Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #921 ecto, Number 921 Tuesday, 21 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Help!!! vickie's phone number Re:Shakespeare The other side of the story Re: I'M BEING WATCHED! Mail and news and Frente! and things the vickie/jorn thing My Top Ten for 1993 Re: now _that's_ what I call a delay! Asthma chicago And The Greatest Band ======================================================================== I'm sorry for so many digests in a row! This is what I get for not being online enough during a busy ecto-time. :) --jessica ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Help!!! Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 16:29:03 -0800 (PST) > I'm surrounded by dittoheads! > > My parents are both ardent Rush Limbaugh fanatics, and I'm being slowly > worn down by it.. I don't consider myself a liberal, I'm more centrist, > leaning slightly to the left (I'm fairly conservative economically, but > pretty liberal socially). I need some balance! What's more, I need some > hard proof that Rush can be a real buffoon. > > Will anyone be my Knight (or Knightess) in Equal Time Armor? Well, in spite of the liberal pro-gay and lesbian views I've expressed here, I actually like Rush. For those not really into Rush, let me point out something. I'm reading his 1st book now, and he reveals some suprising things about himself... like the fact that he is first and foremost an *entertainer*, not a politician. His gruff views are meant to entertain, not to put forth a "political agenda". All he wants to be is a radio personality. He admits that! So I think everyone should stop taking him so seriously and consider him more of a stand-up comedian. Trust me on this one.... And I think he does serve a good job playing hawkeye to the government making people keeptheir promises and their noses clean. So I think I have to pass on being your Knight (Or Knightess) this time. br!an -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Subject: vickie's phone number Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 19:30:09 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Vickie cheated when she gave her phone number. She said: "508-5283" and then she ammended that to 508-KATE and assured us, "really!" What she *didn't* say was that C&V's *extremely* easy to remember number is actually L0V-KATE ! (pity they couldn't get 568, but the 0 is close enough to O... ;-) Vickie--just saw what I hope is Jorn's last posting to gaffa. He's thunderstruck that people have read your last posts on the subject, his last posts on the subject, and they're still deciding to side with you. I hope his thunderstruckedness means he'll be quiet... Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Everything is still with a fear of never coming out | |Suffering Bad Grammar| Never following through / Never ever finishing | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | What we wanted to do." -- Melissa Ferrick | ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 00:22:00 BST Subject: Re:Shakespeare Hi! One wonderful Shakespearian reference comes at the end of "All You Need Is Love", from The Beatles. There is a scene from King Lear. If memory serves me right, it's - um, memory fails quickly who exactly is dying, but he says: "Villian! Thou hast slain me. Bury my body, and send the letter [I carry] to Edmond, Earl of Gloucester...O untimely death!" It's at the very end as the song fades out. The music "Greensleeves" is also happening here. Quite a trip! Hoping it helps, +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co + Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 01:14:00 BST Subject: The other side of the story Vickmeister: How can this Bjorn person claim all ecophiles hate him when I for one have never heard of him before this current Brew Ha Ha? I for one am glad that negativity of that magnatude has managed to elude ecto thus far. *HUGS* to everybody responsible for that! Ecto is the reason I'm on the net. Happy is my Goddess, as it were. I may be nuts, but I dreamt about her and Kevin last night. (Kevin had a mustache, by the way). They were playing a somewhat relaxed gig in a high school gymnasium. There was some great music, but a lot of the young 'uns weren't into it and drifted away, till I was the only one left. Perhaps this is just my concern for her career. Perhaps it's because I'm just wired differently than most folks I meet. Anyway, it was a pleasant dream, H & K were cool, and I got to hear some great music without using the CD player. As for Jork, I'm sorry you have to put up with a mind like that, when there's plenty of Conventional Madness right here on our fuzzy blue Ecto. And I mean that in the nicest way. Hoping I've not exposed my psyche to analysis, I am Bob the dreamer +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co + Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 18:44:17 PST From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: I'M BEING WATCHED! Diane wonders: |> I haven't been able to respond to everybody because my supervisors |> suspect I'm doing something fishy here. Alot of time on e-mail. Do |> people post from home computers or you work for yourselves or you have |> cool supervisors who don't care or you're students who are at the |> terminal 24 hours/day anyway, or other? Well, I tend to read what I can during lunch, then stay late to catch up on the rest of it. And when a crisis lands in my lap at work, which unfortunately seems to happen far too often, I read what I can, skim what I can't, and wish I had time to respond to more things. My former supervisor didn't approve of the time I spent; he thought that I should be slaving, nose to grindstone, every moment I was in the building. After all, that's how *he* worked. On the other hand, he has hardly any spark of creativity and solves all his problems via dogged persistance rather than via leaps of logic & intuition, which is how my mind tends to function. I think I drove him nuts. ;-> Erik ____________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson INTP Don't believe the return address. KLA Instruments Corp. The one and only True Address is: San Jose, CA e_johnso@kla.com. GE/CS d-- -p+ c+(++++) l u+ e- m+(--)* s++/+ !n h+ f+ !g(+) w+ t@ r+@ y+(*) My goliard mind pauses, seized by story. Words weave stronger than rope. ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 21:07:39 PST From: erik@falcon.kla.com (Erik Johnson) Subject: Re: Help!!! Brian reveals: |> Well, in spite of the liberal pro-gay and lesbian views I've expressed |> here, I actually like Rush. For those not really into Rush, let me point |> out something. I'm reading his 1st book now, and he reveals some suprising |> things about himself... like the fact that he is first and foremost an |> *entertainer*, not a politician. His gruff views are meant to entertain, |> not to put forth a "political agenda". All he wants to be is a radio |> personality. He admits that! So I think everyone should stop taking |> him so seriously and consider him more of a stand-up comedian. |> Trust me on this one.... |> And I think he does serve a good job playing hawkeye to the government |> making people keeptheir promises and their noses clean. |> So I think I have to pass on being your Knight (Or Knightess) this time. Let me start by saying that I'm not particularly anti-Rush, although a vocal subset of his followers are fairly obnoxious. Nor am I pro-Rush; in fact, I usually try very hard to ignore his existance (as I do most self-appointed pundits, so I'm not leaning on him in particular). But I've heard this line of reasoning before, and it bothers me. Some entertainers (Mark Russell springs to mind) can take political pot-shots at both sides without seeming to put any viewpoint of their own out. Others, like Rush on the one side and Mort Sahl or whatisname (good old whatsisname :->) on the other, have their own distinct agendas in mind. Yes, he is definitely an entertainer, but that doesn't stop him from having a political agenda, or from having a fairly large influence on the political fray. The thing is, whether he wants them to or not, people *do* take him seriously on both sides, and he can't be permitted to escape the consequences of that by just claiming that it's all just entertainment. If he wanted not to be taken seriously by anyone, it would be easy to do; just look at Geraldo. ;-> As I said before, this is *not* meant as an attack on Rush, and I'm wavering on whether or not to CC: Ecto on this. Politics degenerate into flamewars faster than anything else I can think of, and that would be a Bad Thing. Call this, if you will, a sermon on the subject of taking responsibility for the consequences of your own actions, intended or not. Oh, and to Dave Dixon, who started this off: Sorry, but I can't help you either. I don't listen to Rush enough to even know the details of what he says, and it's usually much harder to debate something when you don't know what you're debating. ;-) Good luck. Erik ____________________________________________________________________________ Erik N. Johnson INTP Don't believe the return address. KLA Instruments Corp. The one and only True Address is: San Jose, CA e_johnso@kla.com. GE/CS d-- -p+ c+(++++) l u+ e- m+(--)* s++/+ !n h+ f+ !g(+) w+ t@ r+@ y+(*) My goliard mind pauses, seized by story. Words weave stronger than rope. ======================================================================== Subject: Mail and news and Frente! and things Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1993 17:00:24 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Hi