Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1066 ecto, Number 1066 Monday, 4 April 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* A typical post from the old pooperoo Re: Tori in Montreal Rude record store clerks British Music Awards duet and seasonal music Re: philip glass taping can lead to death when f*cked up Spinanes Re: philip glass PJ Harvey and Bjork Re: PJ Harvey and Bjork Re: Late night talk show musical guests HugeMusicCollections(tm) Re: Late night talk show musical guests Sarah video Neticut from Connecticut (was....something else) Re: Sheryl Crow Gogh van Go and Spinanes Glass Jaw Mail problems...was...Glass Jaw Re: Sarah video ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 14:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Lovejoy Subject: A typical post from the old pooperoo Hello, How does my new modem look? My old one got zapped by a phone line surge; probably retribution for taping "The President's Analyst" the other night on AMC. I have adjusted my subject line to closer match the contents of this missive. Jessica, your test post came through fine. Angelos, your Tori post also showed up here. Don Gibson will be visiting us tomorrow on this leg of his New Jersey Tour. We are looking forward to meeting him and his wife! I read on a newsgroup that Enya is joining Sarah's tour as a keyboardist. She is getting ready to tour on her own, and will be getting used to live performance. Then again, it was April 1 recently... Now to download a backlog of mail. Talk to you soon! Bob, the old pooperoo ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: Tori in Montreal Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 19:49:51 -0400 (EDT) > A Case of You is of course Joni Mitchell's song from 1971. I hope > this turns up on a b-side soon - it's wonderful too. but so was > everything. wheee. i'm incoherent and sleepy. bye... Trivial Connections Department: Recordings exist of 0-+> (aka Squiggleman (ne Prince)) doing this song too. ======================================================================== From: Alain.Lachapelle@167-290-33.hexacom.com (Alain Lachapelle) Date: 02 Apr 94 14:14:21 -0500 Subject: Rude record store clerks Emily wrote: > comment about whatever I happen to be buying. There are comments > that are useful, imho, like "You know, that's one of 's > weaker albums; you might want to try " or "Oh, > if you like , you'd probably be interested in y>." It's pretty rare to find an educated, subjective dare I say, comment in that vein. Most of the times these clerks are repeating what's floating in the air, what's being spread by the medias in general. That is, if you're in a mainstream store. Little shops, on the other hand, don't tend to care much about "what's in the air" and tend to develop their own, distinctive, opinions. Which I much prefer. One time a video store clerk told me, with a "I-know-it-all" attitude, upon renting David Cronenberg's "Naked Lunch," that it was a bad movie. Having seen the film in T.O. the winter before, I was renting it in order to see again what I found to be a very interesting movie. So the clerk's comment couldn't clash more with what I thought. The store closed down a few months afterwards. I found it a nice coincidence. Cheers, Alain al@hexacom.com Now Playing: "Rumors of Glory" - Bruce Cockburn =============================================== ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 15:03:09 +1200 Subject: British Music Awards duet and seasonal music By chance I turned on the tv yesterday to find the British Music Awards on, and a few minutes later was witness to Bjoerk and Polly Harvey singing "Satisfaction" live... (well live when it was recorded at least... (umm... you know what I mean! :) ) which, given the usual lack of anything resembling interesting music on tv here, was a very pleasent surprise :) (perhaps not quite up to the degree of pleasentness as the time I was watching at about 1.00am and the video for "Don't Give Up" appeared as a filler between programmes, but appreciated nonetheless :) When were these awards, incidentally? (and did anything else of interest happen after this? :) - I taped it from about 1/4 of the way through the duet, but didn't watch the rest...) Belated Happy Birthday to Christian and Warpaint and Shorty!!! (what illustrious b'day companions you have, Christian! :) wrt Holly's question of music and seasons, I couldn't say for sure whether this happens to me, but given that I'll frequently decide which CD to play by looking at a group at random and selecting the one that 'feels' best, then I would imagine that the seasons affect the music I play, as I'm sure they affect my moods and feelings to some extent... Philip ps. Uli... Stop Buying CDs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) ======================================================================== From: mklprc@aol.com Date: Sun, 03 Apr 94 23:26:15 EDT Subject: Re: philip glass I hated the guy from day one. Only on Koinnatzxqquuii (I can't spell it, so might as well make it worse!) did his music seem to fit anywhere. Then I heard his "Solo Piano" album. Sold. I finally understood what he was trying to do. Or maybe that when it was just him and the keyboard a tiny, little bit of humanity leaked out. The tightly