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                            ecto, Number 702

                        Saturday, 14 August 1993

                             Today's Topics:
                           *-----------------*
                         hungering for falafels
                  Christine's picture(uuencode format)
          [Mike Matthews <matthewm@sgate.com>: Re: IRC vs. ICB]
                         The Ecto Support System
                              Re: monsters
                           Aimee Mann, 8/13/93
                   That Female Artists poll (my picks)
                          Travelling ectophile
                                  GIFs

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 14:53:13 PDT
From: Neal R. Copperman <neal@ccrwest.org>
Subject: hungering for falafels

hey Jessica, love that signature.  It makes a great unified quote -
"falafel, falafel, falafel, BaBaGanough - It is this that brings us
together", but that's probably what you intended anyway.  Is the
infamous falafel song available to the ecto public somewhere?

neal


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 14:57:36 PDT
From: tsai@ikos.com (Finney T. Tsai)
Subject: Christine's picture(uuencode format)

O well, it's Friday afternoon again.
Just thought some would have problems decoding
Christine's BinHex formatted picture. I converted
it to uuencode format and included it in the mail.
As the standard procedure, you can cut the mailhead,
pipe the text body to uudecode, and get the GIF file.
It's not a big file, about 18KB only.

Christine looks intelligent and sweet. Nice smile! :)

-finney

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 18:23:06 EDT
From: jessica <jessica@maurolycus.rutgers.edu>
Subject: [Mike Matthews <matthewm@sgate.com>: Re: IRC vs. ICB]

This was meant to go to the list.

		--jessica
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>Also, someone on the list mentioned that have difficulty accessing the
>machine they can use IRC on - a lot of sysadmins don't like their
>users to run IRC servers. Few sysadmins have problems with an icb
>client - it doesn't *do* much, doesn't take up CPU or memory..

Ooooh boy I gotta comment on this one.

When my NeXT was on the Internet (lewhoosh.umd.edu), it was the IRC server
for the Univ. of MD College Park Campus, and, well, a large chunk of the East
Coast (we even got a few Australian connections, which puzzled everyone
involved).

I had to get special permission to run IRC like that, because it was UMCP's
network that was being used (it wasn't a problem; UMCP's a backbone site and
the network load of IRC is negligible).

As for the load on my system, that was negligible too once I got 20M of
memory.

The real problem with IRC is the ... how to put it...

Well, let's just say that my then-girlfriend was complaining of being bored,
so I showed her IRC.  Then she got romantically involved with someone from
Israel <which was the catalyst for our breakup>, then Chicago, then a few
other places too.

It's not something magical about IRC, it's just that IRC made it so easy to
have relatively anonymous communication that some folks would spent 12+ hours
a day on it.

*MY* only real problem with IRC is some gooberheads kept trying to break in
to my NeXT, or would access the IRC daemon from annex boxes, which I, being a
auditing stickler, did not like.

[due to other complications, I shut down the IRC server on lewhoosh]

>			jessica

What does this have to do with anything?  Nothing, probably.  Just had to
respond... and, FWIW, you won't catch me on an IRC client EVER AGAIN. :-)

Mike


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 18:53:23 EDT
From: WretchAwry <vickie@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: Re: Christine's picture(uuencode format)

> O well, it's Friday afternoon again.
> Just thought some would have problems decoding
> Christine's BinHex formatted picture. I converted
> it to uuencode format and included it in the mail.
> As the standard procedure, you can cut the mailhead,
> pipe the text body to uudecode, and get the GIF file.
> It's not a big file, about 18KB only.

Hi Finney, thanks for doing this!

> Christine looks intelligent and sweet. Nice smile! :)

Yes! Yes! and Yes! (We've met, so I know)

Vickie


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 20:25:19 EDT
From: WretchAwry <vickie@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: The Ecto Support System

I stole that title from Meth :-)

As Siouxsie plays on the stereo (_Tinderbox_, my favorite along with
_JuJu_) and MyChris takes a nap and Adrian reads "Jurassic Park" and
Harvo (cat1) sleeps beside me on his back with his legs in the air
and The Other One (emergency backup cat2) sleeps in the bathtub, I
sit here thinking about Ecto and how wonderful y'all (we'all) are.

