Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1081 ecto, Number 1081 Thursday, 14 April 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* To Be Honest ...suicide... Stina Nordenstam - New Album Press Release [repost] FUMBLING TOWARDS CONCERT Re: _Bohemia_ -- Mae Moore Re: Sarah, Tori, Ingrid, and a few things I'm forgetting Album credits (was _Bohemia_ -- Mae Moore) Sally Barker Today's your birthday friend.... Re: too weird for me Re: ecto thoughts Re: government hard at work Re: government hard at work Boston area showing of Line, cross curve!! Sade Re: Today's your birthday friend.... Reminder and Re: Album credits ======================================================================== Date: 14 Apr 94 04:16:38 EDT From: "Wendy S. Ettinghoff" <72064.3606@compuserve.com> Subject: To Be Honest Hi folks, Which ones did I keep from my shopping spree last weekend? Well, I only kept the Toni Childs "House of Hope", Suzanne Vega "99.9 F", Robyn Hitchcock "Perspex Island", Lyle Lovett "Lyle Lovett", and Lyle Lovett "Lyle Lovett and His Large Band". I went on yet another spree and found cds from Darling Buds, Kirsty Maccoll, Heidi Berry, and Tribe. To further pair down, I only chose Kirsty Maccoll "Titanic Days", to add to my growing collection. She reminds me of someone I have heard before but can't remember who. Where did she come from? Did she do music for a soundtrack? I know I have heard her before. Her sound kind of reminds me of disappear fear. Disappear fear is much better though. And Happy still is #1! No one has ever been able to convince me otherwise. I have been listening to all of the collection of Happy these past few days and can't believe how incredibly consistently great every one of them is. I would not be able to choose a favorite at this time. Someone posted something about Happy putting out yet another release. Is this true and when can we expect this next masterpiece? Does anyone know why she has such macabre art on her covers? My friends who don't know her music want to know. She is so mysteeeeeerious! Jessica moving to the west coast hopefully will start a trend for ECTO folk. Best of luck out here Jessica. And thanks so much for keeping the ECTO family together. Now let's work on getting Happy here also for a west coast tour. And by the way, how many of us folks are on ECTO currently? Have their been any demographic studies done on ECTO for Aural Gratification? Just curious how they decide when and where Happy will go. It feels like such a tease to be able to just hear her recorded, not that that's not a good tease, but live would be so very nice. I used to own a lot of Renaissance albums and I agree with whoever posted the idea that October Project sounds a bit like Renaissance, but they also sound a bit like Clannad. Some stranger wrote: >I do not know you. Please tell me who you are. E-mail id's have changed. I don't know you either. I'm not sure what you mean by E-mail id's have changed. Thanks to Neal for the disappear fear tape tip. I'll be on the lookout for it. And thanks to everyone for sharing your suggestions of artists I might like. Now for bye, Wendy E. ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 10:31:06 EST From: Ilka Heber Subject: ...suicide... Hi everybody, and a special hi to Vickie! = ) I read Vickie's note commenting a little on the different opinions people had on Kurt Cobain's suicide. If you are one of those people who feel that they can't hear this subject anymore, now is the time to skip this note! = ) You know, I cannot handle suicide - not at all. Basically I can't handle natural death either! It's a very selfish attitude, I guess, but I feel terrible about the hole that gets torn in my normal life when somebody passes away - no matter which way that might be. My granny died about 4 years ago. She was the first person of my immediate family who I had to watch dying (not literally, but over a few weeks' time). After it was over I kept on dreaming that doctors told me that it was a mistake and she's not really dead... The first "public person" whose death made me fell really, really bad was Freddie Mercury. I *loved* Queen, and I still do and I think that NOONE could ever fill the gap that Freddie left in the world of music. He was a genius and had an incredible voice. And the way he had to die... Well, it can't be helped, but it makes still makes me very sad. I was never a big Nirvana fan at all, but I always find it very tragic when I hear that somebody (no matter who, really) of around about my age or younger passes away. If I hear, though, that somebody really blows his brain out I just can't believe it! How strongly this person must want to die if he/she destroys him-/herself like that!!! Okay, this is not really the point, though. I don't exactly feel sorry for Kurt, as he chose what he did as his way out. He'll be free of pain now - whereever he is. I feel extremely sad for the little girl, though, and for Courtney, too. They are being burdened with an incredible