15-Dec-91 22:27:53-GMT,21920;000000000001 Received: from athos.rutgers.edu by aramis.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA13109; Sun, 15 Dec 91 17:10:54 EST Received: by athos.rutgers.edu (5.59/SMI4.0/RU1.4/3.08) id AA23295; Sun, 15 Dec 91 17:10:53 EST Date: Sun, 15 Dec 91 17:10:53 EST Message-Id: <9112152210.AA23295@athos.rutgers.edu> Errors-To: owner-ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu From: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #84 ecto, Number 84 Sunday, 15 December 1991 Today's Topics: *-----------------* more tribe :) Here's Proof, or: Division of labor among Drinkies Jane/Women In Music/Five Guys Named Moe Kate Interview album cover art poll results (from rmm) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Dec 91 15:42:46 EST From: jessica@cs.rutgers.edu Subject: more tribe :) what i *meant* was: the thing i don't like about Abort(song) on Abort(album) is that it doesn't *begin* to compare with Abort(song) on Here at the Home(album). I *LOVE* the song. it's gotta be one of my favorite songs of all time. *but* since i love it so much and i tihnk the Abort(album) version is not half as good... it's not one of my favorites on Abort(album) :) (not to mention, now that i've heard it live, that it just doesn't compare to it live, either). but aaaaanyway, (or as greg would say i say it: aaaaaaeeeeeenyway) the point is, Abort, the album, is really good, even if it isn't as good as Here at the Home. jessica ======================================================================== Date: 13 December 1991 15:08:41 CST From: Subject: Here's Proof, or: Division of labor among Drinkies In his post today, Barry wrote: > Ecto cooler, the official drink of ectophiles! :) My first impression was: What is to become of the *.fuzzy.blue.* hier- archy of potables which I labored, not so long nor hard, to think up in my imagination? (Everything I know about Ecto cooler, I learned from these pages; but from what I have read, the stuff is neither fuzzy nor blue. Blue is indeed an additive component of green, at least when dealing with dyes as opposed to light; but that may be stretching it a little, don't you agree? :-) ) It subsequently occurred to me that depending on the detailed composition of Ecto cooler in its natural state, we could save the phenomena (a phrase I picked up in 1968 from a course I took in high school which touched on the history and philosophy of science) by stratifying the drinks according to proof content. It is my understanding that Ecto cooler is put out by Hi-C, a fact which, if overinterpreted at face value, would seem to imply that it is nonalcoholic when it first comes out of the can (though some of Kiri's [I think it was] early comments on the stuff make me less than certain about that) . If my perceptions are accurate, we could anoint Ecto cooler as our official zero-proof potable, and the Fuzzy Blues (in their sundry permutations) as the official proof-positive ones. This should suffice to make everyone at least partly happy, irrespective on where they would have stood on speakeasies had they lived during the Jazz Age :-). --Mitch ___________________________________ "Whatever turns you on." --occasional catch phrase on _Laugh-In_ (1968-73) ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 13 Dec 91 17:24:36 -0500 From: hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu (Nimue - Gwragedd Annwn) Yesturday I was too sick to do my show (flu uggh!) so I sat down there in the studio and rambled through the cds, here's what I found: Group Album Sister Red Sister Red A boy girl team with female vocals. I really liked them. It's hard to describe them exactly, but I would say something like IM. They are a mix of alternative/folky. I really enjoyed their album, wish I had more time to listen to the whole thing though :( Mary's Danish Circa A little wild and a little weird. A bit harder than Sister Red. I didn't enjoy this as much as the above, but it's worth a listen. Single Gun Theory like stars in my hands on Nettwork Jacqui Hunt - vocals Kath Power - sampling keyboard stuff Pete Rivett-Carnac Now according to the woman the singer sounds like a mixture of Sinead and the Sundays. The music was sorta dance/alternative. I really liked this album...I wouldnt be surprised if this makes it on the college alternative charts. The Black Watch Flowering mediocre alternative...boys and I think some girls. This album didn' impress me very much at all. Antenna Sway Now this band isnt the greatest, but it's fun because there are some interesting people on the album. The band is from Indianapolis and consists of two members of the Blake Babies: namely Freda Love - Drums (that's so cool....i really think female drummers are neat) and Strom - guitars. But wait there's more....Jacob Smith and Vess Rhutenbera make up the rest of the band. The REALLY interesting part is that yep ya got it LISA GERMANO plays low fiddle (?? viola ???) and violin on a couple tracks....the tracks definitely have distinctive Lisa viol stuff - it's Cool! The tracks that she