Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1087 ecto, Number 1087 Monday, 18 April 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Oops! Re: Tori press conference in LA Re: Sarah, Tori, Ingrid, and a few things I'm forgetting New Music Thoughts Iris DeMent (was: New Music Thoughts) UK Ecto Party May 7th 1994 Re: Polly J (was Re: Sarah, Tori, Ingrid, and...) Re: Moon Seven Times catalog Re: UK Ecto Party May 7th 1994 Re: Thank You Re: BETTY Re: Joni Mitchell What to do in Detroit Re: BETTY Liz'n'Alison Re: Joni Mitchell new newsgroup! Sarah vids and HC update... ======================================================================== From: Tim Cook Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 09:19:48 BST Subject: Oops! I sent this and missed a . out of the address, so here it is again!! > We're going to England, we're going to England!!! Yay! Does this mean a *big* ecto party in Cambridge then? I've already got two other Happy fans coming (hope that's ok Geoff?). Who else is planning to attend? tim ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 23:41:00 +0200 From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Tori press conference in LA Ethan quotes Neal quoting Tori: > > oh please, one request, no exclamation points! Thank you. > ^ > Neal, how *could* you? :) ;-) The same request was given by Tori in the 3-way interview in the latest (May 94) Q magazine (they have a title story/interview with Polly (PJ) Harvey, Bjork and Tori - very nice! [oh, sorry...]). But of course there are also exclamation marks in that interview... Bye, Uli P.S.: Next birthday present for Tori: ______________________ | | | .8<.. | | ,' ### `. | | : ##### : | | : ### : | | : ### : | | : # : | | : # : | | `:' | | .'#`. | | : ### : | | : # : | | `'' | |______________________| this cardboard sheet, nicely wrapped, together with a pair of scissors... -- "Mann, was glaubst'n Du, was das fuer 'ne Rechenleistung is?" - "'n 66'er, _mindestens_" (2*anon, CeBIT '94, SGI booth, Onyx/PowerChallenge presentation) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 00:33:00 +0200 From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: Sarah, Tori, Ingrid, and a few things I'm forgetting Hallo Meth! > >Sade: I love the group. [...] > Um, which one of us is hallucinating that Sade is the name of one woman? > Am I missing something? Common mistake ;-) Sade: This is the group Sade Adu: This is the singer Bye, Uli -- "Mann, was glaubst'n Du, was das fuer 'ne Rechenleistung is?" - "'n 66'er, _mindestens_" (2*anon, CeBIT '94, SGI booth, Onyx/PowerChallenge presentation) ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 8:41:06 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: New Music Thoughts == Peter Gabriel "Blood Of Eden" CD single (mainly for the film mix) Well, it has the film mix...that's good enough for me :-). This CD single also has the album mix, and a nice 8 minute long remix of "Mercy Street" in which Anne Sexton meets the album _Passion_. == Texas "Ricks Road" (finally!) I've only listened to it once, but it's good. I'm not familiar enough with it to know if I like it better (or even as much as) "Southside" and "Mother's Heaven" (both of which I like very much indeed). == Loreena McKennitt "The Mask And The Mirror" I've heard it twice now, and I think I like it best of all. My favorite songs are still on other albums, but, as a whole, this works for me better than the others. == The Moon Seven Times "7=49" Oooh, I really *hate* the first song! Well, not the *very* first song, which is a pretty intro piece, but the second song. The rest of it's really nice though. I just hate it when good albums start out badly (for me) and I really haven't had the desire to listen again. I know I will though. I'll just have to start with track 3. Talk about "hidden" tracks taken to the limit...there are only 14 songs listed on the CD, yet there are about 28! They range from 3 second bits to couple minute instrumentals. They were in Chicago on Saturday, and I missed them . == Milla "The Divine Comedy" What everybody says folks! This is good stuff! I hope she can keep it up, and improve her lyrics along the way :-). Lyrically, "Charlie" is the best of the bunch, but musically, I really like all of them, and haven't picked a favorite yet. I'll be listening to this *many* more times! == Talitha MacKenzie "Solas" (original singer for Mouth Music) I was really disappointed with this the first time through, but the second time I found I really liked it. Without knowing any of the background, I had always assumed that Talitha left Mouth Music because she wanted to return to more traditional music. Obviously I was wrong! This is Talitha doing the exact same sort of stuff she was doing with MM...very traditional vocals with "modern" music. I can't help but think that she should have stayed with Martin Swan, because his music was better than