weight. The baby will NEVER have a chance to get to know her father, and she might even think, when she grows up a little, that he killed himself because he didn't love her enough. And Courtney?? She'll feel so guilty, don't you think? Wouldn't we all feel guilty if somebody close commits suicide? I would certainly wonder whether I did something wrong or could have done something to prevent this from happening. It's too late now - nobody can change anything. I personally don't think that ANYTHING could happen that would justify to take your own life. Even if you're really down, there's a point where things can only get better! I love life and I think it's far too short as it is. Anyway, all you wonderful people out there - I hope you'll all be positive enough to keep you going, when you really feel bad, you'll miss a lot if you don't, and you might ruin the lives of people you really care about. Sorry, I burbled on for so long - I hope I haven't bored yourselves to tears. I just felt I wanted to say this. *HUGS* Ilka = ) ======================================================================== From: "Mr. P. Kulawec" Subject: Stina Nordenstam - New Album Press Release Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 11:10:09 +0100 (BST) Hi, UK readers may know that the new Stina Nordenstam LP is released within the UK next monday (18th April). More by luck that by strategic planning I've got hold of a promo box for this that contains the current CD single, an interview video, and a press release. The CD I'm leaving till after I listen to the album, the video I can't play, but I thought I'd type in the press release for your instruction and amusement. It is unfortunately written in the sort of record company hyperbole that, when read by anyone with more that an ounce of cynicism, does more harm than good. Perhaps it's just me but I also think it becomes incoherent with excitement towards the end :-). Anyhow enjoy, and I think the album will be as good as they say it is... Stina Nordenstam - And She Closed Her Eyes ---------------- ----------------------- Nothing, not even the rain, has such small hands, or such a quiet voice. When Stina Nordenstam sings, she seems to gather silence round her self until it's impossible not to listen to the words, which deal with hurt and isolation, strength and loss. When the E string broke on her guitar, she simply carried on without it, as if there were chords with holes in the middle. And now there are. She sings in unknown keys, jazzy, slightly cracked tunes that won't conform to the kind of rules they teach you in conservatory. She was born in Stockholm in 1969, a city that already represented sanctuary to American GIs weary and sick of the hot morass of South East Asia. Her parents were left-wingers and Stina was inducted into the Swedish equivalent of the Young Communist League, an association that stirred pangs of fear when she first visited the United States. However, Stina isn't now, nor has she ever been, susceptible to anyone else's version of events. Her vision, like her musical education, has been utterly individual. She first heard jazz round her home, where her father was an enthusiastic amateur player. She picked up the fiddle and the piano, started picking out bebop solos and, after hearing John Coltrane, listened out for all those fourths and ninths that weren't supposed to be there. At the same time, she was scratching out pages of classically-inspired compositions, ideas which even now she refuses to shrug away as adolescent self-indulgence. It's clear that "straight" music - from Gregorian chant to the moody pre- modernism of Satie and the folksier side of Bartok - still plays an important role in her writing, and that's one of the reasons why her first serious group, the Flippermen, never quite sounded like a straight jazz act, for all the dues-paid experience of her colleagues. These days, Stina shies away from live performance, preferring to focus her attention on studio settings where the songs are allowed to establish their own dramatic presence. That was fundamentally true to her critically acclaimed debut album _Memories Of A Color_ (Telegram/East West), released in 1992. Each of the songs had as much emotional freight as most average pop albums. Some, like "He Watches Her From Behind" and "The Return Of Alan Bean", are now discussed by their admirers in terms usually reserved for Ingmar Bergman movies. One of the most persistent questions that _Memories Of A Color_ posed was: Where does she go from here? Stina then records _And She Closed Her Eyes_, and astonishingly, it's more personal that its predecessor. "When Debbie's Back Home From Texas" and "Murder In Maryland Park" have the same half-shut-eyes exactness of register, like screen memories all the more real for having happened to someone else. "Little Star" and "View ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 08:52:17 EDT From: torok@nynexst.com (David Torok) Subject: [repost] FUMBLING TOWARDS CONCERT