coordinated band he uses does everything necessary to delete any soul or style from the raw notes. In that sense, the album is a failure; it sounds like there really is someone human involved. I have never bought another Glass album, but if he does a Solo Piano II I would probably go for it. Michael "So tell us how you _really_ feel" Pearce ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 03 Apr 1994 23:28:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Suspended In Duct Tape Subject: taping can lead to death when f*cked up Hi! Alex explained: >I think the problem was that after Sarah's first song the _Today_ >hosts were sitting around talking and then said goodbye and see you >later and everything and it really looked like the show was completely >over. They then went to commercial. After the commercial they came >back and said something like "We close with another song from Sarah. >Sarah..." and she started playing it on the piano. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! (that was me, not woj. woj is dead now.) >It was cool to see her then play it on guitar on Alternative Nation. >What talent! :) And the winner for Understatement of the Decade is.... :) I actually did radio today, for the first time in 3 weeks. I'll post the playlist tomorrow... +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr New Haven, CT USA meth@delphi.com| +===========================================================================+ |"and there is a love that's inherently given a kind of blindess offered to | | deceive and in that light of forbidden joy oh I know I won't receive it " | | - Sarah McLachlan, "Wait" | +===========================================================================+ ======================================================================== Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 23:42:32 -0300 (EDT) From: Karen Rauch Subject: Spinanes Are you in Arizona now? I was just wondering if you knew where the Spinanes were from. I am in DC. I thought they were a local band. They play here fairly frequently. I think right now they are touring with the Afgahan Whigs. ======================================================================== From: jzitt@ssnet.com (Joseph Zitt) Subject: Re: philip glass Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 23:58:33 -0400 (EDT) > Then I heard his "Solo Piano" album. Sold. I finally understood what he was > trying to do. Or maybe that when it was just him and the keyboard a tiny, > little bit of humanity leaked out. The tightly coordinated band he uses does > everything necessary to delete any soul or style from the raw notes. In that > sense, the album is a failure; it sounds like there really is someone human > involved. Funny, that's the one album of his that I can't stand (though I haven't caught up on all his recent ones). To me, it sounded mechanical and tossed- off, a pallid bore compared to the lively humanity of his ensemble work. Funny how these things go... ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 01:00:04 -0300 (EDT) From: Karen Rauch Subject: PJ Harvey and Bjork First a question about the spelling of Bjork. Is it Bjork or Bjoerk? or does it not matter since it is a translation anyway? Were PJ Harvey and Bjork performing together just for the British Music Awards or do they perform together often? I had never ever connected them together in my mind. I imagine it must have been a pretty interesting rendition of "Satisfaction." By the way, PJ Harvey declined to tour with Lollapalooza this year. Do you think it's because it has become way too commercial and she has integrity or because she is working on a new album and knows she can headline Lollapalooza next summer? Karen ======================================================================== From: Philip Sainty Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 19:15:38 +1200 Subject: Re: PJ Harvey and Bjork Karenquired: > First a question about the spelling of Bjork. Is it Bjork or Bjoerk? or > does it not matter since it is a translation anyway? I read somewhere that as the (Philip displays lack of knowledge of accent names) two dots above the o in Bjork can't be displayed in standard ascii, it should be written Bjoerk... I have also seen others write it this way, so I assumed it was correct... I imagine that there are others on the list who can say whether this is right or not... On the other hand, I don't think people should be expected to know alternative spellings for all the different kinds of accents which can't be displayed in ascii, so I don't think it matters too much... > Were PJ Harvey and Bjork performing together just for the British Music > Awards or do they perform together often? I don't know the answer to this, but it was certainly the first I've heard of them performing together... > I had never ever connected them > together in my mind. I imagine it must have been a pretty interesting > rendition of "Satisfaction." Indeed, and a most enjoyable rendition I thought. It was also the first time I'd seen either of them 'live'... (It's a shame I didn't have a tape ready to go... I had to wind it forward a way before I could safely start taping, and so missed the start...) Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ psainty@comp.vuw.ac.nz ------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need" --Kate Bush ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 06:56:39 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Late night talk show musical guests On Sun, 3 Apr 1994 jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu wrote: > Has October Project been mentioned here? I've been meaning to ask about > 'em. I saw a video of theirs on VH-1 and was *very* impressed. But it > seemed like there was a bit of a country feel to it and I wasn't sure if it > was a slightly country song by a non-country band, or a less-country song > by a country band. I loved the video, whatever it was... October Project is a very Clannad-esque outfit. Rather celtic in feel, although the lead singer has a deeper, richer voice. If you like Clannad, you'll probably like October Project. BTW, Jeff, now that spring has sprung, you must be heavily involved in kite flying again. What sort of things are you going to be doing this season? Michael ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 07:37:01 +0700 From: dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu (Doug Burks) Subject: HugeMusicCollections(tm) Greetings, Philip ponders one of the Great Questions of Life: how do you people with HugeMusicCollections(tm) manage to listen to even a fraction of them on a regular basis? Would you believe a random number generator? Seriously! I have 300 cassette tapes which hold the cream of my crop, and a long list of random numbers from 1-300. Every once in a while I cross a number off that list and put that tape in my stack of active music. I'm currently typing in a full listing of my record collection and intend to set a random number generator loose on it (whenever I finish (probably a couple of decades from now :) ). That project will also answer the timeless question of "Just how many albums _do_ I have?" I don't know if I really want to know the answer. :) Anyway, it may be a lot of work, but it's a lot of fun re-discovering wonderful albums you have forgotten over the years ("Blues Helping" by Love Sculpture was my latest) or to find out how your tastes have changed over the years. Maintaining that if you know how many albums you have, you don't have a HugeMusicCollection(tm), I remain ... Doug Burks _O_ @>->--- dbx@olympic.atmos.colostate.edu |< She really is!! ======================================================================== From: guetzlaf@rhea.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Subject: Re: Late night talk show musical guests Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 08:38:33 -0500 (CDT) Jeffy sez: >>4/7 Sheryl Crow > >I think Sheryl's been mentioned here. I've only heard her single, "Leaving >Las Vegas" and it's pretty good. Cathy Guetzlaff bought the album, and as >I recall, wasn't too enamored. Yup, I bought it after having heard "Leaving Las Vegas" a bazillion times and liking that. The rest of the album was <*yawn*> uninspired, IMHO of course. I've heard one should see her live to truly appreciate her. I think I'll pass on that. >>4/8 October Project > >Has October Project been mentioned here? I've been meaning to ask about >'em. I saw a video of theirs on VH-1 and was *very* impressed. I've got this one too and do like it! Reminds me a bit of Kindness of Strangers. Jeffy, I'll bring you a tape when I come visit if you can wait that long. -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@cray.com ======================================================================== From: dfleenor@nettech.com (super dave?) Subject: Sarah video Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 10:33:13 -0500 (EDT) A friend of mine was telling me that he saw a Sarah video but didn't know the name of the song. He said it's set in the jungle or something and that she's naked and covered in mud. I think he's pulling my leg. Is this Sarah, and if so, what's the name of the song? ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 11:00:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Neticut from Connecticut (was....something else) Hello, ksilver@zeus.st.3com.com (Keith Silver) write, in answer to my question about Laurie Anderson and Lou Reed: (Stuff about WXPN and a doctor's appointment deleted) and then poses the following question: >Hmm, what is the proper neticut for responding to a part of a message where >the subject of the original message no longer applies? Leave the subject >alone or update it to something more appropriate? How about: >"Laurie Anderson + Lou Reed was Tori and Philip Glass" Uh, Keith :) I think that would be: Laurie Anderson + Lou Reed WERE Tori and Philip Glass ^^^^ and besides, they weren't, you silly person...:)? .