again - only 2 days to catch up on this time. Ecto is like a race against the clock sometimes. But what a pleasurable race to run. :-) Tim Cooks up a Frente! question.... > Here's a question Australian ectophiles will more than likely to be > able to answer. > > I've picked up a CD e.p. "Clunk" by Frente and it's really good. Have they > released any other CDs? Yep. (They're called Frente! by the way... :-) In order: Whirled EP (eight tracks, 12 minutes!) - now in its 12th pressing, each pressing coming in a different colour cover. I have the second pressing here. Very low budget recording named after the studio it was recorded at; produced by Owen from Melbourne band Tlot Tlot with the band; includes "Labour Of Love", the song that got them their major label deal. Released through MDS (Mushroom Distribution Services) on the band's own label, and I believe still available. Clunk EP - Mushroom debut. Produced by Daniel Denholm and containing the hit song "Ordinary Angels". After this song propelled the Clunk EP to the top of the Australian charts, Mushroom moved into Band Packaging Mode. Accidentally Kelly St EP - containing the song of the title, a huge, if twee, hit here. Not a prime example of the band's craft and loathed by fans. Debut appearance of Prince engineer and Ingrid Chavez producer/co-writer Michael Koppelman, who Mushroom imported to work on the album... Marvin The Album - debut album, originally released in a DigiPak with movable colour wheel that let you change the colour of one of the fish on the cover, now in standard jewel box. Some say the title comes from Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy; I tend to agree. Contains "Ordinary Angels" remixed by Koppelman (virtually identical, just more "mono"), "Labour Of Love" re-recorded, and "Kelly St", as well as next single... No Time EP - contains "No Time" (a beautiful song) with a couple of new tracks. If you want further, fuller details or CDs picked up, mail me. Mammoth are supposed to have signed Frente! for the US and had planned to release "Labour Of Love" as a single, but nothing's ever appeared. Greg O'Rear quotes me quoting him... > Anthony Horangues: > > You want me to send you a full Margot discography with catalogue numbers so > > they can order her CDs in? :-) > > Yes, please. Done! > Which maybe brings up a point. I'd put David Sylvian on the Ecto "must hear" > list. He's not exactly new and unknown, but I think his solo work would go > right along with the stuff mentioned here. If you buy one album, get > "Brilliant Trees." (Since I'm also on the Sylvian mailing list, I forget if > there has been any traffic here about him.) Anyone here besides me got Sylvian's "Weatherbox"? Mere typed description can't do this package justice... P. Cohen (what *is* your name, anyway? :-) synchronisesin his Top 10: > "Plants and Birds and Rocks and Things" - The Loud Family > Scott Miller is back with a vengeance and the true genius of quirky pop does > not disappoint. He and Mitch Easter continue the string of wonderful albums > started by Game Theory. Sue Trowbridge sent me this CD this week - it's fantastic stuff. True genius does describe the pop mastery displayed on this album quite well. I especially like "Last Honest Face", "Sword Swallower" and "Take Me Down" but the quirky side is what really makes this album stand out; my favorite song title of the year ("Ballad Of How You Can All Shut Up") is there as well. Musically they remind me a bit of Ned's Atomic Dustbin meeting Freur at a They Might Be Giants concert, but it's more unique than that. And Ectophiles, where have I heard the name Paul Weineke before? It's been nagging at me all week.... > Noticably Missing: > nahhh, why invite flames? You missed Margot... oh never mind. My list will be arriving during the week. :) Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "I kind of feel like I'm Metallica..." - Tori Amos on the perils of long tours, November 1992 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 18 Dec 93 23:14:29 PST From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon) Subject: Re: Help!!! Vickie, I think the 26th will be cool. The only thing that would inhibit me is my folks; I'm borrowing one of their cars, so they have to okay it. They (esp. my dad) are pretty protective about their stuff ("Chicago's a pretty dangerous place" he says, for some reason, forgetting that I've been living in the Bay Area for a while). In any case, I'll bring an extra deck of Oblique Strategies, a D'Cuckoo CD, and other goodies. I'll let you know for sure soon if I can come on the 26th. D^2 ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 02:46:07 EST From: jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu (jessica) Subject: the vickie/jorn thing I'm sending this