Hullo, folks: I'm reposting this now that it's less than a week before the show! Also, I *may* have one extra ticket, let me know if you're interested. I should know whether that ticket is available by Monday. -=$>Dave<$=- | | Hi Everyone, | | Are you going to the 20 April Sarah show at SUNY Purchase, NY? Of | course you are! At least if you live in the NY-CT area you are. | | I am going to have a FUMBLING TOWARDS CONCERT wine-and-cheese event | at my apartment prior to the show, from about 6PM - 7:30PM. | My apartment is in White Plains, about 15 minutes' drive from SUNY | Purchase. | | My place is only a 10-15 minute walk from the White Plains (NY) train | station, in case you are car-less and coming from NYC. | I'm sure you'll be able to get a ride to/from the concert. | | I'm opening this up to all ectophiles/rdt-ers/fte people, but | >>>>>PLEASE R.S.V.P. to me by email<<<< | if you think you'll attend. I can then send driving or | walking directions to you, and I'll know how much food to buy. | Also let me know if you are a non-drinker as to what you'd prefer | to consume instead. | | In case you didn't know about the show, they still had decent tickets | available as of 2 days ago. The PAC Box office number is 914-251-6200. | The tix are $15. (well, this was as of April 1, so I don't know the ticket situation now) | | -=$>DaveTorok<$=- | torok@nynexst.com | ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 07:19:00 +0700 From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: Re: _Bohemia_ -- Mae Moore Greetings, Sue Trowbridge nominated Mae Moore for an award for dedicating _Bohemia_ to all of the citizens of the world. I noted that too, but held off in what was already a negative review. [Yes, I do have at least a little heart, believe it or not. :) ] Still Moore was just playing in the minor leagues in the "Hope I didn't miss anybody" award race. Amy Ray retired the trophy when she thanked "every _living_ thing in the universe" (emphasis hers) on the Indigo Girls' debut album, edging out someone whom I've forgotten who merely thanked "every sentient being in the universe" (Anyone remember who that was? I couldn't find it in a quick search of the usual suspects this morning). Feeling smug because I bought my four Nirvana albums well before Kurt Cobain's suicide [ 1/2 :) 1/2 :( ], I remain ... Doug Burks _O_ @>->--- dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 08:13:37 -0500 From: iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu Subject: Re: Sarah, Tori, Ingrid, and a few things I'm forgetting Meredith replied to my post: >>Has anyone heard the Duran Duran cover of Thank You? I caught an earful at >>Tower a few weeks ago, and nearly died laughing in the middle of the store. >>Now, as anyone who knows me will tell you, I am a Duran fan and only mildly >>ashamed of it. :-) But this cover was nearly impossible for me to listen to >>after experiencing Tori's masterful rendition. > >But you bought it anyway, didn't you? ;> Hmm..for honor's sake, I feel compelled to respond. No, I didn't buy it. BTW, if memory serves me, the album also includes "Your Ghost" by Kristen Hersh. I just could not stop laughing long enough, and besides, I rarely buy soundtracks since they usually offer only one or two interesting songs. I would rather spend the money on a full album of stuff I'll like. >>Sade: I love the group. I think I fell in love with their music the first >>time I saw an article about the band (They were slower to catch on in the >>U.S., so I read about them in a british mag) I still don't like the newest >>album, though. It just isn't as smooth and textured as Promise or Diamond >>Life. > >Um, which one of us is hallucinating that Sade is the name of one woman? >Am I missing something? Ah, one of my pet peeves. It's my understanding that the name Sade refers to two things: 1> the stunning lead vocalist, Sade and 2> the group itself, which is made up of 4 members. Personally, I'd hate being lost in the background, but I guess they are happy. >>NPR has just reported that the secret list of ingredients in cigarettes has >>just been released. > >Did this have anything to do with the disclosure of portions of the list >last week by NPR, I wonder? And if you're interested in the subject, US New and World Report has a good article about the recent war against cigarette companies and what they're doing to fight back. They treat the subject fairly and it's an interesting article. If I have time later today, I'll type in two reviews (small) from today's Chicago Tribune. They reviewed FtE and the Moon Seven Times (7=49). Banner day in Chicago! ==> valerie ============================================================================ iago@merle.acns.nwu.edu "Patience, Iago. He was obviously less than worthy." -- Jafar "Am I in heaven here or am I in hell? At the crossroads I am standing." --Sarah McLachlan ============================================================================ ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 