Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #913 ecto, Number 913 Wednesday, 15 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Skipping Work Tales Re: love?!? Celebrity/fan relationship Update from Mt. Zion My top 10 for 1993 Lost in a world of my own Re: Skipping Work Tales Re: an ectophile meets her goddess Re: stuff Re: KATE!!! COME BACK!!!!!! Deep Forest's "Sweet Lullaby" & have DCD :) Ecto Party and phone calls Caterwaul update or downdate Dark end of Diamanda Re: The stuff that titles of Humphrey Bogart movies are made of ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Skipping Work Tales Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 23:28:20 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu >Anybody else got a skipped work tale? >Another thread perhaps? Okay, my turn... This is actually a multi-level story I was temping for an aerospace company, working in the joint program office for the companies involved in a *huge* gov't contract, filling in for the "contracts administrator" who was taking a leave of absence. This job largely involved tracking and delivering, on a daily basis, various contractual documents between the gov't and my office. The fun thing was that P, for whom I was filling in, had held the job for ~5 years and was the only one who truly knew what her job entailed...not a whole hell of a lot. Everybody knew that she spent an awful lot of time over at naval air systems command, but nobody really know what she did over there. What was supposed to be a 4+ week job for me turned into about 3 months. It wasn't until about halfway through that I got comfortable doing what P would do. This basically involved saying, "I'm heading over to NavAir. See you later." The NavAir business only took about 15 minutes on average. I'd finish that and then disappear for a couple of hours! On nice, spring days I would sit out in the local park and read a book (easy to sneak out of the office since I had to carry my delivery materials anyway). Or I'd shop for CDs (easy to sneak back into the office in my folders). Or I'd get in my car and drive the couple of miles over to the Mall for some kiting (hoping all the while I didn't get all muddy...). One day I went out and drove to a couple of different stores in search of some rollerblades. It was horrible at first, the guilt and the fear of getting caught. But there was really nothing to worry about either way... They thought I was a stellar employee! But here's the one that I *did* feel guilty about: The last time P extended her leave of absence *again*, and I was asked if I could stay on, I said yes with one condition: I needed a particular Friday off for a stunt kite competition. I wanted to drive to Ocean City on Thursday night and spend Friday practicing/getting used to flying on sand again, etc, before the competition started on Saturday. My boss agreed, and I *promised* I would be back on Monday, though I warned 'em I might be in late (Fridays were typically busy days and things would get backlogged...). So of course, Sunday night rolls around and I just have *no* interest in driving back to DC for work the next morning. So I spend the night at the beach and get up bright and early the next morning in *plenty* of time to drive to work by, oh, probably 11:00am (I even had work clothes with me). But no, not me, I get up, clean up the apartment, and drive down to the boardwalk for some more kiting. It was a *gorgeous* day. And around noon, I went over to the pay phone in front of the kite store and called and said that I had overslept because I'd been so exhausted the night before, and how I didn't think I'd get back to DC in time to come in to work, all the while hoping that my boss couldn't hear the waves pounding and the seagulls crying. It was a great day. ;-) Jeff ======================================================================== From: mbravo@tctube.spb.su (Michael E. Bravo) Subject: Re: love?!? Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 02:47:31 +0300 (MSD) > It really is going through the wall. To let yourself love, you have to > open up your defenses - and you open yourself up to getting hurt. There's > a definite freedom to being open, without the walls that hem you in the > pattern. The cost is having to absorb the pain. But if you don't leave > yourself open to the pain, you're also not leaving yourself open to the > love. I guess the key is to be sure who you're opening up to - either > that or learn to endure the pain in the short term until you find someone > who can appreciate the openness and not cause the pain. Hey, I'm going to print that and tack it to the wall above my monitor (hmm, well, I'll have to clean up some space there :) )! I second that, and thanks for the excellent wording. Which reminds me - sometimes I do like English more than Russian.. it's so much more concise and expressive... Thanks again -- Michael E. Bravo AKA /\/\ike 7 812 231 3951 (home) The Communication Tube and Tusovka, Inc. mbravo@tctube.spb.su ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 04:10:00 BST Subject: Celebrity/fan relationship Chris, I know what you mean about approaching Famous people. I, too, would be afraid to walk right up there and talk to Happy. I know from Susanne White that she is very shy, actually. I'd invited her and Kevin over for dinner when they were in town, only a half mile away. Susanne told me Happy had never even had dinner with her (except