what's on this album. The situation is bizarre, and though it's none of my business, I'd really like to know why they parted ways. I'd also like to know what Swan thinks of this album, because there are 2 (count 'em!) 2 different versions of "Sienn Oi!" on here. One is actually called "Sienn Oi!" and the other isn't, but it's the same tune. What's weird is that she doesn't credit Martin Swan *anywhere* on this album. Ah well, I'm glad I got it, because I would have wondered what it was like. I have been wondering! And, one can't have too many versions of "Sienn Oi!" no matter whose album it's on, and I actually like this version best of all. Her voice is stronger, she sings faster and the whole song is centered around the vocals in a way that it wasn't in Mouth Music's version. == Iris DeMent "My Life" (I didn't even know she *had* a new one out!!) Strange, but the album I've listened to the most out of all these, is also the least "ecto-ish" in every way, shape & form. I've listened to this album over and over and over and over again, straight through and on random repeat, and I just love it to death. HOWEVER, I'M NOT RECOMMENDING IT. Lots of different factors have to be in place before people will enjoy this album, and I want to make sure everyone understands what they are. If you know who Hank Williams Sr. and Lefty Frizzell are and what they sound like, and if you can imagine a female Hank Williams Sr. and Lefty Frizzell, with more modern lyrics, then you can grasp what Iris sounds like. She's more country than country, but better (IMHO) than 99% of the country out there. She's no "hybrid" like Nanci Griffith or Roseanne Cash, and she's not in it for the fun of it, like kd lang was. Funny, but she's *SO* traditional-sounding, that she's "alternative" in her own right. Not a country pop diva like Patsy Cline, and not a natural born singer like Loretta Lynn, she's definitely a "love her or hate her" artist, much the same way that Victoria Williams is. They both write wonderful songs, and sing them with a voice that will either enchant and mesmirize or drive a body up the wall. Obviously, I'm in the enchanted and mesmirized category :-). Now, I'm not comparing their voices at all. Victoria's is much more ideosyncratic and filled with child-like wonder. Iris has a voice that's basic and earthy, unpolished and direct. If you can handle *very* country music, and her voice, then Iris has 2 wonderful albums that you should add to your collection. "Infamous Angels" and "My Life" deserve to be heard, deserve to be cried over, deserve to be smiled over, deserve to be cherished. She's lived in Kansas City for many years, yet I never knew about her when I lived there :-(. Charlie and I interviewed Iris the last time she played Chicago, and it was quite wonderful. She's very very nice, articulate, and interesting. And yes, I gave her a Happy CD :-). Btw, Iris wrote the song "Let The Mystery Be" which 10,000 Maniacs covered. I haven't heard 10M's version, but I sure do love the original. Vickie (who guesses that the Lefty Frizzell albums in her dad's collection prepared her for loving Iris DeMent a few decades later) ======================================================================== From: kmorrey@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Kathleen Morrey) Subject: Iris DeMent (was: New Music Thoughts) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 08:37:16 -0500 (CDT) Well, I don't think Vickie should refrain from recommending any music that she likes, though the caveat that it's "non-Ecto-fodder" is welcome. I think "Infamous Angel" is a wonderful album, though it took me several run-throughs to get used to her "twang" :) Interesting that in most music stores I find her in the Folk section - anyone want to venture a musical and/or lyrical separation between country and folk? I do find her similar in emotion and tone of songs to Nanci Griffith. Vickie, do you consider Nanci to be "hybrid" of folk and country, or another hybridization? For the past several months I've been on a folky/country kick, interspersed of course with picking up some Sarah MacLachlan and Loreena McKennit. Saturday I bought 2 Nanci Griffith CD's, 2 Michelle-Shocked CD's (I would LOVE to hear ecto-view on Michelle-Shocked, btw!), and the Tori Amos Little Earthquakes video. I started watching the Little Earthquakes video last night, but couldn't appreciate it fully because halfway through a friend of mine from high school who used to be engaged to my boyfriend asked me if I wanted to go to Italy with her, and if I couldn't, would I mind if she took my boyfriend for a few weeks? Being completely (un?)reasonable, I minded very much, and it took over my thoughts. I'll give Tori another watch later. Only comment is, she didn't seem as SEXY as she did really live. The videos seem to take away from the songs themselves to me, as well. Well, till later, Kath ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 14:53:09 BST From: GTP10@phx.cam.ac.uk Subject: UK Ecto Party May 7th 1994 This is an update on the status of the Ecto Party which I am hosting in Cambridge on Saturday 7th May. At the moment I am expecting the following to attend: >From Cambridge: myself, Tim (Steele), Guy (Larri) and Jonathan Oakley (who is not yet a Happy fan but will be sooner rather than later) >From the rest of the UK: Tim (Cook) but no one else... Steve are not going to pop up the M11? >From Germany: Uli, Klaus and Claudia >From Australia (via Holland): Chris Boek (with 80% certainty) >From the USA: Meredith, woj, Vickie'n'Chris (all definitely), Valerie (?) Anyone else is more than welcome! Can someone who has hosted one of these gatherings before let me know what the form is? Thanks! Geoff ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 21:34:09 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Polly J (was Re: Sarah, Tori, Ingrid, and...) Philip Saintyiserises: > Anthony decided: > > > I must actually find out if they have any Sarah videos in their archives; I > > scored a whole pile of Curve videos that way, for singles that were never > > released in Australia. > > hmmm... are NZ and Australian video formats compatible? :) :-) Lucky you, they are. Both use PAL. > > Sade is the name of the band that Sade Adu sings in. As someone also pointed > > out, PJ Harvey is a band, Polly Jane Harvey its singer. > > If I'm wrong, I'm inviting masses of egg on face, but isn't it Polly > Jean Harvey? (same letters I guess - one of us just typed them in > the wrong order by mistake :) Now this got me a little confused, so I asked my housemate, who says that he thinks Jean sounds right. I, however, could swear she was Polly Jane in an interview article Select did a while back. Hmmm. I'll take this one under advisement. Who wants to be the one to prove me wrong this time? :-) > Last of all, I think I saw Nettwerk's sampler #4 ("Possessed"?) about > somewhere... is it worth getting hold of? (I have to say, I'm > extraordinarily irritated that you can get their samplers here (albeit > in very limited quantites I understand) but Sarah's albums are nowhere > to be seen... Oh well - I'll get them by some means eventually :) Well, don't forget Sarah is on Arista in this bit of the world. BMG Australia have the rights for Australia dn NZ, and plan to release "Fumbling Towards Ecstacy" on April 28th. - Anthony (the-apparently-complex-one!) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 21:29:57 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: Moon Seven Times catalog Aeren tells of The Moon Secen Times' merchandising: > M7x 1st cd 15.00 Indispensible! :-) > M7x "My Medicine" single 3.00 > (this includes My Medicine, Motion, and > Ghost Station) Be aware that "Ghost Station" is one of the extra tracks on the first CD. > M7x 1 hour Public tv video and BONUS > "Paris Luna" music video 12.00 This one's *really* good. Unfortunately only available in lo-fi mono VHS, but dubbed off a 1" master, the public TV performance is musically wonderful (it includes a couple of songs off the new album, too) and unintentionally amusing (the audience look like they just stepped into a Woodstock Behaviour Simulator!). There's interview footage as well, including Lynn Canfield's guide to writing songs while driving. A must if you like the band. > _Thurtene_ cd (A collection of 4AD covers > by U.S. bands: M7x, Hover, Tel Basta, > Orange, and suchlike) 10.00 M7x's track is the first on the disc, a cover version of "Michelle", originally performed by (Clan Of) Xymox on their rather wonderful "Medusa" album. The M7x version is great, if a little murkily recorded, and with Lynn singing the words are *finally* understandable. Unless she made up new ones. :-) > The band also performed several songs, and were videotaped, perhaps for > later release. The Author made plans to buy _7=49_ ASAP. You won't regret it. Can't wait to see what happens with the video footage! > Aeren, recently told by a computer grammar checker to reduce his use of the > passive voice. :-) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: Re: UK Ecto Party May 7th 1994 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 15:03:36 +0100 From: Stephen Thomas Hello. Could you give me some details about where and when (precisely) things are going on? I'm sorry if I missed details posted earlier, but things are a bit hectic at the moment! I would like to attend if possible, since Cambridge is not *that* far from Nottingham, really! Keep well, Stephen ======================================================================== From: mklprc@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 13:43:54 EDT Subject: Re: Thank You I have seen a number of people ragging on Duran^2's version of Thank You. I can't agree. When I heard Tori's, I didn't even know it WAS a Zep