plays in are quite good too! In the cd sleeve they had an order form with two Blackgirls albums - I unfortunately didnt get the address...can someone tell me what the earlier Blackgirls album was like, I really liked the latest one that I believe came out either last year, or the beginning of this year. Well that's about it. FYI: Ecto Cooler is a lovely shade of dark green.... FYI: Ecto Cooler is a lovely shade of green! :) see ya's all! KirI \____________________/_______________________________________\ | kIrI | hargieka@craft.camp.clarkson.edu | | "who is by my | Im a thinking breathing human being | | immortal side" | What the hell are you? | /-------------------\----------------------------------------/ ======================================================================== From: vickie@chinet.chi.il.us (Vickie Ann Mapes) Subject: Jane/Women In Music/Five Guys Named Moe Date: Sat, 14 Dec 91 3:29:16 CST Vickie here. This was forwarded to me tonight. I have a couple of questions after the post. > To: humans@death.Corp.Sun.COM > Subject: Re: Kick at the Darkness > Date: Thu, 12 Dec 91 13:40:10 EST > From: scocan.sco.COM!olafb@wrs.wrs.com > Sender: scocan.sco.COM!olafb@wrs.wrs.com > > Hello, > > For those interested in the album of Cockburn covers here's some info. > It is on an independant label, probably local, maybe national. Either > way, I've never heard of them. Drum roll please: > > Kick at the Darkness > Intrepid Records (N41V 0008) > > address info: > > Intrepid Music Group > 205-65 Jefferson Avenue, > Toronto, Ontario, > Canada, M6K 1Y3 > > listing of tracks: > > Lovers In A Dangerous Time - Bare Naked Ladies > A Long Time Love Song - Martin Tielli and Jane Siberry > Lord Of The Starfields - Swing Gang > Feet Fall On The Road - Five Guys Named Moe > Silver Wheels - All Her Brothers Are Drummers > All The Diamonds In The World - Rebecca Jenkins > Wondering Where the Lions Are - B-Funn > Stolen Land - Chris Bottomley > Waiting For The Moon - Fat Man Waving > If I Had A Rocket Launcher - Cottage Industry > Call It Democracy - Jellyfishbabies > One Day I Walk - Skydiggers > > As I said in a previous post, I believe that most of these are > local Toronto Bands or performers. I assume that only Jane Siberry > is well known outside of Canada. In all honesty I've only heard > of about half the people (bands) on the tape but it doesn't mean > that much because I'm not that tuned into the Toronto music scene. > After one listen, I'm personally not overly impressed but it could > be that it will grow on me. Many things do. If anyone wants more > information, please feel free to ask. > > Cheers, > > Olaf ---------------------------------------- First, has anyone here heard this? What is the Jane cover like? Who is Martin Tielli? It's nice to see Jane and Rebecca Jenkins (Jane's former backup singer) together (uh, well, sort of) again. This was in soc.feminism (not a group I read, but was told about): In article , twent@wam.umd.edu (Anthony J. Went ) writes... >THOUGHTS AND OPINIONS WANTED: > > I am doing a project/paper for my class on Women/Art/Culture on >the portrayal and representation of women in rock and other "popular" >music. This includes music both about and by women. I am posting >this article to several different newsgroups to try to collect >various feelings and opinions. If anyone out there has a song or >artist -- from Guns 'N' Roses to Sinead O'Connor -- that comes to >mind when you think about women in popular music, I would love to >hear about it. Post any thought to the newsgroup -- I'll be reading >carefully for the next few weeks -- or send email. Interesting. I missed this original post and I don't know who many responses. Re: Five Guys Named Moe. A long time ago there was a bit of talk on the net about this group. I don't remember anything that was said, except that there are gals in the group (none named Moe :-) and that they were interesting. Woj or John or anyone else, can you tell me anything more? I ask because they are playing in Chicago New Years Eve. They played here last week, but I didn't find out until the other day. I wonder if they live in the Chicago area now. If I go see them, I'll ask. But it would take a very strong recommendation for me to get out of the house on New Years's Eve, so I need to know if they are worth the horror. Vickie "Extra! Extra! Read all about it! Vickie Mapes confirmed as an exceedingly dull pointless rambler in rec.music.gaffa! Says Vickie, 'I'm not dull!'" :-) ps, I saw the Tribe video and I liked the band a lot! ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 14 Dec 91 21:21:23 GMT From: I Muse Aloud Subject: Kate Interview Hi folks. As Court the Cat recently posted, there was an interview with Kate this afternoon. Unfortunately, it was was BBC *Radio* 1, not TV (damn!), but I managed to record it. Now, I've posted a transcription to Love-Hounds, but there are some people here who aren't Hounds, but may still be interested. So, for their benefit, I'm posting it here, too. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is a transcript of an interview with Kate by BBC Radio 1. It was aired on Saturday 14th December, at about 3:50pm. This transcription was done by Stephen Thomas. The interview itself is mostly pre-recorded, as shall become obvious. I don't know who the interviewer was, as I never listen to Radio 1 unless it's a very special occasion :). K = Kate, I = Interviewer. --- ["Don't Give Up" is played] I: Such a good track, Peter Gabriel, "Don't Give Up". It was Jonathan King who said in one of his columns that that sort of middle verse that Peter Gabriel sings in that song he reckoned was one of the finest male vocal performances of the year, and it certainly was, and there was some pretty good singing, too, from Kate Bush on that, who's been keeping something of a low profile, but how nice it is to see Kate Bush back in the charts. She's number 12 this week with her version of "Rocket Man", and we caught up with her a couple of days [ago] when she was rehearsing to perform that song on next Monday's Terry Wogan show. And my first question to her was how long it had been since she'd last done a TV appearance? K: Oh, it must be just over two years. I: Now, we get the feeling that you've, sort of, been hiding away from things. K: I don't know about hiding away, but I really only like to present myself when I'm working on something - it's more my work I like to present to the world rather than myself. I mean, I feel that it's really what people are interested in, is my music. So it really depends on whether I have any music out at the time as to whether I do any television or promotion. I: Now you have a record out that's in the charts at the moment - we'll come to that in a sec. But everytime I sort of read magazines like "Q", or something, and they say who's in the studios, it's Kate Bush, still working on her new album [Kate laughs softly]. I mean, is it taking longer than you'd like, or that you though, or what? K: Albums always take longer than I think, and actually this is one of the quickest ones for years. It's not finished, but I've been working on it about a year, and I hope to have it finished next year. But on average, I'd say I'm spending two to three years on every album, and it's incredibly frustrating. I don't know why it takes so long - I wish it didn't, but the tracks seem to evolve, and although it all starts very straight-forwardly and simply, and halfway through the album I never know if I'm going to be able to finish it, and it's all got too large on me [I think - there was a burst of interference at this point] or it starts to evolve and ends up as whatever it is. I: So when do you think it'll actually be released? K: Well, next year, I would like it next year. I can't say when, because it sort of depends what else we want to do next year, as to whether it be, er ... it wouldn't be the early part of next year, but maybe middle to latter part. I: Now, you're on this wonderful tribute album to Elton John and Bernie Taupin, and did you have a list of which songs were available to choose from. How's the choice work? K: I was really knocked out to be asked to get involved in this project, because I was such a big fan of Elton's when I was little - I really loved his stuff, he was my biggest hero, really, and when I was just starting to write songs he was the only songwriter that I knew of that played the piano and sung, and wrote songs, so he was very much my idol. And one of my favourite songs of his was "Rocket Man". Now, if I'd have known then that I would have been asked to be involved in this project, I think I would have just died! And in some ways, I owe it to myself, as that little girl to give her the priviledge of doing this as well as myself now. And they basically said, would we like to be involved and I could choose which track I wanted, and because "Rocket Man" was my favourite I hoped it hadn't gone, actually - I hoped no-one else was going to do it. I: And what about the arrangement of it, which is very different to the original. K: Well, yes I suppose so. I actually haven't heard the original for a very long time, a long long time! [laughs] And it was just I wanted to do it differently; I do think if you cover records, you should try and make them different - it's like remaking movies, you've got to try and give it something that makes it worth re-releasing. And the reggae treatment just seemed to happen, really. I just tried to put the chords together on the piano, and it just seemed to want to take off in the choruses, so we gave it the reggae treatment. I: And now, all of a sudden, it's a hit single. K: Well, yes, and it's even more extraordinary, because we actually recorded the track over two years ago, probably just after my last telly appearance! And we were quite astounded when they wanted to release it as a single just recently. What's very nice is that the guitarist that played on the track, Alan Murphy, who was our guitarist at the time, died not long after the track was made. So this was one of the last things that he did with us, and it's particularly nice for me to