Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #894 ecto, Number 894 Tuesday, 7 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Gabriel on *P* MOP and lookalike There is life in Mississippi Re: ecto #892 Big Fires Suck December 6th in Germany Re: ecto #891 Happy Christmas to everyone Re: There is life in Mississippi HST servicing mission and Happy Cards... used disks and promos Kate and other reviews Re: Kate and other reviews Alison Moyet / Cranberries ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 01:19:00 BST Subject: Gabriel on *P* Peter Gabriel was "on-line" on Prodigy today. As many of you don't use that service, here are three excerpts. The concept is, write him some mail, and then he answers with reply mail, all posted tonight. Not exactly interactive, but there were some interesting replies, to wit: Someone asked about Kate Bush: J$ k ! PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service 12/06/93 8:02 PM J$ J$ MUSIC J$TOPIC: PETER GABRIEL J$TIME: 12/06 2:01 PM J$ J$TO: CATHY COLUCCI (VVXA46A) J$FROM: PETER GABRIEL (STAR99B) J$SUBJECT: "KATE BUSH" J$ J%Hello Cathy: I have no plans to work with Kate Bush. I J$actually bumped into her in a restaurant last night, she was J$sitting at the table next to us, and I hadn't seen her for 3 J$years. So, there's nothing planned but I really enjoy her J$work and if something comes up I'm sure we could do J$something again in the future. J$Peter Gabriel Regarding XPLORA: J$ k ! PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service 12/06/93 8:05 PM J$ J$ MUSIC J$TOPIC: PETER GABRIEL J$TIME: 12/06 1:55 PM J$ J$TO: CHRIS JERNIGAN (KJPK74A) J$FROM: PETER GABRIEL (STAR99B) J$SUBJECT: "XPLORA" J$ J%Hello Chris: we hope the Xplora will be distributed in both J$computer shops and record shops, that is the plan. We J$firstly tried to allow for some interactivity, for people to J$get inside the work; there's a simple mixing facility, which J$has 4 tracks of bass, drums, guitars and voice. People can J$do their own mix of 'Digging in the Dirt.' They can get J$access to any of the tracks on the last record and see the J$artwork that was specially commissioned for it, and hear the J$artist talking about it. They can see the videos and the J$lyrics to any of the songs. J$ There is a section which will allow them to tour the J$studio in which they can have a jam session organized by J$Brian Eno, in which various musicians from different J$countries are available on a screen. You'll have 31 J$different combination options to see how they might play J$together. There's a section where you can choose various J$instruments from around the world and click on different J$strings, drum skins, whatever to hear how they sound when J$played. So you can actually, in a very primitive way, play J$these instruments. J$ There are also various elements that are fun, such as J&working with animation; there's a suitcase and you can J$collect little items that will leave you a present behind if J$you find all the objects. J$ Of particular interest for me is the way things looked and J$after the Real World style we tried to combine the handmade J$and high tech, the natural as well as the manmade world, so J$that there's very much an organic feel to the design, which J$I think is a little different than the other stuff out J$there. J$ So although I think it's been very much a learning J$experience, a lot of ideas that we've gathered we can use J$for future projects and this is a breakthrough in quite a J$few areas. J$ J$Peter Gabriel And on Digital Technology: J$ k ! PRODIGY(R) interactive personal service 12/06/93 8:05 PM J$ J$ MUSIC J$TOPIC: PETER GABRIEL J$TIME: 12/06 4:04 PM J$ J$TO: JOHN PARENTI (SRGW14A) J$FROM: PETER GABRIEL (STAR99B) J$SUBJECT: "ALL DIGITAL STUDIO" J$ J%Hello John: I think that the possibilities of the digital J$technology are wonderful and we are only scratching the J$surface. I believe that we function in 2 ways in the studio J$or in any creative process. One is what I call Energy A J$which is analytic energy and the other energy is Z or Zen J$Energy which is spontaneous, improvised, performance-based J$energy. It seems that the ultimate creative tools would J$maximize the possibilities of both modes of operation. In J$other words, you put the red light on, function with Energy J$Z, improvising the melody, then you switch over and put on J$Energy A and start analyzing and improving on the J$improvisation. The next layer would be perhaps to create a J$joystick with different timbres around the paremeter that