10:39:59 -0500 (EST) From: Sam Warren Subject: Album credits (was _Bohemia_ -- Mae Moore) First: >Sue Trowbridge nominated Mae Moore for an award for dedicating _Bohemia_ >to all of the citizens of the world. Then: >Doug Burks notes that Amy Ray thanked "every _living_ thing in the >universe" (emphasis hers) on the Indigo Girls' debut album... >... and that someone else he's forgotten thanked "every sentient being in >the universe" Well, somewhat along those lines, though perhaps down another path: on Alison Moyet's new album, _Essex_, she dedicates the disc to "its owner, especially if you got it on purpose." I think this was my favorite credit yet. -Sam ======================================================================== Date: 14 Apr 94 11:02:33 EDT From: Mike Mendelson Subject: Sally Barker I know Vickie has mentioned Sally Barker before, and I've been looking for her cd for a long time. Anyways, this was posted to the folk group... maybe someone can elaborate and tell us more. |Enlightenment is sought: | Q1: Is the Sally Barker who plays with the semi-Celtic band |The Poozies (see this month's Dirty Linen) the same as the one |who made "This Rhythm Is Mine" on Ryko, and who guested on Pete |Morton's "Mad World Blues" [Green Linnet] album? | Anyone know for sure? There's a pic in DL, and it doesn't |_look_ like her. A common enough name, I suppose. | Either way, (Q2), has anyone heard the Poozies' recent album, |euphoniously entitled "Chantoozies"? It's an import [Hypertension |label], but getting good reviews. -mjm ======================================================================== From: klaus@inphobos.wupper.de Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 07:32:58 Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* *** *** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Pablo Iglesias Thu April 23 1964 Positive Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus William Morse Tue April 30 1968 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 2 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 3 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian May 3 Taurus Mark Semich Thu May 6 1965 Yield Joe Dembski Wed May 7 1952 Rumple Brian Gregory Thu May 9 1963 Eclectic Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- _____ Klaus Kluge * klaus@inphobos.wupper.de * I'll be here, I'll be (in) Ecto! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 22:03:13 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: too weird for me Neal also writes: > On the opposite end of the spectrum was the LA Times. They had apparently > already printed SUndays Calender section, which had a cover story on > Courtney Love and an article about women in rock and roll. The interview > with Love is very unnerving, as she talks about her worries about Kurts > well being. They didn't even slap anything over it to show that they were > aware of the events. Something similar happened in a local paper here, with a list going in of rock stars that should be dead, the list including Kurt. The feature was written after the coma incident in Rome, but held back for some reason. More ironic is the title of Courtney's band Hole's upcoming album. It's called "Live Through This". -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 21:46:36 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: ecto thoughts Valerie (welcome back! *HUG*) writes: > Has anyone heard the Duran Duran cover of Thank You? I caught an earful at > Tower a few weeks ago, and nearly died laughing in the middle of the store. > Now, as anyone who knows me will tell you, I am a Duran fan and only mildly > ashamed of it. :-) But this cover was nearly impossible for me to listen to > after experiencing Tori's masterful rendition. As it happens, I picked up the "With Honors" soundtrack from Warner today, and checking the track listing went "oh-oh, I hope it's not the same Thank You..." - but alas, it is. It's laughable alright. I was playing it just half an hour ago and almost felt ashamed that I once thought Duran Duran were a band that would be doing great things for a long time to come. Simon LeBon should be locked in a room with Tori's version of the song until he gets the point. :) - Anthony -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 21:54:41 +1000 From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Subject: Re: government hard at work Neal reports: > Here is the verbatim text of the California Sate Assembly proclamation > honoring Pink Floyd: > > WHEREAS, The Super Group Pink Floyd has remained one of the world's > longest running and most original musical groups ever and holds the Original??? Dave, Dave, it's OK, you *can* play another guitar solo apart from the two you currently know...! > WHEREAS, It has preserved embraced and promoted rare forms of musical > art, including electronic, blues, and folk style music in its > extensive repertoire; and Oh purleeease! > WHEREAS, The group has written and recorded such notable mega