Errors-To: ecto-owner@ns1.rutgers.edu Reply-To: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu Sender: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu From: ecto@ns1.rutgers.edu To: ecto-request@ns1.rutgers.edu Bcc: ecto-digest-outbound@ns1.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto #1064 ecto, Number 1064 Saturday, 2 April 1994 Today's Topics: *-----------------* Compulsive music buying pt. n --> oo The foolery of almost-April New here... Re: I went shopping too!!!! not so much to spend... Attempt number 3 Re: I went shopping too!!!! Ecto backlog & subj solution (was Re: Tori and Philip Glass) Re: HugeMusicCollections(tm) the necessity of headphones/philip glass Rude record store clerks (was Re: the necessity of headphones/philip glass) Today's your birthday friend.... ======================================================================== Date: Thu, 31 Mar 94 11:44:31 PST From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Compulsive music buying pt. n --> oo Hi, Good to see ecto back on line. I panicked when I got a service not available bounce the other day... Several topics I want to briefly discuss: a) Tori on Letterman: IMHO she sucked. Sorry, can't blame it on Shaffer. The vocals were dissonant and horrid, and the truncation of the song unjustified. I was surprised everybody else who posted about it liked it. b) Last night I left the office early, because I was expecting a friend from Boston, so I had to clean up, and stopped by Amoeba to check out the new CDs. I walked out an hour later with the following CDs: Possum Dixon-Extra Tracks, Sun 60-Only, Max Q, Nettwerk Sampler III, Armageddon Dildos-Killer Dolls, For Love not Lisa, and M7X-7=49 Of course I haven't listened to them yet, but that's not the point :-) BTW, I payed $17 for the lot. c) I also saw an un-bar-coded Warpaint for $4.95. Any Happy collectors in the Bay area should go for it. That's all for now. Angelos ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 16:38:25 CST From: Subject: The foolery of almost-April I unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your viewpoint) slept through Madonna's appearance on Letterman. All I know is that the promos showed her smoking a large cigar, and a radio precis this morning reported that she got blipped a lot for saying "fuck," to the point that even Letterman told her she was over the top--definitely some kind of milestone, IMHO WIVH. Welcome, Alain, to the diffuse domain of the Ecto community. Mitch ======================================================================== From: Alain.Lachapelle@167-290-33.hexacom.com (Alain Lachapelle) Date: 01 Apr 94 12:25:22 -0500 Subject: New here... > Yes, it's quite vague. Isn't it wonderful?! Then how about my recent CD acquisition? Lydia Domancich, _Au-dela des limites_, France, 1991 Lydia is a composer/keyboardist. Her album focuses on mixes between 21st century technologies and primitve worlds. Except two songs, all the music is instrumental. Mostly rythmic but also including more spacey atmospheres. All bass lines are played by Bernard Paganotti and all drums by Pip Pyle. Lydia's sister, Sophia, plays some very nice piano parts. The music is essentialy of a light approach, very flowing. A tiny little bit resembles a Laurie Anderson song, in the use of ethnic rythms. A very good album, although I reckon pretty hard to find. (A technical note: following my initial post I received two notes by the friendly Rutgers' Postmaster to the effect that the mail was undelivered - which, of course, wasn't) And yes, Gogh Van Go are from Montreal. They made the front covers of the alternative papers some time ago and they have a video or two on the TV music channel Musique Plus. But I've never bothered to check them out - are they any good? Alain al@hexacom.com ============================================== ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Apr 1994 18:38:00 +0200 From: uli@zoodle.robin.de (Ulrich Grepel) Subject: Re: I went shopping too!!!! Here's my list-of-new-stuff-in-the-last-6-or-so-weeks: Tori Amos - after the rain Tori Amos - Cornflake Girl (Maxi) Tori Amos - Cornflake Girl (ltd. edition) Tori Amos - God (promo) Tori Amos - Legend Of A Girl Child Tori Amos - Pretty Good Year (ltd. ed) Tori Amos - Pretty Good Year (maxi) Tori Amos - Savior Beneath These Dirty Sheets Tori Amos - Silent all these years (Maxi, different than the one I already had) Tori Amos - Whole Lotta Teen Spirit Tori Amos - Winter (US-Maxi ltd. ed.) Bjoerk - Big Time Sensuality (US-maxi) Bjoerk - Debut (new ed. incl. Play Dead) BOBO in white wooden houses - Dreams (maxi) Kate Bush - Conversation Disc Series Kate Bush - Eat The Music (Maxi) Kate Bush - Rubberband Girl (Promo) Kate Bush - This Woman's Work Extended Ed. I Kate Bush - This Woman's Work Extended Ed. II Cocteau Twins - Bluebeard (maxi) Cocteau Twins - Four-Calendar Cafe Dob Ruskin - charm away Dob Ruskin - Heart Of Hearts (maxi) Dob Ruskin - the fox (maxi) enya - Oiche Chiun (Silent Night) (Aus-maxi) Eurythmics - Live 1983 - 1989 Everybody's Got To Learn Sometime (actually 2 different copies) Peter Gabriel - Digging in the Dirt (digipack) Peter Gabriel - Laguna Beach Peter Gabriel - Wind Of Stars Heavenly Voices Kristin Hersh - Your Ghost (maxi) Hifi Visionen - Best of Pop-CD2 Hifi Visionen - Pop-CD 6 Highlights CD13 Highlights CD19 Kuschelrock 1 Ladies of the 80's vol. 2 Ashley Maher - Pomegranate Maximum Voice - Acapella Goes Voice Pop Sarah McLachlan - Hold On (Maxi) Sarah McLachlan - Possession (Maxi) heather nova - blow Mike Oldfield - Moonlight Shadow (Maxi) One World One Voice Pop Heaven Pop Vocal Best 100 Artists Vol. 10 Rainbirds - Jamais Jamais (maxi) Rainbirds - Rainbirds rock line (vol. 3) Rock'n'Ride - Dream-Songs Songs of Heaven Alan Stivell - Again Sweet Relief - A Benefit For Victoria Williams tell it thru the song The Atlantic Story The First Ladies The London Starlight Orchestra - One More Night The London Starlight Orchestra & Singers - Two People - 18 Midnight Popsongs To Be With You - The Greatest Hits Of Love Together Forever unplugged Worldstars for Freedom WWF-Project - El Dorado Someone please-please-please-please tell me to stop buying CDs (did I tell you that the above stuff was only the CD part?). Especially sampler CDs featuring Kate (discography ahead...). ARGH! 74 or so CDs (some were double, one triple) in 6 weeks is SURELY MUCH TOOOOOO MUCH. Especially for my bank account... Bye, Uli P.S.: I'm waiting for at least 9 more CDs that should be on their way to me and I already ordered 4 more. Crazy me. -- "Mann, was glaubst'n Du, was das fuer 'ne Rechenleistung is?" - "'n 66'er, _mindestens_" (2*anon, CeBIT '94, SGI booth, Onyx/PowerChallenge presentation) ======================================================================== Subject: not so much to spend... Date: Fri, 01 Apr 94 19:53:14 -0500 From: jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu My CD buying has been up 'n down lately. There was a large bit at the very beginning of February (Mitch Elrod, Tori, Kristen Hersh, and a (used) Prefab Sprout disc I was told I would like (I'm not crazy about it...)). Then I took a break, so far as I can remember. Well, mostly. I bought the domestic God single (hmm...was that the same night as _Hips and Makers_?) and _Fumbling Towards Ecstasy_ after I finally got hooked on my tape and decided I needed the disc. Seems to me I bought something else that day. But what? Oh yeah...I just had to get _Son of Beast_, the new Matthew Sweet EP (I just luv him!). And finally, there was my latest, _The Mask and the Mirror_ and _7=49_. The former is incredible. The latter is defective and needs returned. Grrr. The first track won't play. I've listened to most of the rest of it, though, and it's quite good. My first feeling is that I like the eponymous album better, but that's of course subject to change. I love "Crybaby." So has anyone actually heard _The Belle Stomp_ yet? Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "Everything is still with a fear of never coming out | |Suffering Bad Grammar| Never following through / Never ever finishing | |jeffy@syrinx.umd.edu | What we wanted to do." -- Melissa Ferrick | ======================================================================== Date: Fri, 1 Apr 94 11:39:31 PST From: kyrlidis@templeton.cchem.berkeley.edu (Angelos Kyrlidis) Subject: Attempt number 3 Well, I guess the old saying 'If you don't have something nice to say better say nothing' is being taken as law by the electrons that are distributing mail at rutgers, OR there's something funny happening to the digest. I am certain I sent something to ecto yesterday where I blasted Tori's performance on Letterman (which was attempt number 2- the first being the one that bounced back badly on Tuesday). However it's nowhere to be found in the digest. Did it make it? Please let me know I am not hallucinating. Angelos (maybe ns1 doesn't like me anymore :-( ). ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Fri, 1 Apr 94 06:00:00 BST Subject: Re: I went shopping too!!!! Glenn McDonald sez: > - The Grays; Ro Sham Bo: My most exciting new-band discovery in a good > long while... Amen. Best new band this year, IMHO. > - Tasmin Archer; Shipbuilding: Four Costello covers (don't worry, > nothing like Wendy James; these are songs Elvis Costello actually > *did*), three live versions of _Great Expectations_ tracks, and the > acoustic version of "Sleeping Satellite". A US release that's *better* > than the UK version, for once. Uh, what EXACTLY is wrong with the Wendy James album???? For the most part, it's excellent Elvis material and her voice does work well with it. > - The Chameleons; Free Trade Hall Rehearsal: Why do I keep buying these > Chameleons pseudo-bootlegs? They were an awesome band, and they didn't > make nearly enough albums, but rehearsal tapes aren't going to bring > them back. Sigh. How true. However, one can take solace in the fact that Mark Burgess just released a really great solo album and the Reegs are finally getting it together to be something really substantial on their second album. BTW, any Chameleons fans on Ecto should sign up for CHAMELEONS-L@umuc.umd.edu. > - Yes; Talk: 90125-Big Generator-Talk. If that sounds good, you'll like > this. If you hated the other two, don't bother. If you hated the other two, you'd probably be more interested in the "An Evening of Yes Music Plus" album from the ABWH tour that just came out. +########################################################################+ +###+ Paul Cohen, Philadelphia, PA +###+ +########################################################################+ +###+ P.COHEN@genie.geis.com +###+ PMCOHEN@aol.com +###+ +###+ 70703.3126@compuserve.com +###+ PMCOHEN@delphi.com +###+ +########################################################################+ ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 05:58:42 -0700 From: "Alex Gibbs" Subject: Ecto backlog & subj solution (was Re: Tori and Philip Glass) ksilver@zeus.st.3com.com (Keith Silver): > Hmm, what is the proper neticut for responding to a part of a message where > the subject of the original message no longer applies? Leave the subject > alone or update it to something more appropriate? How about: > "Laurie Anderson + Lou Reed was Tori and Philip Glass" This relates to something I've been meaning to post about for a while: I know I am far from being the only one who often falls behind in ecto. I know some don't have this problem but some end up having to unsubscribe because of it, which I think is a shame. Most know this. (Before anyone gets uneasy, I'm not going to suggest topic limits or anything like that. I like the diversity and have written about many different things myself.) Sometimes I *do* read everything, but I usually can't. I and others end up browsing and skipping much of the time in order to keep up. The problem is that it's often hard to quickly figure out which posts are of interest to me (or contain something of interst) and which aren't. This results in a lot of time spent browsing that could be spent actually reading what inteterests me. It also means that I miss things of interst to me. (Sure I'd love to read most everything but I and others simply can't.) I think the easiest way that ecto posters can help out their fellow ectophile backlog sufferers is to use subject lines more effectively, much as is often done in net news. The following are *suggestions* only, of course, but I really think they would help many people in different ways, not just those with backlog problems. Many people already do these things in fact; I'm just pointing them out. 1. Informative and descriptive subjects about the post: A really good subject line makes it much easier for people to determine if a post is something that they want or have time to read. It also makes it much easier to find old