out on business)! So I think you did the right thing. It must be tough being famous, if you just want to relax and enjoy a show. The celebrity/fan relationship is indeed strange and fragile. I thought on the basis of the zillion ectosynchronitic coincidences when I met Happy she would be interested in talking with me in more detail, but so it goes. I was lucky enough to get a Christmas card from her and Kevin last year, and this year I sent them a pretty nifty card. Oh, and they sent me Equipoise for my birthday, replete with a charming inscription. So I'm luckier than most. Of course, once she hears what I've done on the HGP she may never speak to me again, but that's another story!:) BTW, Doug, did you ever get the package??!! +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co + Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ Speaking of music, Chris, I'd love to see chords and/or whatever posted here. It was only a few months ago that someone posted a few songs, alas, I haven't yet found them but I should have them somewhere. Is there a place in the archives for stuff like this? ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 04:09:00 BST Subject: Update from Mt. Zion Today my mom had a triple bypass, and the prognosis is good. She is now back in the ICU, hooked up to the machine that goes "ping!" and hopefully on the road to recovery. Again, thanks to all of you for your concern and thought. Ecto is so much more than the sum of its parts. I hope I didn't ramble too deleriously in my post last night. I just wanted everybody to know how special they all are! I'm not really a new age noodler, just a seeker after truth. Be here now. Will keep you informed of the recovery. Again, thanks to you all! +*************************************************************************+ + Robert Lovejoy + I've got a letter here postmarked Deep Space + + Deepspace + -The Firesign Theatre + + Cherry Hill, NJ + But baby I'm here and I've been quite an + + r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.co + Alien too... + + kdvn07a on Prodigy + -Happy Rhodes + +*************************************************************************+ ps - I'll write directions for New Years day and post them to any and all who ask! Paul and brni, thanks for the messages and I'll get the directions off soon! ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 14 Dec 93 21:51:35 PST From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: My top 10 for 1993 Hi, Well since this thread has started here's my top 10 for 1993 in no particular order: Einstuerzende Neubauten - Tabula Rasa I loved this album on first listen. It blends the edgy feeling of industrial music with beautiful melodies and themes. 'Zebulon' must be one of my favorite songs of all times for its wonderful use of metaphors, and 'Die Interimsliebenden' for its blend of styles. Peter Gabriel - US This doesn't really count, but D^2 had Bel Canto which was out last year, and Jeffy had this one too, so I guess it's OK. Although it came out a year ago, 1993 was the year that it made its impact. This is my favourite PG album for songs like 'Come talk to me', 'Digging in the dirt', 'Blood of eden', and 'Washing of the water'. Actually there isn't a single song that I dislike (except maybe 'Kiss that frog'). Happy Rhodes - Equipoise Though not Happy's best *album*, it includes songs that show her growth as a songwriter/singer and producer. 'Out like a lamb', 'The flight', 'Closer' and 'I say' are among my all-time favourite Happy songs. There are some songs that I haven't listened to in months, but the quality of the others is redeeming for the whole. Kate Bush - The Red Shoes My favourite Kate album. Remember I didn't like 'The Dreaming' until 1990, so I don't share the dedication to old-KaTe that most KaTe fans have. This album has everything from absolutely brilliant songs ('Big Stripey Lie', 'Song of Solomon' and 'The red shoes') to pop gems ('Rubberband Girl', 'Why should I love you?') to songs that grow on you ('Eat the Music' works if you hit the FF button at the 3 minute mark :)). Nirvana - In Utero This is what today's music sounds like. Kurt Cobain is only going to get better as the years go by. 'All Apologies', 'Dumb', 'Rape me' are brilliant songs that only he could write. I love this album. U2 - Zooropa Even though Achtung Baby was better (nothing can capture the pain in songs like 'So Cruel' and 'One') this album has its own merits. Morphine - Cure for pain If it included 'In spite of me' 10 times, it would still have made this list. The rest of the tracks are also great. Happy Rhodes-HR5 Not an album per se, but I had to include the amazing covers of 'Ashes to Ashes' and 'Feed the fire' somewhere. Big Catholic Guilt-Judgment The Boston industrial band that shows that there is some future in this sort of music. Loved their first release 'Possession' too. Tribe-Sleeper Although it isn't IMHO as good as 'here at the home', their debut, it still is a very good album. These are the new albums that marked 1993 for me. There were of course other albums which I discovered this year that I liked and over played: Tom Robinson-We never had it so good, Diamanda Galas-The masque of the red death, Morphine-Good, etc... I hope I haven't forgotten anything. Then again I can always ammend this list before the year is over.:) Angelos (12 days til I head for the other hemisphere) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 