Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #885 ecto, Number 885 Wednesday, 1 December 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* RE: TRS At Night, NFE Is Schnopia, and B-Sides Re: HR Today's your birthday friend.... Rsponsz Cruise Bashing Re: Cruise Bashing His Cruiseness red riding hood (fwd) Et Tu, Mitch and other stories Addenda Is it just me... Re: Ectofest and schtuff! Re: CHART: Vancouver BC Canada: 11 Nov 93 / 18 Nov 93 ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 09:17:06 -0500 From: pearceja%pomis.dnet@wl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: RE: TRS At Night, NFE Is Schnopia, and B-Sides I N T E R O F F I C E M E M O R A N D U M Date: 26-Nov-1993 09:08am EST From: Lt Jeffrey A. Pearce PEARCEJA Dept: POSF Tel No: 55451 TO: _MAILER! ( _DDN[ECTO@NS1.RUTGERS.EDU] ) Subject: RE: TRS At Night, NFE Is Schnopia, and B-Sides Vickie, Sorry for the confusion. The Robyn I'm referring to is Robyn Hitchcock, who was quoted at the bottom of the message in question. For those of you who haven't heard him, please do. He's at once deliciously strange, beautifully lyrical, and very funny. He's particularly entertaining when performing live, as he creates bizarre stories in the space between the songs. As for my name, you did spell it wrong, apology accepted. I'm not sensitive to it, so no apology was necessary, but thanks anyway. Jeff PEArce ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:16:05 +0300 From: apg@demos.su (Paul Antonov) Subject: Re: HR Hi, >Paul(A) joins the fold (2 Pauls in one day!) Who's the second? :) >> I just recently got two Happy CD's (I've asked my friend to bring these >> from US). >What a nice friend, good for him! How did you hear about Happy and where >did your friend pick up the CDs? Um ... I've been silently watching r.m.g. for almost three years, so I know you, Vickie, and several others, quite well :) I've been interested in HR music for a long while, but only recently I got a chance to get it. It was a long story: I asked one friend in US to order these CD's, then to post them (using courier service with overnight delivery) to place where my another friend from Moscow stayed in DC for a couple of days :) These troubles exists mostly because of extremely expensive costs of postage to here - it's quite strange to pay $70-$90 to FedEx, TNT or DHL for delivering two CD's with total cost of $26 :) >> semi-technical meeting. Then I put these CD's to play, and the whole company >> sat down to the floor and silently listened for almost two hours. I never >> seen such response before, really ... >*Wonderful*!! Thank you for posting and telling us. Well.. I slightly programmed CD player, so the first song that brought attention was 'The Wretches Goes Awry' ;-) >Great! Normally I'd frown on giving cassette copies of Happy's albums, >but since it might be a lot harder for you to mail order her albums, I can >understand. Right now, spreading the music is the most important thing. It's quite difficult, you see. But, if I'll get enough requests it's possible to arrange things in a such way that postage can be relatively inexpensive ... there's also couple of different ways ... I gonna try to get the rest of her albums albums asap, anyway :) >> I think at first I'll talk with my friend who works at alternative music >> radio show in Moscow. I'll give him the only CD's I have ("Warpaint" and >> "RhodeSongs"). Such a talent as HR must not be wasted ... >Yes! Wonderful! (Ask your friend if he wants an American radio show >called "Suspended In Gaffa" - it's my show, and I feature female >artists such as Happy and Kate Bush and Jane Siberry and many others. >If he seems interested, I'll see what's involved in mailing a show >to Moscow.) I'll talk about it, of course :) >> Also, I wonder if HR have any video stuff?? >Not yet, sorry! That's sad. We have here quite good (but rare :( ) TV show big on alternative music. I've seen them several times, and they showed videos of artists and groups like Miranda Sex Garden, Nick Cave, Dead Can Dance, Laibach, Coil, Cocteau Twins etc. etc. I don't know them personally but it's relatively easy to get in touch with them here. >> -- Paul Antonov >> Demos, Moscow, Russia >Ooooh, keep warm! There was a feature on the news that Moscow is >having its coldest November in 50 years. Brrrr! *HUG*, if it helps! Thanks, it helps :) >Vickie >ps, I tried to "talk" to you but got the message "checking for invitation >on caller's machine" for apg@dream.demos.su That means only I wasn't logged in that time. Say finger @dream.demos.su another time. I can also be found on IRC with nick 'Apg'. C'mon :) It was nice to talk with you, -- Paul ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:23:46 +0300 From: apg@demos.su (Paul Antonov) Subject: Re: HR In message <9311251920.AA00219@miser.uoregon.edu> Steve VanDevender writes: >This is also amazing. Who's going to tell Happy about her latest >international fame? Vickie, Jessica, do you hear? :-) -- Paul ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 08:29:32 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* **** Pat Tessitore **** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Chip