J$you could then access; you could switch the red light on J$again and get into the second performance, which would be to J$define the timbre of each part of the melody. Then you move J$over to the analysis, Energy A again and you repeat this J$process building up different performance parameters until J$you arrive at your finishing point. At the moment the J$technology can sometimes lose their magical moments by J$taking you to a different type of thinking and a different J&type of response. J$ J$ I started off as a huge digital fan, but in recent years J$have realized some of the shortcomings. In terms of the J$actual sound there's room for a lot of improvement. The way J$that the digital system cuts up still leaves a lot of hard J$edges and although some of the filtering and editing systems J$have improved this, there is still a lot of room for further J$improvement. With analog systems everything gets rounded off J$at the edges and I think with the brain's pattern of J$recognition processes we read into that some sort of cloudy J$roundness, some things that aren't always there, but it J$serves to provide a warmer and sweeter sound than the J$current processes we use for digital. J$ J$Peter Gabriel A brief excerpt. Take care, everyone, and until next time... *************************************************************************** ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 22:08:16 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Gabriel on *P* Bob Lovejoys: > Peter Gabriel was "on-line" on Prodigy today. As many of you don't use > that service, here are three excerpts. The concept is, write him some mail, > and then he answers with reply mail, all posted tonight. Not exactly > interactive, but there were some interesting replies, to wit: WAAAHHH!!!! I wish I'd known about this. I *really* want to know if Peter has ever received and listened to the Happy CDs I've tried to get to him. Is this going to be a regular thing? If so, *please*, will someone ask him? Btw, is anyone who's going to Tower to meet Kate willing/up to giving Kate Happy CDs? I've sent her 2, but who knows if she ever got them or listened to them. A personal gift would at least assure she's *seen* something by Happy. Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 22:13:45 EST From: jessica Subject: Re: Gabriel on *P* Vickie, Greg and I will be in NY on thursday to see Kate - we have already agreed to bring at least one happy CD :) We knew you'd given her happy cds before, but as you say, we have no idea if she's heard them, and it can't possibly hurt to give her one or two in person. jessica || falafel, || It is this || Don't try to tell me there's no reason for || || falafel, || that brings || any moment in time, every memory of mine. || || falafel, || us together. || Those years are lines of color on my face, || ||BaBaGanough|| --Kate || the past is warpaint. --Happy Rhodes || ======================================================================== From: ezust@binkley.cs.mcgill.ca (Alan Ezust) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1993 23:00:16 -0500 Subject: MOP and lookalike [In message "Surprise, surprise..." on Dec 6, Mr. Plow writes:] | both just as nice in real life as they are around here. I felt very | privlidged to be the first to show them the "Moments of Pleasure" CD | singles, *and* to be the first person to play them "Show a Little | Devotion". Privileged? I got a very sadastic pleasure out of showing them to my hopeless katefan friend who has to buy everything she comes out with, even if it's a shameless piece of marketing where you're paying $9 for the packaging material and a CD which has songs which do not fill below two criteria: 1) being previously unavailable 2) being worth listening to (hey did you know that "begin" is an anagram of "being"? spending the last semester teaching Pascal made me accidentally type begin instead of being, and it took me a while to catch it!) Personally, releases like MOP make me so glad I didn't like TRS, since I have better things to spend my money on then crap like this. [In message "new lookalike candidate" on Dec 6, Mike Mendelson writes:] | Newest Happy Rhodes lookalike candidate: Liz Story What do you mean "newest"? Liz Story is a blast from the past, to me anyway. I remember seeing her videos from "Unaccountable Effect" ages ago... And yes now that you mention it, I have a vague picture of her in my head which does remind me of Happy Rhodes too... -- | Alan Ezust ezust@{binkley.