Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #726 ecto, Number 726 Monday, 30 August 1993 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Re: Tra la la Re: Warning, Stephen King talk VaporBounce Re: Laura San Giacomo the Edge of WKRP Re: ooivletce!! Re: Tachyon mail Re: stuff Re: Sinead The Piano Re: Lisa Germano on ABC's In Concert ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 21:59 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Re: Tra la la Vickie vicks: > Last night's Chicago show, slightly different from the KC version: > > Happy Rhodes-"Come Here"-RHODES II Goddess, I *love* this song. This is one of my all time favorites. Oddly, Happy is resposiable for several of my favorite songs, including "Ode", to which I recently mastered a (hopefully) stunning bass part. Perhaps I will attempt a bass line for "Come Here" next, although it actually has one already... Happy has written so much wonderful music that I am close to tears. I just want to thank all of you for being here to support her. Ecto is wonderful. Bob the overwhelmed ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 27 Aug 93 22:02 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: Re: Warning, Stephen King talk > > _The Stand_ is my favorite Stephen King book, and I've been waiting for > this movie for a long, long time. It *better* be good! > > Vickie > I was just wondering if they'll ever make the Dark Tower/Gunslinger novels into a film... Bob the horrified ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 18:35 EDT From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy) Subject: VaporBounce Hello, All of a sudden my bouncemail has disappeared! Fortunately, I am getting the digest over on Genie, but I have not had any mail from Ecto here on Deepspace since Friday, and I see from the digests that I missed quite a bit, including the Bjork Transponder Explanation. I am also still receiving bounces from my first Thunderstorm post! Is this a great net or what!!? Anyhow, now that I'm sending this there will doubtless be all those messages queued up and ready... Thanks for your support. Bob the unconnected ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1993 21:08:57 -0400 (EDT) From: ROBNPAM@delphi.com Subject: Re: Laura San Giacomo She also played Julia Roberts' best friend in "Pretty Woman" and had one of the few memorable characters and lines...remember "Cinder-fuckin'-rella"? :) Pamela Albany, NY (Goodie, no line noise this time!) ======================================================================== Subject: the Edge of WKRP Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 22:39:55 -0700 From: johnz@eaglet.rain.com Just saw an ad for the "new" WKRP on VH-1 (apparently they're going to start carrying it -- whatever happened to music videos?). Anyway, it was a takeoff of the U2 video where various band members and others do unpleasant and uncomfortable things to the Edge while he stares into the camera and drones the lyrics, but here it was the cast members doing this to Les Nessman while he droned into the camera. I laughed my ass off. If only their actual episodes were anywhere near this inspired! John Zimmer, who has way too much free time johnz@eaglet.rain.com ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 29 Aug 93 15:04 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Tra la la Vickie wretches (on Ecto): > Last night's Chicago show, slightly different from the KC version: > > Kate Bush-"Home For Christmas" It's astonishing that this song is really almost unknown on love-hounds and so on. It was just noted 'Kate did another Comic Strip special song' and that was it. It was almost the case that noone said anything at all about it, and this is really astonishing. It's such a nice song. I wonder if we will receive it as a B-side somehow... Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 17:21 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: ooivletce!! > french kisses in the eyeballs if we were being good i believe that liege > und liefe means love and lies but i'm not really sure since my german > dictionary is in the same box as my american one but i bet meredith could well - it's not liege but Luege (or L"uge with "u being u-umlaut) and it's not liefe but Liebe, but at least it sounds similar. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 29 Aug 93 12:34 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Tachyon mail > I would like to point out that there is a Tachyon mail service already: the > Internet, at least via the gateway Delphi uses. I get most mail backwards, > so that #1 in my box is the most recent one to be sent to me and #37 is > the first to reach me after the last time I logged off. Henceforth, I > get the replies to posts before the actual posts being replied to. Hmmm... I had such a service too when I used my account at the university. It's not the mail service but the mail reader. ELM for example does this at least by default. Maybe you can switch your mail reader to sort it in the other direction. Maybe you can also make your mail reader to sort it after subjects or