MyChris and Christo headed out for the airport at 8:30 this morning. I
was too far gone (new pills, groggy) to go to the airport with them,
but I was able to wake up long enough to say good bye to Christo and
give him a big hug. It's been a great week and I couldn't have asked
for a nicer house guest. His brain must surely be boggled by all the
audio and video I've heaped upon him, but I don't think he minded *too*
much :-). He must be so tired, because last night, after he got back
from his Eau Clair visit, I kept throwing things at him (figuratively,
of course) such as the Jane Siberry documentary and the Victoria
Williams documentary, and frantically dubbing things for him to take
with him. He only got a few hours sleep before having to leave.

I'll let Christo (or Meredith) tell you about the mixup at the Newark
airport, when the Ecto Support System kicked into high gear. It was a
wonderful thing to behold (and be part of). After a bit of a panic,
Christo is now with Christine Waite and are going to see Suddenly Tammy
tonight. In the next week he'll also be spending time with woj & Greg,
and Bob Lovejoy (and maybe brni!) before heading off to Holland for a
year, during which time he'll get to meet lots of European Ectophiles
(and maybe some of our English and Scottish Ectofriends too), and I
think this is all so exciting! Christopher Boek (pronounced "book") is
living proof that the Ecto Hostel, Support & Friends Network is working!

Christo has been taking photos all along the way, and hopefully some of
them can get scanned in as gifs. He had some of them developed in Eau
Clair, and he gave me a few. I now have photos of Neal Copperman (hi!),
Ken Hoyme (hi!) and Jeanne Schreiter (hi!) plus a couple from the Fest
last Saturday. One of them is of Christo, me, Mike Mendelson, his friend
Holly, my friend Charley, and Harvo the cat. The other is of Christo, me,
Chip Lueck, Shelby Berkowitz, and Dave Datta. That one is such a hoot! We
were all trying to make balloon animals and most ended up with surreal
whatchimacallits instead and some of them are in that photo. Christo's
hat took the prize as the creation with the most "whatizit?" quotient.
I don't have any way to scan in these photos at the moment, but I do
hope they can get in the Ecto archives soon.

Speaking of, I downloaded the kite gifs and couldn't get them to uudecode.
I'll see if Chris can get them to work when he awakes from his nap. I
can't wait to see them!

Later...

Vickie


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 21:04:02 EDT
From: WretchAwry <vickie@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: Re: monsters

> Well, hello.

Hi Aaron, welcome to Ecto!

> Here are my thoughts on the monsters...
> It seems to me that the covers represent the inner turmoil that is expressed
> on the albums. She has half of herself that she veiws as very beautiful and
> presious (and is the hight pitched voice on the album) and the other side of
> herself is scary. It is hatred and pain and anger. This is the lower pitched
> voice on the albums.

Very well put! My only disagreement is that I see the "Beauty" side as
not being Happy herself, but Happy the way "society" says she should
be. To me, "Beauty" comes from the song "Play the Game" ("I've been
influenced by society to paint my face and hate my body") and the "Beast"
comes from the song "Cohabitants" ("I am here to drive you to the border
of insanity and take notes"). Both are a part of Happy, yet neither are
*truly* Happy. The lyrics to "I Say" tell us that we can never really
know Happy. She's a complex person. Her lyrics reflect that, and so do
her album covers.

> The covers are easily understood once the album is listened to.

Agreed! And though I join in the frustration of the covers possibly being
misunderstood by the casual browser, and possibly affecting sales,
ultimately I agree with Aaron and Juha. We have to let Happy be herself,
do it her own way. She knows what she wants, she knows what she doesn't
want, and we have to cruise at *her* speed, no matter how frustrating
it might be. (And believe me, I've been waiting since 1988 for her to
get the recognition she deserves, so I *know* frustration. However, a
little over 2 years ago, just before _Warpaint_ was released, only a
handful of people on the net had heard of her and had bought her cassettes,
the first 4 albums weren't on CD and Happy had said that they never would
be released on CD, the only stores that carried her albums were in Albany,
NY and Kansas City, MO, the only regular airplay she was getting was on
my show, and perhaps RPI's station and KFJC once in a while, Ecto didn't
exist, and *that* was the most frustrating time for me. Considering all
the wonderful things that have happened in the last 2 years, I'm happy!)

Vickie


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1993 23:19:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: Suspended In Duct Tape <METH@delphi.com>
Subject: Re: The Ecto Support System

Hi!

Well, Vickie brought it up, so are y'all ready for this one?

Late this afternoon I got a call at work from Chris Boek, who was at the
Newark Airport, and had been for an hour and a half at that point, but had
seen no sign of Christine Waite, who was supposed to pick him up.  He had
lost her phone numbers,
and the only number he could find that was easy for him to call was my
800 number (toll free) at work.