to ecto for a couple of reasons. (at first I was just going to send it to vickie) but 1) I feel *comfortable* with the idea of sending it here. 2) The topic has already been mentioned here a bit, and having been slightly involved at the time, I'd like to add my .02 here. 3) I certainly wouldn't send it to gaffa, although reason two holds there too.. gaffa is *not* the place for this issue for me. 4) i'm sure this issue has a lot to do with jorn not liking this mailing list. It used to worry me that someone might not like the list - but i understand such things better now - not every mailing list is good for every person, I won't go into a whole lecture on my concepts of life :) I really am sad that the whole vickie/jorn thing happened the way that it did, and I truly do hope that each of them will be able to go on with their seperate lives from here. (it sounds liek vickie's got that under control already, but it seems like jorn still feels very unresolved.. I do hope he can come to peace with himself by himself, at this point (well, not neccesarily "by himself" - but without vickie and chris.)) anyway: I remember when this all happened pretty clearly, because i was one of the people jorn reached out to for "support/mediation". I was flattered that he considered me one who'd do the job well, and i gave the issue my sincerest deepest thought and gave a response. I don't think I kept a copy of it, I just looked and didn't find it. (actually now that I think about it, it's possible that after full deliberation, I decided to respond only by saying i prefered not to get involved... I just don't remember which conclusion I came to at the time, send a response or none at all). I did, however, find a copy of what I sent to Vickie at the time, which sums up my attitudes on the subject completely, and I'd like to include an excerpt from it here. Jorn isn't on this list, but I fully realise this is publically available and he may read it. Jorn, if you are reading: know that the reason I do not write to you personally is that I truly desire to keep out of this issue. I write what I do here today becuase I care about vickie and every one else on ecto - I care about this group of people very much (even though I don't know some of them, I care for this *group*, this atmosphere, and I want to express this stuff here for my own personal reasons and they have little to do with you.) ------- part of my message to vickie: > jorn sent us a response to chris's message to us. I got only one > impression from jorn's message. And that is that he is amazingly bad > at listening to people, understanding people's own perspectives and > points of view. It seems that he makes no effort to understand that > different people will think, talk, act, react, differently from > himself - instead of putting what someone says into the persepctive of > *that* person's experiences, he puts it into his own perspective, and > that almost always fails miserably, *especailly* when dealing with > very personal and painful topics. Again, my impression on reading jorn's > response to chris was that jorn doesn't make a very good "listener" > and is unable to put things into a perspective other than his own, > this makes him a judgemental and even, at times, mean, person, whether > he intends to or not. > > jorn then explained that he'd forwarded chris's comment to us because > he was hoping we were people who would have influence with chris. > > I think he chose people who tend to be non-judgemental and really > think things through in a rational, logical, *and* understanding way. > Unfortunately for him, I tihnk that is true, and that in this case, it > does not work in his favor. > > Most of all I hope that these events have not hurt you further - i > am absolutely certain that the people jorn attempted to involve have > remained *un*involved. Not that we do not care or are not interested, > but we are really not involved. this is between you and chris and jorn > and ought to stay that way except in cases of one person talking to > another friend. What jorn is doing trying to involve others *against* > people really bothers me. jessica ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 14:37:30 GMT From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Subject: My Top Ten for 1993 In alphabetical order here is my list of the top ten album releases of 1993 - guaranteed to have very little overlap with anyone else's! Altan - Island Angel -------------------- Altan are IMHO the best active traditional Irish band. Island Angel presents the usual mixture of energetic dance tunes and gorgeous songs. Anglagard - Hybris ------------------ An amazing debut release by a very young Swedish progressive rock band. This harkens all the way back to the early 70's with echoes of Genesis, Yes and King