}cs.mcgill.ca Montreal, Quebec, Canada | |------------- McGill University School of Computer Science ----------------| We wish you a slushy x-mas and an icy new year! ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 06 Dec 93 21:24:31 CST From: kiri Subject: There is life in Mississippi I turned my radio on for the first time in ages to hear Kate being played by my station.... A few songs later...Dead Can Dance. It's a revolutioN! well back to my favorite program...Ill fly Away :) kiri ======================================================================== Subject: Re: ecto #892 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 0:16:45 CST From: Joe Zitt yngveh@stud.cs.uit.no (Yngve Hauge) writes: > Subject: Victoria Williams rerelease!! > > YAY!!!! > > 7 Dec *r Victoria Williams Happy Come Home Happy Rhodes Victoria Come Home The Laughing Dogs Lassie Come Home John Williams E T Phone Home (SILLY SEASON!!!!!) anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) horangues: > > > 2) Ingrid Chavez, _May 19 1992_. $4 ..... > I mentioned her a while ago. I *really* like this album, despite its dancey > leanings. Ingrid's speaking voice gets me every time. It's also very nice > musically in places, thanks to co-writer and producer Michael Koppelman, who > has since been here in Melbourne producing local band Frente and NZ band > Headless Chickens. Another somewhat Ectoid connection: Chavez is married to British singer David Sylvian, who (beside his own work) has sung with Robert Fripp, Japan, Rain Tree Crow, and Ryuichi Sakomoto (at whose "Heartbeat" recording he met Chavez). Unrelatedly: I dropped my HGP entry in the mail today, so I hope it makes the deadline. It's another of my own pieces, probably the most fun thing I've done. BTW, for any Ectophiles in the Houston, TX, area: my group, the Human Systems Performance Group, will be performing my new play (for which I also did the music, and in which I perform), "Gabrielle: A Living Hypertext", at the CyberCulture Houston Festival this weekend. Be there or be trapezoidal! ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Big Fires Suck Date: Mon, 6 Dec 93 22:51:25 PST They really do, you know? On Friday a large blaze gutted a half dozen suites in my apartment building and wrecked a good half of the building. Fortunately my apartment, although one of the closest ones to the flames, was on the good side of an intervening firewall, and it emerged unscathed. I suffered no damage at all! Phew! :) * * * * * * /------------ *--*-\ ------------*-------- | * ** * * |----------------\ | * * * |------------------ |-------------------| X | | | | | |-----------------| | | | --------------------------------------- ^---- Fire ^---- My Place. Luckily, no people got hurt at all. Only two casualties - the building manager's poor cat ( :( ) and someone else's caged bird. And nobody without insurance got their places trashed, which is incredibly lucky. Nevertheless, the whole thing has been terribly disruptive. The building's boiler, electrical connections, phone connections, water system, etc, were all on the ruined side of the building. So now I've become an itinerant, roaming between friends' and parents' places until things are sorted out. It looks like I'll have to find somewhere else to live for next year. Sigh. I kinda liked that place. It was nice. But it seems like it may be no more. (oh, and it might be a little while before I'll be able to check through my boxes to find that CD adapter, Neile!) And the moral of the story? Well, have you got fire insurance? Why not? Think of your Happy CDs - imagine not being able to replace 'em! How about a rope ladder if you live on anything but the ground floor? Checked the batteries in your smoke detector lately? Don't let this happen to YOU! :) Anyway, things aren't really that bad! I managed to get my undamaged computer set up in my friend's basement, so I can get back online and keep my emotional links with the world going! It's just that standing in the rain, watching one's building go up in flames is kind of a traumatic experience! Sigh. - Neil -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 07 Dec 93 09:43:25 CET From: Ilka Heber Subject: December 6th in Germany Hi Everybody, Mitch correctly remembered that there was *something* special in Germany on December 6th. Well, it's Nickolausi!!!! = ) Actually the proper name is Nickolaus Tag. Nickolaus is somebody like Santa Claus, I guess, he comes around at night and leaves little presents (mainly chocolate). The kids put their shoes outside so that Nickolaus can fill them. Of