13:57:54 +0800 From: m.dougiamas@info.curtin.edu.au (Martin Dougiamas) Subject: Lost in a world of my own G'day people! Though I'm still on the digest list I'm months and months and months behind on Ecto ... at the moment they just get thrown into dank, obscure folders on my hard disk where they breed and multiply among themselves. My life has been taking a rather different direction lately, one in which making music is all I want to do... I'm only at work enough to support my recording addiction, so a lot of things like frequenting the Internet have had to go. To the point: I'm still interested in how Happy's career has progressed this year ... can someone mail me a quick summary of what's been going on in the lives of Happy and Ecto this year? Just so I can keep in touch with you all even if I can't join you. Sonically yours, Martin -- Your eyes are weary from staring at the screen. Your eyelids feel very heavy. You feel very sleepy. Watch the cursor. Notice how restful it is to watch it blink. Close your eyes. All the opinions stated above are yours. You cannot imagine why you ever felt otherwise. When you awake, you will be irresistably compelled to send all your money to: Martin Dougiamas, martin@cs.curtin.edu.au ======================================================================== From: mbravo@tctube.spb.su (Michael E. Bravo) Subject: Re: Skipping Work Tales Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 10:00:09 +0300 (MSD) Jim writes: > Anybody else got a skipped work tale? Well, I almost invariably have the kind of job which allows me to disappear suddenly and without warning (oh, okay, with a warning via email or belated LD call). I mean, I'm choosing such jobs, even if that means lower salary. I value the ability to get moving at any given moment, and for the most part I succeed in having such freedom :) For example, Paul knows of at least one case when I was sitting at home (60 km from St.Petersburg, remember?) around 22:00, got on to IRC, found Paul and a bunch of other friends from Moscow there, chatted a bit, then decided that they're going to have a party there and just stood up and went to Moscow - at 8am I was already there :) - what does a measly 800+ km distance mean to a freak used to talk with people halfway down the globe :)) My parents usually get a bit pissed off at such sudden comings and goings, though :) -- Michael E. Bravo AKA /\/\ike 7 812 231 3951 (home) The Communication Tube and Tusovka, Inc. mbravo@tctube.spb.su ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 03:04:41 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: an ectophile meets her goddess Meredith: > I think I'm the only ectophile to get to meet Kate last Thursday. Well, at least you did! :) Congrats! > {Katefans are a generally calm and demuere lot- not all of them are > .gaffans! :} *laugh* I just have to say, after all the things that have been said about gaffa in here lately, that I agree with them (and am on gaffa). I'm really not pleased by it lately. I don't think new people are made to feel welcome at all unless they happen to know the color of Kate's underwear! (No, I don't!) > ME: Hi Kate. Having fun? > KT: [pauses while those last four words percolate through her signing- > glazed psyche] Wot? Wow, from accounts so far you seem to be the only one who managed to start the converstion under your control. Pretty impressive too! > She really isn't- but we'd sure as hell like her to be! :) She really isn't, but she's one hell of an artist. --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 03:18:18 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: stuff Kiri: > I also want to thank everyone for all the well-wishes regarding my > impending partnership with court. Ecto _is_ a special place. I just wanted to add my congratulations to both of you as I hadn't yet. Congrats and hugs! :) --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 03:48:41 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Re: KATE!!! COME BACK!!!!!! > >> The show can be heard on all radio stations in North America that carry > >> the syndicated radio show Modern Rock Live (from WDRE). The host of ... > AAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! > > get 1/2 a week behind on ecto and see what happens?? > > > > did anyone tape this show? I posted in gaffa before her scheduled interviews on Z100 (was cancelled) in NY and the above that I thought it would be great to make an audio tape tree of her interviews. I still think it's a good idea but think more should be on it than the one interview, even if it means two tapes. Well anyway, see the gaffa post if it's still hanging around. I don't know if there will be enough interest. It should be easy though. --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 04:35:40 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Deep Forest's "Sweet Lullaby" & have DCD :) I hope I'm not getting song and album names mixed up again. Anwyay, I'm guessing Deep Forest has been mentioned here before. I tend to sort of skim and forget (since my name memory is weak) about all the numerous artists talked about in here that I haven't heard. Well I have heard the song on MTV's 120 Min twice, and like it. Anyone with more info? The video was shot in 8 or so different countries, many of which were identifiable, and one being Russia in particular (Mike Bravo, listen up :). The VJ tried to explain but was as vague as