Crimson in their prime. Asgard - Imago Mundi -------------------- Every year this Italian band bring out an exquisitely crafted album of neo-progressive rock (with obvious Fish-era Marillion influences). This year's offering is darker and heavier than their previous three releases and compelling listening. Capercaillie - Secret People ---------------------------- Capercaillie are at the opposite end of the Celtic folk spectrum from Altan due to their willingness to experiment with modern instrumentation and dance rhythms. Traditionalists will tear their hair out; I love it. Iona - Beyond These Shores -------------------------- A band who successfully combine the updated Celtic folk feel of later Clannad and Capercaillie with the melodic progressive rock styles of Camel and Steve Hackett. My discovery of the year. IQ - Ever --------- You know the old story about the five-piece progressive rock band whose charismatic vocalist leaves and under the guidance of a new front man abandons its prog roots in search of commercial success? Well, this release answers the question "what would happen if the original vocalist returned?" - a return to their past glories! Kalaban - Resistance Is Useless ------------------------------- Any band which gives its releases titles taken from The Hitch-hiker's Guide To The Galaxy (their debut was "Don't Panic", their next will be "Hmmmm.... Tricky") must be worth a listen. This Utah-based band are definitely. They purvey a very complex, laid-back, jamming form of progressive rock, which holds your interest for many repeated listenings. Alan Parsons - Try Anything Once -------------------------------- Eric Woolfson and the "Project" name may be missing, but the sound remains the same. Immaculately produced adult oriented rock. Happy Rhodes - Equipoise ------------------------ Her best release yet IMHO. Solstice - New Life ------------------- Another progressive rock band returns from the grave! A wonderfully melodic offering with great vocals (somewhat reminiscent of Annie Haslam) and some lovely folk tinges. In other categories: Best debut release by an Ectoid artist: Heather Nova - Glow Stars ------------------------- Shades of Tori lyrically and vocally, All About Eve melodically and numerous other Ecto mainstays in places. Sometimes very beautiful, sometimes very wierd. Most disappointing release: Kate Bush - The Red Shoes ------------------------- (Retreats into concrete bunker!) Geoff Parks ======================================================================== From: brianb@netcom.com (Brian Bloom) Subject: Re: Help!!! Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 08:00:20 -0800 (PST) Oh, I'm not trying to start any sort of flamewar, in fact I was hoping to quell one. It's my opinion that many people think of Rush as some sort of conservatist agitator trying to tear apart the liberals. I just wanted to share what *I* knew about him, and what he himself said; that he is there to entertain. I personally think he is rather surprised at how seriously he *is* taken! Be that as it may, I was just trying to interject a little openmindedness on the subject. I see too many people bashing rush when they know so little about him. (Which to me is perilously close to bashing gays when someone knows little about them) So with that final note, I'll happily drop the subject ;) Merry Christmas/Happy holidays to all... br!an -- o __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__/\__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | U.T.|| / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / Br!an Bloom \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ brianb@netcom.com .. but music hides me so well, ..and reveals me.. oh well - HR ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 12:38:48 -0500 (EST) From: King o' Pain Subject: Re: now _that's_ what I call a delay! >Received: from emoryu1.cc.emory.edu by > ns1.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.5/3.08) > with TCP id AA04499; Tue, 14 Dec 93 07:24:06 EST >Received: by emoryu1.cc.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_cc.3.4.12) via MAILPROG > id AA15928 ; Thu, 21 Oct 93 11:10:20 -0400 >wow! I *hate* our system here at Emory. First, a couple of months ago, it decided everyone on ecto would enjoy my post so much that it would send it to them every half hour for a day and a half. Now, it felt I *really* didn't want to send something in October. It would be much better for it to go out 2 months later! I'm waiting for it next to start composing mail for me by itself. Stuart ______________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg "I need more things. I need more money. Emory Univ. Law School Don't want to work. Want things for free." labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu -Jane Siberry _o_ |< ______________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 19 Dec 1993 15:03:28 -0500 (EST) From: HOLLY@umbc2.umbc.edu Subject: Asthma Oh, Jeff! >> The plastic >> thingee was some kind of measuring device. > > This was a "peak flow meter." > > How do I know? > > I don't just get to use 'em at the doctor's office. > > I *OWN* one. Jeff knows so much about asthma, him being asthmatic and all, I hereby deem him an "asmathmatician." >> "Inhaler?" I thought. "Only *sick* people need those! > > Wow! Does that mean I get to call in sick whenever I want? If you worked for me, you could! (hug) >> I was gurgling because my lungs weren't getting the air I was taking >> in when I breathed. > > Welcome to the wonderful world of asthma... I was sort of hoping I didn't have to deal with the "A" word. I've gurgled like that for as long as I can remember, especially at night. I's kind of embarrassed by it 's why I never asked the doctor or my parents or my sister who is a doctor about it. Asthma sort of runs in my family, but not all of us have it. I was hoping I didn't have it. >> I was sick with bronchitis/pneunomitis and wrote me >> a prescription for an antibiotic I can pronounce but not spell > > Ooh! I wonder if it was the same one *I* had to take after I was sick for > close to 6 weeks? Oh, Jeff! SIX WEEKS? I am so sorry! It's all over now, right? > so they tried Biaxin (a nasty sort of "super" > erythromyacin) and that turned the trick. Yay! Now I can spell "erythromyacin!" That's what I'm on, and I've been on it since Monday and it helped some, but I'm still not 100%. > Unfortunately, this bout with > bronchitis set off the worst period I've had with my asthma since fall '91 > and I'll be on *extra* drugs for at least another 6 weeks. :-( I offer you sympathy, Jeff, but I hope I don't become able to offer you any more empathy than I already can. > Speaking of which, did you get my e-mail regarding when Tim B. would be in > town? Perhaps it arrived when you were too sick to parse it... Yes, I got it, and I'm trying to figure out the best way to deal with this. I wanted to have the party on a day that he'd be in town, but I wanted to avoid having it the day after Christmas. 27 December is the first night I'll be with mah honey after about four month's absence, and I sort of wanted to have that time alone with my dear one to get "reacquainted" ;). I might be able to change the party to the 28th, but that's still a weekday and I know that you and Mike would have quite a haul to get to my house and you might not make it. What to do? Any suggestions? > Dunno if there are any smokers out there on > Ecto, but I feel like sharing the fact that I find it incredibly offensive > to see someone destroying *by choice* their lungs, while I'm stuck with a > bum set. Well, I smoke. I had a pack a day habit for years, and then I cut down to a few a day. I tend to smoke more when I drink. At first, smoking is a choice, but it soon becomes a serious addiction. Smokers complain about no-smoking rules not so much that they can't smoke when and where they want, but because they feel like second or third-class citizens. When breathing became difficult for me, I decided I'd not hurt my lungs any more. But for other people, smoking is a source of pleasure, and if they don't mind that smoking may hurt them in the long run and it doesn't hurt them or anybody else, then I say, "smoke 'em if ya got 'em." There are people who die of lung cancer who have never smoked or had lots of exposure to smoke in their lives. Before the mass production of cigarettes, people (men, mostly) had a cigarette or two or a cigar after dinner. 'Twas no big deal. But when the work of rolling your own (expensive and time-taking) was already done and mass production of cigarettes made smoking cheaper, lots of folk got hooked. > So come on...if you smoke, quit. Easier said than done, but 's good advice. > Or at least do me the favor of trading > lungs with me--ruin a set that's already fucked up. If smokers could feel what it's like to have painful, asthmatic breathing, I think they'd make an effort to stop. It sure worked for me. > Anyway, glad to hear you're on the road to recovery, Holly... Thanks! I hope *you* get to feelin' better, too! Holly ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 19 Dec 93 22:43:18 CST From: kiri Subject: chicago And The Greatest Band The 26th sounds good to me!! Boy life sux right now. Everyone is gone, cept me cause i'm still working. BUT all my neighbors cept for the ones at the other end of my building are gone so that means ultra loud stereo week! Today I dug into the cassette box and yanked up my Split Enz tapes. Split Enz at high volume!!! ahhhhhh The greatest band in the world, imho. missing her cats kiri ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)