feel that it's not only keeping him alive, but I know that he would be really thrilled to know it was doing so well, and it's nice for all of us that loved Al to know that he can be a part of this now. ["Rocket Man" is played] I: Now, there's been an awful lot of change has gone on in the world - I'm not talking about the world of music - over the last couple of years, since your last album. Is this changed you [sic] as well? Will this mean the next Kate Bush album will be very different from the last one, do you think? K: I think you're absolutely right. I think there's been so much change in the world in this two year period. Everyone I know has been changed by it, it's impossible not to. If you don't change with it, I don't think you could survive it. Everyone's changed, I've definitely changed. I've been very affected by these last two years; they've been incredibly intense years for me. Maybe not on a work level, but a lot has happened to me. I feel I've learnt a lot. And I think yes, I think this album is going to be quite different. Yeah, I do. I: Can you give us any other clues, as to ...? K: It's impossible, I think, to talk about music, especially before it's completed or people have heard it, because it's a very personal interpretation. For me, it's like a painting. You would never talk about a painting before you've seen it. It's only when you see the painting, you then talk about it. So, I really hope that people like it, I hope the people that are waiting for it feel it's worth the wait and I really hope people out there like it. I: Well, it's going to be lovely to actually see you on the Wogan show on Monday, so lot's of luck with that. K: Well, thank you very much. It's really nice to be here and to be back, and I would just like to say thank you to everyone who's received this single so warmly. It means a lot to me, you know, I didn't think I'd have a single out for at least a year because we're still working on the album, so it's a very nice surprise, and I've had such nice feedback about all levels to do with this, so thank you very much, everyone, and have a great Christmas! ["Running Up That Hill" is played] [The interview proper stops after that, but makes some comments about meeting Kate that are interesting ...] I: Kate Bush, and "Running Up That Hill". And Phil Ross, the producer of this programme, and I were just in this tiny little dressing room at TV Centre when Kate was rehearsing for Monday's Wogan show, and we were slurping cups of tea together. We were only there for about ten minutes, and Thursday was just this manic day of running around and doing all sorts of different stuff, but walked out of the dressing room after spending ten minutes in the company of Kate Bush just feeling so good! She's one of those people, you know, that you meet and she makes you feel great. Certainly one of the special people, and I look forward to next year, whenever the album comes out - she wouldn't be any more specific than it'll be next year. And I'm sure she'll be our guest on the programme to introduce tracks from the album when it does come out. And don't miss the Wogan show on Monday, see Kate Bush singing "Rocket Man", and you will see on set, I believe, an empty chair with just a guitar placed on it, and that's the chair that Alan Murphy would have sat in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Keep well, Stephen -- | "You've been having a nightmare. | Stephen Thomas -------------------------| | And it's not over yet." | Email: spt1@ukc.ac.uk; Smail: Computing | | -- Roger Waters, "The Pros and | Lab, University of Kent, CT2 7NZ, UK; | | Cons of Hitchhiking" | Tel: +44 (0)227 764000 x 3824 | ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 15 Dec 91 15:23:17 CST From: vishal@ra.csc.ti.com (Vishal Markandey) Subject: album cover art poll results (from rmm) 1991 USENET/Internet/BITNET Worldwide Album Cover Art Poll Conducted by SHILL@HARPERVM.BITNET -------------------------------------------------------- Rank Pts Artist Title -------------------------------------------------------- 1 116 Beatles Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band 2 55 Pink Floyd Wish You Were Here 3 53 Jane's Addiction Ritual de lo Habitual 4 52 Cure Disintegration 52 Rush Moving Pictures 6 51 Rush Grace Under Pressure 7 48 Cocteau Twins Treasure 8 45 Beatles Abbey Road 9 43 Pixies Doolittle 10 42 Cocteau Twins Victorialand 38 21 Happy Rhodes Ecto 293 08 Happy Rhodes Rearmament ------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== To join ecto, please send electronic mail to the following address: ecto-request@athos.rutgers.edu To have your thoughts included in the next issue, send mail to: ecto@athos.rutgers.edu To subscribe to "Ecto", the printed fanzine, send $8 to: Ecto PO Box 11291 New Brunswick, NJ 08906 Ecto is issued 8 times/year, and will include photos and as much material from non-net members as we can get! Donations above the subscription cost are welcomed - all money goes to bringing you better issues! 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