----------------------------------------------------------------------. ./| | | |/| Discover your inner evil twin. | Chris Sampson | |/| | chris@neuron.uchc.edu | |/`-----------------------------------------------------------------------' |///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// `------------------------------------------------------------------------' ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 08:34:22 PDT From: hanson@ast.saic.com (Jeffrey Hanson) Subject: Re: Sheryl Crow Having seen Sheryl Crow live, I would definitely recommend it. She comes across much better live than on her CD. Its funny that everyone likes "Leaving Las Vegas." To me, its my least favorite song on the album. She sounds constipated. I much prefer some of the other songs--and the "Na Na Song" is tremendous in concert. I love it on the album, but mainly because it reminds me of the concert. The album is good--not great, but worth checking out. Jeff ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 08:35:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Ectophiles Guide Subject: Gogh van Go and Spinanes Alain was wondering if Gogh van Go was any good. Well, of course that depends on taste. They are fairly fairly pop as compared to a lot of ecto-fodder but have good voices, harmonies and interesting lyrics. I can't really think of anyone they are quite like, but feel as though I should be able to. I guess I would mainly compare them with 10,000 Maniacs and the Innocence Mission. I like quite a lot myself, and Jim has obsessed with one of their songs called "Call it Romance". Karen Rauch was wondering where The Spinanes are from: Portland, Oregon. Well, it's Monday. Back to work I guess. --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 11:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Glass Jaw I'm not trying to start a fight. It's just that this, entirely valid, opinion is as good a jumping off point as I'll ever get. >I hated the guy from day one. Only on Koinnatzxqquuii (I can't spell it, so >might as well make it worse!) did his music seem to fit anywhere. :) I heard, in order, Einstein....and then, much later, Powaqqatsi (2 of 3, which began with Koyaanisqatsi)....They were VERY different. Next I heard Koyaanisqatsi (and was disappointed, a little). So I went from "hmmmm"-liking him to REALLY liking him ALOT (check out Powaqqatsi if you want to hear "human" sounding music (world beat influenced)). To having to realize that the 3rd work for me to hear was prior to his that I'd heard 2nd.... >Then I heard his "Solo Piano" album. Sold. I finally understood what he was >trying to do. Or maybe that when it was just him and the keyboard a tiny, >little bit of humanity leaked out. The tightly coordinated band he uses does >everything necessary to delete any soul or style from the raw notes. In that >sense, the album is a failure; it sounds like there really is someone human >involved. Okay, here's where I'm NOT trying to start a fight :) I keep hearing people (occasionally, myself included) lament the supposed soul (or lack thereof) in this or that musical/artistic work. And what I keep having to remind them (and, occasionally, myself) is that the sympathetic vibrations that we call "taste" are HIGHLY sujective. Which is to say that, IMnsHO, Einstein is a VERY passionate work....I find myself responding emotionally to some of the chord changes and solos as much as I do for music which is more accessible (before any gets on my case, I don't much like the concept of "accessibility" it's as though the self-appointed critic is privvy to some information that the cretinous audience is not...but, I don't know how else to refer to music being "listenable"...hmmm, how 'bout using the word "listenable"????) AAAAANNNNNyway.... It's all in the eye or ear of the beholder, I say. Some people don't sympathize with some works that I find to be very moving...and, I'm sure, if you look at all your music collections, you'll find such works in them....about which one or more or your friends will say...."ewwww, that's SO boring". Some examples from my artistic forays: Eric Claption (aka GOD), in a documentary about ELP ( a LONG time ago, on TV) commented that "they don't have any soul....they just try to play as fast as possible". Just about 50% of the first criticisms of "Waiting for Godot" (or a number of absurdist plays) Most of Philip Glass' works. Peter Gabriel (yes, EVEN Peter Gabriel). *I* don't get rap music. and never got disco, and don't particularly see what the big fuss about grunge is. *I* don't like opera...or Wagner or a bunch of "classical" (sic) composers. I DO like Beethoven, and all the other easily liked ones, though....and I'm sure that a bunch of people are bored by him/them...."Been there, done that". AAAANNNYway, just a friendly reminder about the subjective nature of tastes in music/art and all that, I'll get off the soap box now. There's always the possibility of pretentiousness creeping in...fans of Godot who just pretended to like it so they could appear cultured.....To me, it's a very funny, and yes, insightful play, to "warm it up, with baroque ornamentation would be to lose the very essence of it....which reminds me....Many people dilike Frank Lloyd Wright's architecture, claiming it's "cold" (synesthetically speaking) while HE lamented the pervasiveness of "greco-roman garbage"...which, IMnsHO had going for it, only that it was "familiar" and therefore, comforting...like a security blanket. IMO, the only problem with FLW's architecture is that sometimes his roofs leak (which is probably only due to the fact that his aesthetics (i.e., flat roofs) were ahead of his time (i.e., the technology of roofing products). Soap box off. :) "Randy's got this great place in the Hamptons"....and he's looking for a painting......"Yeah, something with alot of mauve in it". paraphrased from "Hannah