course you only get something if you were a nice kid over the year!!! I hope this sheds some light... = ) Ilka = ) P.S.: Yes, I must have been a good girl: I got a present, too!!! (just in case you wondered...) = ) ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 12:28:51 +0000 From: tjfs@tadtec.co.uk (Tim Steele) Subject: Re: ecto #891 Well, I have the new Melissa Ferrick now and it's time for a review... ...anyone want to buy a two-day-old copy in mint condition send me e-mail!! Tim ======================================================================== From: r.lovejoy1@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 12:07:00 BST Subject: Re: Gabriel on *P* Vickie, someone else asked Peter if he'd listened to some tapes he'd given him. Peter said he had a box full of discs and tapes people had given him on tour and was planning on listening to all of them when he got back home. Hope that helps. Neil, sorry to hear about the fire. My deepest condolences, though I'm glad your place survived basically intact. Still, moving is no fun... My HGP goes UPS blue today, so please hang in there Doug... In other news, good to see Hubble repairs moving along well! Hmmm, my new sig didn't work!!! Let me try that again: -foop- ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 13:19:54 GMT Subject: Happy Christmas to everyone I'm probably going to get this wrong but here goes!!! Weihnachten froh Wesoly Boze narodzenie Kerstmis blij Noel content Navidad feliz Natale lieto ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 10:11:51 EST From: bgupta@hannibal.atl.ge.com (Bob R Gupta) Subject: Re: There is life in Mississippi kiri, What radio station is this? I might be able to receive it. - Bob }} From @rutvm1.rutgers.edu:BYHARGIE@UMSVM.BITNET Tue Dec 7 00:44:01 1993 }} Subject: There is life in Mississippi }} To: ecto }} }} I turned my radio on for the first time in ages to hear Kate being }} played by my station.... }} A few songs later...Dead Can Dance. It's a revolutioN! }} }} well back to my favorite program...Ill fly Away :) }} }} kiri }} ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1993 10:50:33 -0500 (EST) From: SANDOVAL@stsci.edu Subject: HST servicing mission and Happy Cards... Hi everyone! Well, as I'm sure most of you have seen (at least the U.S. crowd), the Hubble Servicing mission is going along great! There's not a lot for us here at the Space Telescope Institute to do at the moment, except watch and assist if necessary. It's a very exciting time, and with the last major EVA tonight, it's nearing it's end. The Wide Field Planetary Camera II (WFPCII) has passed all it's aliveness tests, and seems to be working just fine. The astronauts didn't have any problems installing it, or removing WFPCI. This really is a tremendous crew, with lots of experience. I got to meet them last April, when they came to the Institute for a party. Talk about a confident group of people. :) Tonight, they install COSTAR, which is the corrective optics for the instruments. To do that, the will remove the High Speed Photometer (HPS) and put COSTAR in it's place. The HSP was the least used of all the instruments, since it acquired massive amounts of data per observation. It was used to measure things like the cycle for variable starts and pulsars. Ok, on to some Happy stuff... :) I'm sending a letter to Happy tomorrow, which will include a sample card or two for my "Happy Card" idea. Since Happy told Vickie that she thought it was a good idea, I figured (as did Vickie) that Happy should see a sample first so she could comment on it. When I hear back from Happy, I'll really start looking around for printing places so I can find out how much it will cost. So start thinking about if you want to have your own stack of "Happy Cards" to distribute. :) Also, while I was in San Diego recently, I found a copy of RhodeSongs in the Tower records on El Cajon Blvd. I bought it for my sister for Christmas, and hopefully they will start stocking more CD's. Just FYI, Neal... :) Hope everyone is doing well... :) Take care, John ======================================================================== From: c.furnald@genie.geis.com Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 15:53:00 BST Subject: used disks and promos I think I can give a fair perspective on the ""used disk" controversy. I have worked as a volunteer in college and community radio for 10 years, and have made a substantial part of my living as a freelance music writer for the last five. I receive, and eventually I do