song, because I hated Zep with a passion; they represented the worst of '70s music and one of the reasons that Punk came to be. I like Robert Plant, though, and the things he did from the '80s up to now. Just last week I heard that song by DD on my local you-call-this-an-alternative station and froze in my tracks. What WAS that, I thought? Fortunately they back-announced it (a rare event at KBBT) and I wondered then what those Ectoids who hated it were hearing?? Of course it doesn't sound like Tori's version; it just sounds like a better implementation of the original. I thought it one of the few good works by DD these days, a band I had written off as corporate hacks who spent their talent years ago. I loved their early albums; just wish they would lock onto what they do best and develop it. Michael Pearce mklprc@aol.com ======================================================================== From: mklprc@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 13:43:42 EDT Subject: Re: BETTY >The liner notes state: Look for these selections and more > on BETTY's upcoming album, to be released sometime before > the cows come home. Shake it easy. Who on earth (or beyond) is B.E.T.T.Y.? Michael Pearce mklprc@aol.com ======================================================================== From: mklprc@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 13:44:06 EDT Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Quoting Philip Sainty > Now... it's high time I got myself a Joni Mitchell album, and so I > thought I'd call upon ectophile expertise to advise me as to which > one I should start with :) Yeah, I will: Stay far away from everything she has done since 1971. There was a period when she was channeling Charlie Parker, much to the dismay of both Mitchell fans and Parker fans. She got away from that and did some other stuff, but I have not heard anything as good as her original works. Her best albums are her earliest: self-titled album #1; Clouds; Ladies of the Canyon. Also, many Mitchell fans liked Blue, her fourth (I didn't). Michael "This should get me flamed, even on Ecto" Pearce mklprc@aol.com ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 13:53:12 -0400 From: pomis..mrgate.."a1::pearceja"%pomis.dnet@wl.wpafb.af.mil Subject: What to do in Detroit From: NAME: Lt Jeffrey A. Pearce FUNC: POSF TEL: 52089 To: "ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu"@WLN15@MRGATE@POMIS Hello everyone, I'm going to be trekking from Dayton, Ohio to Pontiac, Michigan on Friday to catch Ozric Tentacles. I was wondering if anyone could suggest some CD shops in Detroit or Pontiac that I should try to visit. I was also curious if anyone was familiar with the club where they'll be playing, a place called Industry. Please respond by private e-mail. Thanks. Jeff Pearce pearceja@wl.wpafb.af.mil ======================================================================== Subject: Re: BETTY Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 14:09:44 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Michael Pearce asks: >Who on earth (or beyond) is B.E.T.T.Y.? No, no, no. That's Betty. Or sometimes BETTY. Never B.E.T.T.Y. Betty is a band, originally from DC and no living in NYC, comprised of 2 sisters and a sister (Amy and Bitzi Ziff and Alison...hmmm...what's her last name? Parker?). They sing mostly light-hearted vocal jazz-tinged, often a capella music, both original and arrangements of others folks' stuff. Their first album is called _Hello Betty_, which is a nod to the way they begin their performances...they say, "Hi, we're Betty" and expect the crowd to respond, "HELLO BETTY!" It's a groovacious album, and features what I believe to be the first song ever based on a Jane Siberry song ("D.C. Dog," calling to mind Jane's "Everything Reminds Me of My Dog"). Betty has opened for Jane and they received a thank you credit in the liner notes of _When I Was a Boy_. They're wonderful live... Jeff (who's been plugging Betty in these parts for a couple of years now...) ======================================================================== From: Ethan_Straffin@next.com (Ethan Straffin) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 11:10:34 -0700 Subject: Liz'n'Alison A couple quick bits of tid before I'll have to get Back to Work: 1) Don't forget Liz Phair on Letterman tonight, if you can get it! (Let's hope she doesn't have too hard a time with that stage fright of hers...I've noticed that most of my favorite musicians haven't exactly managed to shine on the late-night circuit lately.) 