authors to keep threads etc. together. Bye, Uli ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 28 Aug 93 17:40 MET DST From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: stuff > klaus and claudia used to pronounce it "voy" (which is, of course, proper > german for "woj"). i think i'm going to have to one of those baseball caps > and write "voy toy" on the bottom of the flap. :) Me too, and I just think I can't stop to do so... > a liege is like a lord. if i'm your vassal, then you're my liege. lief is > old english for the verb to like (well, maybe middle english, i forget). nope. From my online Digital Webster: --------------8<--------------- 1like \'li_k\ vb liked; lik*ing [ME liken, fr. OE li_cian; akin to OE geli_c alike] vt (bef. 12c) 1 chiefly dial: to be suitable or agreeable to 2a: to feel attraction toward or take pleasure in: ENJOY Alikes baseballa b: to feel toward: REGARD Ahow would you like a changea 3: to wish to have: WANT Awould like a drinka ~ vi 1 dial: APPROVE 2: to feel inclined Aleave any time you likea 3: to find oneself attracted 2like n (1851) 1: a feeling of attraction: PREFERENCE 2: something that one likes 3like adj [ME, alter. of ilich, fr. OE geli_c like, alike, fr. ge- (associative prefix) + li_c body; akin to OHG gili_h like, alike, Lith lygus like - more at CO-] (bef. 12c) 1: the same or nearly the same (as in appearance, character, or quantity) Asuits of like designa 2: LIKELY Athe importance of statistics as the one discipline like to give accuracy of mind -H. J. Laskia 4like prep (13c) 1a: having the characteristics of: similar to Ahis house is like a barna b: typical of Awas like him to do thata 2: in the manner of: similarly to Aacts like a foola 3: inclined to Alooks like raina 4: such as Aa subject like physicsa 5 - used to form intensive or ironic phrases Afought like hella Alike fun he dida 5like n (13c) 1: one that is like another: COUNTERPART, EQUAL Ahave...never seen the like before -Sir Winston Churchilla Ahad no use for the likes of hima 2: KIND 4a Aput him and his like to some job -J.R.R. Tolkiena 6like adv (14c) 1 archaic: EQUALLY 2: LIKELY, PROBABLY Ayou'll try it, some day, like enough -Mark Twaina 3: to some extent: RATHER Asaunter over nonchalantly like -Walter Kariga 4: NEARLY Athe actual interest is more like 18 percenta - as like as not or like as not: PROBABLY 7like conj (14c) 1a: AS IF Amiddle-aged men who looked like they might be out for their one night of the year -Norman Mailera b - used in intensive phrases Adrove like mada 2: in the same way that: AS Athey raven down scenery like children do sweetmeats -John Keatsa usage The use of like as a conjunction may have had its origin in a compound conjunction like as, which is attested as early as the 14th century and continued into the 19th. But like without as is also attested as early as the 14th century, and like went on being used alone without comment until sometime in the mid-19th century. It has been stigmatized since then, but at first not on the grounds that it could not be used as a conjunction: 19th century grammarians were wrangling over whether like should be called a preposition or not. There is no doubt that after more than 500 years of use, like is firmly established as a conjunction. It has been used by many prestigious literary figures of the past, though perhaps not in their most elevated works; in modern use it may be found in literature, journalism, and scholarly writing. While the present objection to it is perhaps more heated than rational, someone writing formal prose may want to use as or as if instead. 8like or liked \'li_kt\ verbal auxiliary, chiefly dial (15c) :came near: was near Aso loud I like to fell out of bed -Helen Eustisa 9like \(,)li_k\ interj -like \,li_k\ adj comb form :resembling or characteristic of Abell-likea Aladylikea --------------8<--------------- And if we are in Digital Webster: --------------8<--------------- 1liege \'le_j\ adj [ME, fr. OF, fr. LL laeticus, fr. laetus serf, of Gmc origin; akin to OFris let serf] (13c) 1a: having the right to feudal allegiance or service Ahis liege lorda b: obligated to render feudal allegiance and service 2: FAITHFUL, LOYAL 2liege n (14c) 1a: a vassal bound to feudal service and allegiance b: a loyal subject 2: a feudal superior to whom allegiance and service are due _ Geographical Names: Li*e_ge \le_-'ezh, -'a_zh\ or Flem Luik \'li_k\ 1 province E Belgium area 1525 sq mi (3965 sq km), pop 999,413 2 city, its * pop 214,119 --------------8<--------------- and --------------8<--------------- 1lief \'le_f, 'le_v\ adj [ME lief, lef, fr. OE le_of; akin to OE lufu love] (bef. 12c) 1 archaic: DEAR, BELOVED 2 archaic: WILLING, GLAD 2lief \'le_v, 'le_f\ adv (13c) :SOON, GLADLY AI'd as lief go as nota --------------8<--------------- and --------------8<--------------- 1love \'lev\ n [ME, fr. OE lufu; akin to OHG luba love, OE le_of dear, L lube_re, libe_re to please] (bef. 12c) 1a (1): strong affection for another arising out of kinship or personal ties Amaternal love for a childa (2): attraction based on sexual desire: affection and tenderness