and Her Sisters" chris@neuron.uchc ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 11:47:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Chris Sampson Subject: Mail problems...was...Glass Jaw Sorry if this is a rerun....there's a problem with delivery to stevev at the U of Oregon....anybody know how to fix it (something about too many hops)..... Somebody, I forgot who, had some opinions about Philip Glass, to which I respond..... I'm not trying to start a fight. It's just that this, entirely valid, opinion is as good a jumping off point as I'll ever get. >I hated the guy from day one. Only on Koinnatzxqquuii (I can't spell it, so >might as well make it worse!) did his music seem to fit anywhere. :) I heard, in order, Einstein....and then, much later, Powaqqatsi (2 of 3, which began with Koyaanisqatsi)....They were VERY different. Next I heard Koyaanisqatsi (and was disappointed, a little). So I went from "hmmmm"-liking him to REALLY liking him ALOT (check out Powaqqatsi if you want to hear "human" sounding music (world beat influenced)). To having to realize that the 3rd work for me to hear was prior to his that I'd heard 2nd.... >Then I heard his "Solo Piano" album. Sold. I finally understood what he was >trying to do. Or maybe that when it was just him and the keyboard a tiny, >little bit of humanity leaked out. The tightly coordinated band he uses does >everything necessary to delete any soul or style from the raw notes. In that >sense, the album is a failure; it sounds like there really is someone human >involved. Okay, here's where I'm NOT trying to start a fight :) I keep hearing people (occasionally, myself included) lament the supposed soul (or lack thereof) in this or that musical/artistic work. And what I keep having to remind them (and, occasionally, myself) is that the sympathetic vibrations that we call "taste" are HIGHLY sujective. Which is to say that, IMnsHO, Einstein is a VERY passionate work....I find myself responding emotionally to some of the chord changes and solos as much as I do for music which is more accessible (before any gets on my case, I don't much like the concept of "accessibility" it's as though the self-appointed critic is privvy to some information that the cretinous audience is not...but, I don't know how else to refer to music being "listenable"...hmmm, how 'bout using the word "listenable"????) AAAAANNNNNyway.... It's all in the eye or ear of the beholder, I say. Some people don't sympathize with some works that I find to be very moving...and, I'm sure, if you look at all your music collections, you'll find such works in them....about which one or more or your friends will say...."ewwww, that's SO boring". Some examples from my artistic forays: Eric Claption (aka GOD), in a documentary about ELP ( a LONG time ago, on TV) commented that "they don't have any soul....they just try to play as fast as possible". Just about 50% of the first criticisms of "Waiting for Godot" (or a number of absurdist plays) Most of Philip Glass' works. Peter Gabriel (yes, EVEN Peter Gabriel). *I* don't get rap music. and never got disco, and don't particularly see what the big fuss about grunge is. *I* don't like opera...or Wagner or a bunch of "classical" (sic) composers. I DO like Beethoven, and all the other easily liked ones, though....and I'm sure that a bunch of people are bored by him/them...."Been there, done that". AAAANNNYway, just a friendly reminder about the subjective nature of tastes in music/art and all that, I'll get off the soap box now. There's always the possibility of pretentiousness creeping in...fans of Godot who just pretended to like it so they could appear cultured.....To me, it's a very funny, and yes, insightful play, to "warm it up, with baroque ornamentation would be to lose the very essence of it....which reminds me....Many people dilike Frank Lloyd Wright's architecture, claiming it's "cold" (synesthetically speaking) while HE lamented the pervasiveness of "greco-roman garbage"...which, IMnsHO had going for it, only that it was "familiar" and therefore, comforting...like a security blanket. IMO, the only problem with FLW's architecture is that sometimes his roofs leak (which is probably only due to the fact that his aesthetics (i.e., flat roofs) were ahead of his time (i.e., the technology of roofing products). Soap box off. :) "Randy's got this great place in the Hamptons"....and he's looking for a painting......"Yeah, something with alot of mauve in it". paraphrased from "Hannah and Her Sisters" chris@neuron.uchc ======================================================================== Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 11:49:42 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Sarah video On Mon, 4 Apr 1994, super dave? wrote: > A friend of mine was telling me that he saw a Sarah video but didn't know the > name of the song. He said it's set in the jungle or something and that she's > naked and covered in mud. I think he's pulling my leg. Is this Sarah, and if > so, what's the name of the song? Since no one has responded to this yet, I guess I will. It was _Into the fire_, and he's not pulling your leg. Pretty wild video, true. Michael ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. 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