Lueck Thu December 5 1968 Sagittarius Ken Hoyme Sun December 8 1957 Sagittarius Shelby Sun December 13 1970 Roscoe the Frog Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== From: shark@cs.ucla.edu (Jeanne B. Schreiter) Subject: Rsponsz Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 09:29:29 -0800 (PST) Just a faint reply from the outback... As Steve V. mentioned in the last ecto posting--finding Paul Antonov on here from Russia made me read his post about 3 times...my question is: Has Happy come full circle? Round the world, less than 80 days. I mean think about it. Ecto parties in Europe. Ecto parties in the US. Certainly Australia. Happ(y) ness is full circle. :) Jeanne ..the poet, the baker, the candlestick maker...shark@cs.ucla.edu ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 14:47:29 -0500 (EST) From: King o' Pain Subject: Cruise Bashing seanympf asked: >Wait. Tom Cruise a good actor? OK, Tom Cruise will never be mistaken for Laurence Olivier, but he does have more talent than a lot of actors out there. It pains me to admit that because I don't like him personally. His whole Scientology thing gets on my nerves. And, he is single-handedly ruining Interview. First, he must have an ego the size of Kansas to read the novel and discover this character who is tall, blonde, and sophisticated and think, "Hey, I'm *perfect* for this role," even though he is short, brown-haired, and about as middle America as you can get. Then, he begins butchering the script and deleting anything he finds offensive (read: all homoeroticism), as if he should have any say in the matter. But having said all that, I have been impressed with his acting abilities before. I think he was great in _Born on the Fourth of July_ and _Rain Man_. He's also been absolutely dreadful in films, like _Cocktail_, _A Few Good Men_, etc., etc. However, I think that the reason for these bad roles is not so much his ability as it is the script or direction. He is not somebody who can rise above a bad film with his skills. But given the right director and the right script, he does well. And, I have faith in Neil Jordan's abilities to get a good performance out of him. Plus, as Vickie said, he does have something to prove. Of course, I will probably still hate the film, not because of Tom Cruise, Christian Slater, or anyone else, but just because it is going to be so ridiculously different from the novel. Speaking of which, does anyone know how they are going to deal with Claudia's character? Or has Tom "edited" her out? Stuart ______________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg "I need more things. I need more money. Emory Univ. Law School Don't want to work. Want things for free." labspm@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu -Jane Siberry _o_ |< ______________________________________________________________________________ ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 16:10:57 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Cruise Bashing On Fri, 26 Nov 1993, King o' Pain wrote: > ridiculously different from the novel. Speaking of which, does anyone know > how they are going to deal with Claudia's character? Or has Tom "edited" > her out? > > Stuart I have read somewhere that they found an unknown actress to play Claudia, and I think I also read that they made her a little older. Hmph! Michael ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 13:28:26 PST From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: His Cruiseness I've refrained as long as I could, but I've got to jump into the the Cruise bashing/defending fray. I've seen and enjoyed Tom Cruise in a number of movies (Rainman, Colour of Money, A Few Good Men, Top Gun), which all seem to have something in common to me. Cruise gets to play a young, shallow, conceited, pretty boy. He gets to grin charismatically and swagger about. Sometimes, when the situation calls for it, he gets to scrunch up his nose kind of like a gerbil and furrow his brow in confusion, or perhaps deep thought or any other emotion he has difficulty expressing. That's great for lots of rolls, and then ole Tom is fine for the part. Sometimes I've felt that other people might have brought greater depth to the problem, but Tom seemed to do ok by the part. The only movie I can think of where he really stepped outside of that kind of roll was "Born on the 4th of July", where he seemed pretty unconvincing to me, although it was hard to find him under all the Oliver Stone bombast. I don't give much thought to the Interview movie, but I expect little in terms of depth and surprises from Cruise. I did see a lot of surprises in A Perfect WOrld yesterday, the new Clint Eastwood/Kevin Costner film. Be forewarned that it is a real downer of a flick and has some pretty major flaws, but I was fascinated by the realistic and gray portrayal of Costner's character (he had very well developed good and evil sides. Actually, he had a pretty well developed code for living his life, which didn't really conform with societies.). I was expecting another Fugitive and got something very different, which included a pair of extremely grumpy friends, who were also expecting something very different. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 93 13:31:42 PST From: Neal R. Copperman Subject: red riding hood (fwd) Thought people might get a kick out of this. I didn't have the heart to remove all the headers, although it does make the message look incredibly long. Neal ----- Begin Included Message ----- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 12:34:03 -0800 (PST) From: "candace m. young" Subject: red riding hood (fwd) hi--i thought you might enjoy this... it's interesting... also, it's kind of neat to think of how many people have forwarded this on and on and on to others... i like e-mail. :-) candace ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1993 09:04:19 -0800 (PST) From: Todd Kooy To: canyou@u.washington.edu Subject: red riding hood (fwd) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1993 13:38:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mildred Chen To: kooy@u.washington.edu Subject: red riding hood (fwd) Your wish is my command. Enjoy and I hope your friend derives as much empowerment from the story as I did. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1993 22:52:33 -0800 (PST) From: Pauline Criscuola To: mildred chen Subject: red riding hood (fwd) I thought you might like this! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 6 Nov 1993 21:21:54 -0500 (EST) From: Bijan Marashi To: kuper@u.washington.edu, maitland@u.washington.edu, beckerjl@whitman.edu, smithck@whitman.edu, crisco@u.washington.edu Subject: red riding hood (fwd) i bet they'll like this over at whitman!! right? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 06 Nov 93 15:48:27 EST From: Oh Young Kwon To: "Michael B. Beckley" , "Jason D. Feldman" , "Farouk S. Ladha" , "David C. Reymann" , "Jonathan M. Reymann" , "Lara A. Swensen" , "Marc S. Wilson" , "Steven E. Wilson" , "Robert L. Ashe III" , "Mark R. Kutny" , kyle@hurricane.seas.ucla.edu, chong@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU, JSKIM@wesleyan.edu, marashib@gusun.acc.georgetown.edu Subject: red riding hood There once was a young person named Red Riding Hood who lived with her mother on the edge of a large wood. One day her mother asked her to take a basket of fresh fruit and mineral water to her grandmother's house -- not because this was womyn's work, mind you, but because the deed was generous and helped engender a feeling of community. Furthermore, her grandmother was not sick, but rather was in full physical and mental health and was fully capable of taking care of herself as a mature adult. So Red Riding Hood set off with her basket of food through the woods. Many people she knew believed that the forest was a foreboding and dangerous place and never set foot in it. Red Riding Hood, however, was so confident in her own budding sexuality that such obvious Freudian imagery did not hinder her. On her way to Grandma's house, Red Riding Hood was accosted by a Wolf, who asked her what was in her basket. She replied, "Some healthful snacks for my grandmother, who is certainly capable of taking care of herself as a mature adult." The Wolf said, "You know, my dear, it isn't safe for a little girl to walk through these woods alone." Red Riding Hood said, "I find your sexist remark offensive in the extreme, but I will ignore it because of your traditional status as an outcast from society, the stress of which has caused you to develop your own, entirely valid worldview. Now, if you'll excuse, me I must be on my way." Red Riding Hood walked on along the main path. But, because his status outside society had freed him from slavish adherence to linear, Western-style thought, the Wolf knew of a quicker route to Grandma's house. He burst into the house and ate Grandma, an entirely valid course of action for a carnivore such as himself. Then, unhampered by rigid, traditionalist notions of what was masculine or feminine, he put on grandma's nightclothes and crawled into bed. Red Riding Hood entered the cottage and said, "Grandma, I have brought you some fat-free, sodium-free snacks to salute you in your role of a wise and nurturing matriarch." ======================================================================== Red Riding Hood said, "Oh, I forgot you are as optically challenged as a bat. Grandma, what big eyes you have!" "They have seen much, and forgiven much, my dear." "Grandma, what a big nose you have -- only relatively, of course, and certainly attractive in its own way." "It has smelled much, and forgiven much, my dear." "Grandma, what big teeth you have!" The Wolf said, "I am happy with who I am and what I am," and leaped out of bed. He grabbed Red Riding Hood in his claws, intent on devouring her. Red Riding Hood screamed, not out of alarm at the Wolf's apparent tendency toward cross-dressing, but because of his willful invasion of her personal space. Her screams were heard by a passing woodchopper-person (or log-fuel technician, as he preferred to be called). When he burst into the cottage, he saw the melee and tried to intervene. But as he raised his ax, Red Riding Hood and the Wolf both stopped. "And what do you think you're doing?" asked Red Riding Hood. The woodchopper-person blinked and tried to answer, but no words came to him. "Bursting in here like a Neanderthal, trusting your weapon to do your thinking for you!" she said. "Sexist! Speciesist! How dare you assume that womyn and wolves can't solve their own problems without a man's help!" When she heard Red Riding Hood's speech, Grandma jumped out of the Wolf's mouth, took the woodchopper-person's axe, and cut his head off. After this ordeal, Red Riding Hood, Grandma, and the Wolf felt a certain commonality of purpose. They decided to set up an alternative household based on mutual respect and cooperation, and they lived together in the woods happily ever after. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Grins, DFB. ----- End Included Message ----- ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 16:55:54 CST From: Subject: Et Tu, Mitch and other stories Wednesday night, I officially became a two-cat cat person. The one kitten from out in back who returned after apparently being scared off by the burglar decided to follow me inside, and the rest is history. My incumbent cat, while not ecstatic about the new arrival, seems less rejecting than one might expect. Initially he hissed periodically at the other, but has not gotten more aggress- ive than that. He was, initially, somewhat avoidant of me (hence the title of this essay), but that passed quickly. The long-range picture looks favorable for peaceful coexistence, though I've become conditioned to expect arguments between them on the continuing state of the now-more-frequently-used litter box :-). Apart from this development, the long weekend is a placid time of intense moviegoing. I managed to get in _Eraserhead_ on Wednesday night, _A Streetcar Named Desire_ yesterday, and will shortly have to wrench myself away from post- ing to get to the Art Institute, where the Film Center is showing a well-review ed French film whose name escapes me. I've also managed to fill a tape with Christmas filler for the HGP management, and am optimistic about laying down much of my own verbal and musical contribution. I continue to urge all of you to do the same. Enjoy your backlog of leftover turkey :-). Mitch ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 17:23:53 CST From: Subject: Addenda In case you're in Chicago and don't yet have _TRS_, Coconuts now has it on sale for $11.98. The Red Riding Hood thing is one of those rare occasions when political correctness actually makes something more amusing :-). Mitch ======================================================================== From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) Subject: Is it just me... Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1993 23:33:33 -0600 (CST) ...or would anyone else here wince to go to a record store to see if they have any Happy, and they call it up on the computer, and say that there are two available items, _RhodeSongs_, which is Jazz, and _Warpaint_ ? I tried to tell them that it wasn't Jazz, but they didn't seem to care - they weren't things in stock, either, they were the only two things that they could order. I don't understand how they would have _Warpaint_ and not _Equipoise_ in their catalog; did Warpaint get a different sort of release, or distribution, or anything? This was a Specs record store; I don't know how big the chain is, but it's the major chain around where I grew up in Florida, I just wanted to see what they knew about her, apparently nothing. Jazz? C'mon! The Indignant Kath ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Re: Ectofest and schtuff! Date: Sat, 27 Nov 93 0:55:49 PST [Uli responds to Holly, who says:] > > As it is right now and hopefully for a long time, my taste in > > males is defined by a certain person on this list. (Don't worry, > > Neil, I won't discuss our passionate love affair in on Ecto!) > > ;-) (blush) - Neil -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== From: neilg@sfu.ca Subject: Re: CHART: Vancouver BC Canada: 11 Nov 93 / 18 Nov 93 Date: Sat, 27 Nov 93 1:07:07 PST > > THE GEORGIA STRAIGHT TOP 50 is a weekly survey of the best-selling > > albums in the Greater Vancouver area [...] Ah, yes! Us Vancouverites have such *excellent* taste in music! :) Of course, two of those individuals you mentioned - k.d. lang and Sarah McLachlan - are local gals who made it big! :) And I suppose I've contributed to the charts today. I picked up a copy of Thomas Dolby's Golden Age of Wireless (as did Neile, I think) and grooved on memories of high school and such - great album! And I also picked up McLachlan's latest effort. It's reasonably good on first listen, although not... focused, perhaps. I'm sure it'll grow on me. Interesting, too, that TRS seems to be doing well. I don't know how much airplay it's been getting. Oh-oh. Just looking at last week's charts... maybe we don't have such good taste after all! I mean, Frank Sinatra, Abba, Celine Dion, INXS, Garth Brooks, Janet Jackson... >cough< But there's also Spirit of the West and Holly Cole Trio in addition to the ones Uli highlighted. - Neil K. -- 49N 16' 123W 7' / Vancouver, BC, Canada / neil_k_guy@sfu.ca ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)