posts. Hopefully the subject would describe the main/important topic(s) written about in the post. I know some people can't change their subject line once they've started writing (I used to have that problem). In that case a little forethought might help the rest of us. Posts with subjects like "Just stuff" or "Random thoughts" are okay if you *really* mean it, but you risk being skipped over by someone who really might have been interested. Subjects like "Lots of things" are harder to deal with; the reader has no clue what might be in there. Might I humbly suggest listing at least some of the important topics in the subject *or* the following as an alternative. 2. Splitting long posts into easier to describe posts: The best form of this, IMO, is one post per topic, which is the usual in net news. Alternately, this could mean making a few posts, each containing related topics, instead of one long post. It could even mean splitting a long post into a few posts with subjects that list the topics in that particular post. 3. When replying to a post, use the same subject: Appending "Re:" to the subject is nice and is done automatically for most people. In that way "threads" of a topic are easier to follow or to skip. However... 4. Change reply subjects when the original subject no longer applies. As many know, some common conventions are: Subject: Kate pregnant (was Re: Kate working w/ others) Subject: Kate pregnant (was: Re: Kate working w/ others) Subject: Kate pregnant (was Re: Kate working...) That's all I can think of now. I think these things would benefit digest and loose mail readers alike. Of course I welcome thoughts. Remember they're just improvement suggestions, not proprosed rules. Number 2 (splitting up posts) may be the most controversial because it's easier to reply to a whole digest at once and some people may have to pay for each message they send (is this really done still?). I understand and it's just a suggestion. For digest readers, the main effect of #2 would be more divisions in the digest with more informative subjects about them. For loose mail readers this does mean a greater number of messages *but* at least you'll have a better idea what's in them and can see quickly what is interesting to you. I don't think it would mean a much greater size (in bytes), although the headers would be repeated. (Hopefully none of this makes things harder on Jessica in any way but I don't know.) On a side note: I can also see that the volume of ecto discussion may be sort of self-limiting. The larger the volume, the less time people have to post if they are actually reading things. When the volume is lower then people have more time to post. If people can better find what they are interested in then the ecto volume may go up because they can get through ecto faster and write themselves. This also means that more things might be discussed. Think of all the posts many of you never made because you didn't have the time and you put it off until later. /-\ |_ |= >< arg@kilimanjaro.opt-sci.arizona.edu (MST=GMT-7) "Kindness kindles kindness in kind." -- me, I think "The quality of TV is not strained, it dropeth as the gentle ratings dropeth to a very tiny percentage share, and, lo, tis gone. Of course Shakespeare would have loved your rating system; 12th Night would have been lucky to have lasted one." -- Max Headrom, last Max Headroom TV episode ======================================================================== From: p.cohen@genie.geis.com Date: Fri, 1 Apr 94 01:14:00 BST Subject: Re: HugeMusicCollections(tm) Hmmm, I guess with 2300 CDs and 2500 LPs, I qualify for this category. Lets see, every week I pick a 30 CD sampling to bring to work with me to listen to at work and every night I throw 5 CDs in the ol' changer for my evening's listening pleasure. I'm afraid I don't listen to the vinyl as much as I used to. Lazy, I guess. CDs are sooooooooo much easier. The new arrivals do get alot more play, however. +########################################################################+ +###+ Paul Cohen, Philadelphia, PA +###+ +########################################################################+ +###+ P.COHEN@genie.geis.com +###+ PMCOHEN@aol.com +###+ +###+ 70703.3126@compuserve.com +###+ PMCOHEN@delphi.com +###+ +########################################################################+ ======================================================================== From: "Bradley N. Hutchinson" Subject: the necessity of headphones/philip glass Date: Sat, 2 Apr 94 11:46:52 EST Chris Sampson wrote (about _Einstein on the Beach_) > Not that it's boring, but something about it "facilitates" > concentration....it's almost mantric. > > Anyway, Glenn.....My advice is to let Georgia listen to > it a coupla > more times, and if she doesn't like it....well, get a new > girlfriend > {{{{{JUST KIDDING}}}}}. > Well, I've listened to this since I HAD to listen to it in high school (on a scratchy album copy) and pretended to like it because. . . well, i was supposed to like it wasn't I? And, when I went to college I forgot about Philip Glass entirely until he did _Songs From Liquid Days_ which I bought, fell for and was seriously harrassed by my Dead Head (that's greatful not stupid) housemates threatened to light my feet when I fell asleep if I played it any more. So,I went out and bought _glassworks_ and that was it, I was addicted. FASTFORWARD bunches of years. For Christmas Jill bought me EOtB and the record store guy (the other kind of dead head, one who compared Jane Siberry to Joan Baez????) told her it was a waste of money to buy 'that'. She tends to agree--"Philip Glasss is irritating"--but loves me enough to buy it with the warning-"only to be played on headphones or when I'm out of the house." I guess I'm trying to say that Philip Glass is an aquired taste? He's worth it even if you have to wait ten years (OK,sometimes more than ten) to fall for the music! I too use the music to concentrate. I really like EotB, _1000 airplanes on the roof_, _Passages_the album with Ravi Shankar, _Koyaanisqatsi_ and _The Low Symphony_ based on the Bowie album. These are only current favorites. Also, I prefer the new EotB over the old. So, keep the girlfriend AND the CD. Just get headphones. brad -- bhutchin@vdoe386.vak12ed.edu There's some real people in the world and some who are pretend. --Robyn Hitchock ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Apr 1994 12:09:01 -0800 (PST) From: Emily Breed Subject: Rude record store clerks (was Re: the necessity of headphones/philip glass) On Sat, 2 Apr 1994, Bradley N. Hutchinson wrote: > For Christmas Jill bought me EOtB and the record store guy > (the other kind of dead head, one who compared Jane Siberry to Joan Baez????) > told her it was a waste of money to buy 'that'. Gaaaaahhhhhhh. I hate it when record store clerks make this kind of comment about whatever I happen to be buying. There are comments that are useful, imho, like "You know, that's one of 's weaker albums; you might want to try " or "Oh, if you like , you'd probably be interested in ." But an unadorned comment like "it's a waste of money to buy that" really ticks me off. Of course, I'm the sort who's started buying most things from CDC because I've gotten fed up with dealing with the 'tude problems of the record store clerks around here... (Me, opinionated? Naah...) Speaking of CDC, I got Mitch Elrod's cd in my recent order from them, and I *love* it. I wouldn't say it's *like* Adrian Belew, but a lot of the things I like about Belew's work I like about Elrod's cd. Does anyone know what, if anything, he's working on or planning for the future? -- Emily (it must be spring - my lovebirds are laying eggs! Yay!) ======================================================================== Date: Sat, 2 Apr 94 15:43:26 EST From: WretchAwry Subject: Today's your birthday friend.... i*i*i*i*i*i *************** ***HAPPY******* ********BIRTHDAY*** ******************* ***** Christian ***** ***** Walters ***** *********************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- (No, Klaus didn't have this one on his list, so I took it upon myself :-)) While I'm at it, HAPPY BIRTHDAY yesterday to the album _Warpaint_ (release date was April 1, 1991), and HAPPY BIRTHDAY to Happy and Kevin's cat Shorty! Vickie ======================================================================== The ecto archives are on hardees.rutgers.edu in ~ftp/pub/hr. There is an INDEX file explaining what is where. Feel free to send me things you'd like to have added. -- jessica (jessica@ns1.rutgers.edu)