hit > albums as "Dark Side of the Moon," "Wish You Were Hear," "Such notable mega hit albums". Hee hee. Try keeping a straight face in the public gallery when that's read out...! > Reason," "A Delicate Sound of Thunder (Pink Floyd Live)," and the > "Division Bell," and I get it. This woman works for Sony, right? > WHEREAS, It has also created several memorable movies and video > tapes with its largest being the smash hit "The Wall;" and Alan Parker, who directed "The Wall", despises it and calls it "the most expensive student film ever made". > WHEREAS, The Pink Floyd group is currently performing a sold out > world tour with California stops in San Diego, Los Angeles, and > Oakland which sold over 500,000 tickets in less than three > hours; and WHEREAS, this reads like a Sony press release instead of a Bill! > WHEREAS, Pink Floyd has generated an army of jobs through the > production of records, tapes, compact discs, movies, books, > magazines and other related merchandise that is saved, treasured, > and cherished by their millions of fans; and I can't *believe* this! > WHEREAS, The vitality, scope, and strength of the Super Group > Pink Floyd is a testimony not only to the capabilities and talents > of a legendary entertaining industry, but to one that reaches out > to grasp the very essence of life; now, therefore, be it Oh bloody hell, it's the Disney version of the Sony press release. If the music Pink Floyd have been coming up with lately is the very essence of life then I may as well stop listening to music altogether...! :-) > RESOLVED BY ASSEMBLY MEMBER DIERDRE ALPERT, That the Super Group > Pink Floyd be commended for its outstanding display of > accoplishments within the recording industry, and applauded for > its remarkable talents and impeccable style which have provided > memorable entertainment to its audiences and many devoted fans. I used to think the Australian Goverment had too much time on its hands. Now I feel better. :-) -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au "All told, Under The Pink is small but likeably formed; ideal for those herbal-tea moments." - Caroline Sullivan of The Guardian reviewing the new "Victoria Amos" album. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ======================================================================== Subject: Re: government hard at work Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 13:29:06 -0400 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu Anthony writes: [re: the Floyd] >Original??? Dave, Dave, it's OK, you *can* play another guitar solo apart >from the two you currently know...! HEY! I *like* his guitar solos. >Alan Parker, who directed "The Wall", despises it and calls it "the most >expensive student film ever made". Yeah, and KaTe has put down *her* early albums, and Cocteau Twins have put down some of their albums, and... What's your point? I happen to love the film _The Wall_. >WHEREAS, this reads like a Sony press release instead of a Bill! HA! Good point. >I can't *believe* this! It *is* pretty....awkward, ain't it? Makes you wonder if *all* the stereotypes about California are true. ;-) Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 1994 14:41:50 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Boston area showing of Line, cross curve!! Hey! I just noticed in this week's Boston Phoenix, that Kate Bush's _The line, the cross and the curve_ is part of the Boston International Festival of Women's Cinema! It is being shown on Friday, April 29th at 10:15 p.m. at the Brattle Cinema in Cambridge. Cost is $6.00! So, for all of you in the rest of the country, keep your eyes peeled for showings! Michael ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 12:12:28 PDT From: Neal Copperman Subject: Sade I thought I saw it go by that someone already answered Meredith that Sade is the lead singer of Sade. Just wanted to add another case with Polly Harvey being the lead singer of PJ Harvey. Neal ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 16:08:35 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Re: Today's your birthday friend.... :-) > > i*i*i*i*i*i > *************** > ***HAPPY******* > ********BIRTHDAY*** > ******************* > *** *** > *********************** > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ...he'll be here, but he'll be ecto... :-) Vickie ps, HAPPY BIRTHDAY Stuart!! ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 14 Apr 94 16:35:04 EDT From: WretchAwry Subject: Reminder and Re: Album credits Reminder: Holly Cole on Conan O'Brien tonight (Thursday) Sam writes: > Well, somewhat along those lines, though perhaps down another path: on > Alison Moyet's new album, _Essex_, she dedicates the disc to "its owner, > especially if you got it on purpose." > > I think this was my favorite credit yet. Ha! That's great :-) Vickie (whose favorite credits can be found on the first 5 Happy CDs) (and the Psychowelder's album "Inertia") :-) ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)