubt and assume only the best intentions. Warmroom and ecto do have something in common (besides the main Kate connection) that I think people are forgetting. Both were born under the cloud of a flame war. If Jessica hadn't started ecto, talk about Happy would have died out in gaffa (not by choice, but because of the risk of flames) and then......well, I have no idea what then, but basically no one would be talking about her, let alone be friends and (put all other wonderful things that have come from ecto here) whatnot. Many people *did* want to continue talking about Happy though, and thanks to Jessica, it was possible. Everything else grew from that starting point. ======================================================================== From: something! Aren't the parallels obvious? We were flamed not just for talking about Happy, but also for gushing about her. I have everything in archive and I'm tempted to go digging for quotes, but I shouldn't have to. Those who were around from the beginning should well remember some of the terms thrown around (prosyletizing, doting, force-feeding) and remember how we all ducked gratefully into ecto and immediately settled in. But we have, as Doug put it, a seige mentality still lingering about us. It's almost gone, and may be completely gone for some others, but it's certainly still there for *me* personally. Once we were here, we were able to open up and say things that seemed forbiddingly forbidden on gaffa. I most certainly *do* see the same thing happening with warmroom. Even if it is about Kate, the principles are the same. Emotional writings are discouraged in gaffa. Sure, some people might be able to completely pour out their heart and sensitive ideas one minute, then turn into "Iron Man" while withstanding all the sarcastic and snickering remarks sure to come after it's appearance, but I can't. A lot of other people can't either. Does that mean that we should just keep our mouths shut and not post emotional writings anymore? Well, yes, it's already happened. I sure don't post to gaffa like I used to and I have no intention of exposing my heartfelt thoughts there again in the future. Call me a wimp, I am. Call me a fraidy-cat, I am. Call me an emotional, I am. But it's all been turned around, because, now that I can't be myself anymore, all I ever seem to post there are flames toward people who are being rude to other people who haven't learned their "stick to the facts" lesson in gaffa. Because of that, I must seem like a right royal bitch to most newbies on gaffa. Once again, I get turned into the bad guy, just because I voice disappro- val of rudeness. This point comes down to: It may be easy for some of *you* to ignore people like Cynthia and Drukman, but that doesn't mean that it's as easy for others. Saying "just ignore them" is, for many people, as totally useless as saying "be a millionaire" and just as silly. Though I don't see ecto and warmroom as being the sister lists that Jorn does, they are certainly first cousins. I do see warmroom as being a place where people can, yes, hide away and feel comfortable saying things they can't express in the larger forum of gaffa. There are lots of shy and sensitive people into Kate. They have ideas and opinions too, but many can't (or just won't) express themselves unless they do feel comfortable. Jorn wants a place where those people can come when they have something to say. I feel, as he does, that warmroom is *needed* and can thrive as a supplement to gaffa, not a replacement for it (though it will be for some) and that it will be good for a lot of good people. One of the biggest problems is the "censorship" issue. I *don't* think it will come to that and I think Jorn has probably realized that his feelings and statements have been too strong and have been taken to mean that he would delete anything he didn't agree with. No, that's not the case at all. Again, it's not diversity of opinion that he is objecting to, but the unnecessary "look how cool I am telling this bleeding-heart airy-fairy they're stupid" attitude that happens all the time on gaffa. If a post like that came to warmroom, I would imagine that Jorn might send it back and ask that it be re-written into an "I disagree and here's why" post. I am speaking for Jorn right now, which maybe I shouldn't be doing, but I do think that's what he'd do. I think that as tempers die down, things will become clearer to everybody, including Jorn. What *is* a truly moderated mailing list anyway? *Why* is it moderated? I always assumed a moderated mailing list or newsgroup (the actively moderated ones, like soc.feminism or rec.humor. funny) meant that inappropriate articles were not accepted, or were sent back to be re-worked if the writer wants to re-submit it. Except for the misconceptions involved, I don't understand why Jorn is getting such heat from this. Why not call for an end to *all* the moderated newsgroups and mailing lists if that's how you feel? I don't see a problem with Jorn moderating warmroom in the way stated above. I do have a problem with him telling people they *can't* join in the first place, but I still don't think it's censorship for him to do that. They still have a voice in gaffa and rec.music.misc and a few hundred other places on the net. In any case, I suspect it will be a completely open subscription and the same thing will happen to warmroom that happened to ecto. That is, those who are interested in the writings there will stay, and those who are bored will leave. It will cut down on flames in gaffa and will provide a place for shy people to express their feelings and thoughts about Kate. I see it all being a good thing in the end. It's just a spin-off, a supplement. Another mailing list in the way that there are dozens of Kate fanzines. What's wrong with that? Regarding the issue of a 3rd "neither-here-nor-there" mailing list, I don't like that idea. I already feel comfortable with talking about other subjects and artists in ecto. I did cross-post something to both groups the other day, but immediately realized that I shouldn't have. I won't do it again. Kate will always be my very favorite artist, but Happy is more *important* to me now and I probably won't write all that much to warmroom, but I will if I have something to say that I wouldn't dare say on gaffa. Ecto's my home base though, and I don't want to move to a 3rd list as a homebase. I just wouldn't do it. I think the 3rd list would stagnate from disuse anyway because I don't think others would use it either. If Jorn gave the impression that he'd be an Erland, and lobby to merge ecto and warmroom, then I can understand that worry. It would never happen. I wouldn't want it to happen, you wouldn't want it to happen, the non-Happy people on warmroom wouldn't want it to happen...believe me, that idea (if indeed it was an idea, I haven't talked to Jorn since his post) would/will be forgotten very quickly. I don't know what else to say. I can understand someone not being interested in warmroom. I can understand someone not having time for warmroom. I can understand someone being put off by the unfortunate details of warmroom's birth. And I can understand someone wanting to get all the details of warmroom's "rules and regulations" (not that any really exist) figured out before subscribing or deciding not to subscribe. I do hope though, that people will consider the benefits that can be gained, and the good it can do for shy people, and the "born amidst the flames" parallels to ecto, aspects of warmroom before judging it too harshly and condemning it. Vickie ======================================================================== From: katefans@chinet.chi.il.us (Chris n Vickie) Subject: WtRCD lyrics (Spoiler!) Date: Wed, 5 Feb 92 16:24:03 CST When the Rain Came Down (c) 1988 by Happy Rhodes ----------------------- When the rain came down I was older than the earth I could die right now and plan another birth anytime I choose I am in peace, in love In harmony, when the rain comes When the rain came down I was standing in the green My soul was touched by every tree That my eyes could see I am in peace, in love In harmony, when the rain comes Down When the rain came down It melded with my tears When the rain came down Float away they fears When the rain came down Bigger than the sea When the rain came down Then came me When the rain came down There was no one else around I could feel my feet Being swallowed by the ground Every step I take I am life When the rain came down It melded with my tears When the rain came down Float away they fears When the rain came down Bigger than the sea When the rain came down Then came me When the rain came down It melded with my tears When the rain came down Float away they fears When the rain came down Bigger than the sea When the rain came down Then came me When the rain came down I was older than the earth I could die right now And plan another birth Anytime I choose I am in peace, in love In harmony, when the rain comes When the rain came down It melded with my tears When the rain came down Float away they fears When the rain came down Bigger than the sea When the rain came down Then came me When the rain came down It melded with my tears When the rain came down Float away they fears When the rain came down Bigger than the sea When the rain came down Then came me ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is a README file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me (or leave in the incoming directory, just let me know) things you'd like to have added. To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! I've been told I'm too far from humble to even have it in quotes, so, just "your moderator" -- jessica (jessica@athos.rutgers.edu)