He wondered if I had her numbers?  Not on me, but I figured I could rustle
them up somehow, so I told him to call me back in 15 minutes and got to
work.  Not only is Christine not listed in Information, but she's not in
the Ecto File, as I discovered when I called my roommate and gave her step-
by-step instructions on how to boot up my computer and call up the database.
I left a message for footah and woj, wondering if they happened to have her
number, and hoped they would get home soon.

Meanwhile, Christo got hold of Vickie and got Christine's number (I have
since determined that the home number Vickie has is her old one- but at
this point that doesn't really matter...), and called her, but she was
neither at home nor at work.  He called me back at the same time as woj
called in answer to my message- good thing my office phone has two lines!

I kept poor woj on hold as I got Christo's latest story about not being able
to reach Christine, and I came up with a contingency plan whereby if he didn't
meet up with her in an hour he would take an airport shuttle to New Haven
and we'd figure things out from there.  Then my other line started beeping, so
I put Christo on hold and went to see what woj wanted- he was wondering if I
knew where in the airport Chris was, since Christine had called him from the
airport to see if he had Chris' flight number and airline, which she didn't.
I told him to hold on, and asked Chris where he was- Delta baggage claim.  I
passed this on to woj, who said he had a pay phone number for Christine at
the airport to call her back at, but he didn't think he could get through,
since you can rarely call into  New Jersey pay phones, so I should tell
Chris to have Christine paged across terminals and tell her where he was
that way.

woj signed off to try to reach Christine, and I went back to line #2 and
explained all this to Christo.  He then said he would call Vickie back
(did I mention she had tried to call me in the midst of all this, but since
I only have a two-line phone nobody could get the message through to me?)
to let her know what was going on, then he would call me at home in an hour
to give me the scoop too.  The contingency plan of his coming to New Haven if
he still couldn't find Christine was still in effect.

Five minutes later, Vickie called to say that she had heard from Chris, and
he and Christine had met up and everything was fine.  I called woj and let him
know, and the five of us breathed a collective sigh of relief.

(If you thought this description was confusing, you should have been there!)

My co-workers were wondering what the hell was going on, since they were
fielding the calls for me and watching me bounce around my office from one
phone line to another like a Wall Street broker in a rally.  It was rather
amusing, in retrospect.

The moral of this story is: Never lose a phone number.  But if you do,
someone will be able to get it for you, even if you have to span two
time zones to do it. ;>

Meredith
meth@delphi.com


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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 93 23:33:48 EDT
From: WretchAwry <vickie@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: Re: The Ecto Support System

> Hi!
>
> Well, Vickie brought it up, so are y'all ready for this one?

(Wonderfully told story deleted...)

> Five minutes later, Vickie called to say that she had heard from Chris, and
> he and Christine had met up and everything was fine.  I called woj and let him
> know, and the five of us breathed a collective sigh of relief.

Six. Bob Lovejoy was in on this too, though he didn't know it until the
panic was all over with. I had called his home and work, and if Christine
and Christo hadn't hooked up when they did, Bob would have driven from
Philly to Newark to get Christo. I'd left a message with Bob's son, and
when I called him back to tell him that everything was ok, he had just
gotten home and hadn't gotten the message yet. I'm glad I caught him before
he did get it, and headed off to Newark.

Pats on the back, all around...for letting a bewildered Australian know
that he's got *lots* of friends!

Vickie


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Subject: Aimee Mann, 8/13/93
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 93 01:50:22 -0400
From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu

Beth and I headed up to Baltimore to catch Aimee Mann tonight.  What a great
show!

Set list, in no particular order ('cept for the encore set which _is_ in
order) was:

Will She Just Fall Down (WH)
Coming Up Close (WH)
(Believed You Were) Lucky (EDN)
The Other End (of the Telescope)  (EDN)
I Should Have Known (Whatever)
Fifty Years After the Fair (Whatever)
Could've Been Anyone (Whatever)
Put Me On Top (Whatever)
Stupid Thing (Whatever)
Say Anything (Whatever)
Way Back When (Whatever)
Cheese and Onions (cover of a Ruttles song)

Encores:

4th of July  (Whatever)
I've Had It  (Whatever)
'J' is for Jules (EDN)
Voices Carry  (VC)

(VC = Voices Carry, WH = Welcome Home, EDN = Everything's Different Now)

I can't for the life of me figure out what the first song was.  It was
something I'm real familiar with, but I just don't remember.  Grrr.  I
think I've remembered everything else, though.