sell, many, many promo CDs. Every week, 100s of record companies big and small send out samples of new product (that's what THEY call it, from Rounder to Warner Bros.) to 1000s of radio stations, reviewers and other outlets, including RECORD STORES. These come from small places like Aural Gratification and huge conglomerates, with artists from pygmy singers to Kate Bush and Bruce Springsteen. I am a small potatoes guy in the corporate scheme, but on an AVERAGE week I receive 20-30 CDs and tapes in the mail, 99% unsolicited. I have thousands of great CDs to show for it, but I also have boxes of stuff I have no need, want or room for. So I sell them. It keeps me in a position to do the underpaid worl *I* do by giving me a small subsidy. I do not for one second buy the rap that I am taking food from the mouths of these artists, as most of the CDs I sell are bought by people who are curious about new music, but don't have an expense account that lets them buy 10 $15.00 CDs every week. I also know for a fact that most of the folks I sell CDs to buy plenty of new stuff, often more of the artist or style the first experimented with via a used CD from me or a store or whatever. Over the last twenty years I have bought 100s of used LPs and CDs. I never would have discovered Globestyle records and African music if it weren't for the rejected or already reviewed promo copy of "Madagascar 2" that I picked up for 6.00 instead of the import new price of 18.00. I just didn't have 18.00 bucks. I bought my first Richard Thompson album used (Hoey Pokey, I think) and have since bought 20 more RT albums and CDs at full price the minute they were released. Should I sell the promo copies I get? I think I must. My alternatives are a warehouse, or a dumpster. Who does a dumpster help? cliff ======================================================================== Date: 07 Dec 1993 11:26:05 -0400 (EDT) From: SB6112@ark.ship.edu Subject: Kate and other reviews I just had to respond to "Kate and other reviews". It stated that "this is the 4th CD since Alison Moyet split up with her Yaz collaborator, Vince Neil - Actually, it was Vince Clarke who was in Yaz. Vince Neil is the former lead singer of Motley Crue - I just thought that that would be a very amusing combination. Did you type the wrong name yourself? OR was it listed as Vince Neil in the review? Just curious. Sue Bacon SB6112@ARK.SHIP.EDU ======================================================================== Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1993 12:14:25 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Kate and other reviews On 7 Dec 1993 SB6112@ark.ship.edu wrote: > I just had to respond to "Kate and other reviews". It stated that "this > is the 4th CD since Alison Moyet split up with her Yaz collaborator, Vince > Neil - Actually, it was Vince Clarke who was in Yaz. Vince Neil is the > former lead singer of Motley Crue - I just thought that that would be a > very amusing combination. Did you type the wrong name yourself? OR was > it listed as Vince Neil in the review? Just curious. > Sue Bacon > SB6112@ARK.SHIP.EDU Whoops! What an embarrassing error! Fortunately, it was Out magazine's first, and mine second. Thanks for the correction! Michael ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Tue, 7 Dec 93 10:44:13 -0800 Subject: Alison Moyet / Cranberries Michael quotes Out magazine: > ESSEX, Alison Moyet - Seeping strings usher in the classy pop > dramas on Moyet's fourth CD since splitting with Yaz collaborator > Vince Neil. AH HA HA HA HA HA...excuse mHA HA HEE HEE HEE...errrm. Sorry. This just gave me about the funniest mental image I've had in quite a while. Just the thought of Alison Moyet doing duets with the lead singer of Motley Crue (would that be Motley Cruee if I adopted the net.convention for umlauts?) makes my day. Anyway, I think they meant Vince CLARKE. Then Anthony and Jeff chat: >> 1) Cranberries, "Linger" promo CD-single. $2 >> >> Great stuff...this has two non-album tracks, "Reason" and "Them", both of >> which are wonderful. I don't know if this CD had a "public" release, but > >It was released in the UK and Australia as a standard CD single. So where does "Liar" fit into all this? On the US CD-single it's the first of three non-album tracks, the others being "Them" and "Reason." I think it's the best of the three, definitely worth tracking down. (Or is it included on some versions of the album?) Ethan ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. 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