felt by lovers (3): affection based on admiration, benevolence, or common interests Alove for his old schoolmatesa b: an assurance of love Agive her my lovea 2: warm attachment, enthusiasm, or devotion Alove of the seaa 3a: the object of attachment, devotion, or admiration Abaseball was his first lovea b: a beloved person: DARLING - often used as a term of endearment 4a: unselfish loyal and benevolent concern for the good of another: (1): the fatherly concern of God for man (2): brotherly concern for others b: a person's adoration of God 5: a god or personification of love 6: an amorous episode: LOVE AFFAIR 7: the sexual embrace: COPULATION 8: a score of zero (as in tennis) 9 cap, Christian Science: GOD - at love: holding one's opponent scoreless in tennis Awon three games at lovea - in love: inspired by affection 2love vb loved; lov*ing vt (bef. 12c) 1: to hold dear: CHERISH 2a: to feel a lover's passion, devotion, or tenderness for b (1): CARESS (2): to fondle amorously (3): to copulate with 3: to like or desire actively: take pleasure in Aloved to play the violina 4: to thrive in Athe rose loves sunlighta ~ vi: to feel affection or experience desire --------------8<--------------- so that's for online dictionaries... Uli ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 29 Aug 93 00:55:12 -0500 From: "Dennis G Parslow" Subject: Re: Sinead >DATE: Fri, 27 Aug 1993 12:25:56 -0700 (PDT) >FROM: Neile Graham > >At the risk of starting an argument with Joe Zitt, who said "In a better >universe, her [Sinead's] second album would have been _Suspiria_.", I'm >going to disagree and say in a better universe her second album would have >been _Dry_ or _Rid Of Me_. > *I* personally love _I do not want what I have not got_. However, Sinead is not the right person to do _Dry_. I don't think that anyone else this side of Siouxsie and the Banshees could handle it. _Rid of Me_ is even more out of control. The beauty of Sinead's voice lies in the sweet anguish, not the driving desperation of PJ Harvey. (Further, I think PJ could never include the politics mandatory for any Sinead song, but I assume that is beside the point). >While I like a lot of _Suspiria_ there are parts of it that ring too >familiarly of the gothic sounds of mid 70s Renaissance, and the kind of >passion isn't anguished in the same way Sinead is. PJ Harvey is closer, >though I guess I would say she's past of the anguish of love that Sinead >expresses in _The Lion and the Cobra_ into the anger of sex. > Despair. No, really. >PJ is more gut-wrenching, Miranda Sex Garden are a little more mind-wrenching. > >--Neile >neile@u.washington.edu > Dennis Parslow "I'm glad I not here over satellite, because Troy, NY 12180 that seems to really weird you out!" p00421@psilink.com Kate Bush (referring to Gary Numan) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1993 07:38:26 +0000 (U) From: TalbotJ Subject: The Piano STOP WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! Go to a theater and see THE PIANO... Then buy the soundtrack... Thanks, Johnny ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 30 Aug 93 1:46:07 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Lisa Germano on ABC's In Concert > Hello Ectophiles! Hi Alex, welcome to Ecto! > I have been on and off of rec.music.gaffa for a long time and > was recently inspired by, of course, Vickie (thanks!), to get back on > Ecto. My pleasure! > Lisa Germano hosting ABC's In Concert on August 6th > --------------------------------------------------- Thank you *so* much for this Alex, and if anyone sees that this show is due to be re-run, please post about it. Yngve, I'm glad you found _Happiness_! Vickie ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1993 22:36:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Sinead To summarize, Joe Zitt said Sinead's 2nd album, in a better universe, would have been _Suspiria_. I said, no, it would have been _Dry_. Dennis says, no: > *I* personally love _I do not want what I have not got_. However, Sinead > is not the right person to do _Dry_. I don't think that anyone else this > side of Siouxsie and the Banshees could handle it. _Rid of Me_ is even > more out of control. The beauty of Sinead's voice lies in the sweet > anguish, not the driving desperation of PJ Harvey. (Further, I think PJ > could never include the politics mandatory for any Sinead song, but I > assume that is beside the point). I had said: > >PJ is more gut-wrenching, Miranda Sex Garden are a little more > >mind-wrenching. And I guess Sinead is heart-wrenching. Yeah, I don't think _Dry_ is really Sinead's territory, but I think _I do not want what I have not got_ is uneven, especially as _The Lion and the Cobra_ is so consistently powerful. _Dry_ is one of the few discs that has that same _kind_ of power, which is what made me suggest it as an alternate to _Suspiria_, which actually I find terribly uneven as though trying too hard to make an impression. There are wonderful parts to it, but some really weak parts, too, unlike PJ Harvey, unlike Sinead at her best. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)