2) Just wanted to enthusiastically recommend Alison Moyet's latest album, _Essex_. What can I say, I found _Hoodoo_ a bit disappointing, but this one finally elevates Alison to goddesshood in my book. She sounds like she's having more flat-out *fun* than ever before, and there's really not a bad song here, unless you count the cheeseball radio remix of "Whispering Your Name." "Satellite" and "Take of Me," the two ballads on the album, are both simply gorgeous, and the more upbeat numbers had me dancing on my balcony Friday night. :) The lyrics are good too; nobody can dis an inconsiderate ex quite the way Alf can. A terrific album to start off springtime with. Oops, methinks me hears a whip cracking... Ethan ======================================================================== Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 14:15:55 -0400 From: Dan Riley mklprc@aol.com writes: >Yeah, I will: Stay far away from everything she has done since 1971. There >was a period when she was channeling Charlie Parker, much to the dismay of >both Mitchell fans and Parker fans. She got away from that and did some other >stuff, but I have not heard anything as good as her original works. > >Her best albums are her earliest: self-titled album #1; Clouds; Ladies of the >Canyon. Also, many Mitchell fans liked Blue, her fourth (I didn't). > >Michael "This should get me flamed, even on Ecto" Pearce >mklprc@aol.com Well, probably not actually flamed, but I do know several people here disagree. Here's what I posted last time this came up, a little over a year ago (with a correction or two): tsai@ikos.com (Finney T. Tsai) writes: >:> >Anyone have recommendations on what would be a good first Joni >:> >Mitchell album to buy? > >I'd rank Joni's works as: > >1. Spark and Court >2. Blue >3. Shadow and Light >4. Whatever else hmmm...my favorite Joni's might go 1. Shadows and Light 2. Hejira 3. The Hissing of Summer Lawns 4. Blue but I probably wouldn't recommend Hejira or The Hissing of Summer Lawns (or Don Juan's Reckless Daughter or Mingus) as a first Joni album, unless you're into jazz. Joni went through several distinct periods, starting with the folk/solo guitar style of Joni Mitchell, Clouds, Ladies of the Canyon, and Blue. Then there's the first pop phase, which produced one classic pop album, Court and Spark. After that, she slipped into jazz with The Hissing of Summer Lawns (which, after Court and Spark, was pretty controversial), Hejira, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter, Mingus, and the *amazing* Shadows and Light tour (and live album). Following that is the second pop phase, with several albums whose names completely escape me now (even the one done in Peter Gabriel's studio). Since the styles vary substantially, where you start depends a lot on what you are interested in. The Joni Mitchell most people are familiar with is the first two phases--the folk singer who wrote songs like "Chelsea Morning", and the pop singer of Court and Spark. The venture into jazz lost a lot of her audience, and her (undistinguished, in my opinion) pop albums since then haven't really regained it. For a "classic" Joni Mitchell first album, I suppose I'd reccomend Court and Spark or Blue, followed perhaps by Clouds or For the Roses (if I've got that right), and then maybe The Hissing of Summer Lawns if you're feeling adventurous. (this is all from memory--I'm at work, and the lyrics server doesn't have much useful for Joni--so apologies for the gaps. Album lists are only approximately chronological, as I honestly can't remember the dates for *any* of them offhand...) -- Dan Riley Internet: dsr@lns598.tn.cornell.edu Wilson Lab, Cornell University HEPNET/SPAN: lns598::dsr (44630::dsr) "WARPAINT is two fellows one of the fantasy kingly album that the gardener to relatives' creativity by the first lung from Zitaten can set fire to" ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 11:29:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Marisa Wood Subject: new newsgroup! The USENET server at the U. of W. has, *at long last*, added alt.music.alternative.female! YAAAY! I'm happy to say that I'm the one who put in the request that it be added. :) One of Seattle's newest Ectophiles, Marisa Wood mlwood@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 14:30:44 -0500 (EST) From: "I'll be here, I'll be ecto..." Subject: Sarah vids and HC update... Hi all, There's been quite a bit of talk here lately about Sarah's videos. I'm in the group who would really like to see her videos. I know Meth and woj have some videos, but only on VCR. I actually have 2 VCR's but no Sarah videos. I'd be more than happy to make copies for people if I had a copy myself. So if anyone out there has a tape with Sarah's videos on it, would it at all be possible for me to get a copy? I can send a blank tape to anyone, just let me know... Also, the first couple of people should be getting their Happy cards anyday now, if they haven't already. I've sent out 6 envelopes (1 to Happy herself) so far, and I've got plenty of cards left... :) Thanks and take care, John P.S. Glad to hear that you are going to England Vickie. *HUGS* I envy all of you who are going... :) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)