The concert last about 80 minutes.  Aimee is a dynamo on stage, groovin'
with her bass, dancing all over the place, and generally being an
amazingly charismatic performer.  She was also *extremely* talkative.
Someone asked if she was from B'more.  She responded that no, she's not,
she's from Richmond and lives in Boston.  *But*, her brother, Frank Mann,
is a newscaster in Baltimore and he was in the audience.  This is apparently
the same Frank Mann who did the cartoons in the EDN liner notes.

Several times Aimee took requests and made a show of, "This is really rusty,
we haven't played it for a year" so if you're going to see her,
be ready to scream for something you really want to hear.

The 3-man band was great.  One drummer, a lead guitarist (mostly electric), a
bassist/keyboardist/12-string rhythm, and then Aimee switched between
6-string acoustic, 6-string electric, and a bass.

This is a Don't Miss Show.  Beth has instructed me to note that she
seconds this recommendation wholeheartedly.  Mike, ya should have been there.

Susan--how was the acoustic show this afternoon?

Jeff

|Jeffrey C. Burka     | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ |
|SAFH Lite [tm]       |  I am what I am and you are you too./  Do you like  |
|jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu |  what you see?  Do you like yourself?"  --N. Cherry |


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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 93 3:36:42 EDT
From: WretchAwry <vickie@pilot.njin.net>
Subject: That Female Artists poll (my picks)

I meant to do this, but forgot...here's what I posted:

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From: vickie@pilot.njin.net (Vickie Mapes)
Newsgroups: rec.music.misc
Subject: Re: TOP 10 FEMALE ARTISTS!

(I tried to e-mail this and it bounced)

*Artists* eh? Which I take to mean women who write most or all of their
own music, and probably play an instrument.

1.  Kate Bush
2.  Happy Rhodes
3.  Jane Siberry
4.  Tori Amos
5.  Kirsty MacColl
6.  Victoria Williams
7.  Sheila Chandra
8.  Mary Margaret O'Hara
9.  Sarah McLachlan
10. Karen Peris (The Innocence Mission)

(some of these HMs are borderline, in that I'm not quite sure how much
of their own music they write. Some a lot, some a little. Most, a lot.
These are in no particular order as to preference.)

HM: Lisa Gerrard (Dead Can Dance), Eddi Reader, Diamanda Galas, Christine
Lavin, Lisa Germano, Loreena McKennit, Iris DeMent, Toni Childs, Natalie
Merchant, k d lang, Barbara Gosza, Pamela Golden, Danielle Dax, Heidi
Berry, Katharina Franck (Rainbirds), Enya, Michelle Shocked, Ingrid
Karklins, Sinead O'Connor, Excene Cervenka (X), Johnette Napoliatano
(Concrete Blonde), Virginia Astley, Iva Bittova, Sam Phillips, Rickie
Lee Jones, Laurie Freelove, Annette Peacock, many, many more that I
can't think of right now but that I'll go "DAMN!" when I do.

(Liz from The Cocteau Twins too. I know she writes the lyrics.)

Vickie

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Yes, I've already been "DAMN!"ing over forgetting Laurie Anderson!


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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 93 7:28 EDT
From: robert@deepspace.nj00802.sai.com (Robert Lovejoy)
Subject: Travelling ectophile

     I had the pleasure yesterday of getting a call from our own net.goddess,
Vickie Mapes.  She passed along info on Chris Boek, who is now on Long
Island with Christine.
     By the way, I haven't gotten anyone's gif to run on my PC. Strange!
     Anyway, Greg and woj should be getting him next.  Thought you guys
could:
       A: Drive him down to Cherry Hill...
       B: Put him on a train to Philadelphia...
   or  C: I'll drive up to pick him up...
     on Wednesday evening.  Let me know your plans!
     Anthony Kosky, brni and I will meet him over the next two days, and I
will drive him to the airport on Saturday.  Anthony K., please contact me
next week to arrange a get-together!
     Hope everyone is well and enjoying themselves!  One week to go for
Rhodes Songs!!!
                     Bob the agent


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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 93 11:12:40 PDT
From: dixon@physics.berkeley.edu (David Dixon)
Subject: GIFs

Anyone know where I can FTP a GIF viewer?  None of the ones in the
archives seem to work for me.

Thanks,

D^2

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The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is
an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things
you'd like to have added.
		    -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)