Kate. *grin* The music may be from as many places as well. The song reminds me of DCD, but I've only had DCD's _Into the Labyrinth_ long enough to listen to it a few times. I like it a lot so far. :) --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 93 09:53:05 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: Ecto Party and phone calls Hi there, Vicky, thanks for your big *HUGS*!!! I do have to point out, though, that it was actually Chip who rung, not me. He came up with the idea before I had a chance, furthermore he knew the phone number by heart! = ) Actually Chip pointed out to me yesterday the I actually know "The Cool Thing", I just wasn't aware that I do! = ) And to all Ectophiles who came to the party: don't you worry about my phone bill!!!!!! = ) ...right, I guess that's all I wanted to say! Bye for now, *hugs* to every- body, Ilka = ) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 06:05:35 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Caterwaul update or downdate Someone had asked me about Caterwaul and I said I would get back to them on what their current status was. I don't remember who it was but I believe there are others who would be interested. As I said then, they had broken up a few years ago due to internal and label problems. (A real shame, IMHO, as I thought they were great.) Before that, a friend of mine had lent them some money to help fund their next album, which was going to be called _Killer Fish_. Of course it isn't anything now and he doesn't have the money either but oh well, it was a worthy cause. However he knows that Betsy Martin and Kevin Pinnt are in their own band, perhaps called Sea Hags, and have an otherwise new line-up. I really hope it goes well for them! Fred Cross is in a band in Phoenix, maybe called FPC??? And Mark Schafer, who knows. Alex (' Aphrodisiac) --- AlexGibbs arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu |\| | (~, |-| ~|~ |-| /-\ \/\/ |< "A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools." "Have you ever seen a picture of Jesus laughing? Mmm, do \ Why Should I you think He had a beautiful smile? A smile that healed." \ Love You? ======================================================================== Date: 15 Dec 1993 08:15:20 -0500 From: pas@math.ams.org (Paula Shanks) Subject: Dark end of Diamanda I think it's a function of the ecto birthyear histogram bulge that Diamanda Galas can sing "Dark End of the Street" and few know the song. It's a well-aged tune--I first heard it via the Flying Burrito Brothers, but from the Penn/Moman tunesmiths I'm sure it has been kicking around Nashville for thirty or forty years. Ry Cooder did an instrumental version of it on his first or second record. I think even Aretha has recorded it. I bet there's five or six versions in my record library. No doubt I was thinking along these lines unconsciously when our own OldBob of Cherry Hill popped into my dreams this morning. Bob, you looked just like I pictured you, haha. You got a phone call at the deli and were holding up the line while the counter person waited to hear what your choice of beverage was. I dreamed of Nigel Kennedy, Cary Grant and Irene Dunne the night before, so you're in good company. --Pshanks (up there with OldBob in the rarefied air of the early 50s) INTJ (could there possibly be any E's on this list? it would seem that mainly I's would gravitate to ectofodder) ======================================================================== Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1993 13:39:52 +0000 From: S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk (Steve Fagg's Mac) Subject: Re: The stuff that titles of Humphrey Bogart movies are made of At 3:34 pm 14/12/93 -0800, neilg@sfu.ca wrote: > Nevertheless, there are some hypocritical ironies at times, in my >opinion. Like people opposed to fur who wear leather. They are often >on inconsistently shaky ground, it seems to me. As with your views on vegetarianism deleted above, it depends upon one's reasons for opposing the fur trade. The leather used in clothing can usually be argued to come from a renewable source. As far as I'm aware it's usually pigskin or cowhide, neither of which are endangered species. You can't really tell if somebody is being hypocritical unless you understand their rationale (or lack of it) for their apparently inconsistent statements and actions. > People can be so irrationally passionate about things like food, eh? >I mean, people can happily eat portions of pig carcass without a >thought, and make all sorts of histrionic pronouncements about eating >the flesh of, say, a cat or a dog. Or insects. Or they'll eat a prawn >but gag at the idea of eating the biologically not so distant >tarantula, etc. I find this quite amusing. I've never been convinced of a qualitative difference between the animals people will eat (pigs, sheep, cows, chickens) and those they won't (cat, dog, horse, even rabbit for some). Nor the difference between eating some parts of an animal but not being willing to eat the kidneys, liver, heart, tongue, brains, sweetmeats, and so forth. A friend of mine loves eating fish, but he won't touch it if it's served with the head still attached! -- Regards Steve Fagg ( S.L.Fagg@bnr.co.uk +44-279-402437 ) BNR Europe Ltd., London Road, Harlow, Essex, CM17 9NA, UK *** "Better drowned than duffers. If not duffers, won't drown". *** ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)